This is a black pill none of you are ready for.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0C157Wmm6EDemocratic “Socialists” of America originate from the exact same roots as Neoconservatives. Specifically, they grew out of anti-populist and anti-Leninist tendencies AND Western chauvinism against Third World countries implementing Marxist-Leninist governments to gain their sovereignty. They are "Third Camp" Trotskyists. Both Irving Kristol and Michael Harrington were disciples of Trotskyist Max Shachtman and this legacy is carried by the DSA today.The ideology is also the same. Neocons despise ordinary people. Most neocons were former Trotskyists and Trotsky, likewise, HATED the working-class. Likewise, the godfather of Neoconservatism Leo Strauss saw himself and his students/cult followers as philosopher kings. He told them to view the vulgar masses of people as needing to be deceived so that intellectuals could maintain their power. This is largely because neoconservatism is an expression of Jewish supremacy. Jews believe they are the "CHOSEN PEOPLE" and seek to preserve their ethnocentrism and tribalism against the universal brotherhood of man brought into the world by Christ. You can't separate these things.The Straussian cabal is very real and still holds loads of ideological power within American politics. It's my opinion that the DSA, in spite of claiming to be "anti-Zionist" and "anti-imperialist," are simply the next incarnation of the Neocons and will follow the exact Neocon playbook once elected. It's a known fact that many Neocons from the Bush II era have now since become Democrats and publicly supported Kamala Harris over Trump on the basis Trump wasn't Neocon enough (Bill Kristol comes to mind here). This must be exposed.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNYidsuhaKY
>>543576988Oy vey too long, didn't read.
>>543577048TL;DR -- neocons and DSA both originate from the anti-Soviet ideology of Max Shachtman, who was funded by American intelligence.
>>543576988Just another veneer to hide the dagger of multicult.
>>543577456My belief is the neocons are regrouping and are going to try and spread their influence into the DSA. Ever notice how the DSA hates Israel but equally hates Russia and China? They are pro-Palestine yet simultaneously pro-Ukraine.
>>543576988Bamping although this is way too intellectual for /pol/
>>543577607Who cares? if they wont end multicult theyre just another scripted jewish plant
>>543577869/lit/ will ban me if I post it there.Look up Max Shachtman. He's the patient zero in this entire thing.
>>543577992There's no question this characterization of the neocon Trotskyites is correct. The DSA seems at odds here though as one of their core positions is withdrawal of Israeli support
the idea that neocons were trotskyists was overstated Irving Kristol was one of the few of the original neoconservative s who really were a self described Trot at one point. There was also Seymour Martin Lipset, and Kistol's wife. And a political scientist named Martin Diamond. But a lot of others who gained prominence on the right were either never on the left at all, or if they were, they were either liberals or left social democrats who were opposed to Leninism. This was also mostly when they were either teenagers or in their early twenties. The extent of the Trotskyism of these four people is greatly exaggerated. Because again, they were kids. Kristol was also never a member of any explicitly Trot group. He was briefly a member of the Workers Party of Max Schachtman in 1940. Actually these people were part of a small faction in it called the "Shermanites" which was anti-Bolshevik (so therefore anti-Trotskyist) which caused Schactman to kick them out, and very quickly they began publishing a journal (called Enquiry ) that was criticizing Marxism, Leninism, and Trotskyism. Irving then joined the Army during WWII and at this point no longer considered himself to be a socialist of any stripe. That pretty much goes for all four of these people.Schachtman was an associate of Trotsky but broke with him, later moved to an anti-communist form of social democracy over the following decades and joined the old Socialist Party but Trotskyists got expelled from that in the late 1930s. There were some later neocons who were followers of Schachtman in the late 1960s. This was on the right-wing of the Socialist Party.irving kristol once said, "I was a young trotskyist for 18 months or so........but,even when I was in it,I couldn't take it seriously"(1/2)>>543576988
>>543576988Irving who was the most Trot of them, unlike other neocons, was not particularly enthusiastic about American military force in the same way that others in the Bush administration were. He was more of a realist in the sense that he thought American policy should behave unilaterally yes, but the "crusade for democracy" stuff isn't something he believed in.Other neocons who did call for spreading a "democratic revolution" like Michael Leeden and Joshua Muravchik were not Trots. Muravchik had been a young socialist.The idea that these people are doing permanent revolution is basically ignorant or lying about Trotsky's theory of permanent revolution. It wasn't just "do militarized socialism and invade everyone." It was about how attempts to carry out a bourgeois democratic revolution that would do land reform and achieve national independence in third-world countries would fail unless it was led by the working class in a socialist revolution that would combine and pass over a specific historical stage. That's what that actually was.2/2
>>543578239They are not truly anti-Zionist. They will cave to Zios immediately just like Obama did.
>>543576988No.
>>543578467>>543578514There is a very clear trajectory from Trotskyism to neoconservatism.Also, why were you viciously defending Strauss the other night?
>>543576988If it doesn't trace back through RAND it I consumer grade reveal
>>543579465RAND?
>>543580732The RAND Corporation
>>543578239Read the letter Churchill wrote about how Zionism was an alternative to Bolshevism, conversely Bolshevism could be an alternative to Zionism for some.
>>543581440Every bad idea in the West in the last century started with "We need to counter the USSR..."
i thought i read "necrocons" in the OP and backtracked not sure if i should be happy or sad at what it really is
>>543581661Necrons surely are evil
>>543577104Why is it Neoconservatism reminds me so strongly of INGSOC's ideology? Even moreso than StalinismRight on down to the lust for wasting resources to keep surpluses out of the proles' hands
DSA, trots and neocons are all expressions of elite overproduction. They represent the lower elites that forment the overthrow of old power structures.If we create a quotient of Conscientiousness:Power, then we can score the likelihood that any group or individual will be a part of this restless lower elite.Throughout history, Jews have scored high on Conscientiousness (studious, intelligent, etc) but low on Power (unfavored, exiled, etc). This disparity explains why they are always part of these revolutionary movements, seeking to usurp states. (Sometimes they succeed in reolvution, but fail in ruling, because the complexes and neuroses common to that race make them unsuitable to be rulers, but that's by-the-by).Neocons were just the lower elite, mainly compromsed of Jews, who were butthurt that the WASP establishment kept them out of the elite ivy league training camps, out of the country clubs, and out of power.However, it's not only Jews that meet this criteria; for the last few decades, members of all races have been over-educated and given sky high expectations, and they have now congregated in the DSA movement.
>>543576988Doesn't mean anything, none of that matters, pure aesthetics
>>543581440You can go further back to Balfour's appeal to bolsheviks ruling Russia in 1917. He thought that by promising them a part of Palestine, it would entice them to stay in WWI against Germany. Their repsonse was something like "we've just taken over the whole of Russia, why tf would we care about a strip of desert?!"Now, if the international Jew succeeds in complete dominion over the USA, why would he care about a worthless strip of desert?
>>543578467>>543578514Post this in the comments of Maupin's video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0C157Wmm6EHe will prove you wrong.
>>543580732RAND corporation, the design bureau of your system. eg Hirsch at RAND was a node in the war on intelligence
>>543583297Okay. I posted this in the comment section of his video. If he responds to it, make a thread about it on /pol/, and I’ll know.
>>543576988tldr it's the jews
