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>>543704475Said Aryans were more genetically related to modern Europeans than they are to modern Indians or Iranians.
>>543704475Back when Iran was filled with blondes, yes.End of discussion.
>>543704986the white version of "we wuz kangz""we wuz persians n shiet bro"
>>543705101Sintashta were *literally* from Europe. Ethnogenesis likely occurred in the Baltic region. It was not a matter of steppe cultures simultaneously invading Europe, Iran and India, they invaded Europe earlier then European hybrid cultures returned to the steppe and then invaded Iran and India. It's not like I would want to claim any kind of kinship with the miscegenated shithole of modern India, but during the period where India wasn't shit covered heap of dysgenic garbage all of the nobility were of European origin.
>>543705101https://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyle/half-of-european-men-share-king-tuts-dna-idUSTRE7704PB/It's not we wuzzing when it's true, fool.
>>543705101Except in literally every culture you go to you find either statues of blue eyed gods with fair features or stories of blonde haired blue eyed gods. Browns are like the little fishies swimming through the aquarium we built acting like its theirs. It'll be the same thing a few thousand years from now. Some white explorers will happen upon some nonwhite tribe in the middle of Washington DC and ask them who built the Washington monument. If their ancestral stories are honest they'll say the gods did. If they aren't so honest they'll try to convince the incredulous explorers that they did despite using stone tools and not even having the wheel.
>>543704475Aries Ian.today Piscesian>some are Africanshut up.tomorrow Aquairianian
>>543704986sure. bronze age steppe populations were genetically west eurasian. now explain how that turns a sanskrit and iranian ethnolinguistic term into “blond germans”>>543705053>Back when Iran was filled with blondes, yes.bro turned ancient iran into stockholm because he saw “west eurasian” on wikipedia.>>543705101>"we wuz persians n shiet” historical cosplay
>>543705259>>543705266I see I triggered the we wuzzersPersians are not Egyptian so I fail to see the point.Also all it would establish is that the groups share a common ancestor, which nobody disputes
>>543705266well this one has nothing to do with the steppe invasions of India and Iran. Egypt was essentially the Europe of its time, ie, constantly full of refugees fleeing their failing shitholes so the Egyptian genepool is fairly diverse.It should be clarified that Egyptians explicitly did not view themselves as white, depicting Libyans/Berbers, Caananites and Hebrews as paler skinned and Nubians as black. Different situation compared to, for example, the black figures on Greek pottery which was a stylistic choice since different ethnic groups were depicted differently.
>>543705388they're knocking that over. topple the phallus is the main game they all play. but very interesting visual thx
>>543705259nigga went from “sintashta had european related ancestry” to “all indian nobility was european” in one paragraphthat is exactly the leap i was talking about
>>543705587What we're arguing here is that common ancestor was European in origin, which is objectively true and has been proven by modern genetics. There was a period where the Aryan invasion hypothesis become unfashionable but modern genetics have shown markers originating in the Baltic area appearing in Bangladeshis It doesn't mean that Iran or India was full of blonde haired blue eyed people, but that the people who ruled it likely were. We even have historical accounts of this (ie, the Buddha being blue eyed)
>>543705533Do you seriously believe that you - a mulatto from shithole mexico - has the origins of white people better figured out than the nazis, who dedicated tremendous amounts of research into it? Not claiming that everything they said was true, but get real, son.>>543705613It does has something to do with it, but I'm not going to tell you that connection. You have to figure that one out on your own. One day it will be known by everybody, but that day might be a few decades away.
>>543705762> I know but I'm not going to tell youshutup faggot
>>543704986No they weren't, Timmy McGee.
>>543705388so now we’ve gone from archaeogenetics to “every civilization remembers blonde gods who built everything” this is literally mythology being used as genetic evidence.>>543705762>Do you seriously believe that you - a mulatto from shithole mexico - has the origins of white people better figured out than the nazis, who dedicated tremendous amounts of research into it? Not claiming that everything they said was true, but get real, son.exactly. you’re so trapped inside a racial hierarchy that the moment the evidence comes from a mexican, you stop discussing the evidence and start discussing my blood. nobody outside your little racial bubble takes that framework seriously anymore.
You will never be white
>>543706023I'm gonna start taking you and your people seriously, once you have a track record of achievements.Respect is earned and not demanded.
>>543704986There are still aryans in Iran. Not in India though.
>>543706023>so now we’ve gone from archaeogenetics to “every civilization remembers blonde gods who built everything” this is literally mythology being used as genetic evidence.Yes. Restating the assertion incredulously doesn't make it untrue. Perhaps you would be more comfortable on reddit.
>>543705101Ahem
>>543706023>nobody outside your little racial bubbleyou mean shitskins? with combined achievements of less than 1% of just Germans alone, despite there being 100 times as many of you? Alright, kid. I'm sure you'll find many Indians to agree with you in your brown bubble of "whitey hurt my feelings with their civilization"
>>543704475The ones with blue eyes and fair skin, sure. The historical Buddha had blue eyes, for example. They sure got overtaken with mud since then.
>>543706153>I'm gonna start taking you and your people seriously, once you have a track record of achievements.alrighty, now we’re exactly where i wanted to get.you think achievement means dominating matter harder than the next civilization. bigger machines. more territory. more accumulation. more control. that is one possible measure of human development. it is not the only one.mesoamerican civilizations spent centuries developing systems of astronomy, mathematics, agriculture, architecture, ritual, poetry and philosophy, but also something your framework barely knows how to measure: an entire culture concerned with how a human being should stand inside an impermanent world, how the individual relates to community, nature, death and the sacred.then conquest happened. populations collapsed, institutions were dismantled or subordinated, languages and religions were attacked, and an entirely different civilizational logic was imposed. so when you look five hundred years later and say “show me your achievements”, you are measuring the survivors of that rupture with the scoreboard of the civilization that caused it.(you) think you are measuring human value objectively, but you have already decided what counts as human achievement before the conversation even begins.
>>543705893love poojets who larp as "persian," ignoring that this is an indo-european ethnicity that doesn't exist anymore and that poojets have diarrhea skin
>>543704475>We wuz aryans bix nood
>>543706629>tfw you will never be Scythian
>>543704475>what is migration
>>543706297ahh, the reddit argument when logic fails. love it.and no, i wasn’t just restating your assertion incredulously. i was pointing out that you changed the standard of evidence. you started with archaeogenetics, then jumped to myths and iconography as if stories about gods were genetic data. that’s not me being incredulous. that’s me noticing your argument switched tracks.
>>543706611>mesoamerican civilizations spent centuries developing systems of astronomy, mathematics, agriculture, architecture, ritual, poetry and philosophy>ritualYou mean sacrificing children to moloch? Yea, that's exactly why God judged them and it all ended.Sure you did have some form of civilization, many people made it to the middle ages, although I guess you never really discovered how to work iron and heat it to high enough degrees to purify it. The white man was the only one to ever leave the middle ages by his own accord. Nobody else can claim this and will never be able to. Our achievements are insurmountable. We discovered science. Our achievements are the biggest skyscraper you've ever seen, while your achievements are a 1-story building next to it. There's no evidence your people did real science. If white people would have kept to themselves, we would be having inter-galactical space travel, while you are still sacrifcing humans to appease nature or whatever.And achievement is objective, because the nature of the universe is objective.But you can do better in the future, I don't mind. I just don't have the time to listen to stone throwers.
>>543706892I never made genetic arguments i jumped in with the mythological elements because I believe that's more compelling desu. I don't control who does genetic testing or what motives they have. But people who lived and died millenia ago said what they said.
>>543706111chekedbeing white stopped being my childhood dream a long time ago
>>543704475>poopjeetshttp://www.google.com/search?q=toilet+witches+indiahttp://www.google.com/search?q=codex+pajeethttp://www.google.com/search?q=india+jamboyhttp://www.amazon.in/s?k=cow+dung+cakeshttp://www.google.com/search?q=india+poop+festivalhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Pi4-zWJTghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JDGGcY0wDUGO BACK TO INDIA YOU STINKING PAJEETS>GO BACK TO INDIA YOU STINKING PAJEETS
>>543707067you begin by explaining the fall of mesoamerica through divine judgment, then a few paragraphs later tell me that your worldview is objective because the universe is objective.so which standard are we using here? empirical evidence or theology? and moloch? wrong continent, wrong civilization, wrong pantheon.but you’re still missing my actual point. i never denied european technological achievement. obviously modern european societies produced extraordinary developments in physics, engineering, medicine and industry. i’m questioning your assumption that technological power is an objective measurement of the total development or worth of a civilization. a telescope can objectively see farther than the human eye. a skyscraper can objectively stand taller than a pyramid. neither measurement tells you objectively which civilization understood human existence better. you keep turning “we became extremely good at manipulating matter” into “therefore we became objectively superior human beings.”the funniest part is that you call me a stone thrower while explaining history through god’s judgment and moloch. pick a lane, scientist or prophet.
>>543706611>poetry and philosophyThe Obsidian bit into his fleshHis screams were exquisite The feathered serpent was pleased.Such pottery Truly a compelling and nuanced culture.
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>>543704475>TFW you are a Celt and this shitstorm of arguments over who is Aryan does not involve you at all
>>543707788have you ever been to a mcdonald’s?
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>>543707647>moloch? wrong continent, wrong civilization, wrong pantheon.Whatever name you used for him back then, it was still Satan you worshipped.Your achievements in non-technological matters also was far behind ours. We discovered morals, ended slavery, invented justice and proper courts, and most importantly, individual rights - the only ones to have discovered and implemented them.What is your point? You had better saunas? Nah. Better food? My country alone has better food than all non-white countries on Earth combined. If you don't know that, you're simply ignorant, sorry.The universe is objective, but it was created by God. We can discover the universal laws objectively, but can science ever tell you WHY something happened? Why did anything happen? Why is there something rather than nothing? Science can't answer that, because science can't answer everything. It cannot explain the first cause, because science itself is a subsequent process of that cause.But objectively one could say, you were so preoccupied with sacrifcing your own children that you degenerated back into the stone age.
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>>543707876Yes it doeshttps://youtu.be/aQ283N_ZdKY?t=100
>>543708059Moses never existed, yet your dead rabbi claimed Moses "prophecized" his birth. It's impossible to get lost in the road to Canaan was clear from Egypt. There was no getting lost in the Sinai desert of Arabia. There was a trade route from Egypt to the coastal cities of Canaan. The narrative device, a god keeping someone lost for years because the hero anger3d them, was stolen from the Odyssey. Because the torah was 'compiled' in the Hellenistic Period.The torah / old testament is judeo-supremacist historical fiction. Egypt never enslaved 'Israelites', there was never an 'Exodus'. There was no monotheistic yahwehist kingdom in Judea prior to the Persian Intervention. Yahweh started as a storm and war god in a pantheon, with a consort.The kikes came to Egypt as the Hyksos: parasites. They immigrated until they took over as a dynasty, until the natives had enough if their shit and deposed them. Exactly the opposite of the biblical bullshit narrative.
>>543707763lets be friendsma mani in ahuiac xochitl in tlalticpac.ma ahuiyac in xochitl,ma topan huetzi in xochitl.zan achica nican tinemi.ma oncan icniuhyotl,ma oncan xochitl,ma oncan cuicatl....let fragrant flowers remain upon the earth.let them spread their perfume,let flowers rain down upon us.we are only here for a little while.let there be friendship,let there be flowers,let there be song.
>>543707788>>543708012>>543708074does your family know you keep this kind of content in your files, or are you just another perfectly functional unitedstatian schizo like half the country?
>>543708186Ok we can be friendly, you actually seem rather intelligent for mexican. However, you will appreciate that us white people are rather annoyed with the 7 Billion brown people who try to take away from our culture and life literally every single day non-stop. You don't know what it's like when everybody else is trying to suck the life out of you.Anyway, cute little poem, but it doesn't compare to things like this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3v9unphfi0Or if you want to stay more German, things like this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho9rZjlsyYYOr if you want to stay in my (German) country of Austria specifically:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb0UmrCXxVA>philosophy & poertryKant, Nietzsche, Schoppenhauer, Wittgenstein, Göthe, GödelAnd I only mentioned Germans/Austrians.You can't compete, not even closely.And btw, you never replied to this:>>543706389Why didn't you reply to him?
>>543704475OP is a faggot kikehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blqOOmzjAbs
>>543708708alrighty, now we can actually talk.about the sintashta image: fair point. i didn’t reply because i honestly didn’t understand what those genetic distances demonstrated, so i looked into it instead of pretending. sintashta were indeed genetically close to bronze age european populations, especially corded ware related groups. so yes, you get that point. what doesn’t automatically follow is the entire modern racial mythology built on top of it.second, i was obsessed with schopenhauer at 18, then nietzsche and the greeks. european thought was enormously formative for me. but eventually i realized that, however formative, it wasn’t the tradition of the land and culture i came from.that led me into mesoamerican thought and into realizing how violently much of that tradition was interrupted. and i don’t mean cute poems. i mean ritual as a technology of consciousness, altered states, fasting, dance, repetitive music, isolation, pilgrimage, calendrical systems, medicinal and psychoactive plants, and ways of relating the individual to nature, death and the sacred. you can reject their metaphysics and still recognize a sophisticated civilization investigating human experience through a radically different framework.and about everyone “stealing white culture”: i think you’re noticing something real but interpreting it racially. european culture became global partly because european empires became global. colonialism eventually became cultural as well as geographical. european languages, religions, institutions, technologies and ideas were exported across the planet for centuries.now we all inhabit the resulting hybrid world. including me. that’s why i knew schopenhauer long before i seriously asked what existed here before him.
>>543704475I thought this is a Twin Peaks discussion thread, I am disappointed now. Maybe I should switch to /tv/
>>543709554that anon refuted your entire OP with this image. you shouldn't be making threads about origins of people if you know nothing about genetic science...and the world adopted much of our culture because it is simply the truth, so there is no way around it.
>>543709747doppelgängers, cryptic messages, racial demons, people slowly losing their minds trying to uncover the hidden truth behind reality. lynch basically predicted /pol/.
>>543709860i already conceded the genetic point of that image. learning something new and adjusting your position isn’t losing an argument, it’s how thinking is supposed to work.“the world adopted our culture because it is simply the truth” is a much bigger claim. military, economic and technological dominance can explain why a culture becomes global. it cannot demonstrate that the culture is metaphysically “true”. power is extremely good at spreading ideas.carnal, i thought we were friends now, why are you refuting my entire existence again
>>543710078>learning something new and adjusting your position isn’t losing an argumentin this case, it is, because he proved the opposite of your claim in the OP...if you're interestedin philosophy, I highly recommend this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXtS4FpW3mM>why are you refuting my entire existence againwhere did I do that? nowhere. I have to go now.
>>543708152>The Jews are said to have been refugees from the island of Crete who settled in the remotest corner of Libya in the days when, according to the story, Saturn was driven from his throne by the aggression of Jupiter. This is a deduction from the name Judaei by which they became known: the word is to be regarded as a barbarous lengthening of Idaei, the name of the people dwelling around the famous Mount Ida in Crete. A few authorities hold that in the reign of Isis the surplus population of Egypt was evacuated to neighboring lands under the leadership of Hierosolymus and Judas. Many assure us that the Jews are descended from those Ethiopians who were driven by fear and hatred to emigrate from their home country when Cepheus was king. There are some who say that a motley collection of landless Assyrians occupied a part of Egypt, and then built cities of their own, inhabiting the lands of the Hebrews and the nearer parts of Syria. Others again find a famous ancestry for the Jews in the Solymi who are mentioned with respect in the epics of Homer: this tribe is supposed have founded Jerusalem and named it after themselves.
>>543708152>>543710656>Most authorities, however, agree on the following account. The whole of Egypt was once plagued by a wasting disease which caused bodily disfigurement. So pharaoh Bocchoris went to the oracle of Hammon to ask for a cure, and was told to purify his kingdom by expelling the victims to other lands, as they lay under a divine curse. Thus a multitude of sufferers was rounded up, herded together, and abandoned in the wilderness. Here the exiles tearfully resigned themselves to their fate. But one of them, who was called Moses, urged his companions not to wait passively for help from god or man, for both had deserted them: they should trust to their own initiative and to whatever guidance first helped them to extricate themselves from their present plight. They agreed, and started off at random into the unknown. But exhaustion set in, chiefly through lack of water, and the level plain was already strewn with the bodies of those who had collapsed and were at their last gasp when a herd of wild asses left their pasture and made for the spade of a wooded crag. Moses followed them and was able to bring to light a number of abundant channels of water whose presence he had deduced from a grassy patch of ground. This relieved their thirst. They traveled on for six days without a break, and on the seventh they expelled the previous inhabitants of Canaan, took over their lands and in them built a holy city and temple.–Tacitus
>>543708708>us white peoplereminder: you're Jewish, and extremely racist, and pretending to be white in order to defame white people.
>>543704475you are not aryan , aryans are supernatural human beings with ties to god and satan.
>>543704475>indo iraniansAre you talking about the Caucausian people that passed through there? You fucking idiot.
>>543709554>i mean ritual as a technology of consciousness, altered states, fasting, dance, repetitive music, isolation, pilgrimage, calendrical systems, medicinal and psychoactive plants, and ways of relating the individual to nature, death and the sacred. you can reject their metaphysics and still recognize a sophisticated civilization investigating human experience through a radically different framework.based. I don't reject the metaphysics
happy Saturday! (Halloween is in FOUR WEEKS)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxyDcHn0efo
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>>543704475true, europeans are cro-magnon. fuck that aryan shit
btw do you guys think Quetzalcoatl an "anti-Semite"?
>>543704475We come from the North Pole, nigger. We teleported here or something.
or: do you think Quetzalcoatl approves of ZOG? I don't think he does!
>>543710958based. then you might actually enjoy going deeper into this.the tonalpohualli is not really an “aztec horoscope”. it is a continuous 260 day ritual count running alongside several other calendrical cycles.the calendar you posted uses the alfonso caso correlation, which is actually one of the standard modern correlations used to align the old mesoamerican day count with the gregorian calendar. azteccalendar.com uses it by default. the one i personally work with is called the cuenta unificada de anahuac, using the ecuacion de tenochtitlan. it attempts to reconstruct the different mesoamerican counts as parts of an interconnected calendrical system.this is a document explaining the calendar i use. unfortunately it is only in spanish:https://studylib.net/doc/27821397/305582808-el-calendario-de-anahuacthe correlation itself is a rabbit hole though. there is still disagreement about exactly how the pre conquest counts should be mapped onto our gregorian calendar.
>>543711600yeah, I leave the defaults but apply my own calculations and also something occult with the Egyptian decans; the Venus calendar is indeed the best
>>543704475All Mexicans must hang
>>543711600https://studylib.net/doc/27821397/305582808-el-calendario-de-anahuacthis is really neat. thanks! I'll deciper as much as I can
>>543705587>a common ancestor>which no one disputesAnon thats the whole premise, thats the Aryans
>>543711735ok now you have my attention.how are you combining the nine lords cycle wih the egyptian decans?and when you say venus calendar, are you working with the 584 day synodic cycle and the five venus cycles to eight solar years relationship?i’m genuinely curious what your fulsystem looks like.
>>543705587>the groups share a common ancestor, which nobody disputeslong disputed; it's called polygenism
>>543712003the mesoamerican calendar has a hidden ten day cycle, e.g. crocodile-monkey, dog-flower
>>543712003and of course it has a hidden ten day cycle, because the decans are real ;)>how are you combining the nine lords cycle wih the egyptian decans?work still in progress (it's all in my head)
>>543712212ahhh ok, so we’re officially in personal occult research territory now, wow. that actually makes more sense.so you’re not saying there’s a documented mesoamerican ten day cycle, you’re saying you suspect one because of the structure you see in the twenty signs and the decans.honestly, write it down when you get the chance. i’d like to see the whole system once it’s outside your head.
>>543711840that would leave my brother’s german wife a widow
>>543712003>and when you say venus calendar, are you working with the 584 day synodic cycle and the five venus cycles to eight solar years relationship?yes, implicitly, it's reflected in the tonalpohualli with no need for modification>>543712379<3you can detect the inherent 10 day cycle by the order of trecenas, e.g. crocodile first day sign and trecena, monkey eleventh day sign and trecena
>>543705749Genetics are not real
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiUNDeuBbi8
what we rediscover is Qualitative Time
>>543713026like so.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf6v59c5yuY
Amusingly enough, I've only ever seen anti-nazi who claim this is what nazi think Aryan are, and cringe as fuck shills who try to derail any discussions into a race wars.Basically a case of the kikes doing kaparot with dead nazi to white wash their own sins of elitism based on genetics/bloodlink/lineage.
>>543704475before the jews brought in the jeets, the posts on pol were about how ireland means aryan, and how irish people are the real.calling sandniggers aryans is a jewish psyop. i could imagine an indo-persian but not indo-iranian, youre only a jewish clown making up foreign words.jeets are "indians" just as much as poles are eskimos.
>>543704475Aryan predates Iran and Persia. Persia and the Greeks have a common ancestry in Perseus.Learn your history. Persia is a fork off Aryan society.
>>543713552https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airyanem_Vaejah
>>us white people>reminder: you're Jewish, and extremely racist, and pretending to be white in order to defame white people.this pretty much sums up the entire thread. i'm out.
>>543704475>indoLook at this fucking clown. It shoved its out of india faggotry in there again.Have fun continuing to seethe about you being the only group that came from that shithole. While you're at it, go the FUCK back.
Saar I am Brahmin saar
>>543713481More likely islamo-irannies trying to mind rape nazis into worshipping them
