How do you explain to a white leftist that the anti-white racism and anti white mass immigration is a real problem? In my experience cultural arguments just dont work. They just dont value White European culture or heritage, I would assume due to years of anti White jewish brainwashing.. is there any other way to convince them?
>>543524672If it isn't readily apparent to them already then you're just wasting your time.Find like minded people, get the fuck out of the cities and build resilient, as independent as possible communities.
>>543524672Give everyone you know a copy of Fr Seraphim Rose's, Nihilism: the Root of the Revolution of the Modern AgeIf you can't afford physical copies, print them off; I think it's like 100 pages, you can print it to PDF in your web browser four to a page, then run two-sided printing, to keep it legible but save paper and ink.It is, above and beyond, the BEST explanation of how the political landscape manifests in the modern world, and will remain relevant until we either go extinct, experience the second coming, or resolve our differences and go to Burger King.
>>543524672have a consistent worldview yourself first?why do you care about white culture specifically?why do you think an actual leftist won't be able to see your real motive?
>>543524672leftist here1) identity politics divides the working class along lines of alienated labor in a capitalist system2) if society goes to shit and there are literally race war gangs of non-whites trying to murder whites, i as a white person have no choice but to join other whites if i want to survive. that is not a choice i made, it is the choice of non-white racists to force my hand towards survivalactual leftist non-whites want class solidarity. liberals who engage in anti-white idpol are fucking retarded
>>5435251643) if they insist that white people are the problem for everything, they are no different than retards who blame jews for everything
>>543525164>if society goes to shit and there are literally race war gangs of non-whites trying to murder whites, i as a white person have no choice but to join other whites if i want to survive. that is not a choice i made, it is the choice of non-white racists to force my hand towards survival Every race has an in-group racial bias except white leftoids. Your hands have already been forced
>>543525261you're being melodramatic. but thanks for reminding me to look again at gun prices
>>543525164Yeah there are reprobates of every race, but people point to those and generalize.>>543525318Buy and start practicing.
>>543525164>identity politics divides the working class along lines of alienated labor in a capitalist system Multiracialism instigates managed chaos, and provably interrupts the ability for workers to form unions. Multiracialism exacerbates alienation and necessarily decreases societal trust, allowing opportunities for big capital to navigate avenues of further exploitation. There is no rationalization for being a multiracialism proponent, and supporting traditional economic leftism. >2) if society goes to shit and there are literally race war gangs of non-whites trying to murder whites, i as a white person have no choice but to join other whites if i want to survive. that is not a choice i made, it is the choice of non-white racists to force my hand towards survival That's been going on since the Civil Rights movement. Now, White people are not liable to respond without the full weight of the law coming down on them. At the beginning of the last century, White people had organizations that allowed them to respond to transgressions by nonwhites in America. That's not allowed anymore, because of the multiracialism people like you idealize as a prerequisite for a society.>actual leftist non-whites want class solidarity. liberals who engage in anti-white idpol are fucking retardedThey don't. Obviously there are upper-class White sellouts and bourgeois, but overwhelmingly, nonwhites are spiteful and resentful towards White people on the basis of White people merely existing. They behave under the pretense of subsuming White people through proximity, or exploiting high-trust mechanisms in White society until nothing is left. This is reflected in voter habits, social media commentary, and nonwhite-on-White crime stats. You will never have class solidarity with nonwhites. They don't understand you, your struggles, or what you find important. But maybe for 'class warriors' like you, these things won't click until its too late.
>>543525202>"Marxism is a white and eurocentric ideology"that's more or less the CCP's whole shtick since the sino-soviet split kek
>>543525164>>5435252021 The idea that people are selfishly motivated to survive, is fundamentally a racist generalization and projection, by non-whites against whites.2 Ideas are great and all, and I support doing things more rationally, but we have witnessed - in fact, people who are still alive can tell you firsthand - what happens when radical simplifiers organize society.3 Political wisdom starts with, "I don't know; this seems best - you agree?", but all the revolutionaries agitate: "We must, or else". How will fear organize society? 4 Trust is real money. We just need to know and practice, that it's better to give than to receive. and, Leftists need to understand, that the guys working 2,000 hours or more per year doing something productive and only spending money on >rent>food>utilities>transportation>basics like clothing, banjo strings, a present for your cousinare functionally working for minimum wage or less no matter their income.A miser who never spends their money - simply buys US debt or a stock index fund - is working for free until they spend that money.We know exactly what's going to happen though, when there's a wind blowing against the sails: you're going to wrongly outcast them (as you have been for decades) the same as nazis did to jews and bolsheviks did to christians.and yeah, they'll die or be conscripted to some crazy war.
>>543525530no, it's liberals, primarily retards from canada and native americans at least from what i've seen>>543525520>multiracialism instigates chaosethonocentrism instigates chaos. capitalist superstates create regional instability specifically to trigger conservatives who then fall on fascism like retards>that's been going on since the civil rights movmentyes, i agree that the government that is controlled by capitalists has been relying on idpol to maintain control, and when black leadership like MLK Jr and Fred Hampton spoke about class solidarity, that's when they were murdered.>they don'tthey literally fucking do and the capitalist controlled government murders them>you will never have class solidarity with nonwhites
>>543524672anti-white racism is code for slavery. why is everyone else obligated to treat you like you're special because you're white? we are not second class citizens on our own land
>>543525717>by non-whitesthere are literally white right wingers in this thread refusing to understand class solidarity thoughi'm not exactly sure what you're talking about. are you agreeing with me? most wars are for the profits of the weapons industry.
I work in tech, and the answer is 100% Just exposure to Indians.It's already turned most of my lefty co-workers into racists towards them.
>>543524672they're gentrifying our towns and displacing communitiesalthough the american idea of 'white' is entirely meaningless and silly, and the whole immigration problem is a problem regardless of whether said immigrants are white or not
>>543525916And in fact to go further. You use this to explain to them how certain cultures are invasive to western values. You gotta put it in a light way, and avoid mentioning race as that's seen as taboo. They 100% will accept the argument though that certain cultures are inherently damaging to our society once exposed to Indians enough.
>>543524672>How do you explain to a white leftist that the anti-white racism and anti white mass immigration is a real problem?The ones with a brain figured it out.Obviously you can't know how many there are, and the system would prefer to convince you half the population are these weird antiwhite freaks.Kikes and antiwhite freak are a minority of the population, don't forget that.
>>543525916you mean capitalists hire people from outside the community for lower pay and you get mad at workers instead of employers?
also timmy didn't get praised for being white by non-whites, it's october 7th all over again for the jewish faggot
>>543524672You convince them with actions, not words. Keep voting in Trump-like figures. Most lefties already regret woke and tranny spam because of how it reflected on normies deciding to lean right.
never forget, that as much as jews whine about china "copying" stupid timmies, they copied hitler's playbook by using terrorism as an excuse to start>afghanistan>iraqand for america's greatest jew or israel, obliterating gaza... yet all iran does is make a bomb that never seems to be finished in time for any terrorist attack
>>543526040>lefties regret wokethis is correct. the gender ideology gap continues to grow because feminists refuse to understand that "patriarchy" and talking shit about men 24/7 is not in fact intersectional. they could be getting men to go further left by explaining how capitalism harms men, but feminists are not intersectional.
>>543525959It's not about that you dumb commie. It's about how Indians behave, and how they disrespect everybody else. No tech worker with skill feels threatened by them.
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>>543526132P.S.when liberal/leftist women hate men, they are less likely to have children with leftist men, which means they are not raising leftist children, which means the fascists outbreed and outvote us. feminism breeds itself out along with leftist men.
>>543526188no one cares about more white trash being born, why don't you all just realize how utterly fucked you all are by losing to iran since you all want to go after the "enemy within" now, you know those weak libruls or troons and white women that wouldnt have sex with you
>>543526239>blaming leftists for a right wing choice to suck isreal's dick and ruin the world economy>hurr durr no sex 4 U incel!are you a feminist by chance?
>>543525164you will be fed to the niggers for being communist race traitor scum
>>543526279you white retards are the world economy? then that's all it takes to be fed or be housed if you're not white? by saying you're so great because you're white? you need to die on fentanyl
>>543526313fuck around and find out, leaf>>543526314oh i'm sorry are you under the impression that china is white? you got me on iran though, they do control the world economy now and i heard that iranians count as white. ;)
>>543526381now china is the world economy? just kill yourself you fucking retard
>>543526410you sound upset about something... maybe even confused
>>543526279It's establishment on both sides.Tired of this played out left/right dichotomy when it comes to Jewish dick sucking. They both do it because it's more a generational thing than a political ideology thing.The only condemnation I could give to the right is that they primaried any and all of their non-zionists at Zion-Don's behest.
>>543526461so hating china falls under anti-white racism? then go shoot your president you fucking retard and don't miss or you'll just be another weak troon
>>543524672Frame immigration as "white man's burden" and "a revival of white saviorism"
>>543525520this was a good effortpost. thank you. sad the thread didn't progress from this.
>>543525520>>543525829There are really only three options when different races come into contact with each other (all these can happen to varying degrees), homogenization, separation, or conflict leading to subjugation or genocide. I think something supercedes ethnos/blood though, because on the one hand there's unification and on the other there's division. It's the separation + time which creates different races while it's the mixing of different races which homogenizes them. This is to say that, if this process is always going on, then it implies that there is something superceding race, that racial homogeneity is the effect social cohesion, that when social cohesion is lost, when there's separation, with sufficient time there's the formation of new races. The only peaceful options are mixing or separation, and imo the kind of separation where it's like an empire managing different races doesn't actually work unless one race is the subjugator which is how it seems to work in reality with multi-racial states.
>>543524672Leftists should be shot. Not reasoned with. They don’t use reason.
>>543524672They must taste it first hand. But they wont because:Most of leftist men simply inherited enough wealth just to not be affected by consequences of implementing their luxury beliefs. They live in separate secured estates where imigranta wont be able to move in because of prices of houses there. They send kids into private school and they transport them with private cars
>>543526673>There are really only three options when different races come into contact with each other (all these can happen to varying degrees), homogenization, separation, or conflict leading to subjugation or genocideSouth Africa, Yugoslavia, and Haiti are modern examples where homogenization didn't take place. Just warfare, death, and chaos. Even Katrina in the US proved that when the power goes out, all of the artificial mechanisms that impose societal order like law enforcement, entertainment/propaganda, and convenience give way to racial reality.>This is to say that, if this process is always going on, then it implies that there is something superceding race, that racial homogeneity is the effect social cohesion, that when social cohesion is lost, when there's separation, with sufficient time there's the formation of new races. Asiatics are already mixed primarily with proto-European nomad populations like the Ainu, and Jomon and black populations. Latinos are largely Afro-asiatic/Europid mixed populations. Indians are Europid/Aboriginal hybrids. Scandinavians are the White root race, while Ethiopids are the Black root race. You just have an obsession with interrupting autonomy as to satisfy your human crossbreeding fetish. 'New races' already exist in the form of Latinos, Asiatics, and Indians. Why the compulsion to force people to mix, even if it is transgressing their right to autonomy?>The only peaceful options are mixing or separation, and imo the kind of separation where it's like an empire managing different races doesn't actually work unless one race is the subjugator which is how it seems to work in reality with multi-racial states.Separation is the only rational option. America was better as a monoracial White Republic, not a multiracial empire. No one needs to justify the inclusion of nonwhites in an empire unless they're a White sadist, or share your crossbreeding fetishization.
>>543527600I'm not suggesting mixing, I am just explaining how there's a two way process, race differentiation, caused by time+ separation, and race synthesization, caused by mixing and homogenization. And that social cohesion precedes racial homogeneity, when there's social cohesion, people mix and form a homogenous race. When the social ties/bonds are lost, when there's time + separation, that's how new races form. Although there's a third option and that's when men take another people's women by force. I think mussolini is fundamentally correct that race is mostly a feeling and that pure races don't exist, that is because all races are the result of the two way process I described. Again, this isn't to endorse mixing, I think people should be able to form their own tribes/communities which are voluntary.>America was better as a monoracial White Republic, not a multiracial empireThe US is literally a euromutt nation though, how monoracial it is depends on how broad of an ethnicity you deem to be "mono", but of course there's less degrees and more degrees of specificity in regards to categorization of people. White, slav, eastern slav, russian, as an example of what I mean, from broad to more specific.
>>543529193>I think people should be able to form their own tribes/communities which are voluntary. Same here. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks if the government has made it functionally illegal for Whites to practice Freedom of Association in accordance with the Bill of Rights and First Amendment, which was integral to the creation of the Republic.>The US is literally a euromutt nation though, how monoracial it is depends on how broad of an ethnicity you deem to be "mono", but of course there's less degrees and more degrees of specificity in regards to categorization of people. White, slav, eastern slav, russian, as an example of what I mean, from broad to more specificNo it isn't, and saying 'Euromutt' disparagingly only serves to undermine the originalist interpretation of America as it applies to being a White Republic. Contemporary America is 32-38% White, and that's being generous. "White" as defined by broadly Northern European ancestry, with Ulster-Scots, French, German, and Slavic influences. Even less 'White' if you want to be a Nordicist, and claim only blonde/blue eyes are authentically White. The Black population in America is around ~50 million, possibly closer to ~70 million if including Mullattos, populations unresponsive to data collection, and African imports. Latinos are ~67-68 million, possibly more if accounting for illegal and undocumented populations. That isn't even to mention Arab/Asiatic/Indian populations. America isn't a White country, and hasn't been one for a while. And as economic tensions are exacerbated, and the social fabric decays; the inevitability of societal breakdown, and subsequent racial conflict, only become inevitable.
