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>Boomers are strangely uncurious about how the world is not really working for their kids. It’s always hard to know how much bad faith there is or how bad the actors are. I think it’s odd that people thought it was odd that I was complaining about student debt in 2010, when even then the growth in student debt was an exponential process. The national student debt was $300 billion in 2000, and it’s now more than $2 trillion. At some point, that breaks…
>If all you can say is that Mamdani is a jihadist, communist, ridiculous young person, what that sounds like to me is that you still don’t have any idea what to do about housing or student debt. If that’s the best you can do, you are going to keep losing.
Why do we hate this guy again?
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>>543704577
>venture capitalist promoting social debting
Wow! He must be my friend!
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>>543704577
>capitalism doesn't work when people are paid in pennies
wow very insightful sirs.
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>>543704577
Show your real flag and tell us how shitty your life is right now.
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>>543704577
It's not about money. For me, I don't want to have kids because the country is becoming so brown it is unethical to have White children here. That takes all the motivation I have for doing anything than just working and going home. Immigration is capitalism's fault, so he's not wrong.
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>>543704577
But what is he going to do about it?
Oh, that's right, he fled to Argentina and has a SECOND backup in Uruguay.
When people talk about "rootless cosmopolitans" this is what they mean.
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>Stanford is West Coast Maoist HQ
>Karp is a Judeo-Bolshevik and brags about it
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>>543704577
>>Boomers are strangely uncurious about how the world is not really working for their kids
fox news is a hell of a drug
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>>543704577
>what that sounds like to me is that you still don’t have any idea what to do about housing or student debt.
I am paying my debts away one payment at a time
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>>543704577
I don’t understand why people with student loans just don’t go on a national debt strike. If one person stops paying they go after them, but if everyone stops paying at once, then it’s their problem.
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>>543704577
>CIA uses AI to guestimate a public relations campaign speech to appeal to youngsters who want to cut their heads off
>anudda /ourguy/ posts on 4chan to advertise the fact
NSA niggers, not like this. just die with dignity at least.
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>>543704577
>be kike
>create game where goys can only lose
>force goys to play
>blame goys if they lose
and then one day for no reason at all
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>>543704577
>It’s always hard to know how much bad faith there is or how bad the actors are.
This at least is a worthwhile observation
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>>543704577
Doesn't your bunghole get permanent damage when it's constantly rammed? I've strained to shit for years and have hemorrhoids that have to be removed. I can't imagine putting a dick in there.
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>>543704577
Schizo anon here. The reason the Boomers are backpedaling is because they planned to crash the economy AND the internet via something akin to the DATAKRASH from Cyberpunk.

I know, because glowniggers gave me the Morris Worm code and expected me to use it on the various available LLM's to initiate a civilizational collapse.
I refused to do it at the last second though, mostly because I enjoy watching them SQUIRM LOL.

Cyberpandemic canceled.
Welcome to the BEST TIMELINE!!!
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>>543704577
part of the psyop that continues convincing the malleable morons that the most centrally planned and globalized economy of all-time is heckin capitalism
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>>543704577
PrEPer Thiel isn't exactly wrong, but he needs to go regardless of his trying to curry favor with the public and avoid backlash against his global influence.
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>>543704577
Peter was right again award!
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Capitalism only works in a white country with white leaders like Henry Ford. People on the top need to have some level of respect and sympathy for their customer and work force and when you lose that you lose everything
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What fucking Capitalism do we have? Every fucking retard who says we have Capitalism needs to try to go start their own business and see how many goddamn government regulations and taxes they have to put up with, all while conglomerates get more tax dollar handouts and special exceptions to laws that the rest of us have to follow. Can I import my own coca leaves? Can I legally make cocaine and sell it?
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>>543704577
They might scapegoat Trump
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>>543706765
And no fiat money.
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>>543705391
/thread
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Capitalism isn't working for young WHITE MEN
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>>543705034
People with student debt aren't intelligent and responsible enough to do that, and they certainly aren't capable of unionizing and pulling off something that complex. They should be blaming the government and schools for lying to them. Some people are only fit enough for fruit picking or service jobs. Those are the kinds of people that take on a $60,000 non-dischargeable loan at age 18.
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>>543705034
They will just take it from your salary, genius
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>>543704737
but what about the shareholders
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>>543704577

Why is the Rhodesian bareback paying for 4chan posts?
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>>543704577
>>543704679
>>543704737
I am unironically starting to like Thiel.
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>>543706969
Conglomerates were dismantled by corporate raiders in the 70s and 80s. The fact you don't know this is a great demonstration that you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
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>>543706393
Peter Thiel is just used as a boody man at this point. Jews and Chabad trying to deflect away from them at one of the few only white oligarchs. It wasnt peter Thiel who pushed for the greenland anexation, is Ronald Lauder. It wasnt Peter thiel who pushed for trump to buy tainted beef from Argentina, it was Jared because the beef came from his chabad buddy in argentina. It wasnt Peter Thiel who was sabotaging all the peace negotiations with Iran, it was Jared passing all the info to netanyahu and sabotaging the entire process. It wasnt Peter Thiel who consolidated all the largest media companies with bari weiss, it was Larry Ellison.
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>>543707800
>boody
boogy
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>>543704577
he is German of course he is right
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The Palantir board has to be the highest IQ collection of like-minded people anywhere in the world right now

https://investors.palantir.com/governance/board-of-directors
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>>543704737
note: boomers cannot grasp this concept
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>>543704863
>talks about money
>talks about not having white kids
>talks about brownification
Hmmmmm
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>>543704577
Boomers are narcs, and it irritates them that younger people have opinions. To them, the young are NPCs in their game of life and should not be even talking or bothering them.
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>>543707728
>conglomerates were dismantled by corporate raiders in the 70s and 80s blah blah im a stupid nigger
meanwhile, something like 95% of the US economy is financialized, produces no real world good, and exists on the balance sheet of 1 of 5 financial organizations.
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>>543707800
Ok, Pete
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>>543705034
>have student loan debt for tranny history degree
>”only escape” is death or complete disability
>take out personal loan(s), pay off student loans
>file bankruptcy or just don’t pay
>???
>profit
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>>543707900
>Alex Karp
>high IQ
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>>543704577
I really don't know what to make of Peter Thiel.
He's a faggot which is very disgusting and good enough reason to hate him but he also hold a lot of based views.
If you look at it early life, he defended south african apartheid state, he is also against democracy and he is rooted in reality, he said something along the lines of, 'power is ultimately what matters', a very much a Roman principle.
But he is also a self proclaimed libertarian and one of the major share holder of palantir, whose ceo is a jew.
So idk what to make of him, he gives me mixed signals and who knows what his true beliefs are and what are fronts to subvert his enemies.

Idk why unironically I get the feeling is he genuinely one of the smarter ones with a well lay out plan. Maybe I feel that way because he seems to be doing a lot more with his wealth than Elon. Elon seems to hold a lot less power and influence for the amount of wealth he has.
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>>543709157
>Doctorate in Law from Stanford
>founded Palantir with Thiel and now worth $18bn
>durrrr he's low IQ!
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>>543709248
When did I call alex low iq?
I called him a jew which he is. And jews are unironically most formidable enemy of European race and it's always stupid to underestimate your enemies. There's not evidence to suggest they have higher iq than Europeans but they are on par with Europeans. Now combine that with their tribalist nepotistic behaviour and low moral compass (willing to lie, cheat and scam), that gives them a pretty good advantage over their enemies.
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>>543704577
>takes part in creating the problem
>monkey paws you a solution
a tale as old as time
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>>543708179
Is there an argument in this post?
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>>543709248
>durrrrr you need an extremely high IQ to "found Palantir"
what do you mean?
here's the real Thiel story
Thiel started the "Thiel Capital Management" with money from "his family" just a small loan.
So he invested in Max Levchin Fieldlink (jewish inventor of the cryptography process that would soon be used in the palm devices. (when you're a young buck in silicone someone just talk to you and tell you to develop what they need they're going to buy it anyway)
So Thiel not unlike Elon the hostile take-over jester, invested in Fieldlink in 1996, took it over in 1998 to rename it Confinity,
Thiel and Elon were working in the same building at the time and both venture were going pretty badly. Confinity launched the first paypal as a product in 1999. The first "digital wallet" and money transfer service (still asked to do so by his butt fuck buddy from the california Sauna). Elon Musk was working on X.com at the time (the first failed iteration) and he was ALSO trying to do the same but was also failing miseraibly.
In 2000 Elon and Thiel merged their two ventures (still in the same building) because both were failing miserably. At first they kept the x.com name but Elon was so insufferable Thiel pushed him out with the paypal mafia and he replaced him as CEO of x.com in 2000.
2001 x.com is renamed to Paypal by Thiel. (lol take that faggot)
2002 paypal goes public and is bought by Ebay for an outrageous amount of money
all that from anal sex and a small loan life is easy like that
so rich from selling paypal (that nor Thiel or Elon built) they went their own way, working secretly for the US DOD and DARPA to transform "failed" government project into extremely profitable venture capital solely living off government contract
it's when Thiel created Palantir with a direct financing of In-q-tel a front for the CIA.
He even bragged Palantir was exclusively made for 1 client and 1 client only.
No one really knew (and still know) what he's doing.
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>>543704577
Wtf i love the Anti-Christ now.
Hail Peter Thiel, Hail Lucifer!
The great emissary of Satan is right! Better to rule in Hell than to serve in Heaven!
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>>543710779
Palantir has made a lot of people filthy rich and it has an insane 55% profit margin
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>>543704577
He's just stating the obvious so sub 90IQ mouth breathers like you can confuse stating a fact with stating what you actually believe. Peter Thiel is the current architect of the hyper-surveillance state and literally says that being evil is fine as long as you're good at it. He's not upset that capitalism isn't working for young people, he's thrilled about it, it's working fabulously for him. This guy is a homosexual, like all the other Silicon Valley tech demons btw, so he couldn't give a shit what happens to future generations anyway, he's never going to make a child so that's never going to be an issue for him.
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>>543704577
A man that knows all about taking risks….
That lives in Argentina….


Begging a man who left the country to subjugate the country….
Holyshit man….
Need you guys here instead of Iran…. With your uniforms off…. It’s a civilian revolt.
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>>543704577
Peter Theil is trying to overthrow freedom and democracy for his small tribe of Jews. He's been giving lectures for almost 20 years on how to overthrow the US. He's not /our/guy. Last time I checked he's a gay jew. Probably in kahootz with the annoying JIDF on this site.
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>>543711076
Peter Theil literally gives anti-christ lectures outside the Vatican and how to enslave us with fears of AI, nuclear war, famine, etc. Anything to scare us into giving up our freedom. And it's been working for him so far.
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>>543711076
Thiel is JD Vance’s biggest backer
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the fact that the feds go after us for shitposting on here, but not after actual figure heads trying to ruin our country like Peter is mind boggling, but predictable
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The secret society around Trump and the Paypal Mafia has working sophisticated Remote-Brain-Computer Technology which is capable of invading human mind from a great distance. A new level of torment to subjugate and extort enemies via external schizophrenia and playing continuous terror loops on human mind is reality.
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He's right, technofeudalism is much better economic system. The reality is that whatever we have right now is not capitalism.
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>>543704577
Peter Thiel would know that capitalism isn't working for young people because he is one of those capitalists actively working against young people. Anyone found out believing otherwise is 99% a foreskinless migger
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>>543704577
I'm glad my dad isn't a stupid boomer and realizes shit's fucked especially with housing
Unfortunately he's overly pro Israel but y'know tradeoffs and whatnot
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>>543704577
>Why do we hate this guy again?
Because he saw the problem and decided to make the world even worse for personal profit
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>>543704577
I can assure you that Thiel cares neither for young people or people in general.
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>>543704577
>uncurious
Kill yourself
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>>543704577
>>If all you can say is that Mamdani is a jihadist, communist, ridiculous young person, what that sounds like to me is that you still don’t have any idea what to do about housing or student debt
Perhaps we should stop convincing students from kindergarten to 12th grade that they absolutely have to go to college no matter what or their life is over. Most people have no business going to university and are just fucking around and getting into serious debt for nothing. Meanwhile, manufacturing and other serious blue-collar jobs are either being outsourced overseas or to labor from illegal immigrants inside the US. Maybe have active parents who are actually paying attention to the world and who know how the game is actually played and are actually looking out for their kid’s best interest tell them that college is mostly a scam and not worth it for most applicants
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>>543704577
We need National Capitalism.
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>>543704577
>just tax the debt away, bro
Socialized debt is just taxation, what he is talking about is bailing out investment firms via banks that loaned to students.
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He only wants young people to have more money so they're happier and healthier so he can get better quality blood from them.
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>>543711204
>foreskinless
Gonna steal that
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>>543704577
Now say that again without the government bailing out the stock market
THE STOCK MARKET IS COMMUNISM
get it inside your chimp skull already
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>>543711170
yep that's why JD Vance is a useful idiot who says he welcomes the end times
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>>543704577
>muh capitalism doesn't work
>USA is still the richest nation on the planet
Capitalism works so damn well even US citizens can afford dabbling in communist ideologies without starving like North Korea and those shithole african nations.
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He left for a reason.
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>>543707728
he is right, you are unironically too stupid for this conversation
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>>543705391
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>>543711467
You may have a nazi flag on, and yes I am disrespecting it by not capitalizing the n. But that person is (not) stupid.

Capitalism is bullshit. It does not work. hitler and the left agree on that.

I made a promise that I would not accept fascism. I intend to keep that promise. Fascism is not acceptable. Neither is national socialism. Civic pride is one thing, but nationalism is another. Many conversations.
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>>543704577
Thiel was right about everything, even in the 90s.
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>>543710897
fair enough but that's the real story anyway
from Palantir to Facebook to Amazon AWS to Twitter, Polymarket, they're all DARPA projects that were suddenly stopped and reappeared "in the wild" to make a lot of people a lot of money.
Ultimately Palantir was created for the CIA and DOD and is an unaccountable extension of the federal government.
Also a direct proof the federal government went rog and is not subject to the enforcement of US federal laws themselves.
It's really similar to a coup where they seize control of institutions.
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>>543710779
>Epstein hated him
>Thiel hates him
>Trump hates him
Is there anyone who likes this guy?
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>>543711764
lul it does look like that
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>>543711764
Is Thiel in the Epstein files?
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>>543711444
>>USA is still the richest nation on the planet
"Richest" by what metric? GDP? Don't make us laugh, memeflag.

>we are richer because we print more currency!!!11!
What a fucking joke.
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>>543704577
things aren't going to start getting better until maybe 10 to 20 years from now when most boomers are out of power. they do not give a shit about anyone but their selves. only then can we start fixing things.
at least I'm learning from their example to realize when I'm old to teach the young and help them out and get out of the way. and to realize that things change over time and tell myself its not the same as when I was a kid
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>>543704577
In capitalism, people save money. Scraping it together, squirreling it away, doing anything they can to not spend it on things that don't matter. This is the "capital" that they then use to go into business.

Zoomers aren't capitalists. If you explained to them what capital was and how to acquire it, they would recoil in shock and terror. Zoomers are spendthrifts. They have no ability to comprehend that you can buy things that will bring in revenue instead of just being a disposable doodad or 'experience". I doubt they could even make sense of the words if you tried to describe it to them.
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>>543704577
Begone! Space Vampire, Thiel! Begone!!
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>>543704577
My dad was talking about the unemployment numbers being the lowest ever implying there's no reason why I don't have a job. He then talked about how low inflation is (after they subtract oil).

Bloomberg/CNBC have these boomers wrapped around their little fingers
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>>543711904
>NPCs
Talked about this.
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>>543705025
took me till 42 to have them all paid off.
i recommend not being born
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>>543712116
And what I mean by that is, we have shared many conversations where I have explained to you, yes you personally about why it is wrong to dehumanize people who do not have inner speech. They are not living in a video game and neither are you. I don't care how many times I have to say it. Dehumanizing people is wrong.
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>>543712001
Zoomers arent real, also puberty is fake.
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>>543712229
Reality deniers how do you cope with the fact that the sky is fucking blue?
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>>543704577
Omg guys he's literally us we have to have a parasocial relationship with peter thiel and all his friends and be a republicans but but based and gay and not cringe like boomers haha WTF i'm vooooting for Vance now
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>>543712187
>Dehumanizing people is wrong.
it is, but the people who say this and get hung up on it tend to be the ones who have done the most heinous shit. have you eaten a child? what did you do to become such a performative, nosy little busybody?
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>>543712549
The people who say dehumanizing is wrong will argue with you eternally why it’s a great thing to dehumanize men but especially White people. Then they will say it doesn’t exist when you point it out, and they just stare at you.
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>>543704577
>Why do we hate this guy again?
You have misunderstood the framing and message of this interview.
He's not saying
>young people are having a hard time of it, oh how my heart bleeds, let's help them
He's saying
>my fellow oligachs, wake up, we've got Elite Overproduction on steroids about to break through, let's urgently get the NWO gulag down quickly before we're all guillotined
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Capitalism isn't the issue it's corporatism, protection rackets, bullshit regulations that stifle upstart companies which may threaten established companies.
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>>543704577
Isn't that a pseudo-intellectual gay pedophile?
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>>543712810
Capitalism only can exist on paper. Corporatism is an okayish system that works in the real world.
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>>543712736
using pronouns is dehumanizing to women also, because he will never be one and his impetus to impose un-reality onto all of us against our will is inherently invasive and predatory as he will never NEVER be a woman under any circumstances whatsoever
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>>543712998
>hurr durr capitalism only exists on paper derpy doo
Nevermind how it lifted more people out of poverty than any other single system/religion/thing in world history.
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>>543704577
I'm sure they'll love his gay authoritarian "not capitalism"
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>>543704577
Peter Thiel thinks he knows me , but he doesn´t know i own him xD
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>>543704577
the real question is why are 85+ year olds on their death beds still fighting to influence the world. it's because they owe their souls to demons and they don't wanna pay up.
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>>543704577
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>>543704577
>Judaism isn't working
Ftfy. It's over for these kikes and they cks see the writing on the wall
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>>543713378
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>>543706765
There are no Henry Fords anymore.
Capitalism transforned from the individual factory owner-capitalist to the joint stock financialized system that exists today. The former only exists now only as a nostalgic figure in the imagations of both capitalism's proponents and capitalism's opponents.
Owners of capital are now irrelevant. Only managers of capital are relevant.
This is how the state was captured. Managment of all the world's capital is in the hands of men who could all sit inside the same bus.
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>>543711833
Yeah. They mention his very strange diet requirements
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>>543713212
You are thinking like a pleb. The elite think generationally.
The family firm matters. The bloodline matters.
The individual is simply a temporary steward.
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>>543705034
because people are too stupid, short-sighted, cowardly, and weak to ever do something organized like that spontaneously

imagine if every right-winger didnt go to work on monday
yeah we'd own the country by friday
will right-wingers ever do something like that?
of course not; they're cucks
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>>543704577
The US isn't capitalist at all, so the government isn't working for young people.
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>>543713941
ya but that old man who yells at clouds on msnpc doesn't have a powerful bloodline he's just a retard
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>>543704577
No source
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>>543713394
Secular Jews are smarter than you.
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>>543713394
You are quite literally so stupid that you actually believe that you changing one letter can fool advanced AI detection systems.
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>>543704577
>>Boomers are strangely uncurious about how the world is not really working for their kids.

Grandkids and great-grandkids, at this point.

The world changed and they didn't. Whose fault is that? The world's, of course.
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And just to be on the safe side,
I meant this: You think that some people are using AI detection systems on this board for the explicit purpose of monitoring people. You are correct. However, you are incorrect when it comes to the efficacy of substitution ciphers.
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>>543704577
Thiel is /ourguy/. Why do you guys hate him? Because he's white?
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>>543704577
I don't care about money I just want to live far away from niggers.
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>>543704737
Yes but this is actually a very true thing that western governments seem to have forgotten. The whole infinite currency debasement to juice the stock market thing is basically an attempt to do a supply-driven economy, where it's like "it doesn't matter if there are no customers, no demand, we'll just supply cheap money to keep building things that don't serve anyone". And that's not how economies work, economies are demand driven, you need customers.

This means you can't just run inflationary economies forever and it means you can't just have infinitely cheap labour, there needs to be some kind of balance so people can buy stuff.
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>>543704577
this the same nigga that said evil is good
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>>543715448
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Capitalism is not the system anyone should support.
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The REAL STAKES
THAT YOU ACCEPTED LOL
Told you
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T H E
I R O N Y
I S
R I C H

https://fs.blog/peter-thiel-zero-to-one/

(Wraith King)
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>>543704577
>lift zoning restrictions and subsidize new development while employing domestic contractors, plumbers, etc.
>make it so 4 years of military service forgives ALL student loan debt & child support arrears
I know, so difficult
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>>543715504
They didn’t forget. The intentionally ditched demand side economics for supply side economics, because the goyim enjoy too much power in the former.
Politics supersedes economics.
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Fake headline, no source?
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>>543707630
No, he is not in our side.
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>>543715909
This. This isn’t free-market capitalism. Supply & demand isn’t being followed, every attempt at a meritocracy is thwarted. And that’s the headache, they will never let you implement anything that resolves key issues long-term. They’d rather be the “kings of hell” than the “servants of heaven”.
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>>543704577
This is his PR firms damage control measure for this week. Thiel legit believes he one day will pass away peacefully in his bed at home surrounded by loves ones.

2026 + 1984 = 1789 nigga
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>>543704577
This is not capitalism, this is a plutocracy composed of various communities. It must come to an end immediately. The remedy is certainly not some half baked horse and buggy era ideology contrived by an incel slob.
We're going to take a pass on communism. We're going to give a republic with an egalitarian ethos a shot. Tragically, we may have to sacrifice diversity in pursuit of this, as you cannot have equality and diversity. It never works. Well end up a patchwork of fiefdoms and neo feudal lords.
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>>543704577
Still better than anything else.
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>>543713378
>>543713408
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this nigga is so scared lmao
love seeing that dude sweat every time he needs to show his face in public
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>>543716221
Go back to r/atheism bro Christ is KING here
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>>543716221
Christ is King, go back to plebbit
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>>543716263
>>543716303
stop watching porn then
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>>543716303

Yeshua rapes kids
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>>543707800
All these billionaires belong in a woodchipper. They're no good to anyone or anything
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>>543716340
"yeshua" was made up and you are an incontinent prostitute
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>>543716335
Hentai isnt porn it's art plus either way thats between me and saint Peter
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>>543716447
>thats between me and saint Peter
no, you will be burned at the stake for witchcraft if you don't stop watching porn while claiming to be christian, your flesh will render off of your body like pork fat then you will go to hell probably
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>>543707800
>Nooo it's just da jooish billionaires not my heckin wholesome vvhite vrillionaires
Nope, they all deserve to burn.
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>>543704577
Most young people don't have much capital, so it makes sense that they are the underclass in a system called "capitalism". It also makes sense that the true elite in such a system are international jewish bankers that can create capital out of thin air and loan it to their associates at will.
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>>543716523
Ill be cooked with respect: low and slow thabk you very much
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>>543716781
you get the wicker man sorry chuddie
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>>543704577
>Capitalism isn't working for young people
Read between the lines commies-libtrannies, he did not say he supports you.
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>>543715934
Real headline behind payroll at free press
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>>543716523
>women cheat on masse, destroy their families with divorce, and murder their children.
>I sleep
>a single guy with no dating prospects has a wank to some porn
>REEEEEEEEEEE YOU'LL GO TO HELL
Go fuck yourself, faggot, you put pussy over God
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>>543707630
Kill yourself Peter.
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>>543705868
Many of the posters here get it. But I'm not sure they really realize what's happened.

The government now owns controlling shares of every company on the stock market.


Under Trump this term the mask is coming off and in the open they official have controlling shares of US Steel, Intel, Lithium America, MP materials and 30 others.

However, it is still a secret that they actually control everything via hedge funds like Vanguard.

The US is communist right now!
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>>543707800
Pete is a Jew, chud
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Because capitalism is dead since mid' 80 and jewcorporatism aka goymmunism with a capital face owns everything. Day after day these cross-nations behemoths dictating laws everywhere ensure private property and small businesses are erased but for them. Same 150 old trick, works every time.



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