ITT: complete military disasters
>>543592482If you're implying that this war is a bad idea or that Trump didn't make the right decision. You're just brown and that means I can dismiss anything you say. How about that???????? Huh!?
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>>543592483Calling it a bad idea or ill advised is one thing. Calling it a complete military disaster is just delusional, though
Stalingrad is still my favorite because it was a disaster for all involved.Iran is going to last at least another 3 years, Trump can't end it without looking even stupider and whoever comes after him can't end it instanly without that also looking bad because it'll take reparations to maintain free passage through the strait.My guess is whoever comes after spends a year destracting everyone from the war then ends it by paying Iran and has another 2 years for people to forget they paid Iran.
>>543592486A complete strategic disaster is very likely, a complete military disaster is very unlikely.
Yes, I know we've won like thirty different times already and eradicated Iran's capabilities a bazillion times over and that they desperately want to make a deal RIGHT NOW (for the nth time), but this is just another unresolvable forever war, isn't it?
What blew up this time?
>>543592490The graveyard. They're coming for your calcium
>>543592486>start war>after using up most of your good ammunition in an unrelated conflict>run out of ammo>get your bases bombed revealing that your air defense sucks>forced to abandon them>one of said bases was your primary naval supply point>this spirals into a supply crisis on your newest nuclear carrier because it was already on extended deployment because you are too slow to build carriers and also you're short on oilers and also you're short on everything else>the crew throws a fit, the carrier has to go into emergency repair>have to pull a different carrier from the Pacific, leaving a capability gap open there for the Chinese to laugh at>oil prices spike, giving your main adversary a giant cash windfall>show the entire world that you can't take one 3rd rate power after posturing as the lone global superpower for ~3 decades>nobody takes you seriously anymoreA complete military disaster would involve more ships sinking, but this thorough military failure has spiraled into a comprehensive strategic disaster.
>>543592487>3 yearsNo. Iran cannot last that long and Americans will refuse to keep paying for that long. 10 months, tops.
>>543592482Real talk what is the /k/ope for the Iran war? This just looks like the Ukraine war or the Iraq war to the normie eye.
>>543592493>Americans will refuse to keep paying for that longWhy do you think the opinions of the population matter in the short term?In the long term politicians can see that being against it is a way to win elections and slowly replace those that support it but in the short term there just aren't elections often enough for public opinion to matter.Lets say in November Dems BTFO the GOP, why do you think they would turn against AIPAC?
irankeks...what's happening? I thought we had it all figured out...
>>543592492this is the US military's MO; tactical dominance and strategic defeat
>>543592494There are a few retards still pretending it's going great but I think the majority here understand it's fucking retarded and was just being best goy for Bibi while he claims Iran will have a nuke soon for his 30th year.
>>543592492Hyperbolic and also funny that>You had to swap one nuclear carrier for another and pay more for gas!Is the measure of a full strategic defeat for Americ.
Why are the BRICS bros seething today?
>>543592495If things continue at this rate for years you will see politicians killed.
>>543592494>the Ukraine war or the Iraq war>implying
>>543592482God Bless Trump. After this America may finally ditch israel for good.
>>543592488>>543592486Not OP but, If you launch a military operation on the basis of trying to resolve your strategic aims and you fail to accomplish said aims with that said military action, then that is a failure. If your military fails to achieve its strategic aims then that is a strategic military failure, regardless of whether the military accomplishes its tactical goals. That being said >>543592482I don't think you can really call Iran a "complete military disaster" similar to how you can't really call Vietnam a "complete military disaster". A "complete military disaster" would infer both strategic as well as tactical failures with non-positive results whatsoever and the total destruction of your military force.
>>543592504A military victory with a strategic defeat has been the MO for decades at this point.>kick the door in>BTFO conventional forces>install puppet government>population fucking hate you>insurgancy continues until US politics changes enough they are willing to seek peace or just leaveHonestly I think the main issue is the US has a powerful military that can BTFO any conventional force on earth which makes the civilian leadership think military force can do anything.The Hill seems to be full of people that think you can invade a country and have the people now living in a warzone like you. Imagine Russia actually takes half of Ukraine, would the Ukies living there be cool with that?
>>543592496Turns out the "if you all go at once they can't possibly hit all of you" strategy actually works.
>>543592496>no sourceNot saying you're full of shit, but you're full of shit until you sauce your post.
>>543592507https://www.cnn.com/2026/09/29/economy/oil-strait-of-hormuz-iran
>>543592496So Iran and the US are both blockaiding it yet 80% is getting through.Honestly sounds like some back line deal where both governments get to pretend their still blocking it while both let it flow.This is good for Iran because money and good for Trump because energy prices leading into an election.
>>543592508Thanks.
>>543592505It's more that "hearts and minds" isn't a valid strategy against a population that already hated your guts before the war began. The only solution involves copious amounts of war crimes and/or mushroom clouds but that's obviously not an option.
>>543592509>So Iran and the US are both blockaiding it yet 80% is getting through.That 80% refers to non-Iranian ships. Why do you think they've chimped out so hard over the past few days?
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>>543592512Definitely explains the massive uptick in /pol/ spam
>>543592513OH MY GOD HE'S A JEEWWWWW?!?!
>>543592515Do you agree with the end of his article?>So the oil market remains at an impasse: an increasingly taxing US military effort keeping up an unsustainable status quo that continues to keep prices high for businesses and consumers.
>>543592492>>after using up most of your good ammunition in an unrelated conflictWhat?
>>543592516more or less, though I'm not sure on the exact costs both economically and politically. but it can be true both that this is unsustainable and that it is actively shifting towards the US' hand (after many months)
>>543592511When dealing with thirdie dictators I think you could win people over by being better and pretending for at least a decade you aren't just their to steal their resources.Say you took over Iran and instead of instantly giving the extraction contracts to US companies and sending the profits to an account in Qatar you left it nationalized.Then instead of being a typical thirdie dictator and buying 300 gold lamborghinis you put that money into improving their quality of life.Within a couple of year they would fucking love you and after 10 you can quietly privatize 20% of the nationalized oil.This way you boil them slow instead of making it clear you are just there to rob them on day one like Venezuela.
>>543592518We'll see. I'm just glad people in the US military are dying.
>>543592491But I need that
>>543592494>/k/ope
>>543592520NTAI'm having a lot of fun laughing at this clusterfuck but don't pretend casualties represent more that a slight uptick form the standard drink driving attrition of grunts.
>>543592519>pretending for at least a decade you aren't just their to steal their resourcesand let the next president take the credit for you keeping oil prices down at home?
>>543592500Eh, could be standard pre-midterm shilling. They were trying to imply Obama was ever supported here a week ago
>>543592523I'm happy when those happen, too. Also,>drink driving
>>543592520well i'm equally glad that iranians do so too, and at a million times greater rate than US servicemen
>>543592526>drink drivingYeah I'm a fucking Aussie, what of it cunt, I'll bottle ya.
>>543592519Preventing nationalization is the entire point, though. That's why the empire overthrew the Iranian government in the 50s. >>543592527I'm just glad we both agree it's good when people who work for the Epstein Empire die.
>>543592519>When dealing with thirdie dictators I think you could win people over by being better and pretending for at least a decade you aren't just their to steal their resourcesI mean, to an extent, yeah. Not when people have the demise of your country as part of their religious imperatives.
>>543592528You'll do nothing but impotently talk shit and let the CIA run your government and use your country as a glorified listening post while selling off all your assets to the Chinese.
>>543592529>I'm just glad we both agreewe aren't, i want to see you brown cheerleaders dead even more than the iranians.
>>543592532>we aren't agreeESL or USMC?
>>543592531>let the CIA run your government and use your country as a glorified listening postthis amount of seething over such a nothingburger isn't normal. why are bunkertroons shilling on /k/ again?
>>543592490Ukrainians are reportedly doing something funny on the other side of the Dnipro River.
>>543592533>we aren't agreeing, as of right now ittrobert or ranjesh?
>>543592534>he doesn't know what happened in 1975ignorant sun-baked bogan
>>543592523The US death toll from the whole conflict is slightly less than the average weekend in Chicago. And heck, half of those were from a mid-air refueling fuckup
>>543592536That would make sense if I said >I'm glad we're both agreeingbut I didn't because that's also some ESL bullshit lmao. Learn to construct a sentence, midwit.
>>543592537>but what about something that happened before i was even borni hope the all powerful CIA finds you and sodomizes you with a bayonet while waterboarding you with gasoline, film it and then leak it right here. just like in the good old days.
>>543592531Yeah I know we have had 2 governments couped by the CIA, that's why I hate your government, you act like ziggers.As for selling off assets we use to have nationalized everything but guess which "ally" didn't like us having nationalized banking and utilities?
>>543592529>Epstein EmpireGo back
>>543592538As it is often said here, killing a single US soldier is akin to slaying a god in the mind of the thirdie.
>>543592539well i barely read your drivel so it's a good thing i still replied well enough to make you seethe about it.
>>543592540"what happened" was there was a coup, your government was overthrown, and you've been controlled by a foreign government ever since.>>543592541You know what's up
>>543592544>proudly illiteratedefinitely USMC>>543592542lmao Epsteinites hate "Epstein Empire" and "Epstein Class" so fucking much
>>543592546it's not illiteracy to willingly ignore shill posts like yours, it's common sense and spam filtration.
>>543592508>>543592496So... when is the gas prices going to drop? They're going to drop, right? Now that gas producers have oil again, they can turn down the prices, right?
>>543592547>willingly ignoring by replying every timekek>>543592548two more weeks
>>543592545that's a weird way to admit that cia's been doing jack shit since then. but i guess you'd spam your epstein buzzwords for any free country regardless.
>>543592549it takes no effort on my part to correct your shilling, it's just that low effort and full of blatant libel and smear.
>>543592550Why would they have to meddle with a government they directly control with a population that consists entirely of prisoners and prison guards? Like I said, your country is a glorified listening outpost / naval base for a foreign government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Gap>>543592551Nothing I said is libelous. I post only facts.
>>543592550Rudd was kicked out with CIA backing in 2010 becuase he said in 2004 that the US lied about WMDs in Iraq and can't be trusted as an intelligence source.
>>543592482Certainly is for Iran and their "mosaic warfare"
>>543592509iran isn't blockading shit you need an actual navy or airforce to do that
>>543592555Why? It's 40km across.
>>543592555>STRAIT STATUS: CLOSED
>>543592517The US has hardly any Pac-3 Patriots left after giving a bunch to THE Ukraine.
>>543592482Another OP banned from the groomed /k/ike board for being right.
>shills abandon ship when the thread gets moved to a board with flagsevery time
>>543592818Read the thread, it turned into a /pol/ thread so this actually should have been moved unlike half of them.And yes this whole Iran thing is fucking retarded.>>543592848I said I was an Aussie on /k/, you just want to ignore that?
>>543592927I wasn't talking about you.
>>543592848oh, it's the commie for a while ago. it's good to know that all the shilling is done by only a few schizos.
>>543593009In that case yeah, I think a lot of Indians have been filtered but now on /pol/ we are exposed to the Russian shills. see >>543592717
>>543593053>for a while agolmao you actually have incredibly poor written communication skills>>543593063How is he a Russian shill for recognizing that the US military did, in fact, use up a good amount of munitions in Ukraine?
/k/eddit - unconditional support for the forever wars subreddit
>>543592482Yet another jewish war started by the jews and their puppets for the jewish ethnostate
>>543593053You still sticking with the narrative this war is actually super popular and everyone loves it?Let me guess, Israel really is the greatest ally too.>>543593143Most of the PAC-3s Ukraine has gotten are from German and Polish stockpiles.
>>543593165Read the thread zigger, most of us think it's dumb as shit just like your failed war of agression.
>>543593216That is not mutually exclusive with us burning through most of ours by giving them to Ukraine.
>>543593143oh no, a minor spelling mistake. I guess you're not a third wold sympathizing commie now.>>543593216>You still sticking with the narrativenope, I didn't say any of that. I just think it's funny that all the thirdie simping was done by a commie.
>>543592482>Judeo-mutt and musloids empires fuck each other over>the third world is running out of oil>small impact on civilised places>complete disasterThis is a win for humanity.
>>543593368I am a third world sympathizing communist because I oppose the capitalist Epstein class the exploits every aspect of this planet for their own benefit. They exploit the land, they exploit labor, and they sexually exploit children. It's a barbaric, savage ideology based theft and rape and murder, around pillaging and terror. And you support it.
>>543593339You sent ~10% of your stockpile, the other ~60% have been used to defend Israel.If you want to blame another country I know which one I would pick.>>543593368So calling the war retarded makes you are thirdie or a commie but you think the war's retarded?
>>543593507Israel and Ukraine are both proxies for the Anglo-American capitalist crime syndicate.
>>543593507>So calling the war retarded makes you are thirdie or a commie but you think the war's retarded?no, being a communist makes you a commie. and that fucker is a communist and a zigger.
>>543593595Israel owns the vast majority of US politicians, Ukraine was just attacked by a geopolitical rival of the US making them an "enemy of my enemy" situation.The same will happen if China goes for Taiwan, it isn't that Taiwan holds power over the US it's that it's in Americas best interests to make Chian bleed.
>>543593710Zionism existed before Israel existed, and it's been pushed by the Anglo-American capitalist empire for centuries. Who actually created Israel? Who funded and goaded Hitler into power?
the jewish mods of /k/ are unhappy with these threads. Anyone mentioning their military humiliated gets removed, lel
>>543593850Hitler came to power with the backing of capital because socialism was gaining popularity and he just larped as a socialist until he took power and instantly privatized banking.The holocaust just created the political will to found Israel and was exploited but not some part of a great plan by jews to have a heap of them genocided so they could get a state.Basic exploitation of disaster same as 9/11, the patriot act, Saddam and the surveillance state.
>>543592555It is been 175 days since a US military ship sailed through there.Why are you so afraid to go in there if it is open?
>>543594103I think we're mostly in agreement on what the problem is.
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>>543594244Yep, many here get to "it's the jews" and never realize it isn't any one race but in reality "it's the rich".I'm sure they will fully support whoever Thiel runs in 2028.
>>543594418You're starting to see a lot of fracturing over this already. I'm cautiously optimistic about the future, but I also wouldn't mind if we all died desu
>>543592927>turned into a /pol/ thread/pol/ threads are demonstrably allowed there just not the ones that mock the Jews, US and all their vassals. Mocking their adversaries/victims is fine.What part of that place being a "groomed kike board" did you not get? The moderation there is comparable to moderation on Reddit - whatever suits their agenda is right./pol/ is infested with shills but at least it's a somewhat contested zone.
>>543594507I think the DSA gaining traction is the first good thing is US politcs for at least 50 years but we are seeing the corpos doing everything they can to crush it.Mamdani doing so well while in office is another bit of good news, after being told he would ruin everything he's rapidly improving things.>>543594596I'm on /k/ the vast majority of the time, when the US wakes up /pol/ threads are generally deleted / moved.That said we know Epstein was Mossad and m00t met him in 2011 so I just assume all moderation on the whole site is mossad.
>>543593216>Most of the PAC-3s Ukraine has gotten are from German and Polish stockpiles.and where did they get the missiles from, genius?
>>543595056>the US sells missiles to Germany and Poland>Germany and Poland give them to Ukraine>Ukraine took all of Americas missilesAnon do you sell your car and then complain you can't get to work?
>>543595138>Germany and Poland give them to UkraineGermany is an occupied vassal state of America. It has tens of thousands of American soldiers on it. Do you think America was not involved in this decision? Particularly when the jews in America, Kagan and Nuland did everything possible to create this war (i.e., by instructing Zelenskyy not to surrender or negotiate in 2022).
>>543595496So you think the US sells arms and then can demand them back, the buyer has to comply and the US continues selling arms to anyone ever?Yes the US is the big dog and they have a heap of political influence but that has limits.Why do you think the US can't fly over Spain, Switzerland, Italy, France or Austria to bomb Iran right now?
