Can a leaf whitepill me on how realistic it is?
>>543616716There's a narrow possibility but it's probably not going to happen unless you take it
>>543616716they’ll import a bunch of non-albertans to cheat the vote in favour of remaining same as the quebec separation votes. should have let quebec go, honestly. bunch of fucking parasites…
no
>>543616716Even 25% in favour of separation should give Trump a reason to annex
>>543616716They've been doing plenty of research on this for years and it's never going to happen. Far less than the majority want to separate.If Quebec can't do it, there's no way Alberta ever will.
>>543616716they already imported a bajillion foreigners and also have used politics to get the indians to support Ottawa over separation.
no because most Albertans are not mouthbreathing inbreds, fortunately
>>543616716Zero chanceFrom the most "conservative" part of alberta.The boomers are all carney elbows up shitheads with severe TDS here too.I expect about 25% for separation from rural votes and chuds of my level.
>>543616716It’s basically legally impossible for a Alberta to leave Canada. Polling also shows that only about 20% of Albertans want independence. This isn’t enough for a successful armed rebellion or referendum.For it to legally happen all of these processes must be overcome successfully: 1: a referendum with a clear majority and clear question. A simple majority likely isn’t enough.2: then the Canadian government and albertan government must negotiate debt, federal assets, currency, trade policy, and provincial borders. This can fail.3: Then there must be an amendment to the Canadian Constitution which would require:Resolutions passed by the Senate.Resolutions passed by the House of Commons.Resolutions approved by the legislative assemblies of at least two-thirds of the provinces (7 out of 10 provinces).Those approving provinces must represent at least 50% of the total national population.4: Treaty rights with First Nations must be renegotiated: The process must respect and accommodate constitutionally protected Indigenous and treaty rights, which are tied to the Crown and cannot be easily severed or altered without deep consultation and consent. Reasons this will not happen legally: 1: There isn’t anywhere close to a clear majority. 2: Canada and the other provinces make money from Alberta. The Canadian government gets oil money and the interprovincial transfer payments mean the other provinces get money from it too.3: It would divide Canada in half which would make trade between British Columbia and the territories with the rest of Canada not feasible. Alberta is also a net importer of electricity from the US and especially other provinces.4: The First Nations are opposed to it categorically.
The only possible way they can is if the US launches an invasion to "liberate" lolberta.Not 100% off the table but I'm certain the leafs would take them and the rest of the world with them using some genetically modified supervirus since they lack nukes.
They're nowhere near a majority. Even if you ignore the female voters, I'd still say only a Max of 20% of males want seperation
>>543616716i think it'd be a losing position for them.if they did separate. i do not think they could just "join usa" - aside from the political headache for usa it'd cause atleast nominally - they would be responsible for it, where as if it was independent its a landlocked country that would be in no position to negotiate anything so they'd sell all their oil cheaper and all imports taxed even more
>>543616716Basically a zero percent chance. 0.1% perhaps. The separatist crackhead traitors can probably muster up like 20% of the vote. 25% if they're incredibly lucky. The problem with them is they're completely leaderless and aimless. There's like seven guys on youtube trying to be the face of this thing and they all look and sound like they've snorting pills for the last two decades.
>>543617604The armed rebellion people are seriously apeshit here, but there's not enough of them to be in any way significant.Canada is and will always be a gay communist shithole, Carney is fulfilling his mandate to bring it into the EU so they have a new fresh dumping ground for migrants.
>>543618014>The armed rebellion people are seriously apeshit hereThat's why God invented autocannons.
>>543616716boomers will never put their property values at stake for their future generations so never.
>>543616716> life long albertan, for better or worseNo.I see some support out in the rurals, but overall, no.Most Albertan know that separation will inevitably lead to Alberta becoming a U.S territory, and most Albertans hate trump, not necessarily the U.S, but trump and his admin of morons.
>>543618296this too
>>5436167160% chance. First of all, the movement is very unpopular (you can thank the orange retard for making a lot of folks come to their senses). Second, they are not allowed to leave. Period. If they try to leave, any retaliation (including military action) is on the table.
>>543617604How in the fuck does an American know our processes so well? I know them but 99% of Canadians don't even know them.
>>543616953>Even 25% in favour of separation should give Trump a reason to annexI remember when I was in middle school and had myopic opinions like this.
>>543618480>99% of Canadians don't even know them.Source?
>>543616716nope won't happen, the end.
>>543618480Is it really that strange for foreigners to know some facts about a country that most of its own populace doesn't?
>>543618523No source, but the percentage would be quite high. Realistically not a lot of people in Canada know what it would take for a province to legally separate. Most of them haven't even heard of the Clarity Act, which was purposefully created to stop any separation of any province.Maybe my estimation is jaded due to being surrounded by rural retards.
>>543616716Martin Armstrong’s computer predicted it. https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/Tis a done deal, bud. Place yer bets if you haven’t done so already.
>>543616716Alberta Separatism is less a genuine desire for independence and moreso grievance politics surrounding: carbon pricing, emissions, the failure to build pipelines, tanker bans, regulations on oil, interprovincial payments, and guns (for people that care about that, it’s about evenly split). Along with the fact that the Windsor-Quebec City Corridor controls the Canada’s entire political system.It’s similar to how the Bloc Québécois has mostly moved away from actual separatism focuses on the French language, gibbs for Québec, laïcité, etc.
>>543616716it will not happen because it would make the map look stupid
>>543618480I knew that. Literally learned it in high school civics.
>>543618660For an American to know anything about Canada's political system? Yes, it's quite strange.
>>543618767Lots of people didn't take civics, and even more have forgotten about most of what we learned in high school.
>>543618711>Windsor-Quebec City Corridor controls Canada's entire political systemEh, more like Hamilton to QC.
>>543616716Im not even in Alberta and I hope they pull it off. Its gonna be fucking hilarious.
>>543618711It's about disenfranchisement.If you aren't in Ontario or Quebec you really don't need to show up to vote, it's meaningless.If America didn't have the electoral college, and California and New York dictated every election, that's basically what Canada is.
>>543618953Problemo?
>leave gay, brown country >join gayer, browner countryi simply request to know what the point would be
>>543618953in america, the swing states decide instead, but also it does not matter because both parties are funded by the same people :)
>>543616716>Will Alberta separateNoAnyone telling you anything different is a Russian or American proxyfagging, or one of the profoundly retarded 10% who have fallen victim to their rusesThankfully Canada is the most educated country in the world (look it up), and it won't spread any furtherAny fuckery about "liberation" will be resisted, hard. With guns. We are also one of the most well-armed countries in the world, despite the stereotypes. Before Ukraine, we had 3 of the top 5 longest confirmed sniper kills - and I promise you JTF2 trained a lot of their best.And anyone who thinks we need American-level military LARP-gear to do it should ask themselves what Simo Hayha needed.Answer: a bolt-action rifle and snow in his mouth to hide his breath.
>>543616716Canada no longer exists.After the ruling in BC that gave listerine canadians all the land they want they are coming for it all.
>>543618770>>543618770>>543618684>>543618480>>543618660It’s fun to go to Canada because I get a discount on stuff with a bigger salary and with it being USD is 0.68-0.70 CAD. It’s a brief mental escape from the insanity of the United States, despite people closely following what’s going on in the US.I learned quite a bit about it when reading up on why Quebec separatism failed. Also just going to Canada, talking to people, and reading about how things work there. I like learning about US trade partners and the world in general. Things from abroad are often of a higher quality and countries focus on certain things. I’m fascinated with Canada because Canada is what remains of British North America. It’s kind of a what if scenario where if the United States didn’t crush the French language in Louisiana, Maine, etc and kept the Crown. Provinces have biomes, climates, and economic sectors that mirror whatever the closest US States are.
>>543619235I hope they get it too, china is driving that push and will buy it up from them and enslave them all properI can't wait to see that
>>543619260>a what if scenario >if the United States didn’t crush the French language in Louisiana, Maine, etc and kept the Crown>biomes, climates, and economic sectors that mirror whatever the closest US States areinteresting way of looking at it, interesting to imagine the opposite too. suddenly feel like my country is an episode of sliders
>>543616716If a province ever separates, its gonna be Quebec. And even that is far from certain
>>543617018if alberta goes, canada is done for. it will split into 3 split-up pieces bc quebec would almost certainly follow
>>543618711Alberta can have their own flag and national anthem and all that. I think that would be wonderful. But brass tacks, at the end of the day they still have to give us the money. Not quite so much money. A reasonable renegotiation is long overdue. But at the end of the day they still have to give us the money. The Crown conquered and secured all of that territory. Albertans are a little bit like a naive child who’s found a gold ring on the sidewalk. Good for you, Billy. We’ll find the rightful owner and maybe they give you a nice reward for your troubles! They are employees, they’ve never owned the McDonald’s. Direct proximity to the deep fryer does not denote ownership of all the fries, and definitely not of all the ice cream and hamburgers.
canada in general is fucked. they threw away an amazing country. it's genuinely insanely sad
>>543619235It’s sets a bad precedent, but it’s only 0.14% of the land in British Columbia that the NDP gov is giving to First Nations. The main issue is many of the treaties weren’t signed before confederation in 1871 because of the rush to confederate. The Douglas treaties were violated. The actions of British Columbia went against Royal Proclamations. There is an argument is the NDP is trying to minimize legal expenses. Knowing the Canadian courts, there is a risk that if they lost it could be worse. How can they violate some treaties that didn’t exist — well the proclamation of 1763. It seems like a flimsy argument. Just the way British Columbia is handling this sucks.
>>543619657now that i look at the map, the size of the canadian reserves are vastly smaller than what the natives have here in the us. like compared to the us, the total size of the reservations in canada is pretty insignificant, especially in the southern part of the country
>>543619657They want the entire Kitchener Waterloo basin of 2 trillion dollars so it's give up 2 towns and shit load of businesses and homes for go bankrupt.The precedent has been set where they own the land and the government has zero claim to it.Not only that they get 38 billion a year to pay fir a legal team which is more than Canada gives it's army.
>>543616835>unless you take itDeal. Canada keeps the featherniggers though.
>>543619431Also the fact that in many cases the cultures or European immigration patterns, etc are mirrored. New England and NY had lots of Irish immigrants. So did Montreal and Ontario. New York and New Jersey have Italian descended people. So does Montreal.Duluth Minnesota and Thunder Bay Ontario both have Finnish descended people.The Midwest has German, Irish, and Slavic descended people. So does Prairies and parts of Ontario.The PNW has German, Nordic, English, Scottish, and Irish descended people. So does British Columbia. The mannerisms and local cultures often mirror each other. The landscapes mirror each other. The biomes and climate. The economic sectors mirror each other.Even the Jeets and Asians live in Seattle area just like Vancouver. If somebody was drugged and woke up on the otherside of the border odds are it would take them a little while to realize if all the signage, money, and license plates were removed. It truly is a what if scenario of if the US didn’t crush French in some places like Louisiana or Maine and kept the Crown. I think it’s pretty neat. See here: >>543619260
>>543617604>3: Then there must be an amendment to the Canadian Constitution which would require:>Resolutions passed by the Senate.>Resolutions passed by the House of Commons.slave morality jargon.Thats like saying the USA cant succede from britain because britain parliament needs to agree.
>>543620085canada's population density looks like a literal spillover from the us. the only exception would be edmonton and calgary.the maritimes and newfoundland are a spillover of new england. if they were part of the us, the whole region would be called new britain probably. new england, new scotland (nova scotia), there was almost a province of new ireland too. brunswick in germany shared a close dynastic link with Great Britain.quebec is not a spillover but its own thing. but it barely considers itself as part of modern canada anyways.southern ontario is literally any other rust belt state.northern ontario is a wasteland. it's few "cities" are right on the us border or right next to southern ontario. the prairies are no different than the american prairies.and vancouver is literally on the us border and that whole region is the same as the rest of the pnw
No, the politicians will never allow it since it doesn't benefit them even if they like to talk about doing it to get goy cattle voots. If Alberta is to separate it would be because the people rised up and killed the parasite class first (never happening).
>>543620343It’s not slave morality to look at Alberta’s situation and realize that they don’t have what it takes to achieve either legal or unilateral armed secession. Comparing the US Revolution from the 1700s to 2020s Alberta is ridiculous.The difference is the US had the support of France, Spain, and the Netherlands along with like 40% of the population supporting it, 20% being loyalist, and the rest not caring. They supplied money, arms, and kept the British busy by battling it out in the Caribbean, India, etc.Armed secession won’t work for Alberta if only roughly 20% of Albertans want independence and 70% want to remain Canadian. There is a difference in breaking away from a country an entire ocean away (UK and USA) vs a country that entirely Alberta except for Montana and North Dakota. It took months for the British to send commands, troops, or supplies to British North America. There is far less parity in the arms that Albertans own and the arms the Canadian government has. The British and Americans both fought with roughly the same equipment: horses, cannons, and muskets. The only difference is the UK had a real navy while the US had only the intermittent support of the French navy.
>>543616716>dictatorships' backbone province leavingWould be ideal if you lived in alberta or want to hasten the 51st state process. I believe they will get enough votes to do the separation but the government simply wont allow it, further pissing off the few right white residents left
>>5436167160% chance
>>543619594I'm not going to man the deep fryerI don't care if the restaurant goes under
>>543616716>Its more than a little likely I recon from talking to folk.
>>543622710You’re a non factor then. Someone serious has to come to the table and figure out how to pay for your unemployment insurance and welfare.
>>543616716Always bet on nothing happening. That's your whitepill.
>>543616716>Looking for white pills>Out of CanadaAnon.
If the USA crimeas us, then sure. If not, obviously not as it's a retarded psyop by Americans who want to Crimea us, and has no basis in reality whatsoever, we're completely landlocked and dependant upon federal infrastructure.Anyways I'm still at the $5000000 pricetag to consent and help.
>>543617604a cognizant leaf who actually reads the constitution act. literally choking up
>>543620712They'd just need help from USA. Maybe in another timeline.
>>543616716Literally zero percent. I appreciate all of Alberta's complaints, basically anybody from Saskatchewan and west ward has zero real representation. But what does Alberta think is going to happen even if they pass a vote? Carney is going to recieve a report stating Alberta successfully voted to leave and he's going to say "Damn those bratty tax cattle voted to leave. I have no choice but to honour our democracy and allow Canada's economic spine to be torn out"? Fuck no. Even if they some how passed the vote 100%, literally everybody including the chugs wanted out, Carney's official statement would be to use the report to roll a joint and use emergency powers to order everybody in Alberta on HRT. It's just a big meme
>>543616716>>543624000It’s not even the first time Albertans threatened to secede. In the early 1980s it got to where over 40% wanted to leave Canada. It was a talking point in the 1980s and 1990s over the National Energy Program and Interprovincial transfers and revenue sharing from oil. It didn’t go anywhere and fizzled out. I kinda thought Quebec separatism failing, a place with a seperate language, culture, and legal system, would kill secession forever. And it largely has. The Supreme Court and Clarity Act outlined a lot of the stuff required to secede. Alberta just is nowhere close to doing so.Canada was much closer to fracturing in the 1980s and 1990s with Wexit and Quebec separatism than now. If there is anything Alberta and Quebec ever agreed on was they hated Pierre Elliot Trudeau and are suspicious of the Trudeau family in general. See here:>>543617604
>>543624400>Alberta just is nowhere close to doing so.It's not what the separatist leaders were selling at the referendum convention. Just vote to leave and get mandatory ocean access and a machine gun in every home. It was comically sad.
>>543616716No because the federal government will just send in goons to assassinate whoever they need to. You motherfuckers are not going anywhere.
>>543624628Don’t Albertan Separatist understand how stupid they sound knowing how it’s basically legally impossible and they don’t have the arms or support to do it unilaterally? It’s like sincerely believing in winning the lottery. I’m just confused at what they aim to get out of it other than maybe reducing transfer payments or pressing the government to build more pipelines and allow tankers.
>>543616716I think it's going to probably be a yes, only just, somewhere north of 50%. Support is high amongst younger generations disenfranchised by this country.The polls showing 20% support are boomers in downtown Calgary. Boomers only make up 19% of the voter base. If the 18-55 demographic are somewhat evenly split then with enough voter turnout it should be enough to pass.I don't think the feds will recognize the result regardless and it will fall on lobbying the Americans to incorporate AB as a territory. It may have always been the plan, who knows. I remember hearing rumblings about CIA ties to the referendum way back in the winter, then all hushed up.
