launched in 1977 that became the longest continually operating and most distant human-made objects in history.and found nothing but more darkness
The nature of our star, the composition of the planet, the position of our moon, the fact that our planet was smashed by another planet long ago with water on it, the fact that we have three above-average sized planets: Jupiter Saturn Uranus in an orbit that operates like a vaccum cleaner for rocks, the circular orbit of the earth and its exact position around the star which lets water be solid liquid and gas on daily intervals, are all highly suspiciously organized, and is likely associated with the fermi paradox in how we have found ourselves here, in this solar system, in this part of the galaxy, and not in the galaxy next to ours in a solar system with slightly different conditions.
>>543566074consider that becore the sun there was total darkness, and after the sun total white light
>>543566263It shouldn't be that surprising that conditions on Earth are generally favorable to the creatures that evolved on it. Otherwise we wouldn't exist to make such observations.
>>543566074>and found nothing but more darknessVoyager 1 confirms the local interstellar environment described by Frisch (2003).it also confirmed that the heliosphere is embedded in the Local Interstellar Cloud and not in a uniform empty vacuum like many jew scientists claim.it also proved that the heliopause is a real structured boundary aka a double layer.whats also interesting is that Voyager could measure a rise in electron density or a change in magnetic field direction which could give us early warning about the Micronova.
>>543566074i have some issues with these space communications things. from geostationary satellites and MEO satellites, the signal is in microvolts and has to be amplified before traveling through the cables to whatever you have going on (typically a modem). BUT with this story, we are told that these fucking things shoot back and hit Earth (remember we're spinning too so those ground antennas have to catch it). Space is also supposed be quite a radioactive/noisy environment and there could clouds of shit flying around.
>>543566962Yeah there are a lot of holes in space mythology.
>>543566263>the composition of the planetdid you know the current sun is a high current density anode producing mostly light elements (H, He, C, O, Ne) while earths composition (O, Si, Fe, Mg, Ni, plus s-process and r-process elements) is very different?In the Electric Universe model a brown dwarf is an anode in a galactic circuit but with much lower current density.this has important consequences for nucleosynthesis because a dwarf star is the ideal environment for building the heavy element inventory that Earth has.basically a dwarfstar undergoes an electrical instability, it ejects material from its surface (a "planetary fission" event, similar to a nova but less violent) then the ejected material cools and condenses into planets.>Jupiter Saturn...all these were captured by the current Sun on its way to the Apex Cloud, like Saturn has several anomalies that are consistent with a more active, star like past like for example Saturn emits like 3x more energy than it receives from the Sun due to residual LENR transmutation in the core.also Saturns deuterium to hydrogen ratio is lower than jupiters (fyi Voyager 1 measured this) which is unexpected if both formed from the same nebula.these are real, measured anomalies btw.
>>543566074>Space is mostly emptyOmg no wae!
>>543566962>remember we're spinning toowhy would that be a problem?>those ground antennas have to catch itthe NASA Deep Space Network can do that. these giant satellite dishes move with the spacecraft and point at it and when the spacecraft gets out of sight it gets into the sight of the other dish in Madrid, Australia or Commiefornia.>Space is also supposed be quite a radioactive/noisy environment that wont stop the stations from picking up the signal since they know the pattern, the direction, estimated distance, the channel etc.I dont see what issues you have.
>>5435662633 of 8 planets being above average size is statistically most likely you fucking retard
>>543566074Strange how? Things are. Which space simulation software do you have installed? I use Celestia. For data I use the NASA open dataset, sometimes a MASER dataset.Distances are stupidly large.
>>543566263if you require particular conditions you will always find yourself in those particular conditions asking the question>how come these particular conditions?it would be extremely weird if you found yourself in the most average conditions of this universe, which don't contain life. like, imagine if you found yourself on a frozen desert planet with no atmosphere. you'd have no air to breathe, you'd instantly freeze, but none of that would be the least bit weird for you because it's just "average shit in this universe" innit? THAT wouldn't be weird for you at all. instead what is weird for you is finding yourself in the exact environment in which you are possible, that is blowing your fucking mind innit?
>>543568781voyager 1 is over 15 billion miles away. it has somewhere around the range of a 25 watt BUC for transmitting power (equivalent, i fucking know it's a TWTA setup). the directtv 101west satellite has about the equivalent of 120 watt BUC (also twta). do you understand signals fade over distance and that geostationary is not even 50,000 mile distance to ground? do you understand that not only is the earth spinning but the solar system is moving around in the galaxy and voyager 1 is not in the galaxy? But those fucking DSN antennas just always seem to be able to get those transmissions, right?
>>543570660>and voyager 1 is not in the galaxy?wat
>>543566074looks fairly bright in that pic
>>543570660>antennas just always seem to be able to get those transmissionsThey have to use massive satellite arrays because the signal is so weak.And theyre not streaming in 4k imax, the data stream is very simplistic.
>>543570660>voyager 1 is not in the galaxywut?
>>543571269i edited a few times. it's not in the solar system since mid 2012. so if the solar system i moving around the galaxy and Earth is moving within the solar system and spinning and voyager 1 is moving and shit making these radio shots with data integrity at the extreme distance and diminished signal level becomes quite the unlikely feat.
>>543570821it's an artist's illustration
>>543566263>Notices clear evidence of a creator, goes off to retarded (((evolution le heckin science)))There is no (((fermi paradox))) as God created life here and nowhere else in creation.
>>543571554>becomes quite the unlikely featnot really also you seem to have trouble grasping the size/scale of things.
>>543566962STOP ASKING QUESTIONS GOYIM!YOU ARE AN INSIGNIFICANT ACCIDENT LIVING ON A SPINNING ROCK IN A MASSIVE UNIVERSE!AND WHEN YOU DIE THERE IS NOTHINGSOURCE: TRUST ME BRO
>>543571897no, i'm an actual communications engineer. i know the size of the reflector and the frequency bands and technology used in the voyager 1 fabrication. i know they had the sense to use circular polarization and that's great but at some point, the 25 watt BUC just don't cut it. that 12ft antenna isn't going to cut it. it's 2 way communication and a 16 billion mile noisy path with great potential for all kinds of shit, in terms of blockage and noise distortion. it's a moving object targeting a moving object within moving objects. we do that here on Earth but at say maybe 23000 miles and at that range, we ampifify at the feed and the power used is greater. the path is also mostly guaranteed to be clear of objects and the spectrum is somewhat regulated most places this is 700000 times that distance with none of that control. you strike me as someone who believes the majority of things they find printed in any book without much verification
this Earth is some sort of complex...construct...for lack of a better word. there are good aliens and bad aliens. we have no way to determine one from the other. perhaps we were created by aliens, who are powerful enough to terraform entire planets and solar systems. of course, the religious have a simpler explanation: God.I do find it interesting that some cultures such as various asians don't really believe in one singular creator, unless you're talking about some vietgooks. It appears accurate to say that the most cucked nations are monotheistic evangelical (e.g. america and the uk cucking to israel).
>>543572545>no, i'm an actual communications engineer.yes and pajeets are allowed to fly airplanes or drive giant ships, doesnt mean the pajeet actually understands how any of that stuff works or the dimensions of it.a pajeet cannot scale up his mental models and you seem to have a similar issue.like you think voyager 1 left the galaxy lmao.someone who isnt a brown moron would never even make this mistake.>the path is also mostly guaranteed to be clear of objectsyes nothing is blocking the voyager probes and radio noise is not evenly distributed across every frequency and direction.+ the DSN can choose frequencies precisely, point its antennas very precisely, filter unwanted signals and schedule observations when interference is manageable.
>>543573112you speak like an uneducated and malnourished child. voyager 1 left in 1977. so maybe, you got tech common in say, 1990s. the lowest cost modulation is the simplest, BPSK. ones and zeroes, a pure carrier with some modulation or just pure carrier. 16 billion miles in a moving electric universe from a moving target that had no pre-planned targeting assistance map. 50 year old antenna, hostile environment. moving parts needed to target things. other objects, known and unknown moving through the path. anybody who thinks we are receiving data with integrity from a 50 year old antenna with a 25 watt BUC that is 16 billion miles away from Earth is a fucking moron. and today, that moron is you.
Praise SOL
>>543573835none of these are issues that would make it impossible. maybe read up on how it works before posting retarded bullshit or making dumbass assumptions.>that moron is you.nope, its clearly (You).
>>543572545you have no idea how large the dishes that capture it's transmission are, or just how much into the noisefloor its signal is, and what they do to pick it up from thereif you want to learn about it check this out:https://youtu.be/586Zn1ct-QAhttps://youtu.be/vUvzgZt1Vugyou should have known all of this as a "actual communications engineer"
>>543566845>could measure a rise in electron density or a change in magnetic field direction which could give us early warning about the Micronova.based micronova poster
>>543574269
>>543566263>was smashed by another planet long ago with water on itAnd free carbon.Pretty much all the carbon active in our biosphere was brought by the second planet.>>543566962The antenna handling this are among the biggest on Earth, and are a the limit of what engineering can do.It's not a "it just work bro" tale, it's a "we poured 6 millions nuclear power plant's output into it and it's just enough to get a perceptible blip" situation.
>>543573835you are a brainlet who bought a baofeng radio from aliexpress, bought a longer antenna fucked around with listening to your local construction workers and now fancy yourself as a "communications engineer" lmao. you're clueless
>>543574479>could give us early warning about the Micronova.also thats assuming they survive that long and dont brick somehow or run out of power or get shut down by NASA jews etc.
>>543566263>are all highly suspiciously organizedIt's called the laws of physics, aka God's true supreme laws that can not be broken.And where those laws come together in harmony, life is created.And that life, if it also respects those laws, will evolve and grow and become close to God. Only evil, aka trying to subvert God's laws, can destroy this evolution.
>>543574605it's flat earth brained, anyone can decode the data if they have the abilityhttps://destevez.net/2021/09/decoding-voyager-1/>>543574691you just need a big antenna, they can't stop the signal
>>543566074>and found nothing but more darknessSpace is big.
We have the 2 voyager spacecraft and a few more that are in deep space. If there are billions of habitable planets then there should be billions of spacecraft in our universe. WHERE THE FUCK ARE THEY!!!
>>543574883>you just need a big antennacan you borrow me a 70 meter dish pls?
>>543575030>that are in deep spaceVoyager has covered about 0.04% or so of the distance to our nearest star.>WHERE THE FUCK ARE THEY!!!cant detect them with our low resolution poorfag monkey setup and maybe people arent looking in the right places to begin with.
>>543574269i truly believe you are a fool. that being said, arguing with a fool who is not even presenting an argument of substance is a pointless activity. i do this every damn work day. granted, we throw in sdwan and shit trends more to LEO now but MEO and GEO are still out there. i build them, i program them, i update them, i install them, i repair them. over 27 fucking years. go suck NASA dick you fucking jew, this shit does not work like that. voyager 1 is 50 years gone, it doesn't have any more advanced hardware but there is no currently available hardware that would compensate for 16 billion miles. you do not understand radio fade vs gain and pointing accuracy. see below and determine the power production from a 25 watt buc. The Free Space Path Loss (FSPL) at 2.3 GHz over a distance of 16 billion miles is approximately 307.9 dB.Calculation DetailsDistance (d): 16 × 109 miles (2.575 × 1010 km)Frequency (f): 2.3 GHzFormula: \(\text{FSPL (dB)} = 20 \log_{10}(d_{\text{km}}) + 20 \log_{10}(f_{\text{GHz}}) + 92.45\)Result: \(20 \log_{10}(2.575 \times 10^{10}) + 20 \log_{10}(2.3) + 92.45 \approx 208.22 + 7.23 + 92.45 = 307.9\text{ dB}\)
>>543573835>voyager 1 left in 1977. so maybe, you got tech common in say, 1990suh no, that’s not how it works at all lmao. It has tech at best made in the 60s, and you as an engineer would know this is because they need to test the ever living shit out of it and make sure it Just Fucking Works since you can’t just send a janny out there to fix anything that goes wrong
>>543575191>jeet doesnt understand that the DSN antennas are HUGE
>>543575074you don't need anything that large, the link I posted used two 6 meter gregorian antennas with cooled log-periodic feeds.
>>543566074Imagine the Solar System is your yard. Your neighbor's yard is the next solar system over. The Voyager probe has done the equivalent of leave your front door, leave your porch, and take the walkway to your driveway. It hasn't walked down your driveway yet. It hasn't walked on the road. It hasn't started up your neighbor's driveway. Where would you expect to find a stranger? Standing on the walkway to your porch or substantially farther away?
>>543566263>>543566074imagine falling for masonic lies. earth is flat.
>>543574433you are a retard. and being that your flag says Romania i would say you are one of the SES lackeys that we pay to monitor the weather. we have absolutes in this science. it is 2 way communication. understand the fucking voyager antenna and hardware is not going to be replaced at 16 billion miles. build a 3000 meter antenna, who gives a shit? when you amplify the antenna's signal gathering/listening function, you amplify noise. this is so fucking basic my dog typed it. IT IS A BPSK SYSTEM YOU ASSHOLE. IT IS AN ELECTRIC UNIVERSE. alternatively, if it's so fucking great then why haven't we shot these things off in all directions to learn about the universe? hmmm... big brain thought.
>>543575191Voyager transmits on x band
>>543575279fascinating, I still want that huge dish tho
>>543566845based micronova post lmao
>>543575253yeah, i'm talking to a jew using a vpn. i give a wide berth for the realm of possibility but it remains that FPLS is calculable and the bullshit 25 watt equivalent transmit power is below the distance factor by over a power of 10, it isn't happening. we haven't even started determining what is in the path, this is clear space estimate with minimal to zero atmospheric distortion and then what are the local atmospheres such as gas clouds or meteor fields?. it's pie in the sky horseshit. when you see my numbers, they are earth based calculations on GEO spacecraft at best. I"m not fucking dumb enough to hypothesize on further distances. voyager 1 left 50 years ago with a 12ft antenna. it isn't getting bigger.
>>543575383sort of, it is s and x band. if you look into who uses that, you'll find both local and long range use of that as aviation, shipping, weather, gov, defense, cops also are in that spectrum. i'm saying it is not a clean, reserved spectrum for receiving these signals. it IS susceptible to all of the bullshit everything else is. you can buy commercial devices using this.
>>543575654yes, the signal is very very weak (-160.5 dB) and involves complex processing to isolate.
>>543575383what i'm also saying is that noise (various forms of light/heat) in space does not give a fuck about spectrum. when you transmit through the van allen belts, you have a problem. when you try to shoot an electronic signal through vast distances in an electric universe using very minor shifts in voltage as the modulation, you have a fucking problem. make the whole planet a fucking antenna if you want but if the target (voyager 1) has a known reflector size (12ft) an a fixed power, then at any point on the 16 BILLION mile path you are vulnerable to all interfrence which may locally overpower your BPSK signal as it passes through it. it's a fucking cell phone call going around the world over 100 times before talking wang ho in china. it's bullshit
you people rather wonder about the complexity of the world till the end of time than seek him who waits you at the end of time, life comes from life, perception from perception, and without an objective evaluator, meaning, value and purpose are impossible, know this: if there is no god youre just a retarded monkey on a rock without meaning, value nor purpose with other monkeys whos only purpose is to abuse each other till the day they die, therefore hope and have faith that there will be judgement, because without judgement a law is not a law but a suggestion.
>>543575823one of the most sensitive platforms right now is Newtec (modem). receive power levels at the hub modem might reach -125. anything below that level and you've got packet loss/frame error and a shitted up link. that's ONE way. you've got to do that twice. whatever your large earth station covers up, it only does so for limited time. Earth is rotating. there isn't a Newtec modem on that Voyager 1. maybe the DSN is so advanced that it can discern what is noise and what is data BUT Voyager 1 has a hard hardware installation limit. TWTA only gets you so far as does the rest of the hardware.
>>543575030They were orbiting earth before we started flying up there and scared them away. We also have seen sun sipper, also the satellite around one of the gas giant moons, also the star shaped craft seen in the solar observing satellite.
>>543566845I think you've mentioned being an atheist before, so I wonder what you think powers the grand circuit of the universe?
>>543575897and this is my ultimate point. you can sit in the classes and schools and learn the shit BUT when you go out and do it, it's not quite the same. SOMEBODY is fucking lying and it is verifiable. imagine a target away 1 billion miles. now multiply that x16. a 1.2meter antenna is typically used for 2 way comms for moderate throughput (5mbps). an antenna 4 times that size is sending intelligible data back to Earth at 700000 the distance? fuck off.
>>543576160>what you think powers the grand circuit of the universe?of course there is the question of where do these electrical currents come from? Granted that stars are powered by electricity (and all matter is created through this), where does the input come from? What is creating the universe?The short answer is we do not know.We do know that there are vast, hugely powerful streams of charge (electric currents) moving throughout intergalactic space.They might be the result of relative movement between plasma and magnetic fields, or there may be some monstrous voltage difference between two points in the super-universe.We just don't know (yet).But there is no shame in admitting this. It is more honest to admit not knowing than to invent a "hidden dynamo" or some jew god or some other Bullshit to explain it all.also think about how electricity works on every scale, from the microscopic movement of ions in a cell to the massive currents in a galaxy.what we perceive as "universe" is actually one layer of a much larger nested hierarchy of plasma structures.the "input" is a constant flow of charge leaking from higher order cosmic structures into lower order ones.in non equilibrium thermodynamics, dissipative systems dont need a beginning to stay active only thing they need is a gradient.so as long as there is a difference in energy density between the macro structure and our local structure the current will keep flowing.so we are living inside a continuous massive electrical discharge occurring across infinite scales.the implications point directly toward an infinite or at the very least a recursive fractal structure.
>>543576013here's how they did it if you care to read.https://www.seti.org/news/detecting-voyager-1-with-the-ata/maybe write the author and call him a liar while explaining what they did is impossible then post the reply for keks.
>>543576466checked and kek'd
>>543576388It's all very simple. The problem is that you believe you are a macroscopic organism on your planet. Which is actually wrong cause on your own planet there were dinosaurs far bigger than you. We are microscopic pests. The universe is ruled by giants. Planet sized animals. It's fucking scary I know.
Ever heard of Mikołaj Kopernik? He proved earth isn't centre of the world.Meaning your perspective is low iq retarded bait
>>543571554Are you having trouble imagining a radio telescope focusing on a fixed point in the sky?
>>543575351>peddling electric universe in the year of our lord 2026
>>543566708You're starting your causal chain at "evolution" when the metallurgical and geometric circumstances of the earth are precursors to having creatures to evolve. Its also not your idea. Your probably dawkins himself, in which case, fuk u faggot
>>543566074>>543566845You are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive you retarded golems. CGI is all you get in this life, which is more than you deserve anyway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJK1gLHbOxA&t=1136s
>>543566845>>543568781>>543571269I wonder what you're going to do once the time approaches and the "micronova" never occurs and nothing happens, just like every single other schizo "end of time" prediction that has been incorrect.Will you cope? Will you kill yourself? Will you self-reflect and figure out what a joke you are? Will you just move the date further into the future?
>>543576319you are talking to someone who is clinically learning disabled. its a very easy pattern to spot. you cant argue with someone who has learning disability, they will latch onto random shit and proclaim it at the truth ad infinitum
But somehow the big bang happened right? Existence just farted right out of God's anus.
>>543566074>most of /pol/ are unable to solve the breakfast question
>>543566074It's not in 3D realm but on higher dimensions however we can't access them because of limited body that we have but if you go grow spiritually you can experience them
>>543566263The thing that really makes Earth "habitable" for 4 billion years was the collision that formed the moon. The moon itself isn't so crucial, but it sure doesn't hurt. What the collision did was to mix up the composition of the Earth, which brought more heavy elements (metals) up to the surface without raising the temperature so high as to allow them to sink through the mantle to the core again. But the core also got enriched with iron, allowing it to be big enough and hot enough to have a liquid outer core that creates a protective magnetic field, which deflects the most dangerous charged particles coming from the sun and cosmic rays. The collision also blasted more light elements into orbit to form the moon. The result is that Earths surface is enriched with heavier elements, allowing more chemistry and catalysis. The way the Earth reorganized its layers allowed for plate tectonics. Plate tectonics allows a carbon cycle, which is essential for life and a stable habitable surface without too much CO2 building up to form another Venus. So while the moon helps stabilize Earth's precession and Jupiter helps keeps most large comets and asteroids away, what really allowed life to form and evolve on Earth for 4 billion years was that collision that formed the moon.
