The Prime Ministers of Wales (part of England for over 700 years), Scotland (united with England for over 350 years) and Northern Ireland (united with England for over 500 years) have secided to hold secession referendums, pleading their people to vote for the dissolution of the United Kingsom and independence of these member-states, with possible EU and NATO membership prospects. This is an unprecedented crisis, not seen even during periods of famine, continental blockades and world wars. Not even Napoleon succeeded at what London did to its kingdoms in less than a decade.I only see two options for the Westminster parliament: lose all determination and dissolve the United Kingdom, OR join / start a war to prolong the status quo.Deep inside these secession moves, it is a very ingrained belief that London is either unwilling or uncapable of doing any good for its own citizens anymore. Sadly, the proofs are abundant, considering the UK has arrested tens of thousands of people over internet posts, a number which dictatorships could never dream of reaching. The dissolution of the United Kingdom is of great interest to this forum, since it means the final and definite end of the Enlightenment, which very much started in the english and scottish masonic lodges.For me, the more likely scenario is that the UK will try to regain determination, join a war, try a draft (emboldenee by all its censorship, it will be blind to how much people hate London), and in doing so will create a class of angry organized young men with military training, nothing to lose, and no loyalty to those they are supposed to die for. This is exactly how the Irish Independence began.Hell, the splitting of the kingdoms might be the beginning. We might see England itself balkanize into Northumbria, Chester, West & East Shire and Anglia, considering how different the reality of London is to cities even an hour drive away from it.Brit anons, can you explain this to us?
>>543506829the reason this is happening, is because the english are unlikeable cuntsI pity everyone that needs to live on an island with them
>>543506829Nothing is going to happen because the whole British economy is based in London and some oil rigs, and scot boomers don't wanna lose their pensions
>>543506829The Brits took part in murdering 100,000s of civilians in Gaza in broad daylight. They will absolutely exterminate Welsh, Scottish, and Irish people if they think it will make them safer or feel better and if their Israeli bosses allow it.
>>543506829>The Prime Ministers of WalesNo such thing. You can't even get that right, why would I read the rest of your post?
>>543507204I got it from reading BBC.Westminster coming to an end, say Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish leaders https://share.google/o5HNFj7JzssO7OHXM
>russia pushing Ukraine’s shit in>everyone realizes EU is just a little niggerloving bitch>why are we avoiding war again
>>543507329>leadersTheir title is "first minister">share.googleFaggot.>Westminster coming to an end, say Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish leaders>Independence parties say that independence is just around the cornerThis isn't even a story here.>NIBound by the GFA>ScotlandHad an independence referendum a decade ago, and voted to stay>WalesHas absolutely no supportLike I said, you can't even get the basics right rendering your entire analysis pointless to even read.
>>543506829Its a good thing for us English. The british union state which foreigners probably don't realise is run almost entirely by foreigners, mainly jocks and irish, hate the English and would ideally like them to die so they can inherit the magic soil and rule over the ashes. They'll never give the English a vote to leave the union, so having the Scotts and Welsh leave will end the union by proxy; a perfect outcome for the English and England. Scotland can then rejoin the EU which has always been their dream, and the Welsh can get the hard border they always wanted. The irish can go home and the English can cut their welfare bill in half, take back their occupied parliament and finally stop the unions suicidal infinite migration project.
>>543506829>start a war to prolong the status quo.there is never going to be a war about this lol. England will get 5x richer if wales/NI and scotland suddenly leave. I've lived in both wales, NI and scotland as well as england. Wales and NI revolve completely around how much gibs they receive. >>543507064this. Wales and NI are complete gibstates. ROI would have a hard time incorporating NI financially at the moment. Scotland has some gas but they are retarded and most of their money comes from london and or big things being run by london. >>543507068lmfao imagine being this deluded, oh wait, you're irish, never mind.
>flood society with browns>scotland is seething because they don't have ENOUGH browns and wants to leave and suck german dickOkay good bitchEngland people should overthrow the """"king"""" and institute ingsoc and TND.
>>543506829https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiiVFaTeqkM
>>543506984Go get drafted to fight in urkaine already.
>>543506829i find it very funny how months of bongs calling for russian balkanization in the end turned out to be projection about the troubles that were brewing back home.
>>543506984welsh people couldn't manage a bowl of fucking porridgehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv3psegvuu8
>>543507929this is a falseflagging englishthe entire thread will be posters like thatthey just confirm what I said in the first postutter unlikeable lying inbred cunts
Gott strafe England
>>543506829Meh I remember lots of talking in 2014 and nothing happened, I doubt they can envision themselves outside the UK
>>543506984Its the other way around. Historically England was much wealthier, civilised, and more successful and developed than the other countries, and all they have is resentment and an inferiority complex. Every single metric you see with the UK is simply Englands higher score being reduced by our neighbours lower grades. They're just marxist decolonisation activists. They are already captured by the EUs regionalisation agenda.
>>543507532you're on the precipice of functional collapse.- Scotland will eventually break away- England wear that fkn stGeorge(palestinain) cross hoping Scots and Welsh find it sexy.Plaid should go back to burning English holiday homes.NI will eventually build stronger ties with ROI.UK should break up - it's the logical conclusion to Brexit.
>>543508151Btw anyone reading this thread and seeing this seething kraut, this is the anon that used to make the "America is German" threads,(and got destroyed in) easily identifiable by his inability to use caps-lock and this weird way of writing in short sentences. Our superiority over Germans, including in America, absolutely crushes him to the point he has to go around any thread that is related to Britain or America and stir shit up about the English.Completely rent-free cultural and demographic dominance.
>>543506829Hope they do something we can laugh at them when they come crying back to daddies wallet.
>>543508228what about Wales?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNpUYzMSeAs
>>543508501anyone knows the Scots contribution to european civilizationonly an english has to lie about itthey cant help themselves
>>543508711I already told you I didnt make those threadsbut yeah I like to go around and feast on the demise of the englisha guilty pleasure
>>543509051Scots haven'tt contributed as much as England, they just had a brief period of success due to a tax system they had that was better. Scotland is a backward economy with rampand alcoholism and low education standards. It was England was the economic centre of these islands and one of Europes top economies. Even the founding of America was English enterprise.
>>543509179god, you really sound more indian the more I read your shit
>>543509051Adam Smith was a scottish.The industrial revolution was kickstarted by the scottish.The English like to complain about the scottish being welfare queens, but Scotland is just the head of the curve. The entire country is now made of welfare queens.
>>543508278yea Welsh people do that a lothttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iln8cdRWsME
>>543509146It was 100% you know made them.Of course the German can only get please in hoping misfortune on others. Yet look around your own country, lower birthrates than anyone, and almost no innovation into future technologies. You're living off a dying automobile industry. We are far more resilient than you, economically and individually. You'd never find English going around saying "My guilty pleasure is hoping the the demise of Germany". You are the embodiment of weakness, hence you live on this site desperately hoping we will be failures like you are, but it won't happen.
>>543508228Shalom rabbi
If there were referendums for that everyone would just vote to stay in the union, even the Scotts.
>>543507068>Not the heckin' brown people!
>>543509179>>543509051>>543508501Please read the following book if you want to insult Scotland:https://www.amazon.com.br/How-Scots-Invented-Modern-World/dp/0609809997Scotland is hardly the "welfare queen" you try to portray them as. Somehow, urbanites in London tried to brainwash that the poor suburban londonites and the scottish are alike.>Who formed the first literate society? Who invented our modern ideas of democracy and free market capitalism? The Scots. As historian and author Arthur Herman reveals, in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries Scotland made crucial contributions to science, philosophy, literature, education, medicine, commerce, and politics--contributions that have formed and nurtured the modern West ever since.>How the Scots Invented the Modern World reveals how Scottish genius for creating the basic ideas and institutions of modern life stamped the lives of a series of remarkable historical figures, from James Watt and Adam Smith to Andrew Carnegie and Arthur Conan Doyle, and how Scottish heroes continue to inspire our contemporary culture, from William "Braveheart" Wallace to James Bond.English exceptionalism is hardly new, and is as historically inaccurate today as it always was.
>>543506829???The English are all muslim now kek
>>543509239You already tried this tactic a few days ago, and its retarded.> Hurr durr I have no response so I'll just say you are IndianThe irony is that Germans are the only people in Europe that are similar to Indians - you're both extremely collectivist, and defensive over your national identity to the point you won't even tolerate minor criticisms of Germans that are at fault for things. This is identical to Indians. No one in Europe is as far removed from Indian traits as we are. We are the most individualistic and liberty minded, unlike you.
>>543507681And British citizenship would mean nothing.
>>543509364no I didnt make themand how are you more reslienthahahayou delusional cuntall your posts are comical
>>543509453I don't need to read it, I know the things Scotland has invented, and they haven't invented as much as us, and like I said, they had a successful period due to certain tax laws related to investing, and that era is long long gone. If you think Scotland is anywhere near one of the top economies in Europe you are fucking stupid beyond belief.
>>543509498says the guy that shits up every thread with his english ethnocetric bullshitall while being an indian
>>543509598We were a Germanic country long before Germany ever existed newfag.
Is their chief grievance they want more brown cock to suck? Cause that seems to be all those "nationalist" parties want.
>>543509614you said historically, now you talk about currentlyyoure as confused as an indianyou cant hold a thought
>>543509598> How are you more resilientLook at your own comments retard. You're the one on here desperately wanting England to fail while we don't even think about you.
>>543507068Pipe down Shamus. We have about 6 million munts that will soon need a home. Free Palestine? Cheers mate, here you go
>>543509691You got sold for Katy Perry.
>>543509647ok, Rasheed
Britain was dead at the end of ww2, just a corpse propped upright with rigormortis giving the illusion of life. Suez knocked the body over and we have been rotting ever since. Britain in its current state exists only as a charity case of the USA, who were too gentlemenly to utterly humiliate us, so let us have this tiny kingdom. The moment we decided to give even mild criticism of Israel and we have found out our privledged position can be dismantled and taken away. We are just a rock in the atlantic.
>>543506829Let them break off and then push all the muslims and jeets into the "nationalist" countries.They hate the english, but love the browns
>>543506829nothing ever happens
>>543509712Im just enjoying your demise, what is even your argument you are trying to make?
>>543507204>The Prime Ministers of Wales
>>543506829There is no countries anymore, just economic zones ruled in the shadows by corporations, and this whole area is already under control. This is nothing.
You can tell these threads are made by malding globos who have sympathies toward Scots, Irish or the Welsh. I do want them to secede eventually but never to join the EU, I hope that shithole collapses
>>543509645Literal projection. The last thread you were in was you going off on one because I merely mentioned - in an 'Arnold Schwarzenegger for president' thread that he was Mr Screw Your Freedoms vax pusher and Public Private Patnership conman, and you spent 6 hours arguing over it, as you can't tolerate anyone mentioning anything about Germans, even though he is a piece of shit, and a shitlib on most issues.>>543509703Dude you're not smart enough to try and pick apart what I have said. Scotland is a fucking shithole that is dependent on English taxpayers and has no economy outside the shit we have created there like BAE Systems and Babcock ship building. We are hundreds years removed from the brief period Scotland was a significant economy - per capita btw.
>>543509805>2 more weekst.Hitler
For those wondering the macaconigger is a known /chug/ger seething bcs PUCCIA lost Lyman and an strategic bomber.Now see how the zhills try to pretend this is not the case.
>>543509772America is also dead.I think that global capital structures, instantaneous global communications networks, mass media, world democracy, and world fiat currency, and other things like that, have redefined what it means to be a country. So someone like epstein and his cronies that maybe control a few banks and big media companies in a country can basically run it fairly easily in terms of controlling its elections and public discourse. Add in a couple big influencers and it should be fairly easy for small groups to use the edifices of democracy, banks, and media to control large countries, even without ever stepping foot in them. Just look at these recent AIPAC primaries in the US like the one that ousted Massie. If you have infinite money and free flow of capital and media control, you can basically just control elections and public discourse from far overseas.
>>543509805>Im just enjoying your demiseGet a load of this everyone. Imagine how much of a failure this kraut is in life that he hunts around /pol/ looking for threads to tee off this level of resentment. We have no demise coming, loser. Our country is older and more significant than yours, and our diaspora more successful than your - your diaspora don't even speak German lol; most of the speak English and live under English Common Law - the total culture win over Germans.
Bomb England.
>>543509883>he again begins to smear Schwarzenegger over the vaxx, even though everyone was pushing it, including Trumpthe eternal antigerman seethe in this shitskin>>543509883you specifically said historicallythe historical scottish success is outstanding and only a malding shitskin like you would deny ityoure very easy to pick apart, because youre a stupid indian
>>543509843fun fact: everyone in Wales is called Jones
>>543509614Let me guess, Wales and Northern Ireland are also useless?The author admits that Scotland is the poorest european economy. But guess what, they are and always were attached to you. I guess you were very happy to use their shores, natural resources, inventors and population, and you were very happy to be the global hegemon while they were part of the union. But suddenly, you don't want them anymore because they take in more tax money that their regional denominations.I'm not going to join the Scotland is Useless debate. Too much has been spoken about it back in 2014.But Scotland has been part of the UK for more than 300 years, and before they were off and on. England wouldn't be England without the scottish. It is very easy to pick at census and economic data (in which all English cities are poorer than Alabama, a data point you'd very much like to ignore), and say that everything outside London is useless.In reality, you are a 3rd-world country attached to London. And whenever I see English complain about Scotland, it sounds like Colombians complaining about Ecuador, or Argentinians about Bolivians.For outsiders, you are all poor and in a strong, irreversible downward thrust.I'll side with the german on this one. Making judgement of Scotland due to geographic net contribution data is myopic, historically blind and comes from a place of sheer materialistic ignorance.
>>543506829I don’t think about brazil at all.
>>543510022as I said, its a guitly pleasureand the english have no "diaspora", because theyre not even a real thingthe english are white trash mystery meat, well, in your case youre indian
>>543506829Lmfao wales will be a damn shit hole if it leaves the uk. I might even move back if theyll give me a flat
>>543510101Me neither. Our apeland isn't even part of western civilization. Whatever happens here is inconsequential. Brazil might as well be a parallel dimension.We'll be on the beach playing kickball while you fight a world war.It is that level of bizarre incongruence.
I would like to move to England. But I would want them to make a fortress which is impregnable to global capital. So that would probably mean an emphasis on localism. The less literate the populace is, the less susceptible it is to global propaganda campaigns. And consumer goods should be local. Economic structures should be local, because big huge companies are a massive vulnerability point. If you have a big huge grocery chain then it just takes one bad actor to get in and then they control your food. Same with all kinds of media.
i'm scottish and would be happy to see independence within the next decadejust look how insufferable the english posters in this thread are, and then imagine having to share a country with those cunts
>>543510073You're talking about that Arnie thread, but the thread was about Arnie explicitly that is why everyone was talking about him, and nearly everyone had the same opinion, that he betrayed his fanbase by pushing the vax. You couldn't even handle it as you think Arnies Hollywood characters are his real persona.>you specifically said historicallyEngland was always wealthier and more successful than Scotland. Then Scotland became bankrupt and begged for the Union, and inside of the British system for a short time due to some tax laws, had decent success. They have never been equal to us in any area at all, and now they're in terminal decline.You know nothing so all you can do is try these desperate semantic arguments.Historically England has always been a major European economy. Scotland hasn't. Scotland only had some success tied to Britain ie England.
>>543510268that would mean Scotland wouldn't share a country with Wales either.
>>543506829easythe richoids are traitors and are pissed off about what little brexit seperations from the eu were done and are no longer willing to wait for westminster's slow boil rollbackso now they are bandying about the idea of leaving the uk to directly join the euwe really need to break out the razor again, a bit of rope anything! the nobles have forgot their fucking place again
>>543510268It is a bit comical that the English are outright stating they wish they could expel the scots like they are muslim immigrants, while all of England (except London) is poorer than the poorest american state.This is a very blackpilling thread. No one hates Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland more than the English.All of England (except London) has the GDP per capita of a 3rd-world country. You might be looking at York or Edimburgh, it is all within the same standard deviation of 3rd-worldlyness.
>>543510205>and the english have no "diaspora", because theyre not even a real thingWe have a larger diaspora than you, including America a nation founded by English. Far from not being a 'real thing' we're the most significant European population of the last 400 years, hence Britain then America were the 2 consecutive world powers. Germany never was.
>>543510093Lmfao why did he just stand there? Fuck sake worra mong
>>543510268https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCtPBFHKSNg
>>543510268I grew up with a Scotsman
>>543510392There is no expulsion. The concept of Britain is something imposed on England and has bled English taxpayers dry not the other way around. Breaking up Britain simply allows England to return to being a sovereign rightwing nation, surrounded by marxist run countries. Everyone gets hyped up about Britain breaking up then as soon as they see the English are happy about it, they get pissed off, just showing that they only want it to happen to punish English people when in reality it is our freedom.
>>543510321so? i like italians and lots of other nationalities. doesn't mean i want to share a country with them
>>543509530Indeed.
>>543510246That video is AI or edited. No woman can do any of this
>>543510488Skinny jeans have never looked so uncomfortable
>>543510537>Breaking up Britain simply allows England to return to being a sovereign rightwing nationFull of global capital and media and consumer goods
>>543510664Apparently, England was a sovereign rightwing nation before the war of Spanish Succession, I guess.After breaking up from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, they'll be rattling about how vexxing it is to share London with Northumbria, and want York and Nottingham to secede.You can't really breakdown countries as voting blocs. That is the same ignorance displayed by the brazilians here who think the Left only wins because of poor states.
>>543510664Apparently, England was a sovereign rightwing nation before the war of Spanish Succession, I guess.After breaking up from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, they'll be rattling about how vexxing it is to share London with Northumbria, and want York and Nottingham to secede.You can't really breakdown countries as voting blocs. That is the same ignorance displayed by the brazilians here who think the Left only wins because of poor states.I don't see how losing near half your land and sea territories is a win, just because the net contribution of the lost region is negative (like in most English territory).
All i hear here is rather vulgar foreigners seething at the English, yet most of what you despise us for is the acts of the british political union, which is an entirely foreign enterprise with hardly any English people involved. A dissolution of the british political union would be in everyones interest. I don't understand why that appears to be so controversial. Nobody is proposing war, just a removal of all post 1948 nationality act citizenships, and a return to 4 sovereign nations with their own governance, borders, and books to balance.
>>543511312>I don't see how losing near half your land and sea territories is a win, just because the net contribution of the lost region is negative (like in most English territory).Mainly because it has nothing to do with material gain or financial prospect. Its motivation is entirely ideological. While the foreign world sees britain as a nationality, a single nation and one type of person, we never had and never will. We are 3 separate nationalities, separate distinct people with separate characteristics.
>>543511312England is a conservative country. We also have a much better economy for high end technology and sciences, and are one of the most innovative economies in the world and learders in ai etc. Suddenly you're trying to throw doubt on the idea of England getting its freedom back. If these marxists want to dissolve Britain then so be it, we'll be fine. Its entirely their choice.As for Northumbria, York and Nottingham seceding, you fundamentally don't understand how cohesive England is as a country.
>>543511546>As for Northumbria, York and Nottingham seceding, you fundamentally don't understand how cohesive England is as a countryIt is not looking very cohesive when every other day another place in England votes that they want to break apart because they disagree with something.https://www.euronews.com/2026/09/16/english-village-votes-to-secede-from-uk-over-asylum-centre-planBalkanization is a slippery slope, anon. As much as I like the United Kingdom, I am rooting for you to be the sacrificial lamb so western civilization can heal from the evil that first crawled its way out of you, and fooled the world that they need to have a democracy (rule by those who bless Israel) if they want to have basic property rights and prosperity.Ultimately, maybe I am biased because I do want to see you have a very brutal and violent collapse, so that the flames of vengeance of the british people tearing down the dream of the United Kingdom inspires violence all over the world. I see secession as a slippery slope that will ultimately end with your country breaking apart into the kingdoms of the viking invasions.I am not rooting for the best for you. But it is nothing personal, I just believe that the healing of the West needs to be begin somewhere. And Britain is the best possible place.
>>543506829They hate Christ and love Mohammed, then they have the gall to wonder why the UK is a hellhole.
>>543508228Gott strafe England
Oil price is high so Scots want independence again. This a consequence of the Iran war.We've been through this before in the 1970s (Yom Kippur) and 2000s (Iraq).The only reason the 2014 referendum failed is that the oil price crashed that year. If it had been held 5 years earlier Scotland would be independent now.Wales is too small for independence. Surely Welsh leaders understand this? Is their plan to join with Ireland/Scotland?A united Ireland would be a good thing if it can happen peacefully, however there's still too much toxicity between the two communities for that. It was only 30 years ago that they were killing each other. We don't need the same shit starting up again.
>>543511796They're not voting for secession, they're larping in protest to the current British government. A sovereign England means Restore England would take over England and have remigration. England is never going to break up. We're not a fake country like Germany that was stitched together in 1871. Even before England unified it was always going to unify and had a common language and culture.
>>543506829Without a war and conscription, the breakup of the UK is not going to be the end of the "Enlightenment"Both right wing and leftwing nationalists (and I use that term loosely for lefties) in the celtic nations support independence. We'll still be grappling with this bullshit after. However, seeing that they would be smaller states with less population, politics could shift much faster. One thing it would do is open up an environment were real ethnic nationalists within the celtic nations have a more defined place in. Celtic nationalism is laser focused on independence. It allows for leftists to take an anti-imperialist, anti-colonialist grift. That would be gone. Celtic nationalism would then have to define it's self much more clearly
>>543506829>>543507329lmao>source: separatist politician claims they will definitely become independent this time 2 more weeks broYou absolute mong for taking this seriously jesus fucking christ
>>543512144I don't think separatism is a normal political development, even if symbolic. Just like a divorce is not part of a relationship.Separatism just sounds like 'political solutions won't happen, we give up'.
>>543510268Yes it's a shameful display. Every single time
>>543512476It depends on the states. In Europe, if the states overlap with ethnic groups, then it's a natural development. When the empire runs out of steam and declines, then it follows that those states with a different ethnic makeup and history even if shared for some time will separate in the end. England had the power to maintain the union. It doesn't anymore. It's just another state now
>>543512476>>543512769But if you mean isolationism, then yes you would be correct. After separation, these states would still work together I would imagine. Why wouldn't they?
>>543506829>>543506829>the UK is collapsing and you can't stop it.No it isntNI might become part of Ireland in my lifetime.Scottish independence is less likely but not without plausibility in a few decades.Zero chance of Welsh independence in my lifetimeWhy is a Brazilian, who obviously has no understanding of the UK, shilling for the breakup of the UK?
>>543506829Their game is you rise up against the government and the un gets to take over, di you forget what they all signed after covid-19?
>>543506829>have decided to hold secession referendumsNo they haven't. They signed a meaningless declaration a week or two a go. They didn't even sign the declaration as first ministers. They signed it as party leaders.Cant speak for Wales ot NI, but Its already been forgotten about in ScotlandLast referendum was Scotland 2014 and independence was rejected
