>US rates line just as you like goes upis US going to collapse before the end of the year lol
Zoom out 120 years the highest high was like 13.5 percent and that was when everyone was increasing and the USA had no brakes.
>>543515383Do you think that makes you safer? Hmm
>>543515383you really don't know how this works, do you?
>>543515383Oh noes!
>>543515515The zoom out rhetoric doesn’t work here. Back when the rates were 13.5% US debt was less than $1T. If we return anywhere near 10% with our current debt the country will, in effect, be insolvent.
Can you define the word collapse for me?People toss around this word: "Collapse" as a modifier for a country as: "$country is going to collapse". But how would we chart this mathematically so that the math model returns true during the collapse, but returns false when there isn't a collapse? And as always, honest question wanting honest answer.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECcqqPN1EXkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orxUXa5ypFw&t=260https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M6-OEEzuNg
>>543515383>is US going to collapse(((They))) have a few more rounds of money printing left in em.
>lol
>>543515383who gives a shitthis is much more interesting
>>543515740>6 month bondY I K E S
>>543515645>Just two more % bro trust me
>>543515515>>543515623>this COPE againWhat was the cost of servicing the debt in 1981 and how does it compare to the cost of servicing the debt today?
Give me cash right now I'll give it to you back plus 6% in six months.None of you dumbasses understands why a yield curve inversion, short term rates of return on usd jewish mobgrinder masonrybottlecaps niggercoupons briefly surpassing Yield on the long term variations on the same. Kulaks in Russia evolved into the term Colleagues in the USA. The interpretation of the six month spike yield curve inversion, is that Jewish Bottlecap money is no longer in style, and to prevent total loss of the entire Kid Killing Christian State, they're going to raise interest rates and that will cause substantial turmoil in the markets, because the entire US economy is basically a MLM Ponzi now with more more suckers left to hang paper against.The Jewish USA and all the Centi-Trillionaires in it, is free to be revealed as a Nigger at a gas station trying to pass fake $20 bills and an eagle eyed cashier saying this bill don't look rite.
>>543515871It’s pretty simple math. The US is constantly rolling its debt and as rates rise the cost to service those debts rises. 10% of $50T is $5T. Last year the federal government took in about $5T. When the cost to services those debts rises to the point that it exceeds the federal governments income, the USD quite literally collapses.
>>543515383now also consider the entire world watching the USA use the financial system as a weapon to deny Iran access to funds, everyone will be making plans to disengage from the US financial system in the near future.The USA is cooked, all thanks to these wack job christian nationalist terrorists (and Israel).I'm glad. That means plenty of opportunity to kill Trump voters before I die.
>Give me cash right now, I'll give it back to you plus six percent in six months.Literally fake news nothing to see here, move along.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYMjvXdrZIw
A house is like 2000 years worth of minimum wage labor. These Kid Killers at Church, Synagouge and the Central Government are absolutely Baffled that there's a problem.Stop being lazy and get a job at the widget factory.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX7jgkJ_cFIWe are baffled. BAFFLED I say. Your mouth is moving, but I can't understand a single word you are saying.
>>543515623> doesn’t understand debt-to-gdp ratioNgmi
>>543516124Based
>>543515383lole
>>543516158Based
>>543516158They've already been doing that when we tried to pull that shit with Russia at the start of the Ukraine war. This just gives them more encouragement.
>>543516124still not how it works.
>>543515383Its the banks you idiot. You have to physically run that up with futures
>>543515645>/pol/ - money is fake and gay>also /pol/ THE FAKE AND GAY MONEY ITS OVER WHAT THE FUUUUUUUCKhmm
>>543516416So what's your position here - is the money fake and gay or not?
>>543515383Ohnonono line go up bros, our response
>>543515383The stock market is at ATH. America is winning. You lost, tranny
>>543516531Poverty...
>>543515515youre right which is why they'll have a huge war now that destroys all competing economies so we can mirror this era of economic boom. otherwise USA = COOKED
>>543515623So why is Bessent trying and failing to lower it if it isnt a problem
>shills dont know it was 18% in the 1980s and the USA survived just fine
1) "money" is created on a fractional-ized basis, but has no intrinsic value. Rather, the federal reserve act of 1913 allows the Federal Reserve to create a money substitute which circulates the same as "real" money. The FRA makes the us citizens responsible for the "repayment" of all debts accruing from the use of these instruments.2) Usury, or interest, is charged along the way. The owners of the Fed receive a cut of this interest. What is represented, of course, is the blood, sweat and energy of those so yoked. Which would be you, of course.3) Thus, there is no issue with deficits and deficit spending, as your Mr. Cheney pronounced to great dismay. Of what difference if the debt is 15 trillion or 150 trillion...only the interest has to be paid...not the principal...THERE IS NO PRINCIPAL!It could not, by definition EVER be repaid...by design.
>>543515383 <---1 pbtid Russia flag>US going to collapseWhen the global debt market implodes, all 160 nations worldwide go with it>>543516314and of course this
>>543516657Oh really? What was the cost of servicing the enormous U.S debt at 18% in the 1980s?
>>543515383Eurozone is in a much worse position and will slam into the wall first and then the US will be saved by people/nations/corporations looking for somewhere to put their money.
>>543516743Who fucking cares?We can just choose not to pay our interest. What are you going to do about it?Oh nothing?OK then shut the fuck up lmao.We rule this world faggot. We can do whatever the fuck we want, whenever the fuck we want, to whoever the fuck we want, with impunity.
>>543516784How quickly the goalpost changes from >it's actually not that badto>ok it's completely fucking fucked but what if we just abandoned the whole system and let it collapse huh!?!?!? You ever think about that genius option!??!!
>>543515383Dude, line go up. That's good. Line always up forever
>>543516462Maybe he thinks the money is flittering between reality and a hypothetical, while absolutely believing that it is in fact very gay
>>543516857System wont collapse if we say it isn't, tranny faggot retard.Who is going to stop us? Trump can just wave his hand and absolve all interest permanently and no one would do jackshit. He should just to make you seethe.
>>543516743The entire us debt isnt at 5.6% right now bud, only the new debt, just like the entire debt wasnt at 18%. The USA can just inflate away the currency to make payments and its not even that big a deal unless you are holding physical dollars which is stupid already
>>543516900I imagine that if you stop paying interest people will stop buying your bonds bud
>>543516784Even the cartel does business fairly. Otherwise it would eventuallt cause them to lose business.
>>543516743What’s this mean? Can someone explain this situation to me,
>>543516857That's either an Eglinnigger, or more likely, they finally got bots to sound exactly like Eglinniggers but they no longer leave immediately like real Eglinniggers when you call them out on it
>>543516926>INFLATION WILL SAVE USphew I was getting worried there for a second but luckily you can just make up for the lost money by stealing the wealth from your own populace through inflation
>>543516784Reddit posting
>>543516967What's bigger?>18% of 1 trillionor>5% of 40 trillion?
>>543517008It’s easy to find them.
>>543516935Oh you mean like how iran just tried some shit and we blew them the fuck up?Go ahead and try. Say you wont deal with America. See what happens to you shithole.
>>543515383>end of the yearso 2 months + 2 more weeks? thats totally when our markets will crash
>>543516784>Who fucking cares?
>>543517008Look, a stupid favela monkey. Do something, pussy!
>>543517034ah the old>bomb the bond marketstrategy which Trump talked about
>>543515515Imagine 13(ish)% on a savings account.
>>543516705>all 160 nations go with it Not if they just move into brics
>>543517081Where are you even from? The answer is who gives a shit.Not even trying to argue anymore. >>543517129You mean that thing that just got blown the fuck up?
>>543516784Okay but if you don’t pay your interest you can’t borrow more
>>543515383>0.3 percent increase
>>543516926>inflate away to make paymentsThe incoming administration's plan had been to raise the U.S. annual GDP growth rate from current anemi 2% up to around 6 or 7 percent range, that would *just barely* keep Treasury ahead of Interest Payments on the debt.Newsflash: Oct 2026 we're still @ 2% annual gdp growth while the national debt has surged over $40 trillion and still climbing at a rate of uniparty-rubberstamped $2.2 trillion/year U.S. Congress fedgov spendingInterest Payments on the debt now constitute fully half of the annual fedgov budget and vastly outstrip discretionary spending.At this pace the U.S. government hits the brick wall of total default less than four years from now. Global debt market won't last nearly that long
I sold a bunch of US stocks 2 days agofucking miggers
>>543516992yes but unironically. Once the bonds go up past stock market then all the money will flood out of the market and into bonds collapsing the yeild and stock market and only the rich suffer. Problem solved
>>543517158ah the old >ok I lost the argument but what if I do some ad hominem strategy
>>543517034Kek it’s not really a problem for anyone but us anon. Imagine what food is going to cost. Sure it will balance when we nationalize.
>>543517159you really don't know how it works, do you?
>>543517129BRICS (yes is an economic intra-trading collective that preserve their own currencies and central banks and thus 'strengthens' themselves, their own economic relationships to and with each other, but) doesn't have an alternative to USD or USDDollar is the global default reserve denomination for 95+ percent of all worldwide transactions, particularly sovereign debt(cf. look up the 'dollar milkshake' theory : Brent Johnson)
>>543517223and then what?
>>543515383Hopefully, maybe dissolve like the ussr but I doubt that, most likely breakup like yugoslavia very violently.
>>543517223Only the rich can afford to buy bonds dummy
>>543517129>bricsdoesn't exist since we own china's entire economy and russia is broke.
>>543517162>anemianemic*
>>543515383Strange. Line goes up, but nothing happens. So strange. Almost as if line means nothing.
>>543517162No the dow is sitting at a 6.13% return ytd, at a historic average of 9%. Once the yield crosses the market, money will flow out of the markets and into bonds collapsing the yield and giving the government a huge cash injection
>>543517280We don’t own their economy. Our retarded consumer population relies on China to produce shit that ends up in a landfill the next year after purchase. Even if their economy collapses they still 100x the infrastructure then we have here. All of that manufacturing comes in handy
>>543517296>collapsing the yieldThen won't the money just go back into the stonks?
>>543517292Are Americans this retarded? You might be able to afford a few months or even a few years paying high interest but eventually you go broke. Or if you're uncle Sam you'll inflate the currency by printing more to pay it back. If america does that the Petro dollar collapses and fiat currencies all collapse, it would be a worldwide economic depression
>>543517258then the market crashes, the government gets a shit ton of money to pay down debt, then the yield crashes and the money returns to the market. The overvalued companies close and new ones start. This happens in a cycle and is managed by people far smarter than you >>543517269anyone can buy a bond. You can buy a $50 bond if you want
>>543517223>>543517296>Once the yield crosses the marketkekholy clueless brainlet delusion(You) have zero idea what you're posting about here. None whatsoever(not going to even try but: First of all, equity markets/valuations are *a derivative of* the debt market)
>>5435153835.6% isn't even much Ivan you doofus
>>543517394So when the money goes returns to the market doesn't the yield just.... like... you know..... go up again?
>>543517410yes once the yield returns more than the market, it causes a flight from the market to treasuries. Are you dumb?
>>543517292fast food chains, mutts complaining about the prices for everything for a reason
>>543517447yes but slowly, again this is the monetary cycle and its happened for centuries
>>543517444depends on what whole the 5.6% is a portion of really innit?5.6% of $100 is quite a small amount if we're being honest, but what about 5.6% of $40 trillion? That seems pretty big to me....
>>543515383fuck this meme coin, everybody know it's gonna be a rug pull
>>543517486So when do things stop getting worse and start improving?
>>543517465 7 pbtid>>543517486>'i-it's just the cycle bro'Go back.
>>543517532when the money returns to the market>>543517543it is, the world is not ending
>>543517684How does switching the money from the market to the bonds then back to the market magically make things better?
>>543517684The world doesn’t end but empires do
>>543517030You white people love that per capita shit
>>543517922shieeeeeeeeeeeeet
>>543517773Step 1. Markets return higher than average returns for many years in a row, competing for government bondsStep 2. Government bonds have to pay higher return than market to competeStep 3. Money that was invested in markets sells out of their stocks and buys bonds, causing poorly run companies to go bankrupt whilst good companies weather the stormStep 4. With the fresh cash injection the government can pay off old debtStep 5. With so many people wanting the safe haven of government bonds, the yield dropsStep 6. When yields drop below market returns people stop buying as many bonds and invest in the stock market, causing it to go back up with only healthy companies remainingStep 7. Government even racks up more debt and has to offer higher yields and the cycle repeats
>>543517988>Government even racks up more debt and has to offer higher yieldsmight be something in that m8
>>543517861The USA ran out of gold in the 1970s and stopped trading it for dollars. The USA is the reserve currency because there are no other options. We are the least dependent country in the world on foreign trade so we do not care about manipulating it like europe and china would with their export based economies. No other currency is large enough to lubricate global trade so usd will remain king until china can transition into a net importer like us (which they refuse to do)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_trade-to-GDP_ratio
>>543515645And taxes taken in wete counted in the billions not trillions as in today ....either way we are fucked china fucked europe fucked, once 1 fiat currency starts to fall they all do...Switzerland might be safe but the franchise is also pegged to the dollar ...once the USA economy stops so does the rest of the worlds when we dont import their shit ...at that point all industrial sized nations will start 100% tariffs on imports
>>543518084Debt is a good thing, it lets you buy things now and use them whilst you pay them off. Imagine trying to buy a house without a mortgage, you would have to rent a shithole apartments to save the different until youre like 60
>>543515383>green line go up>bad
>>543517988No reason to buy bonds until the debt becomes manageable.
>>543515383>Reading the tea leavesThis shit goes up, down, left, right all the time and still nothing ever happens.
>>543515645The USA has been insolvent since the 1970's, there are economists from way back then pulling the fire alarm that if we don't do something now, this 220 billion dollars of debt is going to destroy the whole world.That was 55 years ago. The argument you're using is the same as the guy from 1970 who said the same thing.No sir, number can go up forever. The ATM machine emits $1000 and $10000 notes, and your salries go up by 10x, 100x, you get CEO level compesation packages, and things carry on as they did before when you find a loaf of bread at the grocery costs $771 USD. Everything will be fine.
>>543515645Solvency is a problem for small businesses, not large businesses or government who can print currency. You're being retarded on purpose or being retarded authentically. You have no idea what you're talking about and so your deep concern is from a place of being ignorant, not from a place of correctly detecting and troop alarming that danger is coming. Gauron is the Changeling.
>>543516745>US will be savedno arguing that EU is more fucked but still LMAO
>>543516784just 2 years of orange nigger were enough for miggers from crying about biden ruining the economy to proudly hype themselves for the epic bankrupcy ahead (which is now a based thing to happen)
>>543518178What happens when your interest payments exceed your income? You still have to pay the money you borrowed back but now you can't even pay the interest. How you pay back? Their answer: borrow more money.
>>543518318US bond market is not a casino nigger, its the biggest market in the world worth $40 trillion where insistutions and countries put their money
>>543517988What if all of the companies are poorly run?
>>543518107>We are the least dependent country in the world on foreign trade You are so fucking dumb.
>>543516165The best part of that meme is how it says 4chan nel. Kek newfags don't remember that.
>>543519578i never understood the joke about 4channelI know there are archive sites with that name, but I don't know why it's funny.
>>543515653It's like prolapse, but in the other direction.
>>543518732>interest paymentsThis is the part he doesn't comprehend.The debt-based system is founded on continuous expansion of—wait for it—debt.Global debt topped $255 trillion in 2019, $307 trillion in 2023, and $350 trillion in 2025, almost four times the amount of all economic output. Public debt—sovereign debt of governments—in 2026 comprises ninety-four percent of the entire global economy; IMF predicts in three years that reaches one hundred percent. Advanced economies are now paying $3.3 trillion in interest on nternationally traded government bonds as of 2025: that is more than the entire world spent on defense or artificial intelligence (AI). Fully half of the annual U.S. fedgov budget goes to >>543516774 Interest Payments >>543517162 on the debt. (See above^^^^^ that's why Treasury is headed for total default in four years) World governments soon will owe as much as the entire global economy produces in 12 months duration. Total debt levels and deficit spending of the last 30 years has eclipsed that of the past several centuries of western civilization, and absurdly low and negative interest rate borrowing costs have incentivized national governments to no longer borrow on the expectation that they will repay, but rather the expectation that they will refinance.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt-to-GDP_ratio(RE: trade, the U.S. runs a deficit and that is why for several decades e.g. Trump himself long prior to getting into politics himself as do also many other corporations and HNW U.S. businesspeople, advocate for a degraded cheap dollar because it works to counter America's trade deficit)>>543518942He is truly a brainlet.
If i keep rubles Russia collapses, if i buy dollars USA collapses, if i keep 50/50 WW3. This is how investment works for me.
>>543515645>be insolventnope, its just gonna start a bigger war
>>543515383Green = GoodRed = Bad
>>543526724>Trump promises better economy>economy gets worse>"You see, it's too simplistic to look at the economy getting worse as a bad thing..."
>>543521750idk what denomination we'll be using in a year, but i'm starting to doubt it will be greenbacks
>>543516074lmao at >GDP
>>543516784A fine example of hubris
>>543517223>will flood out of the market and into bondsI'd like them to see that lel.After a new round of QE after a market crash bonds even with 20% yield won't be much when a loaf of bread will cost $100.Alternatively you will get the DSA or other extremists in power and they simply create a new currency making the old bonds worthless.
>>543515515How are you gonna serve the debt payments at 40 trillion dollars? You don’t the whole world debt market is fucked america especially so
>>543515383People start dying, or even more people become enslaved.
>Set up the midterms so the Dems win a tsunami but also the dominoes fall right after on the economy so we can blame the newly elected Democrats for it and usher in 1000 years of MAGA ruleYou faggots are really missing the point of everything. It is over for Shariabloo, you are in a TRAP you cannot ever escape from. Say goodbye to your gay mexican tranny sports players and lawn slaves.
Just buy BTC and gold bro. Why would anyone want to hold stinky fiat in 2026?
>>543515623you fucking moron, back then the debt was virtually 0 in comparison
>>543515383Collaps only happens if you try to hide how bad is really is just like everybody was very surprised the USSR collapsed.This will be slow decline. Sorry to tell you
>>543515623Only because Trump tries to manifest it doesn't make it real. Your economy is not like it was in the 1980s.
>>543516926The Treasury has to finance $6T in T Bills by the end of the year and the strait is still closed
US collapse is a blessing for all people of the world.Baal and Jew worshipping will end.
>>543517465who is going to buy junk bonds, cause thats what US bonds currently are. If they would be hot shit they wouldn't have to coerce their "allies" into buying them. Fucking bongers are now 2nd largest owners of UD debt, while their own countrie is crashing and burning they still buy more US debt.
>>543516900Trump should just wave his hand and open the strait
>>543516607kek, is it 1939 moshe? There is not going to be any fucking war. Conflicts serve the MiC to sell arms. Tariffs and conflict stifle competition and emerging economies and force new markets. The world has been solved and its a big game and stage. Imagine thinking they will begin a war and then go to ask to be reelected with a million videos of american zoomers being blown up, kek. China cant even do that. Nope, gay PC warfare and algo games. No more hardpower. Insurance shipping rates will end the USA before any nuclear arm or any nation. Remember this statement
>>543516900Well he could do that, but the US population would find out their lifestyle and quality of life has been sustained by government debt and trust in the dollar sooner rather than later.
>>543529689>Fucking bongers are now 2nd largest owners of UD debtkek, ask me how i know youre retarded? THe UK is an empire by way of paperwork and island chains. They wash CCP t bill purchases, just like they wash iran sanction money. China is the second largest owner of debt by way of cayman islands. And they dont purchase under CCP because of a political stance, but its all CCP money anon, why would the UK have to double dip when city of london has more influence in the BiS to raise rates on the FED, because you do know the BiS sets all rates right anon?
>>543517296Oh nice so there’s going to be a giant economic collapse that will require more issued digital goybucks which will make the deficit even larger and worsen the crisis
>>543516124>the USD quite literally collapses.but who will enforce that collapse?
>>543529961thats a pedantic way of putting it anon, the USA calculated specifically choose to produce a deficit to make and produced enough dollars to be in circulation. The debt is needed. Everyone entire position changes and i mean a complete 180, the moment USA hits 3%. You guys are zooming in on one rate in one specific situation for interest rates, not accounting for the awesome ability of not only USA but major markets to grow. By 2030s early, hormuz by way of moves made 10 years ago, will have almost no impact on Europe
>>543515383zoomer's first treasury bear market
>>543518178Houses used to cost no more than 3 years salary before the inflation Jew. You are cattle in love with the butcher
>>543530150um anon, they still do kek, if you dont make 150k household or you, yourself, you have severely fumbled your working career in USA. We arent complaining about making 150k anon, we are complaining about how far it goes. You still need to make some money to be rightfully mad about something
>>543529991now in coherent english sentence, jeeto
>>543530057No one, nothing will happen, allies who own bonds will eat up loses and forgive debt
>>543530242Average home price and average single income household retard. 150k is not average single income. Tip your bank and write a cheque to Israel you love burning money on interest so much you fucking lobotomite kikeslave. 150k that’s real hot shit what are you a radiation tech with an associates? Big man I bet you love your watch too
>>543529689Turtlebros.... Slow steady wins the race :)
>>543530414there has literally never been a time in the USA the media salary was 3x the wage. In what world were people making 1/3 of their home in gold, because prior to 70s thats what youre going to have to prove. Becase mortages are more experience back then then now, so explain yourself
>>543530483Searchbar is right there on your screen bud you can look it up
>>543516784>We can just choose not to pay our interestYou can. But several things need to happen. Deficit must be cut to zero immediately. After that it will be hard if not impossible to get new bonds, so you will need to pay back the principle when the bonds mature, which means deficit at zero is not enough, you will need to have massive surpluses year over year. Not paying interest would be a calamity to your financial system, but if you went further and refused to pay the principle, it would be exponentially worse. Either way this is just migger babble, US Treasury treats bond interest repayments as sacred. To this day you pay interest on bonds held by Russia
what do the other countries lines look like?
>>543530296basicly in current situation this is real financial MAD and like with nooks noone will try to enforce it (apart Kabbalistic Jews if it please them)>there will be no collapse overnight like yellowstone volcano eruption but slow decay like it was with Soviet Union >they even slowly programing general population about that (civil war 2024)
>>543530760kek what decade would you like, the 6-18% of the 30s and 40s or the 12 in 70s? You lost, the money supply has been managed fairly well, the issue is kike businesses not hiring and paying americans
>>543516076Colleagues comes from French collègues which comes from Latin collega you funking retard Shut the fuck up mutt
>>543515515>zoom out cope40+ triillion in national debt and boomers mortgaged at 2022 housing prices are going to make this a whole new game.
rolling for TUSDD
33% of your taxes, every year of your life goes to this. Not even to lowering it, just paying the interest off
>>543515796short term loans do exist1Y T-bills are a big thing
>>543532231Nobody ever responds to this
>>543515383Very nice, now let's see russia
>>543518139>>543515871>>543516416>>543518634Actual retards. The US debt to revenues is more than 5x what it was at the previous peak. You can't print your way out of that without hyperinflation (we're already seeing insane inflation).
>>543515383Two more weeks
>>543518532>femaleUgghh straggots are insufferable.
>>543529689>>543529991>>543530280The Spider's Web: Britain's Second Empire—hidden global eurodollar networks documentaryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np_ylvc8Zj8All of this goes way, way beyond just the global bond market in terms of interleveraging.Nobody itt understands, comprehends the vast scope of the post-1970s Financialized global economy, or how wealth today is generated, (hidden and) heldWhen the global debt market implodes—soon—entire system including eurodollars goesAll of itkaputthe end
>>543532959>US debt to revenuesIt is not a revenue problem. U.S. Congress (that control purse strings, not presidents) has a spending problembut of course that's just—i.e. Congress—fiscal policy; that is enabled continuously infinitely by the *monetary policy* of treasury+central bank aka 'moneyprinting' of funds nobody hasZero accountability exists in this global debt-based economic model (see above^^^^), it is all about:>"when is the next rollover">[for any national government] we are scheduled not to pay back or balance-budget, but to *refinance*
>>543532840This place is bota. YOUR A BOT. I'm so tired
>>543534813niggerSent from my agent.
>>543515383This is for all govts
>>543515383the us, and likewise the rest of the world, is cookedif you havent prepared yet, its too late. i, for one, welcome our new reality of warlords and wars for food and fuel
