Top biblical scholar destroys christcuckeryhttps://youtu.be/2STiabRV8TE
>atheist revisionists are the real bible scholars
>>543599924I will go further and say that we have no fucking idea of what Jesus claimed because from the start we have three very different accounts of what Jesus said from Gnostics, Ebionites and Christians
>>543599924Jesus correctly learned in India that Everything is an aspect of God
>>543599924Is it worth watching?
>>543600129Gnostic texts are later than Pauline epistles and synoptic gospels. Ebionites are just judaizing gnostics according to iraneus. The problem is the gospels themselves
>>543599924What a crock of shit. Jesus never existed to begin with. It’s a man made fairy tale!
>>543600312Yes
>>543599924Based. Cuckstains BTFO
>>543599924>If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
>>543600051Yes
>>543599924>Top biblical scholar>has a jewish face
>>543599924> lemme reinterpret a book that has been interpreted by the church for 2000 years> surely they haven’t thought of this!This guy is a scammer. He knows he basically invents history
>>543600346Watch bart ehrman debate with Robert price (mythicist). Adam green keeps pedaling mythicist shit too on /pol/
>>543600051H was still a Christian when he studied at seminary school. Studying the Bible is actually the #1 answer people give for abandoning Christianity. The Bible's a mess and it's clearly not divinely inspired. A good example is Judas' death. He's an important character in the story, but the writers couldn't even decide how he died. One story says he hanged himself and another story says he fell down and his fucking guts exploded out of his body.
>>543599924> (((Erhmann)))
>>543600530Yeah lets just trust how islamic scholars interpret quran or rabbis interpret Torah dumbass
>priest presents the revolutionary but simple truth that you do not need a priesthood or a church to know God, and humans should simply love one another>gets murdered>is transformed into the figurehead of a new church led by a new priesthood with an ultra-authoritarian deity (which he is said to be), with scripture he never wrote being used to justify authoritarianism, slavery, war, etc, while supplicants are forced to eat his flesh and drink his bloodyeah it's pretty clear this shit got subverted hard after they killed him,
>>543600312Yes if you want your brain literally rot.
>>543599924>(((Ehrman)))lol sage, kys redditnigger
>>543600346I tip my cap to you good sir!
>>543600640>>543600631>>543600606>>543600603>>543600592Cuckstainity was created so Jews could have a slave race to worship them.
>>543599924I honestly don't care what you believe, but if you're response to evil is to get on your knees and pray harder, you're fully psyop'd and enslaved, no better then cattle.Basically exactly the same as the "just vote harder" retards.
>>543600530He uses FUD and pretends to be open minded, but it's just rabbinic opinion. He doesn't produce anything that contradicts the bible, he just keeps shrugging and saying>we just don't know that it happened that wayIt's only compelling to people that like to hear him say those things.>>543600531Green is pushing gnostic judaism, that's what the mysticism is all about. Ehrman is pushing secular judaism. It all has the same goal.
>>543600583>>543600558>>543600531>>543600530>>543600445Reminder cuckstains served kikes from the very beggining of the relgion. Any claims of Jewish persecution thourohgout history are just as false as the Holocaust. Cuckstainity was created to serve the Jews.
>>543600558in the early narratives judas was probably invented as a scapegoat to cover for the collective betrayal of the numerous members of jesus' inner circle who collaborated to murder him. it wasn't until paul (who wasn't even there) brought his pharisaic imagination to the story and realized that judas wasn't enough, that the blame needed to be cast on all of humanity as a binding metaphor. frankly a brilliant stroke, which is why he fell off his donkey when it occurred to him. of course he just made the whole thing up.
>>543600697You mean Protestant heresy
>>543600558>here's my paraphrase of a bible story that i'm loading my narrative into.Chapter and verse please
>>543600698>>543600709>>543600360Cuckstains have a weird fetish
>>543600558>one guy says he crashed his car and another says he fell off a cliff
>>543600346He existed. Nobody even debates that.
>>543600312You should watch the naza and tell all your friends to watch it keke
>>543600808Will AI ever get fingers right?
Cuckstain hate thread
>>543599924Round glasses scream Jew. Why would I watch this? Lol.
>>543600583Can't believe this post took so long/pol/ has fallen
>Jesus never said that he was dying on the cross to atone for the sins of mankind!>In fact, he was pretty unhappy about it>He complained that it hurt and he felt abandoned by God>Therefore the entire biblical interpretation of the crucifixion must be a lie because Christ didn't say "Okay, I'm going to go up on the cross now and atone for man's sin">He didn't say that!t. Benji Edelman
>>543600312If you enjoy confirmation bias, go for it dawg
>>543600558Also a lot of chapters were cut and altered by greek scholars 1800 years ago, prior to the council of Nicaea, so /pol/ can't even blame da liberal jooos or fedora atheists for it.
>>543600854All evidence is literally>Some Jewish prophet got crucified at around that timeThat's literally it
>>543600798It's not a paraphrase, retard. Judas hangs himself in one story. In another story he falls down in a field and his intestines burst from his stomach. That's literally what the text says.
>>543599924>Bart Erhmanlol
>>543600997https://www.houseofnames.com/ehrman-family-crest/jewish
>>543601067So find the text then, it should be easy. Use the KJV too as that's considered to be the most authentic English Bible.
>>543601067>chapter>and>verse
>>543601050The Romans knew who he was. They didn't think he was God or anything, but he existed.
Christians are not human beings.
>>543599924How does that destroy Christianity that just destroys the Catholic ChurchJesus specifically says that the Father is greater than I [Jesus] It's not some revelation unless you're Catholic
>>543599924Yes, he did, and Ehrman is hellbound, literally.
>>543600333As far as I see it, Paul was already bitching about other groups in his letters especially the Ebionites.Gnosticism grows naturally from Philo of Alexandria who was contemporary to Jesus and his teachings are popular with the first followers of Jesus.Judging the matter entirely on existing writings alone isn't very reliable for things so old because most ancient texts remain lost (even counting only with the ones we know for sure to have existed from by second sources, for example most of the Troy cycle is lost)
>>543600899>>543601284>>543601232>>543601212>>543601199It’s AI saaaaar!!!!
>>543601304>>543601197>>543601192>>543601173>>543601086Reminder cuckstains spread sodomy by th sword. They spent 7 trillion dollar promoting sodomy and pedophilia in Afghanistan
>>543599924Why should i listen to somebody who doesn't know how to brush their teeth? We used to institutionalize retards like this
>>543600854christkikes are such liars
Cuckstains invade countries that have banned sodomy
Reminder the entire reason cuckstains attacked Iran is because they weren’t sodomy friendly enough.
>>543601392Evangelicals are not Christians you filthy kike
Cuckstains spent 7 trillion dollars trying to promote pedophilia in Afghanistan after the Taliban banned it when they took over.
>>543601419>>543601473look at this mad kike
>>543601419The mix of Christianity with a liberal state has created a schizophrenic nonsense
>>543601532KIKEIKE
Cathlocucks are the undisputed world champs of child rape!!!!
>>543601532KIKE
>>543601590KIKEIKE
>>543600854>>543601415Historically, there is far more evidence that Jesus existed than most Greek philosophers. Now whether he is the son of God or not is a different matter but the man Jesus very much existed.
>>543601532FILTHY KIKE SUBHUMAN TRASH
>>543601473It wasn't even Iran or associated militants doing that
Cuckstains put their descendants in generational bondage by taking out 7 trillion dollars in loans JUST TO PROMOTE PEDOPHILIA in the Middle East. Thats what cuckstains did!!!!The entire false religion is based on being a gay cuck
Why are jewish rabbis such MASSIVE pedophiles?
>>>video is over an hournah>Jews expected a messiah not GODCorrect. "Messiah" just means "king." The Jews wanted their kingdom back (since they had been conquered) and there were actually a lot of bandits claiming to be "the messiah" or "the king" like Simon Bar Kokhba. Many other "messiahs" predated Jesus, mostly bandits. None of them had either wonders or even much of a theological angle. There was a promise for a king to save the kingdom, and people wanted to sign up for the job.There's a whole other side of the issue where the old Abrahamic religions were modeled on the paterfamilias "family structure" of the time. Back in the day when people had slaves, the head of the house was "the father." The slaves he owned were legally property but treated just like children:>slaves help out around the house>slaves sleep in the house>slaves don't get to decide anything unless they've been good maybe>paying slaves is optionalThere was an infantilization thing going on with slaves because when they all got along, the slave-master dynamic wasn't far off from the child-parent dynamic. Back to Bible God, Bible God was "the head of the house" or the paterfamilias of the whole religion, since he decided everything. Everyone who followed Bible God was "a slave to God" (literally what the books say). This sounds like shit to us but a lot of people were slaves and being a slave for someone rich was a pretty good deal since you at least lived somewhere nice. Nowadays people don't like slavery so it was translated as "servant of God" instead which is fine. But you can apply the slave-master or child-parent dynamics to the believer-God dynamic which is what the books do sometimes. In this case "the children of God" are the same as the "servants" or "slaves." So you could argue "Son of God" could be a male person following God's commands. Don't forget other people like Moses allegedly worked wonders and could also be considered a "Child of God"
>>543601705PEDO TRASH
>>543600445Lmao he looks like the typical Ashkenazi Jew
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2STiabRV8TE>atheist former conversor knows the Bible better than you, goy :^)kys kike
>>543601639There are exactly the same as any of the presocratics cited only by secondary sources
>>543601733why would you want to watch a kike shit on Christians for 1 hr?
There's just not enough evidence for Yeshua bar Yosef being a real person in Galilea in the year 30 CE, and there is certainly no proof that a person walked on water, multiplied loaves of bread and resurrected from the dead during that time either Curious how christians push Bart Ehrmann, a scholar who coincidentally wrote a book dedicated to mocking and deriding mythicists, and saying that Jesus was a real person
Cuckstainity is completley ridiculous
>>543601415
>>543601783broken clocks are right sometimes
>>543601783More like whine about Christians. Ashkenazi Jews spend most of their lives complaining about Whites, especially White Christians.
>>543601830do you have the knowledge to figure out when the kike leis to you all the time?
>>543601786Watch Bart's debate with Robert Price (one of the main champions of mythicism). He destroys Robert. Stop watching Adam greenberg
>>543601503I've come to find there is no true christian apparently when you ask the terminally online ChristNats. Every other denomination is always wrong and complete heresy, despite being a minium 90% similar, and even the majority of people in their denomination, including all their living authority figures and institutions are not true christians when asked.Caths, Orthos, Prots, etc, 99.999% of living christians are apparently not true christians when you ask the terminally online, just them and their online echo chamber on ifunny and tiktok that agrees with them are the only true christians.
I guess if you shut your eyes while reading John.
>>543601733Can you reddit/twitter tourists go back?
>>543601882Bullshit.Orthodoxy has been the same since the death of Jesus Christ.
>>543601786The problem with Ehrmann that I have is the same with every historian of the King Arthur or Robin Hood that it's them ending with a character that only has the name in common and little moreBut Robin Hood was totally this guy from the Baron's War *checks it* vaguely similar
>typing the "Christ" in "christcuck" was causing the kikeshills too much psychic damage so they're trying to shift it to "cuckstain"
>>543601971Yes, yes, and every other denomination claims they are always the only true one.
>>543599924Yes he did We are all the children of God
>>543601197Matt 27:3-10 and Acts 1:18
>(((charity)))>feeding the starving poor of israel
>>543602022Many such cases. They can't even use "+".
>>543599924This is Alex O'Connor's pet theory he thinks is genius when it's cringe nonsense. He tries to use the Bible as a source for why Jesus isn't God; in debates he's had he blatantly excludes immediate context surrounding passages to make his argument more sound when if you read a full passage he's quoting from his argument falls apart.The main problem with that though is that the Bible was formally put together and approved by the Roman Church, an official theological institution that had already decreed that Jesus was God. It's like cherry picking the Constitution to prove that America wasn't intended to have a federal government even though we know the entire historical context already and that such a concept is blatantly false and retarded.
>>543601199>The Romans knew who he wasNot really
>>543602055You don't know anything.
>>543599924religion was born from drug addicts
>>543600798>>543601197>spoonfeed me>spoonfeed mee>spoonfeed meeeeeeethat's not the way /pol/ works newfag.Anon dropped a crumb and it's up to you to either pick it up and do your own research or drop it and remain ignorant.fwiw - "scholars" excuse for the discrepancy is that Judas hanged himself, the rope snapped, and he landed on sharp rocks.
>>543601705KEK.
>>543602089Rabbinic Judaism is conditioned by Christianity in such a reactive way that's ridiculous
>>543599924Yawn, cringe midwit gotcha take.He did not as He was not suppose to. Self witnessing /testifying was considered false by default back then. You needed a third party to confirm you and /or Works witnessed by others - in His case it was God The Father and His Works witnessed by the whole people.John 5:31-4031 “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not [a]true. 32 There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the witness which He witnesses of Me is true. 33 You have sent to John, and he has borne witness to the truth. 34 Yet I do not receive testimony from man, but I say these things that you may be saved. 35 He was the burning and shining lamp, and you were willing for a time to rejoice in his light. 36 But I have a greater witness than John’s; for the works which the Father has given Me to finish—the very works that I do—bear witness of Me, that the Father has sent Me. 37 And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form. 38 But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe. 39 You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. 40 But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.AlsoMathew 16:16-1716 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in Heaven.
>>543601871When it comes to Biblical stuff you can always dig up texts and translations. When it comes to "who sank the USS Liberty?" type stuff the game is totally different.>>543601952I don't use reddit, don't use twxtterI've been posting on 4chan since 2009
>>543599924*sensible bart chuckle*
>>543602055People make truth claims all the time. There is only one truth and many potential falsehoods. Just because many people are wrong is not a logical proof that someone cannot have a correct answer. We use logic and the platform of formal debate to discern these things. I've been irreligious my whole life but because of that have a neutral perspective, as far as philosophical strength, historical congruity, etc. Orthodoxy is easily the strongest Christian theology that exists.
>>543599924>Top biblical scholarHe doesn't understand the phrase "I am" but, I'm not surprised his tiny satanic brain won't let him.
>>543601872Price is not a mythicist as far as I'm aware >Adam GreenbergWhat is it with christians calling mythicists kikes?
>>543602055>claims they are always the only true one.Except Orthodoxy is the True One.You know why?Bc of continuity. No inovations, no schisms, just straight - orthos.
>>543602418It's very funny because the first mythicist was a Prussian nationalist
>>543602258You can spend a lifetime trying to figure out kike''s lies. It's much easier to avoid kikes altogether and not engage them at all. Just expose them as kikes instead.
>>543601733Except that Jesus explains what he means when saying slaves and sons in John 8. He is the legitimate son of God, and we are all, at best slaves. Our freedom can only come from the son.
>>543602418Price is one of the main mythicists along with Richard carrier
>>543602165>>543602290>>543602441Like I said, every denomination claims the same.But as I said here >>543600698If all it does is turn people into complacent drones who respond to evil by getting on their knees and praying to the sky to solve all their problems, you truly have to accept you really are no better then the cattle they call us. But then again, such teaching already encourages people refering to themselves as farm animals such as flock or sheep, sheeple if you will.
Christians are always citing this guy saying that even he agrees Jesus existed. But he denies that hes God and probably even that he's the son of God? The Bible is fake and the Hebrew Torah was created by jews with access to the Library of Alexandria. Its way younger than jews claim. None of that shit happened. Christianity was created to subvert the Gentiles. But it's entirely textually fair to believe that Jesus is God. Anyone who believes that Jesus existed but wasnt God or the Son of God is a Noachide faggot.
>>543599924> Before Abraham was, I am. He didn't even read the Bible. Also, if you did you would know the story of Jesus is filled with examples of awestruck people asking him who he was and him saying: "you tell me who you think I am." and them going: "You're God." so he could prove he wasn't a cult leader he was just being himself and his identity was self evident.
>>543602794That's my main issue. He basically call Jesus a guy who has very little to do with the Jesus of the Bible
>>543602761>everyone claims to be rightObviously. You are attempting to make the leap that it is impossible for anyone to be right because everyone thinks they're right. All this really means is that there's a bunch of wrong people and possibly one person who is correct. You can figure out who is correct using the power of logic/metalogic.
>>543602794Check Wikipedia article for christ myth theory. Its considered climate change denial tier fringe
>>543602086He recieves funding and visibility boosts from the same people that promoted dialogue and judeo-christian dispensationalist heresy.
>>543599924What do you call that phenotype?
>>543602898Vampire
>>543602794>Christianity was created to subvert the Gentiles. Woah, the gentiles were subverted into... forming the greatest most scientifically advanced civilizations, banning usury and discriminating against jews on the basis of their ethnicity and religion for the first time rather than just if they were a citizen or not... woah.
>>543599924We don't actually know what Jesus said. The NT is a big book of cope his buddies wrote after he was killed.
>>543602489>don't figure shit out just ignore shit and hate what's unfamiliarthis mindset works short term sure but give it long enough and people will forget all sorts of shit.>>543602640This could just be a rhetorical device. Being called a slave was a factual term, being called a son instead was a euphemism.Even there in verse 38 he equates "sin" as a father. The comparison between being a slave to sin and being a slave to God is direct, like they're two competing houses and one is really shitty.Jesus uses language that appeals to the people around him. Comparing houses and their slaves was an easy thing to grasp back then.
>>543602184The burden of proof. The other shill's assertion has no backing. it is not quoting anything and is therefore a baseless assertion.
>>543600161That‘s correct, aryan fellow
>>543602990> the gentiles were subverted into... forming the greatest most scientifically advanced civilizationsThe greatest and most scientifically advanced civilization came from the European enlightenment (return to reason over dogma) and the renaissance (rediscovery of antiquity). And before that, ancient Greco-Roman philosophy/academies. Most Christian eras were violent, primitive, and full of poverty.
>>543599924Most people don't know that a bunch of priests convened and decided that Jesus said so in Nicaea, rather than him saying so. Until then his teachings were understood to be different and they proceeded to purge all Christians that didn't follow their orders. Not to mention how metaphorical interpretation allows pluralism of understanding.
>>543603183It's more of a question about the limits of natural metaphysics that would have happened regardless
>>543603040>could be>was a euphamismSo could it be, or was it? You're using 'possibility' to nudge your way into certainty.
>>543602990Pagan larpers struggle because their exposure to Christianity is limited in the west largely to Freemasons and their philosophical waste (dispensationalist Protestants et al) who are basically just goy jews. But you are correct. Christianity for the first time introduced the concept of the jew being a unique other who represented the personification of immorality and rejection of God in a people group. Prior to Christian thought Rome operated on a civic nationalist basis and only cared if you were a citizen; Christian theology introduced the concept of ethnic thought from Judaism to Europeans but flipped the script; Jews were not the ultimate special people group they wanted to be but in fact became the ultimate representation of a group that rejected fundamental truths about morality and virtue in society.This is why after Rome became Christianized, whether a jew was a citizen or not took a backseat to whether they were a jew, which was not the case before. Even if a jew was a citizen under the Christian Empire they faced unique limitations on account of their ethnic and religious background which did not previously exist. I also have a theory that this new concept introduced by Christianity is what eventually allowed for a formal understanding of racial science, in addition to all other empirical sciences which rely on Christian philosophical assumption (a stable, measurable natural world that can be freely experimented on without superstitions preventing it)>>543603183Historylet take. Read up on Byzantium more.
>>543602794>Christians are always citing this guy saying that even he agrees Jesus existed.Bart Ehrman is not some special anomaly where he's the "special history man" that says it. Virtually every historical scholar agrees on the existence of Jesus, but Bart Ehrman is one who goes one step further in grifting an Atheist audience and becoming their "hero". He's a junk food peddler for Reddit Atheists to soi out over.
>>543602870Just because Orthodoxes are most likely to be correct doesn't mean they are. They're just obviously less incorrect than the Protestants with >muh bible (has numerous errors, flaws, points of doubt, circular logic to establish its authority) and Catholics with >muh pope (several have been disingenuous pieces of shit). Appeal to tradition may be less obviously shitty than the alternatives, but it's a fallacy for a reason.
>>543603404Thats fair. I guess they do say specifically that "even Bart Ehrman believes Jesus existed."
>>543603389>Historylet take. Read up on Byzantium more.Byzantium is extremely boring. "Western" Rome and Greece of Antiquity are significantly more interesting, produced greater minds, produced greater moments in history, and on top of it much better art works and industrial output.Plato, Aristotle, Augustus, Julius, Virgil, Homer... I could literally go on and on. Byzantium offers little.
>>543599924For our side this guy isn't good enough either. He thinks jesus existed for sure. That claim has no basis.
>>543599924Did he shave his large beard?
>>543603389>Historylet take. Read up on Byzantium more.the punching ball that survived on the shoulders and intellectual output of its pagan betters while losing it all like a bitchgood example you got there coproderm
>>543603478He's used a lot because he's a popular face, but I've listened to his rhetoric and am far from impressed. He constantly moves from "this is a defensible historical reconstruction” to “this is obviously what happened.". He's effective because he's already confirming his audience's anti-Christian bias, so they feel no need to scrutinize anything he says. Christians literally don't even need Bart Ehrman for their historical argument, they can pick any historical scholar that agrees on his existence, but like I said, he's a popular face.
>>543603521The reason you even know anything about Greek philosophy and culture whatsoever is because it was carefully preserved and archived across centuries by the Christians in the East, dunce. Plato was considered a virtuous pagan because his philosophical contributions aligned extremely well with Christian theology and philosophy centuries later and proto-Christian Greek Philosophers is one of the key reasons Greece became rapidly Christian.
>>543603339Yes being called a son or child was euphemism for being called a "slave."> You're using 'possibility' to nudge your way into certaintyChristians cling to the most comforting and self-aggrandizing fantasy imaginable and just shut out everything else because it's easy to do that. It's embarrassing, it gets nowhere, and it sabotages understanding. This is how things like "the rapture" got invented.I tend to clarify things if I'm not completely certain of them. If Jesus is "the only Son of God" then it paints a dark picture for Christianity if everyone is supposed to be a child of God. Wouldn't that be disappointing?
>>543603701>pagans have libraries for centuries upon centuries but the only reason you got 1% of them is thanks to this hip jewish religionI'm always amazed by how thoroughly colored like human feces americans already are you wouldn't catch a congolese kid spewing pipul this hard
>>543600781>muh sectarian copeYou all still end up serving jews in the long run anon.
>>543603701>The reason you even know anything about Greek philosophy and culture whatsoever is because it was carefully preserved and archived across centuries by the Christians in the East, dunce.PRESERVED FROM WHO? WHO DID THE DAMAGE? WHO DESTROYED SO MUCH OF THE CULTURE OF ANTIQUITY ANON!? Ah, yes, the classic, "b-b-but our priests preserved it". Who banned it, and made state sanctioned campaigns?(it was christians)
>>543603768So true, you should get together with the other 7 based pagan Italians and restart the pantheon like you had when the Emperors paid tithes to the second temple (lol)
>>543603404The söyence, especially social is political posturing.What made Jesus canon after almost a century of agreeing in that he's a character was the triumph of the US in WWII.Think it the other way, without Jesus would anyone call you the brother of a negro? Would Israel be worth defending?
>>543601503>no true christian fallacyhow jewish
>>543603812>PRESERVED FROM WHO? WHO DID THE DAMAGE? WHO DESTROYED SO MUCH OF THE CULTURE OF ANTIQUITY ANON!I don't know, who? Surely there's a source for this information.
>>543601573>>543601595>>543601627You realize kike isn't even a real slur right? It was made up by a bunch of jewa lmao
>>543603838look at the squatting guatemalan ape making more shit up as he goes isn't he funny imagine the people at the zoo seeing him
>>543603042traditionally burden of proof lies on OP of thread.anything else is up to you to research.quit being a newfag cancer that killed /pol/ and type "how did judas die?" into a search engine. or better yet, just fucking read the book. as a /pol/tard you are expected to be well informed on WWI history, WWII history, as well as 1st century/Roman Empire history.start by reading the bible alongside Suetonius, Tacitus, and Josephus.as far as 20th century history goes David Irving has numerous books regarding most of the topics discussed on this board. you are ignorant by choice. now's the time for the scales to be lifted from your eyes.you're welcome.
>>543603926>I don't know, who? Surely there's a source for this information.There sure is! Let's look... oh... Christians finally got control of the Roman empire and their puppets started mass state campaigns against local culture, belief, and reasoning.>destroy 90%>preserve the remaining 10%WE DID IT CHRISTBROS
>>543600312just open a Bible and read through the Gospels. You also have the procession as he was going into Jerusalem to fulfill Scripture. Then there's John the Baptist also identifying him as well as the apostles. Even the centurion at the cross says it after Jesus dies. Bart is eihter gravely mistaken or a liar.John 8:58: "Very truly I tell you, before Abraham was born, I am."John 14:8–9: "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father."
>>543599924>Some faggot who looks like a pedophile v Saint JohnI wonder who to listen to
>>543603988Correct, Rome became the chosen Kingdom of God and was the instrument by which God punished the jews. They then became His people (Christian) and started the basis for 1600 years of European global domination. This is basic Christian theology.
>>543604041>just open a Bible and read through the GospelsOkay and? The order of events, the dialogue, and even what happens are mutually exclusive between the gospel accounts. Try it next time you read the New Testament. Write down the narrative beats and compare dialogue and then ???? Like I did
>>543600756Now do Justinian's laws from the byzantine empire
>>543600445The guy is jewish just by the surname even if you never saw the face. This is the first post that kind of noticed, get your radars checked so it happens faster. Now why might a jewish guy deny the divinity of Christ?
>>543603888WWII happened in the 18th century?
>>543604077>They then became His people (Christian) and started the basis for 1600 years of European global dominationoh yeah nothing looks like domination like immediately losing the entirety of southern territories of Rome, become backwaters depending on fucking translations of translations bought by arabs(who also conquered even Iberia btw) while every single original christian land is conquered by a handul of camel rapists but oh shit I get it, Europeans only became dominant globally with the colonies thanks to LE CHRISTIANITY™ 1500 years afterwardsmy goodmess you must be truly brown like human excrement Zambo, genuinely a shit colored christhominid
>>543603389>the christcuck lies as naturally as he breathesJews didn't face any limitations under christian rule, they recieved extra-legal protections and benefits nobody else got.
>>543604026How do you think Christians got control of the Roman Empire? They defeated everyone intellectually, which resulted in the most educated (Emperors and their courts) converting. Christian theology is impenetrable. This is why the peak age of philosophy saw Christianity usurp everything else. Imagine gaining an objective, scientific understanding of the world as it is and then having to deal with legions of plebs who still unironically think giving animal meat to some shrine is getting them a magical boon. I'd root that shit out immediately. No more niggerdom.
>They defeated everyone intellectuallyAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>543599924I was reading a book by this guy about different religions' concepts of heaven and hell, but stopped when he said he stopped believing in God because the world is mean.
>>543604198You seem to have an understanding of the world where White Europeans are inferior niggers or something and haven't accomplished anything since pagantards got btfo in 300 AD. Have a little pride. Or are you a shylock as I originally suspected?
>Revelation 5:13. And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth... heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.”
>>543604301>You seem to have an understanding of the world where White Europeans are inferior niggers or somethingthat's you, you are the one 120% convinced Europeans only did shit because of a vile jewish cult of slaves and women like christianity, your feces colored christanimal skin is showing, Zambo
>>543604171What are you even talking about? Before WWII the main position in Europe started by a Prussian Nationalist was that the Bible was Myth perfectly reasoned by doing literary analysis demonstrating that they aren't actual events but a literary device.After the US wins the WWII the academia gets absolutely destroyed in many topics by whatever narrative the US is interested in pushing.Most of the Jesus was real pushes correspond in time with the start of the zionist movement and their later wars
>>543604239>How do you think Christians got control of the Roman Empire? >They defeated everyone intellectually, which resulted in the most educated (Emperors and their courts) converting. >Christian theology is impenetrable. This is why the peak age of philosophy saw Christianity usurp everything else.How did the communists get control of so many countries? I guess it was all just high IQ XD XD XD. Totally not the fact that you're a corruptive subversive destructive ideology that coups anything it can and makes use of the plebes.
>>543604239>be jewish conversos because gentiles weren't allowed to be christians yet>subvert and scheme and murder your way into power>1600+ years later some retarded mutt who didn't even descend from rome or the levant is schizobabbling wewuzzery about intellect
>>543604328I think Europeans are a blessed race which is why they've always accomplished great works, but we unquestionably reached our scientific, artistic, and cultural zenith when 99 percent of Europe was devoutly Christian. I don't know how you could deny this. As I said, Europeans didn't even have a concept of racial/anti semitic theory until Christian philosophy formed the backbone of these ideas.
>>543599924>jewish atheist tries to swindle goys, reddit falls for itKikes gotta kike. Never forget, they are Edomites and the children of Cain. They are not Israel. Abraham was told a prophecy that in the future, his blood descendents would adopt the name of the messiah who would save them. Only white civilizations called themselves Christian. Aryans fulfilled a biblical prophecy that self-idenitifies them as racial Israelites. Jews are just Edomite snake oil salesmen peddling 6,000 year old magic tricks they learned in Babylon.
>>543604390>how did communists get control of so many countriesMass murder and exploiting human suffering? This is how Islam, communism, etc. rose. Christianity did the literal opposite.
>>543604341What you're arguing is that there was never "Jesus was historical' movement prior to WWII, which is false. Obviously, there were skeptics, but the opposite wasn't non-existent. Honestly, it doesn't really matter, the historicity of Jesus being established doesn't help Christians as much as they think, because it allows a ton of people against them to control the narrative of "We affirm the man, and now we can go wild in separating the man from the Christ". It's arguably more effective than just saying "Jesus never existed".
>>543604411> As I said, Europeans didn't even have a concept of racial/anti semitic theory until Christian philosophy formed the backbone of these ideasAHHAHHAHAHAHAH you lying cunt Pagan Rome chased jews to the ends of the known earth trying to cull their numbers and get their insane cults under control, they stamped out every single jewish nation and organized group they came across.>Meanwhile christian rule resulted in jews controlling the western world
>>543604411>I don't know how you could deny thiseasy, by having an IQ above the african/christian average I understand the difference between an accident and a cause, Europe also reached its zenith before penicillin, doesn't mean penicillin is the cause of our downfalllikewise, when one looks at the history of christianity outside of Europe, in particular west Europe which was at the complete opposite extreme of where christianity first originated, grew and spread, one clearly as day sees that it did not cause any civilizational achievement but quite to the opposite decay and conquest by foreigners just as they are now finally bringing upon Europe itself with their armies of brown animals like you
>>543604393>subvert and scheme and murder your way into powerCan you name an example of when Christians did this in antiquity era Rome and how it resulted in the state religion becoming Christianity?
>>543604505>Mass murder and exploiting human suffering?So Christianity.>This is how Islam, communism, etc. rose. Christianity did the literal opposite.Nope, sounds like Christianity to me. Banning local/antiquity works, banning social gatherings, banning social identity, banning local belief, and imposing state power over anyone who disobeys.
>>543600697I really hope christcucking, especially this type, dies with the Boomers. Thankfully I see few young people in this video.
>>543604505You say that like the Northern crusades and Black crusades didn't happen, you lying cunt.
>>543601192the reference is from Acts. and the problem here is the lack of general knowledge about the authors of the books. in Matthew, we are told Judas hangs himself after throwing the money in the temple. In Acts 1, Luke describes the ending of Judas. Turns out, if you hang yourself in the middle eastern sun and nobody takes you down, bacteria and gases build up, especially in your stomach. turns out, you're going to pop and your intestines will indeed spill out. so, the burial ceremony common at the time is described in different places showing there was concern for a body after death. Luke wrote that part about the intestines and his profession was a doctor so it would naturally be a bit more descriptive on this matter.
>>543604543>jewish nationThis is the key and I think where your understanding collapses. Back then there was a jewish NATION. Rome thought like a civic nationalist. Ie there are citizens of other nations and Roman citizens. If you were jewish and a Roman citizen in pagan Rome you faced absolutely no push back and in fact had multiple privileges. This is why jews became a significant problem after the exodus, because they went and became citizens in Rome and suddenly Rome didn't give a fuck anymore, which allowed them to operate freely. Christianity introduced the idea that they are a race scorned by God, which is what caused them to be singled out specifically on their ethnic/religious identity under Christian legal codes when they were introduced.
>>543604041btw John was the newest book added to the Gospels in 95-100ad. These are also the only two verses Christians can point to for divinity.
>>543603746>Yes being called a son or child was euphemism for being called a "slave."So before they were 'maybe' metaphores for general concepts, and now the terms are DEFINITELY metaphores for eachother?>mixes a gish gallop with a mote and baily and ambiguity.Your style guide needs some work. Email your boss and demand a new toolkit and a paycut.
>>543604516No I wasn't I'm arguing that Jesus is a myth was the mainstream position in Europe up to the WWII and only changed after the WWII because of American influence in continental academics.That's because it is useful for the stablishment to keep the right Christian because they won't question universalist dogmas such as the existence of a humanity that's equal or the need to protect Israel
>>543604557At what point in Rome becoming Christian did they utilize mass murder to gain power? Please name an example.
>>543604545Yes I can, actually.>the defacing and tearing down of Pagan roman temples>the outlawing of pagan god worship>the mass killings of Europeans who refused to convert
>>543604545Saul was a kike scammer. He made your Jewish scam religion.
>>543604589That was after Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire, which is what we are discussing.
>>543599924just like that jew that's now in charge of a catholic bible groupglad jews are setting the record straight on what jesus really said
>>543604007>gish gallop
>>543604694Probably around the Theodosian prohibitions era and onwards, where cultural identity and belief was pretty much legally suppressed. Do you know what legal suppression is? Imagine if right now you wanted to go to Church and I just got a bunch of guards to come and take you away and wreck everything? Yeah...
>>543604672>pilpul and lying this hardChristian rome literally gave jews legal protections and guarantess FAR above and beyond what they granted anyone else.see picrel: >>543604201
>>543604705>the defacing and tearing down of Pagan roman temples>the outlawing of pagan god worshipThis is not mass murder. Also, once again, imagine you're an educated Roman Emperor who understands reality in an objective way and you see legions of plebs throwing animal viscera at some shrine because they think it'll give them good luck. Stamping out white people acting like Hindu niggers is a good thing and obviously elevated our race further.
>>543599924Ive barely read the bible but jesus directly states he is god and gods son many times. The fuck is this kike on about?
>>543604788Mass murder was part of the process you duplicious snake.
>>543599924How is he so subversive yet not a jew? That's impressive.>>543601050Major events regarding Jesus were recorded in Chinese records. They called him the "Man from Heaven." They even acknowledged his death as payment for the forgiveness of sin.>"Summer, fourth month [of the year], on the day of Ren Wu, the imperial edict reads, “Yin and Yang have mistakenly switched, and the sun and moon were eclipsed. The sins of all the people are now on one man. Pardon is proclaimed to all under heaven." - Chronicles of Emperor Guang Wu
>>543599924I have yet to find a coherent explanation of the creedal trinity. Its just unbiblical. God the Eternal Father > His Son, Jesus Christ > Holy SpiritAll this weird trinitarian shit about homoousios and consubstantiality was developed later by hand-wringing theists.
>>543604763>where cultural identity and belief was pretty much legally suppressedOh no, they heckin suppressed retards still clinging onto superstitious cults like niggers? Oh the hecking humanity, how could Christians do this...
>>543600558>Studying the Bible is actually the #1 answer people give for abandoning Christianity.No it isn’t you pathetic fucking retard
>>543604848You're literally part of a superstitious cult, dumb nigger. At least classic philosophy had a sense of reason to it.
>>543604832Once again the original conversation was about Christians utilizing mass murder to become the state religion of the Empire. This never happened. You are referring to acts performed by a Roman Empire that had already fully converted to Christianity and was justifiably acting to civilize the surrounding areas as they always had.
>>543604239>They defeated everyone intellectually,Not at all true, they generally didn't even try argument, that was for degenerate Roman philosophers in their view, early Christians proudly rejected the idea of knowledge or that you'd need to read any book other than the Bible. There was just the assertion of their truth, which was done via extrajudicial violence and then violence under the color of law, against those who practiced the old religion and the temples/libraries it was practiced in. Constantine wasn't converted by argument, his mom probably pressured him into it and he said it happened all at once on a battlefield. Argument is never mentioned. Meanwhile the violence, both before and after state sponsorship, is swept under the rug to pretend that Christianity won with no effort, making it seem more powerful than it was.>an objective, scientific understanding of the world as it isEarly Christians completely rejected the world as an illusion that would go away, how would a "scientific" understanding of the material world come from them? The atomists, who were pagan, had a much closer understanding of reality as we know it now after actual scientific inquiry than any Christian. Christians in the days of the "victory" of Christianity were hiding in desert monasteries doing Buddhist shit like starving themselves or standing on pillars for months at a time, not doing scientific research.Which by the way, was their version of making sacrifices. The followers of the old Roman religion made sacrifices at temples of things they had, Christians just changed that to sacrificing themselves to gain magical boons like the "Holy Spirit." That was the starving, giving up material goods, punishing themselves, even castration; sacrifices of the self to gain the grace of Christ. Which is crazier? Making a donation to a local temple to get a magical boon or whipping yourself to get a magical boon?
>heh gonna show 'em jews by considering them a metaphysical central people in the history of mankind chosen above all to receive the law, the prophets and now metaphysically bound to be kept alive as jewsbecause our messiah(we love jewish words) must convert them before armagheddon(love jewish words, did I already say that?)>we're so super duper epically hostile to them their population explodes in numbers so much that they are able to recreate their own state in the middle of judaea with out placet and money>did I already tell you how super duper incredibly hostile to jews our religion is?
>>543604770Don’t forget that cuckstains allowed kikes to coroner the market on usury. They would murder anyone that attempted to give the kikes any competition.
>>543604685Well if you want to be pedantic the entire speech of Jesus COULD be a rhetorical construction and the euphemism of "child" for "slave" is a common historical fact.While I'm here to push or check ideas, I don't have anyone paying me to do so.
>>543604888>the christcuck continues to lie as naturally as he breathesThe process of converting Rome to christianity involved mass murder.
>>543604884Both Aquinas - who argued for the existence of a god purely by reason - and Kant, who wrote “a critique of pure reason,” believed in the Christian god. You are an actual retard just using words you roughly associate with being correct.
>>543604929>a battle is mass murder Retard
>>543604931>Aquinas>reasonhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_many_angels_can_dance_on_the_head_of_a_pin%3F>Thomas Aquinas's Summa Theologica, written c.1270, includes discussion of several questions regarding angels such as "Can several angels be in the same place?"
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>>543604884Christianity is anti-superstition. This is why they stamped out paganism once it became a state religion. Christianity defines the natural world as a stable, measurable thing which can be freely experimented on. It did away with concepts like an ancestor tree or spirit pools where certain natural areas were "sacred" or "off limits". This is why Christianity formed the basis of modern empirical science, because its philosophical core embraces free experimentation and study of all natural phenomena rather than ascribing it to evil spirits and other retarded shit like that.>classic philosophy had a sense of reason to itCan you be specific? "Classic philosophy" was actively debated against Christianity for centuries in Antiquity and was completely btfo because it couldn't answer things like the reliability of individual perception on accurately understanding the external world.
>>543599924this. it's shocking how christkikes believe in JESUS as their god and not God. jews really did a number on people by trickin them to wear gore around their necks. JESUS is a Christ which literally each one of us individually. Kingdom of heaven is thru me literally means you and only you yourself can either go to hell or to heaven via own mind. the fact that jews and jew golem sayin christianity belongs to jews and came from jews is enough for me to know whole christianity religion is fake and psyopted.
>>543604988Kek. Saved
>>543601971>Orthodoxy has been the same since the death of Jesus Christ.Lol imagine actually believing this.
>>543604929>The process of converting Rome to christianity involved mass murder.When did this occur? Can you cite what event you're referring to?
>>543604958>a battleThe conversion of Pagan rome to christianity was a long process of over 200 years you stupid fucking cunt, it wasn't one battle it was a process from one town to another, tearing down and vandalizing pagan temples, burning pagan literature, and executing pagans who refused to convert. This exact same process was reused again when christianity was soread through the rest of Europe. it's funny how christcucks stop bragging about christianity being spread by the sword when we point out it was forced on Europeans in that way too.
>>543605033>Christianity is anti-superstition. Your core belief is a magical resurrection from a single source. Your idol of worship hasn't been discussed or noted by any first hand party. The only source is literally the Bible. It's so hilarious how you fail at every single post and you don't see the irony.
>>543604691You could argue that post-war politics did shape interpretations, perhaps even edging into zionism, but to say "Europe agreed Jesus was fictional until America won WWII.” really needs to be qualified, because there were ton of other people before that were arguing for a historical Jesus. Again, I'll put on the record that historicity being established by anybody doesn't help Christians as much as they think, and they shouldn't be too much stock into it to validate their faith. They should stick to the theological.
>>543605033look everyone the shit colored christurd is doing the meme
>>543605033>anti-superstitionYeah nothing says anti-supersition like jewish fairytales about talking snakes, virgin births, and a jewish rabbi who can ressurect himself from the dead.
>>543605161Hey! Americans are Aryan Nordic supermen!!
>>543605033>Christianity defines the natural world as a stable, measurable thing which can be freely experimented on.This sentiment is not to be found in any part of the Bible. Scientific inquiry came in with the Enlightenment, which was spurred by the rediscovery of ancient Greco-Roman thought, not the Christian thought that Europe had been simmering in for centuries at that point.
>>543599924>Known as the Son of God for 2,000 years>Akshewly Jesus never claimed to be GodIs Atheism the most retarded "intellectual" movement ever created?
>>543600558You've never listened to Ehrman if you think that is the case. He became agnostic because of "muh suffering" in the world. Literally "why god if suffering ?" Another leftoid retard.
>>543604907>the theology of 'could'the religious creed of>'well, maybe, but we just don't know'Nice contribution
>believing what a kike says Jesus saidNot gonna happen.
>>543605089The same event you're talking about you retarded fucking cunt, the conversion of Rome to christianity. It's amazing how the majority of>left wing>right wing>christiandiscourse is just them playing dumb
>>543599924Jesus (Emanuele) never claimed to be Jewish either. And never claimed to be the son of some Jew's God.
>>543605120Correct, the resurrection is a fantastical event that represented a direct manipulation of reality by God with many witnesses. The fact that it was such a strange and abnormal event is defined by the fact that reality normally has a very objective, standard way of operating based on an established order. This is the opposite of superstition. >>543605161So now you admit that the "classical philosophy" you referenced actually does share much in common with Christianity. Getting there.>>543605179The Biblical canon is a direct explanation for why the world is objective, measurable, can be experimented on, why we can trust our perception of reality to be accurate, etc. This is why it is anti superstition. You seem to be pissed about Christians stamping out retards offering sacrifices to statues for personal benefit, do you think that's actually supposed to be "true" and represent an objective way of understanding the world?
>>543605203>>543605203No, youre just a retarded cuckstain kikeslave.
>>543605241But you'll perish in hell with all the trannies and hindus. You really want that?
>>543599924>I and the Father are one
>>543605311Says your Jewish book of fairy tales.
>>543605203>we had an atheism monument that was in danger of being crushed by a dwarfThose jews are cheap with their statues
>>543605241Well I've got some bad news for you then lil bro, because jesus was as jewish as everyone else in the bible who talked about him
>>543605279When in the process of Rome becoming Christian between say 100-350 AD did Christians ever mass murder their way into power?
>>543605311>but you'll BLAH BLAH BLAH NONSENSE BULLSHIT AND FART NOISESJust fuck off, retard.
>>543603412They’re retarded flat earthers that think Peter and Paul were venerating myrrh steaming icons in the first century. Orthodoxy is the least intelligent Christian tradition outside of defending the Trinity. Reformed Christianity is too high IQ for these illiterate zoomer converts. Remember, if you see a bunch of zoomers hopping on a trend, it’s likely a retarded one.
>Aristarchus already positing a solar system like our own with heliocentrism and casually even figures out the formula to calculate the distance of the earth of he sun centuries before the putrid rabbi>Aristoteles' physics is capable of describing motion of a body in a fluid, centuries before the putrid rabbi>chriturd be like: WE WUZ EMPIRISM
>>543600854Bro...
>>543605304>Correct, the resurrection is a fantastical event that represented a direct manipulation of reality by God with many witnesses. The fact that it was such a strange and abnormal event is defined by the fact that reality normally has a very objective, standard way of operating based on an established order. This is the opposite of superstition.Uh-huh. This thing you've never seen and has no supporting evidence 100% happened, just like talking snakes, floods that cover mt everest, insane amounts of animals surviving on a little wooden ship (the fuck were they eating? XD), sarah giving birth at 100, a woman becoming pregnant via magic... all of this is not superstition? Because... because it would hurt your fee fees otherwise?HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHA
>>543605304>he continues to lie as naturally as he breathes
>>543605136>They should stick to the theologicalThey can't because they need the cosmology to be true in order to extract a metaphysic.That's what I'm talking here >>543603306 is that religion has it existed traditionally (not this private belief thing of liberalismdied when the natural metaphysics proposed by Christianity started to diverge from observation.At that moment two contradictory realities were being accepted simultaneously about the nature of the world.So this is why it is basically a lost battle
>>543605241
>>543605304>So now you admit that the "classical philosophy" you referenced actually does share much in common with Christianity.no fucking shit, everything in christianity that isn't retarded bronze age semitic monkey superstition was looted directly from the Hellenes
>>543603521Byzantium sucks lol. Blame these eastern fuckers for the rise of Islam. Mohammadeans took Egypt because orthotards kept on persecuting Copts over pedantic differences in christology. Copts converted willingly when the Arabs arrived, that’s how repulsive orthodoxy is. These fuckers deserved to lose Constantinople.
>>543605335>>543605368I will pray for you both. Your eyes will one day be opened and you will see the truth of Jesus
>>543605439What is your proposed alternative? The things you're describing sound fantastical because we have a normal baseline of reality to compare it to which is typically undergirded by specific rules set in place by the divine mind/God. The reason those were written about is because they were explicit violations of typical reality for a specific purpose. It is internally coherent. You must be able to explain a reality that is defined by objective and consistent laws and rules if that's the route you want to go, which you cannot do.
>>543605547Can Jesus start opening those eyes and showing some "truth" instead of just having his worshippers beg for conversion like street bums?
>>543605573>What is your proposed alternative?I'm proposing that you get a brain and start self-reflecting on your own posts because its comical what a mind-captured brainwashed slave of a man you are. Accusing everything you don't like of magic/superstition while claiming what you like is a "explicit violation" is some strong fucking copium and comedy gold at the same time.
>>543600346Jesus the person literally existed. There's more evidence he existed than there is for Aristotle. Cry about it.
>>543605365>continuing to play dumbDuring the entire process you duplicious little snake.
>>543600854Lying jew
>>543605687Not an argument. Explain from your own perspective the basis for reality having objective rules and laws that cannot be violated which we can reliably understand from the limits of our perception. Rome converted en masse in the most intellectual echelons of society because nothing else could answer this beyond Christian theology.
>>543599924>Top biblical scholar destroys christcuckeryUntil the jews are destroyed utterly and to the last, I dont care about dealing with Muslim and Christian problems.And if Jesus doesnt make the cut, then the jews really, really need to be destroyed utterly.
>>543605346Pls clap.
>>543599924(((Top scholar)))Ah yes indeed
>(((ehrman)))>>543600051>atheistBut even if he was correct, that means paganism is the truth and judaism is a lie. Expel the ethnic invaders from the homeland.
>>543605790>Not an argument.It is though. You can't just take two absolutely bullshit claims and say yours is "God's act" and the other's is "evil magic or superstition". This is ridiculous. >Rome converted en masse in the most intellectual echelons of society because nothing else could answer this beyond Christian theology.Oh, so we're back to this, right? Just like communism took over so many societies, because it was sooo amazing at getting intellectuals to align with its thoughtful and reasonable view?
>>543599924>>543600051Jesus never directly claimed that. The temple priests asked hin if he was god and he retorted “what was John the Baptist?” and they shut up.
>>543602184>that's not the way /pol/ works newfagjewdar going off on high alert.jew is pretending to be an oldfag.Alarm! Alarm!The jews need to be destroyed utterly and to the last and pilpul like this is reason.
>>543600592The only people who have anything to gain in this argument are muslims and jews. So which are you, kike?
>>543605835You can't deal with the jews without also dealing with muslims and christians>they are all spiritual brothers/cousins>christians have ALWAYS sided with jews throughout history. Every. Single. Fucking. Time.
>>543600558>A good example is Judas' death. He's an important character in the story, but the writers couldn't even decide how he died.JesusYou are the dumbest person in this thread and that's saying something.
"I am who you think I am" is a pretty non-answer.
>thread where atheist trannies basically carry water for a jew while in another thread they'll spam "miga"We've long past the point where bsky users needed to be rounded up.
>>543599924It's going to be so nice not having a bunch of cucks around to completely miss the point of the Bible and religion in general in heaven. Imagine an existence without people you never heard of trying to get attention by denigrating Christianity. That alone will be exponentially better than this life.
>>543605929>It is though. You can't just take two absolutely bullshit claims and say yours is "God's act" and the other's is "evil magic or superstition". This is ridiculous.I can though. The Bible is composed of the rare and unique times in history where God directly manipulates reality from its baseline rules for a temporal purpose. That's why it's in the Bible, and it's always because God has direct agency. You're attempting to imply that shrine sacrifices and ancestor trees and similar pagan retardation are the same, but they are not, because these would violate reality having baseline natural laws since there is no direct will or reason behind these things. That's what superstition is. Also, if they are the same in your view, I take it your position is atheistic vs pagan? Otherwise it seems you'd just be throwing stones in a glass house.
>>543605989>You can't deal with the jews without also dealing with muslims and christiansWrong.With jews one needs to destroy about 20,000,000 - to get the entire cohort, the synagouge of satan, all those infecting Syria Palestina, and all those who say they are jews, but are not, and lie. The "other way", as you suggest, schlomo-kike, is to "deal with" 2 billion Christians and 2 billion islamics.Yeah, the easy path is simply to destroy the synagogue of satan utterly and to the last and then deal with the Christians and islamics. I would venture to guess that if all the tird world subhumans were returned to their ancestral homelands, there wouldnt be much to do without the God damned jews fucking everyone and everything in the ass with their banks, education, entertainment and news. The jews must be destroyed utterly and to the last, and that is totally doable.
>>543605976>kikestop using this fake slur made up by jews, it's like a pajeet calling a White man timmy, it just rolls off like water.
>>543606080>muh trannies mup de do bix nood muhfugguh gibsmedat doe fr fr cuh
>Before Abraham was, I Am don't >>543599924waste time talking to edomites
>Bart Ehrman>Richard Carrier>Richard DawkinsWhy is every atheist a fucking grifter?
>>543606151lmao no it doesn't little kikel what's wrong? too scared to use a plus sign? can't use an x? +oooh so scaryfuckin weirdo
>>543606139>wrongI'm not though. christians and catholics are the entire fucking reason jews have any power and protection today>christcucks gave jews a legally and religiously guaranteed monopoly on money lending in Europe>2000 years of brother wars to give jews control of europe, many hundreds of millions of White europeans killed.>forced conversions of millions of europeans on threat of death if they refused. Millions of Whites were hunted down and killed for refusing to convert>waged two world wars to give jews control of the rest of the world, killing another 80+ million White people.>helped jews wage the cold war, killing another 40 to 60 million in bolshevik jewish gulags/death camps>defended jews when they commited the holodomor>the church smuggled as many jews out of harms way as it could during every progrom in European history>the church convinced spain to put expelled jews on boats to the new world instead of killing them>the church defended the jewish slave trade by sending White christians to kill berber pirates that attacked the jewish slave ships. >christcucks in America allowed jews to create the federal reserve and completely hijack American finance, and just about every single other industry.>christians in America let jews completely trash their culture VIA holywood and the entertainment industry>christcucks in America have been fighting jewish wars for them since WW1, arguably even the civil war.>christcucks vehemently defend Israel while it robs them blind and fucks them in the ass>the church helped smuggle jews out of the post-collapse USSR, into the US and Israel>the church followed along with, defended, and preached feminist ideology>the church helps smuggle known paedophiles within their ranks around the world to avoid prosecution for their abuse of children>sicut, fucking, judaeis
>>543599924*A* son of God, we are all sons of our father God. I am of my father I am not my father.
>>543606260>no it doesn'tLmao it was literally a slur based on a fake story made up by a jew you fuckin retard
>>543606109>I can though.Yes, and what you are doing is called hypocrisy and deceit.>The Bible is composed of the rare and unique times in history where God directly manipulates reality from its baseline rules for a temporal purpose. That's why it's in the Bible, and it's always because God has direct agency.And every other superstitious person will make the exact same claim on his work and view. And? >You're attempting to imply that shrine sacrifices and ancestor trees and similar pagan retardation are the same, but they are not, because these would violate reality having baseline natural laws since there is no direct will or reason behind these things. They also have their own bullshit reasons for why it happened. In fact almost all religions do, going much further back than Christianity lol. You don't understand just how much in common you actually have.>Also, if they are the same in your view, I take it your position is atheistic vs pagan?My view is that you don't get to decide what this world is or what God is unless you provide actual irrefutable evidence. You have NO evidence over any of these claims. They have as much value as every single other religion and text work, which is as much evidence as Harry Potter and LOTR have over them being "real".
>>543606267>I'm not though. christians and catholics are the entire fucking reason jews have any power and protection todayNot always true.Darby/Scofield backed door christians with kikes.So, jew-kike shill, you are making impossible goals to preserve the jews.The jews are destroyable at only 20 million at most.Convincing 2 billion Christians to "give" up does nothing about the jews. The Christians have at times almost destroyed the jews several times. They certainly knew how to chase them out of town until Darby/Scofield. You must now denounce the talmud and go on a rant about how filthy and suggesting the jews are of you are a proven kike.
>>543604973> the phrase was originally used in a theological context by 17th-century Protestants to mock medieval scholastics such as Duns Scotus[2] and Thomas Aquinas.[3] Whether medieval scholastics really discussed the topic is, however, a matter of debate. The suggestion is possibly an early modern invention that was intended to discredit scholastic philosophy.
Bart Ehrman is a historicist retard.
>>543606427Conveniently misses the important part, which was included in the original post.>Thomas Aquinas's Summa Theologica, written c.1270, includes discussion of several questions regarding angels such as "Can several angels be in the same place?"Why must you always try to lie?
>>543599924jesus didnt write the bible
>>543606442Historicist who isn't christian. Jesus is a mythological figure whether or not he existed.
>>543606564Yeah he did. The entire world couldn't even hold the books of everything Jesus did
>>543606275This is what Jehovah's Witnesses believe in their new world translation
>>543606394>these handful of cherrypicked guys invalidate the reality of how the world turned out. >calls me a jewish shill>tries to offer me an esau gambit. I want all of you abrahamic filth dead, along with the other various trash like jeets. >the christians have at times almost destroyed the jews several timesLMAO no they fucking haven't. historycally jews have consistently THRIVED under christian rule. >Europeans kick jews out>christcuck traitors smuggle them out of harms way and bring them right back, every single fucking time.get fucked you disingenuous cunt>retarded purity test a lying jew can just lie about because their talmud is a book of arguments and loopholes and horse shit.I denounce the talmud, the torah(OT) and the tannahk, and you're a retarded cunt for thinking this is an argument.
>>543605161lol you may as well swap Jesus out for Abraham.Theyre all based on Plato
>>543605948He did claim it at the end of John 8, >58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.>59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.And again in John 10, picrelBut as Jesus states in John 8 verse 45>And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.None of the shills here care what Jesus said, because their purpose is to oppose him, not to refute him or to find the truth.
>>543606482there's a reason he cant stop lying.
>>543606342>evidenceMetaphysical claims deal with things prior to this, numbskull. Ie whether the world your mind perceives is actually real and external or an illusion. Figuring things like this out and explaining how it is possible is prior to discussions of evidence because “evidence” implicitly relies on human senses being reliable and accurate perceivers of an objective external world allowing the concept of “evidence” to have any weight in the first place. If you cannot explain the relationship between your conscious limitations and the external world going on outside of it and how you can reconcile them nothing you say is relevant.
>>543606934>there's a reason he cant stop lying.All Christians lie. Actually, its better to say "deceive". They use these really slimy as fuck strategies in their quest of "converting". Full of half-truths, subtle little off-topic digs, hypocrisy, and sneakiness. They really are gentiles with a semitic mind (but without the IQ of their masters). Scummy fucks.
>>543606786>I want all of you abrahamic filth dead, along with the other various trash like jeets.Yeah, so you and what army, brown/kike shill?2 billion Christians and 2 billion muslims, yeah, whats your plan?>LMAO no they fucking haven't. historycally jews have consistently THRIVED under christian rule.k>get fucked you disingenuous cuntThats your plan? Calling people who want the jews destroyed disingenuous cunt? Who will join your army to destroy all abrahamics to the tune of 4 billion?>I denounce the talmud, the torah(OT) and the tannahk, and you're a retarded cunt for thinking this is an argument.If its not an argument, why did you do it? I gave you a simple task, destroy the small cohort of the world pulling all the strings, and you obsess over changing 4 billion minds.Why bother.If the jew is destroyed utterly and to the last, most of that 4 billion wouldnt be your problem. You are either stupid or being paid to keep people's eyes off the target, the destruction of the jews is doable.Anyone distracting from the smallest possible cleaning operation simply doesnt want any cleansing to happen.
>>543606564>dare you retarded? bible is literally a translated copy of Torah. I do agree with you that kikes that claim to be jews for the past 2000 years aren't the real jews and didn't create torah
>>543600346Same historian in OP’s video
>>543606306go look up the Israeli plus sign right now
>>543602990No? If anything, it was the inconvenient truth of reality that forced them into those things.
>>543602184you can just ask your phone unc
>>543607122the authentic letters of paul disagree, jesus was a mystical being. he had brothers in faith and appeared in visions. bart is scared to debate someone like richard carrier.
>>543607016Humans are not slaves to senses dumbass. We are progressively better at reasoning, understanding, building world models, and deriving the naturally unseen reality. What you are trying to do is sneak in magic and externally unprovable systems into a reason. When we get to this point, pretty much any claim can hold up. Why the fuck do you think God would ever choose a route that cannot be proven and instead relies on the same magic as a bum on the street claiming that he can shit out a dragon. Fucking absolute baboon, you claim to stand for the truth then you want to refuse everything that makes a truth a truth.
>>543607089> Calling people who want the jews destroyed disingenuous cunt?Yes, because it's been a proven lie. christians and catholics side with jews EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME. You enriched them, defended them, fought their wars, married your children into their families, and gave them rule over all your formerly christian nations. >If the jew is destroyed utterly and to the last, most of that 4 billion wouldnt be your problemOnce again, you can't do anything about the jew without first dealing with christians and catholics, because you ALWAYS side with jews. EVERY. SINGLE. FUCKING. TIME. >You are either stupid or being paid to keep people's eyes off the target, Stop projecting.
>543607260>authentic>muh no true scottsman
>>543607262Most probably supernatural phenomenona in general are 4D traces of 5D or higher objects as interpreted by the mind.The whole business is pretty pointless
>>543607082Serious question: were you molested by a priest or did something else bad happen to you related to Christianity? I’m sorry if that’s the case but I’m not trying to lie, only to show that you’re using a 400 year old lie in the exact way it was made to be used 400 years ago
>>543607441>Most probably supernatural phenomenonaThere are no documented "supernatural phenomena". Pretty much everything we legitimately have evidence for existing, we have either come to understand, or in the process of it.
>>543607273>noises that make the jews happy>..No plan.Just ranting and raving and blaming the Christians which were clearly back doored by jews due to Darby/Scofield etc.Thinks getting "angry" at Christians on 4chan is a way of destroyed the jews.Kike-serving brown leaf, you will get traction with jew hating here, Christ hating, why bother, everyone knows the jews puppet them, show the Christians that puppeteering dont blame those who have been deceived. You are either a retard, a useful idiot, or a knowing agent for the jews.The destruction of the jews is becoming ever more possible, everyone under 50 hates IsNotReal, and everyone under 30 hates the kikes and wants to use gas for real this time.
>>543607462>no u, u lieK, keep me updated.
>>543607153>he believes in jewish claimsAnon they're fucking with you, and you're a fucking retard if you're falling for it or giving it any permanent space in your brain.
>>543607570>Just ranting and raving and blaming the Christians which were clearly back doored by jews due to Darby/Scofield etc.Christians and Christianity have been backdoored since its inception. Imagine a religion that effectively elevates one people and one culture to near-Godhood as a privileged group.
>>543607273nah, it hasn't been proven. i haven't done any of that. now go on point at the flag on this post and say something to the effect of ascribing every deed this country has done to me. i'm thinking you aren't really Canadian. where are your parents from?
>>543607570>oy vey stop blaming the people who kept siding with jews every single fucking time throughout historyEnough of your schofield/darby/sectarian hebrew nonsense and copes, jew worshipper. >lashes out like a wounded jew because he can't argue with the points I madeAll you're doing is proving my point about christcucks.
>>543607659>Christians and Christianity have been backdoored since its inception. Imagine a religion that effectively elevates one people and one culture to near-Godhood as a privileged group.This is not the case. Darby/Scofield wouldnt have been needed if the Christians we kike-allies by defalt.Most Christians see jews as the Christkillers by default. It doesnt take much to turn them into cleansing agents.Its easier to tell the Christians that jews killed jesus, which is true, than to get them to stop believing in Jesus or God.After Martin Luther wrote The jews And Their Lies a LOT of Christians became more aware of the jewish problem.
>>543607659>>543607789>samefag
>>543607494What we understand as supernatural phenomena being most probably caused by natural phenomena in a higher dimensional plane interacting with this 4D plane*Like when a person draws in paper
>>543604682Matthew 3:17Matthew 16:15-17"“But you,” he said to them, “who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Then Jesus said to him in reply, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you but my heavenly Father"
>>543607789>jew worshipper.I work against the jews. You are either working for them or are a useful idiot by taking the focus off the God damned jews.>>lashes out like a wounded jew because he can't argue with the points I made>All you're doing is proving my point about christcucks.Wrong, all you're doing is flailing about like a fish on the bottom of a boat and serving the interest of jews because you think it will be easier to mass convert 2 billion Christians and 2 billion sand niggers to your line of thinking than to just gas the 20 million that need to go.Learn to focus or fuck off.If everyone who could would destroy just a single jew in the next year they would all be gone.
>>543607866>coping
>>543607942>I work against the jewsBy worshipping a jew, believing in jewish fairytales, and shilling for a jewish offshoot faith that is made entirely by, for, and about jews. LMAO nigga please>wrong>schizobabble coping nonsenseFor the fifth fucking time, You can't do anything about jews without dealing with their defenders, because christians and catholics always come to their defense. traitors first, you dumb lying, backstabbing snake.
>>543607852>This is not the case. Darby/Scofield wouldnt have been needed if the Christians we kike-allies by defalt.Yep, it wasn't needed. I don't know why you are so fixated on Darby/Scofield. It's like looking at a small crack in your drywall when the entire foundation of your house is fucked.
>>543607260Nah Bart is for sure correct and RC is a fraud.Christ Mythicism on it s face doesn’t make much sense.Jesus does not fulfill any of the major prophecies of the OT. It’s why the jews never accepted him as messiah. The only rational way to read the Bible is the way Bart reads it: Failed Jewish Messiah failed to fulfill the Old Testament. His followers try to cope with this by twisting the facts but there is only so much they can do because his actual life is well known.If you’re just creating a completely mythical character scratch, well Christianity would have none of the major problems and plot holes it does. Just as one example, the whole Bethlehem vs Nazareth issue would never exist if you are just crafting the guy out of absolutely nothing whole cloth.
>>543600051You should see who the American Catholic Church is employing, or who heads the Church of England
if god wanted to tell me something he could have either told me personally or at the very least created a uniquely unambigous authoritative source with no alternatives or debatesthis entire "you just gotta have faith bro" business reeks of either human manipulation or a "prankster god" enjoying the chaos, and i honestly see no reason why i would desire to worship such a thing
>>543608352Seems like a simple solution would've been for an all-capable creator god to create some sort of unbreakable monument with his rules clearly written on it. Shit this god can do miracles, surely he can make this big magic sign readable in any language too
>>543608595Sorry goy, I mean guy, all you're going to get is this vague text written by the same few priests that contains only information known at the time and culture of said time.
>>543604598Acts says he fell headlong or head first. That's not how a hanging body would fall. Sounds more like he dove off a cliff.
>>543605210just a reminder that not a single christgolem has ever given an answer to this.
>>543606482He just explained to you what the phrase you're quoting as some sort of gotcha originated from. Then your claiming it didn't originate from an insult and instead Aquinas literally argued it because the phrase was used in the paragraph you read before reading the origin of the insult. You are very dumb. You're flag tells me you're Indian, so that doesn't surprise me.
>>543607494What about bees flying and a pitcher throwing over 120mph? Also ghosts.
>>543608904You're an idiot. The phrase that part relates to is "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?".Aquinas work contains a separate related point "Thomas Aquinas's Summa Theologica, written c.1270, includes discussion of several questions regarding angels such as "Can several angels be in the same place?".Chriggers are subhumans.
I’m glad that the dead piece of shit is dead, whatever his claims were.Realise that a dead man can’t have power over alive ones.
>>543608259>Jesus does not fulfill any of the major prophecies of the OT. It’s why the jews never accepted him as messiah.Jesus fulfilled all of them. The jews didn't accept him because them not accepting him was part of the prophecy. Him being crucified by the jews is part of the prophecy. What the fuck are you smoking?
Rundown of the Chrigger.>can't read>constantly tries to deceive everyone>tries to trick the less informed into his views>constant use of chutzpah like his masters, from which he has learned well>extreme hypocrisy of claiming his preferred "miracles" are works of god while "miracles" he doesn't like are "superstition">can't make great art>can't debate
>>543608996>bees flyingWe know how they fly, slow motion cameras exist and biologists research all this shit for a living. >a pitcher throwing over 120Humans are really, REALLY good at throwing things. Our first real use of tools was being able to chuck rocks at other animals in ways they couldn't do it back.we got so good at it we now use guns to chuck refined metal rocks hundreds of miles, at hundreds or even thousands of rounds per minute. >ghostsThere's no real legitimate documented hard PROOF that ghosts exist, all we have is eye witness claims and movie magic
My beliefs are simple. God himself shows up to lay down the law once in the New Testament, in Revelation 21:8>But as for the cowards, unbelievers, detestable persons, murderers, the sexually immoral, and those who practice magic spells**, idol worshipers, and all those who lie, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. That is the second death.>**pharmakois ("drug addicts" is my best guess)These words from God Himself are totally against the standard Christian belief of salvation through faith where simply believing grants you access to heaven. This breaks the rule about lying and the rule about believing too.
>>543609092And then the guy goes on to show you the origin and meaning of the phrase and you plug your ears and keep repeating your point as if he didn't rebuke it. You're not very smart. You're flag tells me you're from India.
>>543609391actually my beliefs are really complicated but when it comes to the fundamental question of eternal life this seems pretty cut and dry
>>543609421>muh boogeyman mup de dobe quiet spic
>>543609464I accept your concession. You're not very smart, being Indian and all. You should probably stop eating poop all the time.
>>543609421The phrase "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" is a 17th-century mocking of medieval scholastics like Aquinas.Aquinas works actually contain phrases such as "Can several angels be in the same place?", which the latter is mocking.I cannot make this any easier or simpler. I'm afraid I simply cannot communicate with sub-70 IQ individuals.
>>543609535>m-m-m-muh boogeyman mup de do bix nood
>>543608136>By worshipping a jewJesus wasn't a jewWhy does this upset jews and their brown pets so much?They already hate Jesus so who cares if it's pointed out he wasn't a jew?>because christians and catholics always come to their defenseChristians literally marched across Europe to Jerusalem to genocide jews you silly lying ratWhy are anti-Christ jews and their brown pets always liars?
>>543609563Anon we're near the end of the thread, we're at the point where the christcucks have just given up and are resorting to shitting up the thread to hit the limit and start over in another thread like none of this ever happened. truly spiritually semitic indeed.
>>543609689I wish that was the case. Unfortunately most Chriggers are legitimately just very dull in the head and close to mental retardation. Maybe they really do need a Rabbi to follow, I can't see these people making it through life without one.
>>543609655>jesus was't a jewYes he was lmao your own bible claims he is numerous times. >Christians literally marched across Europe to Jerusalem to genocide jews you silly lying ratLMAO no they fucking didn't>Why are anti-Christ jews and their brown pets always liars?Why are you projecting so hard?
>>543609577>>543609689Arguing with literal jeets is below most Christians pay grade. Stick with eating dung because of the spirit powers it gives you, insect.
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