During Trump's first term, there were articles and studies pointing to Trump as telling the most lies out of any president. That information was met with "well that's the liberal media" when it was Fox News confirming the study and "well everyone lies" when the issue isn't the fact that he lies. Are these defenders still around? Do you listen to him assuming he's going to lie to you, but repeat what he says anyway?
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>>543634801Trump lied about one thing only and if you knew what truth he was hiding it would destroy you completely. You have to turn around now. Stop posting and thinking about politics.
It was always blatant spin so no one took it seriously. Trump would say America is best country ever and "fact checkers" would dispute that with some statistic and thus lie count +1 to inflate the number. It was obvious propaganda and became especially laughable after they all disappeared when Biden took over and told people repeatedly the border was closed or the poison injection prevented Covid and no peep from any "fact checker", it really destroyed that whole industry and why you don't see so many these days. People see "fact checker" and immediately expect bullshit
>>543634880What was the one thing he lied about? A big one I can think of is the "Haitian immigrants are stealing and eating dogs and cats in Springfield OH, it's true, I saw it on TV" because the cope is that Haitians eat dogs and cats in Haiti. This ignores how specific Trump was about it happening in Springfield and how he saw it on TV when nothing suggests that either was true.
>>543634801Is there a list of lies with some quotes? There are some obvious ones like "no new wars" and so on, but are they also classifying exaggerations as lies?>we are going to make the post 911 GI Bill the Forever GI Bill. It's going to be the greatest thing for veterans.>FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE, nothing changed for the GI Bill except the timeframe they are allowed to use it for. There are several other large VA benefits that Trump didn't sign into law. Another lie for Trump.
>>543634998Then why weren't there studies done to prove that? You're going off of your feelings of Trump versus your feelings of Biden and thinking you're somehow omniscient of all information about both. You're so confident that all these years later there is no "fact checking the fact checkers" that supports you, you just have your assumptions.It's like when Mike Lindell had his cyber symposium and a journalist there was told to stop fact checking and to just report on the code no one there had any idea about but had already made up their mind that they were proving mass voter fraud through hacking.
>>543634801You dipshits ran a DEI hire against him and she answered every campaign question with "Well, i come from a middle class family" and dodged answering. Everyone sees how vile you libshits are online, so it's odd that you can't at least appreciate a politician who calls a fat pig, a fat pig. No, instead whenever he goes off filter, you retards clutch your pearls and pretend someone calling someone fat is the worst thing you ever heard, and then you go back to making spicy jokes about aborted fetuses and charlie kirk getting shot. Selective outrage and intentional misunderstanding are your signature moves, and now here you are, crying about how you dont like liars. Like poetry.
>>543635042>when nothing suggests that either was true.See now you're ignoring many suggestions that is was true, including first-hand reports if people living in Springfield as well as a video of a woman cooking a cat in a different Ohio town, Canton.Fact is all immigrant communities have done similar forever, including Chinese, Mexicans, Haitians. Local city leaders deny it in Springfield but locals say different. Claiming there is no foundation or support for these claims is you being intentionally obtuse.
>>543635165>why weren't there studies done to prove that?The people running the lie tracker literally shut down when Biden got elected with some excuse about it no longer being needed. Who do you expect to run this particular study? Some university staffed by 100% liberals or maybe some newspaper ran by 100% liberals instead? Anyone, yourself included, can go back and look at what they claimed was a Trump lie(like millions of illegals being shipped into America by leftist NGOs to boost Democrat voting power, a total pants on fire lie according to "fact checkers") or the many various lies that Biden told that were never called out. It's not my "feelings" its just obvious and apparent in hindsight by anyone fairly looking at the record.
>>543634998>>543635125https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_or_misleading_statements_by_Donald_TrumpWhat's the equivalent that shows this is untrue and actually Biden lied more? Are you going to just attack the sources without presenting your own "fact checkers"?>>543635368And there isn't a budget to run a Biden lie tracker? Is the right so against fact checking they don't like the vibe of doing it at all? How do you explain the absence of evidence to support you?>>543635238You can't even stay on topic, just express your feelings on other things. Facts don't matter to you.
No studies? Just ask an AI:>The Washington Post logged 30,573 “false or misleading” Trump claims, counting repeats and mixing errors with hyperbole.“No collusion” was called a lie, but Mueller found no campaign conspiracy and Durham found the Steele dossier uncorroborated.“Spied on” was not an Obama wiretap order, but the FBI did surveil campaign associates, including a Carter Page FISA warrant.A Wuhan lab origin was branded a conspiracy theory, then later judged plausible by the FBI and the Energy Department.NATO has no formal “dues,” but most allies missed the 2 percent defense target Trump criticized.“Greatest economy” was hyperbole, yet pre-COVID unemployment hit a 50-year low and low-end wages rose.The Russian-bounties story Trump called fake later lost credibility in intelligence assessments.Operation Warp Speed, often dismissed, delivered authorized vaccines in December 2020.Hydroxychloroquine was oversold, but early-treatment evidence was more mixed than the flat “false” label allowed.The Hunter Biden laptop, called Russian disinformation, was later authenticated.“Very fine people” omitted Trump’s same-speech line condemning neo-Nazis and white nationalists.Real falsehoods remained, including crowd size, inauguration rain, many trade figures, and unsupported election-fraud claims.
>>543635510See>>543635576
>>543634801Tranny thread.
>>543635576>unsupported election-fraud claims.On this, how many Democrats continue saying it "never happens" or "illegals don't vote" yet now the DoJ is making hundreds of arrests for this very thing and NJ just found thousands of illegals on their voter roles? Seems one of "Trump's lies" was proven correct once again
Funny how that sign on the left spells out "America sucks".
>>543635510Also>wikipediaYes, the website that ONLY ALLOWS LIBERAL SOURCES will support liberal arguments. The highly discredited Washington Post tracker is treated as 100% verified truth there where I've provided ample examples of it being misleading or outright false.So yes, Wikipedia =LOL
>>543635042>>543635125>>543635605
>>543635683>DoJ is making hundreds of arrests for this very thing and NJ just found thousands of illegals on their voter rolesSource: your ass.
>>543635242The first hand reports was a lady saying she saw a white van snatching up a bunch of cats in an hour long youtube video trying to find stories like that. There's only the one and what she says is ridiculous and would be easy to prove with an increase in missing pets being reported. The missing pet report that was used was just a lady suspecting her Haitian neighbors but she found her cat in her basement. The video you're referring to is from Christopher Rufo who was first called a leftist for even asking for proof after putting a bounty on evidence that Haitians are stealing and eating pets in Springfield OH. What he got was a blurry video of a whole chicken being grilled. The identifying feature is supposed to be the claw, it's all you can see, and it looks much more like a chicken's talon.I'm not being obtuse, Trump specifically said they're stealing and eatung cats and dogs, both plural, in Springfield OH, a specific place, and that he knows it to be true because he saw it on TV, without there being a TV report that shows this. I know there's a foundation for these beliefs, I already said they eat them in their own country. So do you admit Trump at least lied about seeing it on TV and he was speaking about his feelings about immigrants and what he thinks they do in Springfield?
>>543635238>You dipshits ranwho?
>>543635576>>543635595That's not a study, that's an AI summary. I'm aware that there are flaws and technicalities, that's why I'm asking for something like this but for Biden or some review of these numbers and then the real numbers. You had to wait 10 years for AI summaries to become a thing for you to pick at a few impressions of information third hand rather than any direct fact checking of fact checkers as it was happening. There is nothing that suggests Trump lies just as much as any other politician when that would be easy to prove given all the time everyone has been given to do it.
>>543634801the truth doesn't matter, because nigger cattle were born to suffer. none of it matters.
>>543635830>Trump specifically said they're stealing and eatung cats and dogs, both plural, in Springfield OH, a specific place, and that he knows it to be true because he saw it on TV, without there being a TV report that shows this.See you're being pedantic here when already admitted the truth of the statement(immigrants will est wild animals including pets). Meanwhile you'll ignore a flat-out lie(White right-wing terrorism is the biggest danger to the country - Joe Biden). Now you'll come back and say that's true, the media said so based on FBI reports and Wikipedia says so based on those media reports, ignoring the fact that the FBI counted each individual Jan 6th arrest as an event of "White right-wing terrorism" to inflate those numbers for that report.
>>543636085>why I'm asking for something like this but for Biden or some review of these numbers and then the real numbersYou're asking why the liberal media who does these things is liberal. Okay bro, don't know how to help you here but hope you get the answers you claim to be after, good luck!
>>543634801Do you understand that nobody supports Trump anymore? He is a pawn of Israel. Nobody cares. You are arguing with bots.
>>543636194How is that pedantic? All Trump had to say was "I think pets in this country are less safe with Haitian immigrants around because cats and dogs are eaten in Haiti" but what he said was "Haitian immigrants are stealing and eating pets in Springfield and I know this because I saw it on TV". You're pretending he said the first statement because you don't want to accept that the second statement is a lie. Are you this charitable with anyone else?>>543636233You know there are other news sources. Billionaires fund Fox News and Daily Wire, yet they don't take the time to compare Trump's lies with Biden's. They've had so much time.
Oh wow, I knew the Post's discredited lie tracker was bad, but didn't realize it was this bad. Here's the numbers from the first batch of 100, you're right someone should devote some time to analyzing the entire 30k:>Batch 1 is the first 100 rows in the available scrape, from 7–9 October 2019. It is not a random sample of the 9,799. One label each.- Opinion or insult, not a factual claim: 20- Repeat of another claim in this batch: 6- Hyperbole: 14- Substantially true, or later better supported: 22- False or unsupported: 19- Mixed: 19Examples:- False: Abe is “39” (he was 65); market “up close to 60 percent” from election day (about 45 percent); “no inflation… going below” (inflation was low, not deflation); Hunter “takes out $1.5 billion from China.”- Later supported: black and Hispanic unemployment at or near records; territorial ISIS caliphate defeated; Obama had said he could not legalize people by executive order, then signed DACA; Stoltenberg credited Trump with a large rise in NATO spending; Schiff did deliver a parody of the Ukraine call and later said so.- Hyperbole: “greatest economy in history,” “eight trillion” for the Middle East, “worst decision ever.”- Opinion: “witch hunt,” “Sleepy Joe,” “Schiff is a disgrace,” “Do Nothing Democrats.”
>>543636599>Substantially true, or later better supported: 22>- False or unsupported: 19Wow, more absolute truths than confirmed lies, great job "fact checkers" LOL
>>543636599>>543636633What's the source on this? What counts as an opinion or insult and why is that separate from factual claims? Hyperbole is lying though, he is referencing specifics in the examples you're given. People hear this information and repeat it as fact.Again, four the fourth time, what's the comparison to Biden?
Conservatives don't like facts and experts or education and other such things. Trump's got that "gut feeling" thing, so it doesn't matter if he lies all the time.
>>543636599You submissive migatards are too afraid to admit the truth: that Trump lies like a jew/russian/jeet. But let me point out just one blatant lie he said that you cannot defend:>I am a really smart guyAn obvious lie, but you will still find a way to defend your lord and master like the obedient sheeple you are.
>>543634801Well what has he lied about?
>>543637085It makes sense because if leftists and liberals are cucks who reply on experts and education, they are more likely to be collectivists while the value of rightwing individualists hinges on individuals, separate from the educated and the fact checkers, are self reliant fact checkers on their own. They need to believe that they are individually more informed, inherently more capable, or the value system collapses.This is compounded with how the right isn't aiming for fairness or truth, historically the right aims to protect and expand advantage for a protected group. It's why they were monarchists; the logic that monarchs should rule stemmed from an inherent intelligence or goodness in them and inherent stupidity and badness in everyone else. To the Trump fans still left, they support him along similar lines.
>>543637289Of all the tens of thousands of lies, some of which have been mentioned already, another obvious one is "I won the 2020 election".
>>543634801You lost. Hope youre getting used it anon. You've got a long life of losing ahead, since youre too much of a pussy to die with the commies that will try to start their revolution.
>>543634801republicans are like women. first they act like they aint whores then they say its normal when you catch them acting a whore. i literally never voted republican and never will.
>>543637978scratch that, i supported ron paul. id have voted for him. you didnt listen
>>543637289A big one was the "millions of illegals" voting for Hilary thing. He kept saying it in 2016 and when he won, he set a group to go prove him right, meaning he didn't have proof. They didn't find evidence to support his claims years after the fact so they disbanded the group and dropped the talking point entirely.A funny one was saying he would own the shut down. He got Pelosi and Schumer on camera, ambushed them with a surprise talk about the budget and shut down, which would have been a cool play if it didn't give him the opportunity to say he would own the shut down. The instant the shut down started, he took to social media to call it a Democrat shut down.Funnier is the Obamagate thing which he kept saying that Obama was guilty of the worst crimes in history, refused to elaborate, and then walked away from that point entirely.
>>543634801I don’t care, he still BTFoed transgenders
>>543638093>transgendersFunny enough, "fact checkers" will claim saying men cannot get pregnant is a falsehood. These aren't serious people.
>>543634801Korsakoff's syndrome—a chronic memory disorder usually caused by a severe vitamin B1 (thiamine) deficiency—where patients experience severe memory loss and fill in gaps by unconsciously making up false information (confabulation) WITHOUT ANY INTENT TO DECEIVE. Trump lies without intent to deceive, whereas media lies about Trump WITH Intent. This is actual problem. Treat Trump as every patient as if they have Korsakoff's syndrome—meaning you must assume everyone is inherently unreliable, whether they mean to lie or not. I ALWAYS LIE.
>>543634801Trump is dog shit but not for the gay propaganda reasons you push but because he is a Jew dick licker
>>543640368>Trump lies without intent to deceive, whereas media lies about Trump WITH Intent.Exactly right. The TDS sufferers ITT will complain about Trump saying he saw something on TV(he's a boomer, any screen to him is TV) or claims about his crowd size as some concrete evidence of his inherent dishonesty, meanwhile totaling ignoring when the entire media apparatus and left-wing politicians lie for years about Russian collusion or Covid or Joe Biden's dementia or the open border and foreign invasion as totally inconsequential. To answer the question earlier about "why don't right-wing entities document Biden's lies" I think its because right-wingers realize all politicians lie and always have, that's obvious. Left-wingers require sources and studies because they surrender all agency to authority. If wikipedia makes a claim then that's the end of discussion, regardless whether they've seen it with their own two eyes.
>>543640220And you're going to post a link to one such "fact checker" saying that in 3... 2...
>>543641299>source, I need a source for that!God you're such an insufferable queer
>>543641448>noooo you can't ask for a source you must blindly believe everything you read on the internet like an obedient sheepYou submissive obedient sheeple don't understand that normal people aren't like you.
no one cares about reality, they just care about winning arguments.
>>543636512There’s literally a picture of a woman dragging a dead goose but the left hates facts.
>>543641567Again, you cry about hyperbole while ignoring the very real lies being pushed on you daily by all the media. But sure, we're the sheeple LOL
>>543641567Also the fact that your stinky panties get in a bunch over a claim that liberal scolds berate anyone opposing the "men can get pregnant" line gives you away as the tranny you are. YWNBAW, that fact check=true LOL
>>543641902Trump said cats and dogs are being stolen and now you have to tell me he really meant geese. Why even get mad about that? If you truly think it's about geese, you should understand everyone's confusion. Unless you're dishonest and/or retarded.
>>543641198And now you're bent in knots this far into the thread to say "uh he really meant his phone" as if we're just supposed to understand that he's dumber than our parents and just feel out what he really means though no one offers corrections and, again, there has been no proof of his claims.
>>543642337So what I’m hearing is that you’re conceding. You’ve literally denied that Haitians eat cats and dogs, then panicked, immediately backtracked and corrected yourself, because Haitians indeed do eat cats and dogs, and now you’re back to denying that… Haitians eat cats and dogs? I gave you proof of Haitians fucking around what more do you need?
>>543642671I said they eat dogs and cats in Haiti from the start.>What was the one thing he lied about? A big one I can think of is the "Haitian immigrants are stealing and eating dogs and cats in Springfield OH, it's true, I saw it on TV" because the cope is that Haitians eat dogs and cats in Haiti. This ignores how specific Trump was about it happening in Springfield and how he saw it on TV when nothing suggests that either was true.Now you're saying you can't prove what Trump said, but you saw someone with a goose.
>>543642415>there has been no proof of his claims.But there has been and if you were online in 2024 you like everyone else saw the video of the woman cooking the cat in Ohio. Again you want to pin some lie on Trump over trivial differences in his retelling of the tale(Tv vs. Internet, Canton vs Springfield, cat vs. goose) while ignoring the big picture that makes him 100% correct: immigrants eat wild animals and pets.Its why I say you're not a serious person, you'll ignore the whole of society lying to your face to convince you to take a poison injection as no big deal, but if Trump gets some small detail wrong when retelling a story its pants on fire lying. Sorry but we just don't see things the same way.
>>543634801Because first time it seems like a legit all out media attack on Trump because it literally looked like he did nothing wrong and actually was trying to fix the USA, I mean first term wasn't too bad and people just wanted to be done with Obama, But nobody except Trump fucked his own self over by making big promises and not only failing to deliver them but the big ones are literally giving the USA to Israel and not exposing the pedophiles which pissed off alot of families who have kids. How can you trust your country to a man who can't even expose people who hurt children?
Worth pointing out some of the egregious lies pushed on us by the media and leftists, consider these compared to Trump's "Haitians eating pets" claim. Which seems worse to you?Russia Collusion HoaxHands Up, Don’t Shoot HoaxSmollett HoaxCovington KKKids HoaxVery Fine People HoaxSeven-Hour Gap HoaxRussian Bounties HoaxTrump Trashes Troops HoaxPolicemen Killed at Mostly Peaceful January 6 Protest HoaxRittenhouse HoaxEating While Black HoaxBorder Agents Whipping Illegals HoaxNASCAR Noose HoaxThe Georgia Jim Crow 2.0 HoaxTrump Assaulted Secret Service Agents and Grabbed Steering Wheel of Beast HoaxMAGA Assaulted Paul Pelosi HoaxCOVID Lab Leak Theory Is Racist HoaxHunter Biden’s Laptop HoaxJoe Biden Will Never Ban Gas Stoves HoaxCOVID Deaths are Over-Counted Is a Conspiracy Theory HoaxMass Graves of Native Children in Canada HoaxThe Trump Killed All the Fish HoaxHamas Hospital HoaxJohn Fetterman Is Healthy HoaxIf Reelected, Trump Will Execute People HoaxThe Alfa Bank HoaxLibs of TikTok Murdered Non-Binary Teen HoaxThe Aaron Rodgers Sandy Hook-Truther HoaxThe “Bloodbath” Hoax
>>543642863So you’re position isYES Haitians eat cats and dogsYES we’re importing them hereYES they shouldn’t be hereYES we have an immigration problemBut you’re focused on….this? This small, irrelevant detail? You’re aware of the bigger picture, but you’re willing to sacrifice your beliefs and betray your country, your race, your people, because of a little fib? A slip up? This is how we know you’re not white. We won. Communists lost.
>>543642863Just because it was later proven to not be a cat doesn't mean it wasn't on TV you retard.
>>543643062His claims were he saw on TV that they were stealing and eating cats and dogs in Springfield. You're referring to a video of a chicken being cooked that Christopher Rufo had to put a bounty on. Again, it's really funny he was called a leftist for looking for proof. People were so mad they couldn't prove it, they assumed the only reason you would want proof is to prove no one had proof. Look at the video, you'll see plucked chickens with the talons up. Trump didn't have access to this, it was posted after the fact, so even if it was the one time it had happened somewhere in America, he's still lying. Believing everything he says until a blurry video comes out and you believe what a propagandist tells you about what you're seeing, despite the original poster of the video not saying they're eating cats, means you were just religious zealot about all of this. You're not here to make sense.
>>543644097This. Trump was just talking about what he saw on TV. Does this communist expect everyone to fact check everything they saw on TV before talking about it or does he only extend that expectation on people he hates?
