I'm a College Student in my Second Year and I want to have a discussion. I support Liberal values and Democratic Socialism. What is wrong with these ideas?
>>543669910The problem is that youre retarded.
>>543669910Why do you keep making this thread?
>>543669910>what is wrong with these ideasThe fact that not everyone is willing or able to hold them
>>543669910there’s nothing wrong with your opinion i just feel like it won’t be very popular with people and drive them into the far right. personally i don’t want that to happen so I don’t support the liberalism but I also think like them so I don’t support liberalism when I actually care about what other people do
>>543669910Communism is "for the people" ...that rule over the peasantry with an iron fist.You'll lose all rights and learn what being a slave really is.And then when you learn Trump was trying to save you, you'll want to shoot yourself in the head, but won't be able to because it's been taken.
>>543669910>what is wrong with these ideas?Oh boy, where can I start?Liberal:>liberal model is based on the false supposition of tabula rasa (every man is born equal)The reality is that every man and woman is born unalike, to cultures, races and religions to which they are bound by mutual loyalties (Yoram Hazony). If you do not take these differences in account, you are just atomizing your own people while empowering foreign tribes with in-group preference.This is why the liberal model functions, provided the society is nearly homogenous. And why liberal societies are ALWAYS taken over by an organized minority. Liberals will even go the extra length to empower the government to protect those minorities from any criticism, which is called the coercion to freedom. >democraticDemocracy has become like communism was in the USSR, an authoritarian religion that believes itself sacrilegious and that does not accept criticism to its ideological framework. The fact that foreign lobbies are allowed, voter IDs are prohibited, whether equal chance (every movement has a chance to take power, provided they win the election) is preserved, if unelected officials (deep state) easily take over elected officials... All of these is disregarded.Democracy is failed experiment. Democracy killed Socrates. When votes matter, we are not allowed to vote.>socialismYou run out of people's money eventually. Be socialist all you want, but allow business to grow and have money for you to take from them (Denmark model).
>>543669910go to europe then
>>543669910They fail because we don't murder faggots like you. Very simple.
>>543670303Smartest Brazilian post I've ever seen :o
>>543670132That is not required.>>543670279Learn history, America was great in the 1950s when we had Liberal democracy.
>>543669910You trust people you don’t know too muchYou’re too optimistic about how much tax revenue you can suck from society, in generalYou’re too optimistic about how efficient the programs you want to run will run You’re too optimistic about how negligible the impact of sucking the wealth out of society and putting into the government will haveYou’re too optimistic about the impact of ecological protections and underestimate how easy it is to move industry to a country with no regulations like China to make stuff cheaper You’re too optimistic about how much people just “need to be more educated and then they would understand” about ideas they don’t like. You’re too optimistic about how you can look at two foreign cultures interact with each other in a foreign land, and see how they don’t get along, but you assume YOUR people won’t act like this because of reasons when exposed to foreign cultures.
>Anyone who isn't liberal when they're under 30 doesn't have a heart.>Anyone who isn't conservative when they're over 30 doesn't have a brain.>Winston ChurchillNiggers, retarded women and jews seem fine when you're young but just wait, faggot.
>>543670422>you hold liberal ideas>group(s) of people hold illiberal ideas>they fuck your shit up or at the very least cause a constant state of tension where people on all sides are unhappy See France these days for an example
>>543669910we haven't tried real holocaust
>>543669910Also since I'm not retarded nor am I nigger... why should the value I create in this world be stolen by men with guns to be given to retards and niggers? That's that dumbest fucking thing.Also, faggot. The entity you most despise, the United States government is the entity you expect to bring about utopia with these retarded ideas. Are you college to learn how to be a fag or taking some sort of arts major because these things are obvious and logical.
>>543670536>You use your more advanced Liberal Society technology to send police/military to detain them, throw them in jail, try them, and then imprison them.>>543670494Churchil was a literal Liberal his whole life, he fought Hitler. He also was an alcoholic.
>>543670601>Churchil was a literal Liberal his whole life, he fought Hitler. He also was an alcoholic.Yeah, Churchill was totally opening England to be invaded by retarded shitskins and was exactly a 2026 liberal.You're clearly retarded. I'm out. Have fun getting fucked up the ass by other fags in your blue utopias.
>>543670588>why should the value I create in this world be stolen by men with guns to be given to retards and niggers? That's that dumbest fucking thing.Because the alternative is to be a broke bum on the streets and have nothing? How the fuck is this even an argument?>Also, faggot. The entity you most despise, the United States government is the entity you expect to bring about utopia with these retarded ideas.You're the one who is burning the American flag right now because you hate black people. Learn your history, you were never the good guy.
>>543670657Yes because Churchil totally>supported mass extermination of people for being black>supported gassing Jews>wanted a race war >wanted women in chains being beaten by their slavemastersGet the fuck off my thread uneducated hick.
>>543670422How white was it in the 1950s?
>>543670601Waste of resources, plus increasing authoritarianism and overall unhappiness, plus your liberal clique is actually corrupt and not all-that-effectiveA random question, are you a homosexual?
>>543670421It is all so tiresome.People trying these dumb ideas over and over while immigrants are setting fire on the native population in France and beheading locals in Northern Ireland.I'm glad I live in Bundaland. We'd lynch these savages the nanossecond they look wrong at us. I don't know why Europe tolerates these.White people are a mystery to me. They are drunk on words and civilization, can't see they are being awfully replaced.The brazilian in comparison is a simple creature. All the women have advantageous behinds, so the men are kept tired and with peaceful souls, even under soulcrushing oppression and injustice. Europe needs to understand that people are not dumb.
>>543670303>Literal out of touch third worlders opinion influenced by Fox News feeds.Garbage take by a garbage non white.
>>543669910>I'm a Liberal Democrat and Want to DiscussNo, you don't. Shut the fuck up.
>>543670830>Waste of resources,How is protecting your society from threats a waste of resources?>plus increasing authoritarianism and overall unhappinessHow is jailing terrorists authoritarianism?>are you a homosexualNo.
>>543670852Is it possible to own guns down there?
>>543670852White people live in a police and total propaganda state where the worsr rhing you can do is notice the replacement. They spend more than brazil's gdp yearly to maintain this, and have for a century. It is undoubtedly the largest and most expensive propaganda effort in human history.
>>543670601>>543670657>muh freedom>muh freedom>muh ChurchillThe only freedom that matters is the freedom to do good. Your freedom to stick things up your butt and talk shit on Facebook are irrelevant.And Churchill sold off Europe to russians and americans. Churchill sponsored turning the british mandate of Palestine into the failed genocide state of Israel.If Churchill were alive today and saw the beheading in Belfast, he'd say kill them all. Ask indians if this man is truly a hero.Churchill did allow invaders to take over Europe, though. Europe was less free in 1945 than it was in 1939; and Poland, for which the war took place, was under soviet boot and sold off to Stalin. Churchill allowed Europe to be made a colony of the USSR and the USA, and these are the consequences. He was a gambling addict, a friend of bankers and lobbyists. It is ironic that his statue is beheaded, and Nasser's is praised.Time only proved Churchill's enemies were right. Churchill's own veterans cry that 'this is not the Britain they fought for!' And they are right. They were fooled.
>>543671008>White people live in a police and total propaganda state where the worsr rhing you can do is notice the replacement. They spend more than brazil's gdp yearly to maintain this, and have for a century. It is undoubtedly the largest and most expensive propaganda effort in human history.OhhhhThis actually makes a lot of sense.Thank you very much. Never made sense to me that europeans think they are nations of immigrants, when all they did for millenia is kill each other over every other hill and river imaginable.
>>543671000>terroristsWe're talking about entire social groups, Muslims, Blacks, you'd rather not have them at all than have them and police them 24/7
>>543671004Non-military catridges only, so lots of .380 pistols.
>>543671267I'm saying let in the good ones keep out the bad.
>>543669910>Liberal values>Democratic SocialismAbortion and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race. Look up for the population pyramid for any country where woman have rightsDemocratic socialism has been a disaster for Europe, look at how GDP diverged after 2008, look at how German shut down their nuclear reactors due to popular demandLiberalism is exporting technology and means of production to people who hate you and want to kill you
>>543671371Yeah but is that happening?
>>543671004Brazilians don't care about the law, but yes, it is allowed to own guns.We are the tropical wild west, pretty much. Life in Brazil is like the STALKER videogame.>>543670922Import the 3rd-world, become the 3rd-world.3rd-world solutions should be applied to 3rd-world problems.You don't understand that these immigrants run a shame-based society and all their care are their own loyalties to their in-group. You cannot expect to exert any influence over them if you act like they are individuals. They need to be collectively punished, so their collectives manage themselves into order.And if they fail to order themselves (as they probably will), you need to expel them as a collective.That is how you deal with problems in the 3rd-world. You understand people don't care about jackshit unless they are physically and socially threatened by their in-group.Multiculturalism only works through miscigenation, and can only be maintained through empire of the host culture.
>>543670422The Greek anon has a point though.If you have a good portion of said population who's values are in opposition to yours then there will always be friction.Bringing in a bunch of third worlders who have barely developed any democratic tradition is going to continue to backfire. Especially if they come from culture that inherently look down on the very same values you and I extol.
>>543671401We need Liberalism then>>543671372So whats your alternative.
>>543669910>memeflagYou're a pajeet.
>>543671429But what if you only bring in the doctors and scientists?
>>543669910Separate QuestionSouth Africa is currently going from nice to shit in a couple generationsWhy do you think that is?
>>543671371So you actually oppose indiscriminate migration and people coming on boats?
>>543669910>whats wrong with these ideas?Because liberalism/leftism at its root is a war on reality/truth
>>543671453Neocons got it right. Ban abortion, ban technology transfers to China, cultivate nationalistic attitudes, keep normal people away from power and economic policy
>>543671453You retarded niggerIs that actually happening?Are we actually only bringing in doctors and scientists?Under BidenUnder the future President AOCYou think only doctors and lawyers have/will come in?8 million illegal aliens 4,000 “refugees” a monthIs what you’re saying actually happening? Will it actually happen?And this is completely disregarding the fact that we’re about to invent super intelligent AIWill we need more workers or less workers when super intelligent AI starts replacing people’s jobs?
>>543671535I am just against an ethnostate, I'm saying bring in blacks or asians or brown people if they are educated or promising in some way. Like some high IQ Syrian surgeons or scientists.But don't exclude someone or ban them from coming in because they aren't blue eyed.
>>543670422It wasn't . The 1950s was good, but not liberal The 1950s was the last real conservative generation. Thrifty. God-fearing, dresses to the knees, no faggotry, joggers spoke respectably and proper english. It was a good time. The implementation of a bunch of liberal stuff during that time led to future consequences and the trash heap we have now.
>>543671670They don't just have to be doctors or scientists that was just an example.The Mexicans that came in under Biden became plumbers, construction workers, chefs, gardeners, that is GOOD. I want that.And with A.I it will boost the economy through the roof, we will always need more workers to stimulate economic growth.
>>543671758In the 1950s the Republican Party was the same as the DSA today.If you look at their platform it was about taxing the rich, social security, farm subsidies, etc.
>>543671710Then you're kinda wasting your time because the vast majority of people already agree with that position. The main problem we face for the past decades is uncontrolled immigration, both in the United States and Europe. The left and the right fundamentally disagree on how to "solve" that.
>>543671834But I see the right pushing ethnonationalism. Everytime a brown person tries to run for office they go "Not voting for a JEET" even if they agree with the man on 95% of issues.
>>543671781So when we get rid of white collar laborWe’re going to flood the market with blue collar laborers that will do the jobs the former white collar people will need to doFantasticI’m convinced. Tell me on wise one When you have more of something, is it worth more or less?If we have more workers is work worth more or less?
>>543671901Ah yes because you definitely have a solid grasp of economics, totally, that's definitely how economics works.Do more workers not boost GDP, yes or no?
>>543669910So you do need to define "liberal values" and "democratic socialism". Because North Korea has "democratic socialism", and it's pretty fucking obvious what is wrong with them. Just go watch a few videos from defectors to see how horrific and wrong that idea is. Now "liberal values" is a bit of an oxymoron, because technically the only thing a liberal values is power. Which is not really a "value". This is where I'd need you to define what your actual values are, because most liberals only value power, everything else is just lip service for them. And if you truly only value power, you will become an evil, terrible human being. Just like all the other little tinpot dictators the world has. And I kinda suspect you do only value power, since by your admission you like "democratic socialism" aka Dictatorship for us who know things.
>>543670102Op is a jew checking if the goyim know. Jews have bad memory and have to keep asking if the goyim know.
>>543671941Sure they can boost the GDP with more workersIf you let in 8 million peopleAnd boost the GDP by $4 million dollarsThe GDP went up, must be good right?Is that actually better for the original people in the country?Line go up equals good?FantasticWell line has been going up for a while now, that’s why everything’s fan-fucking-tastic isn’t it?Tell me oh wise oneWhy do you think the Koch Brothers agree with your position?Does that not give you pause?
>>543671710>I'm saying bring in blacks or asians or brown people if they are educated or promising in some wayThey'll breed. You will be replaced. IQ is not the problem, it is the fact these "syrian engineers" are loyal to their own rather than to the nation. If you do invite them, you run the risk of being taken over. You become an accomplice in their potential crimes.Look at the sons of the doctors and engineers setting fire on schools in France, then return to us.Is that really necessary? Is that really acceptable? Does your worldview really need to compromise the security of the native population in such ways as to open your borders wide to the risk of extermination by a foreign group?Not all barbarians were hostile to Rome, I'm sure. But Rome itself was founded on the prerrogative that the barbarians need to fuck off and that they cannot get along. >But don't exclude someone or ban them from coming in because they aren't blue eyedIf they look to different, they'll never get along with the local admixture. We need to stop fooling ourselves that the color of the skin does not matter. The color of the skin is nearly all the story. If men are unable to get laid or compete, they enact violent revolution. It is very simple, and they are right to do so.Fuck, if I were one of the muslims and smelled blood in the water, that I can topple the weak Macron regime, I'd jump in the bandwagon. I'd live off neetbux, after all, because my 3rd-world family fails to compete in a 1st-world labor market.You see in your personal life that appearance is all that matters. Do you think that won't become a political problem if an entire generation of browns grow up subdued by taller, whiter, stronger, smarter, richer foreigners? They'd fare well in Brazil with us browns, but not in the 1st-world.
>>543671874Do you have an example of such a brown person running with excellent ideas? I can't even think of a white one..
>>543672106>The GDP went up, must be good right?If you brought in 4 million servants, and those servants are serving me, even if GDP/capita went down i still benefit.It's why Saudis brought in a bazillion indian workers, even though per/capita GDP went down, it still boosted the economy because they built skyscrapers and became their servants.But sure, you know more than literally trillionnaires.>Why do you think the Koch Brothers agree with your position?Both of us want more economic growth and prosperity, it's just they want to hog a larger share of it than I would like.
>>543672106>Well line has been going up for a while now, that’s why everything’s fan-fucking-tastic isn’t it?Ah yes because wages totally haven't stagnated for 40 years.
>>543672188>ou see in your personal life that appearance is all that matters. Do you think that won't become a political problem if an entire generation of browns grow up subdued by taller, whiter, stronger, smarter, richer foreigners? They'd fare well in Brazil with us browns, but not in the 1st-world.You are on 4chan, you have never ever once judged someone based on their appearance, so why do you think random people who have never been here would?
>>543671372Does Marx comment on the first of many communists that hang next?Because the first commies the get hanged are the ones that hanged the last capitalist.
>>543672239>It's why Saudis brought in a bazillion indian workers, even though per/capita GDP went down, it still boosted the economy because they built skyscrapers and became their servants.Do you actually see this as viable? History says that it's a time-bomb.
>>543669910You can't be fixed, you are what I call a reverse-person or a child of the devil.
>>543672237Vivek Ramaswamy, Zohron Mamdani, Rishi Sunak, First three that came to mind.
>>543672298I have a buddy that moved to Texas, he earns the same as me but his life is heaven because of the cheap mexican labor.He can buy a house because construction costs made housing abundantHe can hire a gardener, babysitter (if he had kids) cheap ubers cheap repairs cheap everything because of Mexicans.He lives like a Saudi King while my ass is nothing of the like
>>543670703Notice how op skips any post that contradicts his view. * clap *
>>543672239The 4 million servants are a net tax takerThe bottom 50% of this country is not a net contributor to the federal budget Saudi Arabia doesn’t have the social services that we give these people you fucking moronThey give them nothingWe give them schooling and healthcare and welfare and homeless services and rehab services and every single other fucking social service you retard stack on the budget without a thought as to how we’re actually going to pay for it. Overinflating the supply of labor trillionaires hog a larger shareIf you have more of something it’s worth lessThat includes laborYou can shove the “GDP increase” up your ass>Line go up equals good huuuuuuuurrr durrrYou sound like the retard who defended Bidenonomics in the last administration and the current retards defending the Trump economy and this administrationThe thing you have in common with both of these groups is that you are all retarded
>>543672263OKMaybe we’re making some progress hereYes wages has stagnated for a very long timeSo please tell me wise oneIn order to help stagnate the wagesIn order to help the price of X go upShould we add more of X or should we restrict the supply of X?>>543672416Wait one fucking secondDo you want the price of labor to go up or not motherfucker?Do you just want a cheap supply of slave labor or do you want people to have wages that aren’t stagnated?
>>543671874Ethnonationalism is a good.
>>543672770>Should we add more of X or should we restrict the supply of X?We should increase the supply of goods and services so that wages have more purchasing power in relation to goods and services, and the way to do that is investment and immigration>Do you just want a cheap supply of slave labor or do you want people to have wages that aren’t stagnated?I know that when you pay gardnerners more than Bezos and Musk, you crash the economy and then your wage is worth jack squat.
>>543673195How does increasing the velocity of money help the purchasing power of money?
>>543672510>Overinflating the supply of labor trillionaires hog a larger shareHURRRR HURR DURRRRRRThat's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.>If you have more of something it’s worth lessStupidest thing I've ever heard in my entire life.
>>543673233Increasing the total amounts of goods and services available relative to the quantity of money will make the purchasing power of dollars increase, all things equal.If I have $5 but there's 5 hogdogs, my purchasing power will be less than if I had $5 but there was 50000 hotdogs.Making more hotdogs will make the $5 go further in buying hotdogs.
>>543673239>>if you have more of something it's worth less>that's the stupidest thing i've heard in my entire lifeYou've never heard of the law of supply and demand?
>>543673334That's not at all what the law of supply and demand states at all.We have less fax machines now than we did in the 1980s, are they worth more or less?There's more gold available today than ever before, is gold worth more or less than it was 150 years ago?
>>543673292Bringing in immigration and increasing investments increases the velocity of money. Increases in the velocity of money make money have less purchasing power. As your solution has been tried for a century straight, and it's only ever lead to a loss of purchasing power, why do you think more of the same will fix that?
>>543669910you've spent the last 20 years of your life basically being force fed them. you probably didn't even think about that all that hard.
>>543673383That is exactly the law of supply and demand. Especially in stuff that is ever present and relatively fungible, like labor.
>>543673404>As your solution has been tried for a century straight, and it's only ever lead to a loss of purchasing power,Never happened in the last 100 years. Literally never.
>>543673417You were not allowed to talk to other kids, you were forcedfed extreme racism by your parents and told if you talk to a minority you would be beat. You were also sexually abused. D oyou not think you're biased.>>543673452So we have more gold, yet gold is more valuable... so you don't think labor could become more valuable as we get more labor?Wages today are higher with a population of 340 million than they were in 1800 when America had a population of 5.3 million
>>543673480>investment and immigration haven't been tried in the last 100 years.Are you fucking stupid?
>>543669910Liberalism is like voluntarily retarding your own nation, which is why the Germans were so keen to install it in France.
>>543673545Investment and immigration CAUSING the decline of purchasing power is what I was referring to, not investment and immigration existing. Are you fucking stupid?
I am a Conservative Republican.I wake up, I suck jew cock, I suck the hot cum right out of that juicy jew cock, I swallow it right down my slutty goy throat, then I sleep.What is wrong with these ideas?
>>543673195How does letting in 8 million illiterate peasants into a service sector based economy increase the goods and services in the country?Especially when the bottom 50% are not net contributors to the system?Also notice everyone We’ve shifted away from “I only want to let in doctors lawyers and heart surgeons” to “we need to let in millions of poor people to keep myself comfortable with low wage laborers”I’m not advocating to restrict the supply of labor until a gardener gets paid the same as BezosBut I certainly think we’re on the wrong side of the bell curve for the price of labor. Just saying that I want to go to the other extreme side of the bell curve isn’t really a refutation of my position.
>>543673544Gold is up in price because demand is up more than the Supply is upDo you think letting in 8 million uneducated illiterate (illiterate in Spanish, not just an English) is going to increase the demand for labor?You’re going to increase the supply more than the demand increases naturally
>>543673544Gold is relatively stable. We've also got reams of paper gold that exists to keep the price down. >wages are higher today than they were in the 1800s.Not in purchasing power.
>>543673705>How does letting in 8 million illiterate peasants into a service sector based economy increase the goods and services in the country?Productivity is Output/Input, or Output - Input.The two ways to enhance productivity are increasing aggregate output, or decreasing input relative to the output. Cheaper labor, automation, and cheaper capital are all ways to reduce input. Reducing input relative to the output will increase productivity by definition.I'm not saying I want slave labor, I'm saying I want cheaper labor for the production of goods and services I use. I am an employee, I work, but I also am a consumer. The only reason I work is for money that I use to buy things, and the more things I can buy with my money, the higher my effective wage is.My Texan buddy is richer than me because his dollar goes further when he can buy cheap mexican made houses, cheap ubers, cheap gardening services, cheap everything. The Mexicans are making his wage higher just by being willing to work for less. I want immigrants to lower my cost of living so my wage is higher. They are increasing productivity making the relative demand of my labor higher.
>>543673764By decreasing the cost of production through the increase of illiterate labor, you increase the relative demand for all non-illiterate labor in comparison. >>543673909Way higher in terms of purchasing power.
>>543673586Uh, no. Those are the direct cause of it. Higher levels of investing increase the velocity of money lowering purchasing power. Immigration cuts wages.This is incredibly basic stuff.
>>543673923Then don’t talk to me about wanting to fix stagnant wages you dumb motherfuckerWe don’t want the same thing
>>543673964We are not. Compare home prices in the early 1900s to home prices today. Purchasing power has cratered with the increase of immigration and increasing financialization of the country.
the answer is always christians letting their jews in
>>543674002You won't fix stagnate wages without immigration and A.I you subhuman runt.>>543673986Higher levels of investment increase productivity which raises purchasing power and immigration skyrockets wages.So no not at all, this is basic economics. Krugman and Friedman were on opposite sides yet both agreed with more immigration and investment.Even Mark Carney is saying we need more immigration and investment to boost wages.
>>543673964>>543674103Oh of courseAs long as those below me suffer low wages, surely I’ll be fineSurely the leopards won’t eat my face
>>543674103>krugman and friedman were on opposite sidesThis is incorrect.>Mark Carney is saying we need more immigration to boost wagesHave you considered he's, you know, lying?>productivity increases purchasing power.Depends on the good, and how much wages respond.>immigration skyrockets wagesThis has never happened. Immigration skyrockets concentration of wealth. If that's what you mean, I'd question why you are a democratic socialist.
>>543674174So would you rather be the one with the low wage? Or would you rather save a persons life by allowing them to immigrate in and work a low wage job, and then you take the high wage job?
>>543674103You also never even bothered to address that these bottom dwelling people suck more out then they put into the treasury
>>543674257If they were banned from accessing welfare/healthcare that wouldn't be an issue. Saudi Arabia doesn't let the immigrants access it.>>543674238Wages don't even have to directly respond ,their purchasing power will automatically increase since there's now more goods and services to buy.
>>543674245You’re not going to solve poverty in some shit hole Third World country by importing in infinity poor peopleThey’re just going to bring their problems hereAnd continue to breed more poor people in the home countryYou will not solve poverty in Haiti by bringing Haitians into the United StatesYou won’t solve poverty in Africa by bringing a tiny fraction of them to EuropeBut you will make the line go up in the United StatesFor all the benefit that has brought the middle classThe Koch Brothers thank you for your dutiful service socialist
>>543674306Yes the famous position among the Democratic socialistLet’s stop letting immigrants take social servicesDo you actually support Democratic Socialism or am I just being trolled by some knuckle dragging libertarian?You got me broGame recognize gameI’ve been trolledYou had me going there for a long time
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>>543674306>there's now more goods and services to buy which means increased buying power!Two things. 1) not always. Increases in immigration increase the velocity of money, which decreases purchasing power.2)not 10 posts ago you said having more of something means it is worth less is the dumbest thing you ever heard. Now you're arguing in favor of that point. What changed?
>>543669910>Liberal values and Democratic Socialism. What is wrong with these ideas?There is nothing wrong with 'Liberal' values in the sense that people should have the freedom to live their lives as they see fit, free from government intervention and harassment. 'Democratic Socialism' has TWO fundamental problems : A) Governments are not good managers, and their programs are terrible.B) Giving money (or payments in kind like 'free' education, healthcare, food, housing, etc) to people does not actually help them; it hurts their ability to provide for themselves and incentivizes them to be corrupt.>I'm a College StudentWe were all young and idealistic at one point, as you get older you will realize that giving people things doesnt actually help them, it hurts them; thats exactly why you do not feed wild animals, it doesnt help them it teaches them to go to people for food; gibs teach people to go to the government for money. You will also realize that government is retarded, the people that operate it are retarded, the less power and money they have to work with, the better your life will be.
>>543674495Habing more of something doesn't NECESSARILY mean it's worth less was what i was arguing.Increasing labor supply doesn't mean wages go down in marginal productivity increases. An island with 5000 sustence farmers will be poorer than a city of 50000 elite professionals.
>>543669910You should kill yourself OP
They treat humans as interchangeable blank slates. Race realism and group evolutionary strategies say otherwise: populations differ in average IQ, time preference, impulsivity, and in-group preference. Pushing equal outcomes across those differences requires endless coercion, speech controls, and anti-white double standards. The result is declining social trust, affirmative-action mediocrity, and demographic displacement of the historic European populations that built the high-trust societies you enjoy.Democratic socialism adds the economic layer. Central planning and heavy redistribution ignore incentives and human capital differences. Historical pattern: Bolshevik Russia, early Soviet cadres, and later cultural-Marxist strains showed heavy overrepresentation of a particular high-verbal, high-ethnocentrism group whose interests often diverged from the host nation. The same pattern appears in media, academia, and finance today. Open-borders liberalism accelerates the replacement; the socialism promises free stuff to the new electorate.College second-year liberalism is the default product of institutions that pathologize White continuity while celebrating every other group's. Test the claims against crime stats, cognitive distributions, and 20th-century body counts instead of the approved narrative.
>>543674672Life can still fucking suck for the other 8.8 million people living in the city though you stupid asshole This is your problem I think actuallyYou’re trying these things into very stark binaryI’m trying to tell you that there are a lot more shades of gray in between what you think the bounds areIn the shade of gray we are currently in is not a good one
>>543675394Then lets work to improve our lives using politics, we need to fight for politicians that represent the people. People like Mamdani.
>>543669910>What is wrong with these ideas?Democracy isn't real. This doesn't necessarily mean it's bad, just that it isn't real.
>>543671483Dumb baiting Jeet.Your culture is the people I'm talking about.
>>543669910Nothing.
>>543670660>muh rayrayNiggers never belonged here.
>>543670696Literally untrue and lies.
>>543669910How about National Socialism?
>>543670494Winston Churchill was a bipolar alcoholic and gambling addict who was owned by bankers.
>>543671189I could watch that webm all day.
>>543675462>we need to fight for politicians that represent the peopleeveryone wants this. It's just that leftists cry THREAT TO DEMOCRACY and fascism when the people vote for someone they don't like.
>>543669910niggers
>>543669910Fuck off tranny
