We might fumble some retarded shit no one cares about like "walkable cities" and gay buses but when something absolutely has to die, we're the biggest swinging dicks on the block.
>>543718803>doubt
>>543718803lol, lmao even
Even if you win, you still lose.
>>543718803Mate you can't even beat the Houthis
>>543718803Maybe in a battle in 2012. They will out build us in drones 1000/1. Everything else is obsolete.
>>543719177Imagine that, a country losing a naval battle to a country with navy.The US are truly born losers
>>543719277*no navy
I think having a superior infantry or pilots isn't as valuable as manufacturing.
>>543718803You are a paper tiger and everyone knows it except you.
>>543718803China already has an army's worth of men on US soil not even sure there's a plan to deal with it hope I'm wrong. That could get real, fast. Pic related.
>>543718803In places to live? Sure, but we're not the best firstie cunt by a mile in that.Militarily? I'm not so sure anymore. We've been shown how our overpriced weapons are not terribly effective when dealing with a foe that actually has the will to fight.
You mutts can only pick on weakling 3rd world shitholes which can barely defend themselves or are already halfway demoralized and defeated.You pussies will NEVER start war with Chinks, because they can and will give you a proper run for your money.
>>543718803you lost every single one of your own fucking wargamesand that was 10 years ago, before all that drone shit even started
>>543718803>Can we just agree we'd still kick China's ass?nope, we would lose.
>>543718803Not anymore.
>>543718803Oh yeah. America could destroy China in a heartbeat. We can destroy any country if we want, and often have post-WWII. We're the iron giant. An indestructable Rome larger than Europe, rich in resources and industry, protected on all sides by thousands of miles of ocean. Bow to your leader, vassal states of America.
>>543718803>Can we just agree we'd still kick China's ass?We don't have solid and legit numbers. China lies, you lie. It's impossible to make a claim based on what is told. Yes, everything online gives us an insight but all is faked by either the US or China. So nothing is legit. All is fake. We can't know. That it. We CAN'T. nobody. Not even the people working for them.
543719564Herro wumao. No (You) for you. Tiananmen Square Massacre.
>>543718803Once both go full war industry USA gets fucked long term. China has ballistic missiles that can easily hit USA. But USA can also hit China hard. It would ruin both sides completely. Like what is happening in Ukraine and Russia but x1000. So it's completely unrealistic. Neither side wants that.
>>543718803That's cute. Now go to the toy shop and look at the bottom of some of the products there. See where they come from. Then go to the shop next door and see what they make and where that comes from. You might find a great deal of those items are manufactured in China. Now cast your minds eye to encompass your city. Your county. Your state. Your country. My country. His country. Imagine all the shops in all the world and what it must take to fill them all with Chinese products. Now imagine all those manufactories. Now imagine the day the order comes down that these factories are no longer to produce toys for global markets, but weapons of war for Chinas theatres. Maybe you can admit there might be a problem. I flew in to Beijing once, the arid land to the northwest if the city rammed full of factories as far as the eye can see from a plane. Constant for over an hour. That was 10 years ago. We can make war on China but it would take a (very) long time and people would rather play with their toys than dodge their bullets. Nothing is certain.
>>543719939LoLWW2 literally brought jewSA out of it's depression, at the expense of raping yoorope and brain draining Nazi Germany.If those yankee pirates want to pull out of their spiral again, this time they'll have to go up against someone that'll trash them so hard they won't recover for the next 100 years.
You can't even defeat Iran
>>543718803>we Glownigger detected. You coons, blue hairs, fags, women, trannies, and kikes aren't going to do shit to the Han juggernaut. All Chang has to do is kick you out of his side of the pacific, and you can't stop his land based missiles no matter how hard you try. A society that strips its greatest minds of their greatest honors simply for telling the truth about nature (watson for one) is never going to defeat a nationalist entity that knows who and what it is, chink or otherwise.
>>543718803Your army is mostly browns and fags and retards who chop off their dicks. How exactly do you expect them to win a war?They can't even stay 3 months on a boat without blocking the shitters, starting fires, and jumping overboard.
>>543718803it really just depends on who can manufacture more ai powered robots of death and who the invader is. home ice advantage will definitely be a factor in any war. especially a trans-continental war.
>>543718803>We might fumble some retarded shit no one cares aboutLike every single war the US has fought?>>543719384>I think having a superior infantry or pilots isn't as valuable as manufacturing.Iranian pilots have 100x the combat flight hours of American pilots in this generation. There are TopGun graduates with 500 flight hours in the last few years. America does not have superior infantry to China.>>543719441>In places to live? SureChina outperforms America in all Quality of Life metrics.>>543719939>Like what is happening in Ukraine and Russia but x1000.The USA does not have 1000x the capacity for violence of Russia. America has less personnel with worse training spread over a larger area using equipment that's decades out of date.>China has ballistic missiles that can easily hit USA.China gets 600k student Visa's a year, putting 2.4 million college aged Chinese men on American soil at any given moment.
>>543718803"We" would not kick chinas ass. With what? No interceptors left, shitty rusty ships that can't be resupplied. A volunteer army of queers who would kill themselves before reaching the first line of contact. Oh btw, China has all of "our" technology and knows how all of it works down to the circuit boards due to trumps putting it all on display in Iran and Ukraine like a fucking retard. It would be over very quickly with a Chinese win IF they decided to actually fight back and not slow roll responses like Iran is doing. All US bases that would be used are easily in range of missiles that are even better than what Iran has and china has a fleet of submarines that are on par with America. It would be a bloodbath.
>>543718803>we can't create anything notable or worth a shit anymore but we sure can kill and destroy!yeah sounds about right for this golem cattle nation
>>543718803you're currently getting BTFO by a bunch of towel heads you retarded mutt, China would rinse you.
>>543720064The point you make is still not capturing the scale of China. Despite making every item on every store shelf in every other country, goods exports only make up 19% of their GDP.>We can make war on China but it would take a (very) long timeThe entirety of NATO is struggling to wage a war against Russia, and the US has lost a war against Iran's missile force, which has 15,000 personnel and a budget in the low billions. America has no way to wage war against China for the same reason that it couldn't fight North Korea or Yemen earlier in Trump's presidency.
>>543720673>The entirety of NATO is struggling to wage a war against RussiaIt was real in my mind
>>543720673You're probably right >>543720673Well Russia is sanctioned by all of NATO just made the west weaker, even less competitive than ever due to hamstringing ourselves with (((green taxes))) and disregarding or even shutting down what little cheap energy sources we have left. Simultaneously give up the mantle of cultural leadership by going in for this homosex stuff. Russia has China and they have their new civilization in the stans and the jans which noone really talks about, far from the auspices of menacing carrier groups or naval assets. The west is basically irrelevant. The Chinese won't even need to make war on us they can just ignore us. The Russians didn't need to turn off the taps, we did it to ourselves. Madness
>>543718803Nope. China has seen that American anti-missile systems are ineffective.
>>543719433>That could get real, fast. Pic related.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPrXJFwctDUThe segment in question.And Gadhaffi is on point.The hijackers were trained in the US, they took off from US airports.Nobody has been taken to court to prove their direct involvement in the hijackings.The whole 9/11 saga is just the US showing grainy videos of some aircraft hitting the twin towers, something looking like a cruise missile hitting the pentagon (no images released apart from the one camera they forgot to wipe) and an impossible crater near washington.9/11 is 100% an american product.This is very shaky evidence, and when we see how it was used it does lend itself to just as likely be a US government conspiracy.
>>543720214"even". They have huge mountainous country with 90 million people of which invading from the sea would make the d-day landing look like casual excercise, state-of-the-art missile technology developed in cooperation with Russians and Chinese who provide the best guidance systems available. The murder of their top ranking officials without declaration of war galvanized their population.The United States are fighting literally on the other side of the world from their home turf of western hemisphere, a war that is not existential or of great strategic interests, who have planned on pulling away from middle-east for a long time now, with divided population.Try any shit in the western hemisphere or threaten their strategic assets and you will be annihilated.
>>543718803We can't beat Iranshut up faggot
>>543718803The USA would have decidedly won any bout with the Chinese up to about 2018, right now I think China could eke out an extremely pyrrhic win that would see both the USA and China lose their grip on asian maritime territory, you'd see Indonesia fill the void. Chinese naval production is outpacing any shortcomings they'd have had from a lack of proven doctrine and real wartime experience. New US carrier and submarine production has slowed, the production of replacements for the Burkes and Tico's is dead in the water the LCS was a generational embarrassment, the Constellation was almost a good idea, the FF(X) is a fucking retarded idea, you'd be better off buying the technical package for the River-Class from leafland instead.
>>543721026>It was real in my mindThe stormshadows fired into Russian territory are provided by Britain. The training to use them is provided by Britain. British intelligence picks the targets. American satellites provide the guidance for the missiles. The moeny Ukraine spends comes from NATO. The leadership decisions are made by NATO. The weapons Ukraine uses are all provided by NATO. You can find abundant photos of dead NATO soldiers flagged as Ukrainian. You aren't even gaslighting when you deny NATO's commitment. You're just stupid.
>>543721885>Try any shit in the western hemisphere or threaten their strategic assets and you will be annihilatedI hate to break it to you but Iran wants fuck all to do with thatThey just want to do business with the rest of the world without the jews being petty faggots and getting in the way
>>543718803No you would not.For you to win against China, not only do you need to arm up, but you need to redo the entire military and who is in charge and everything. You can fuck up Venezuela, and Cuba and tiny shit countries, but countries with a certain size? Forget about it. You win everything in video games and Hollywood movies and it looks cool as shit with Chuck Norris blowing up a building while jumping out of it on a bike with rockets, but reality has proven to be very different.You have been extremely good at the marketing of your military, but considering how your situation is today with countries who has a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of your economy AND military, I can with 110% certainty, you wont stand a chance against China.To put a positive spin on it though, I dont think China would be able to win over you either, but you would both just get stuck in a war that would only cause tons of lives and no ending in sight.
>>543722190The real issue is that America has not been in a peer war since arguably WW2I mean the Cold War at least made everybody prepare for a peer war with the Soviet Union but ever since it collapsed, the USA has not been fighting a peer war nor adequately prepare for one.
>>543722033vranyo brained "as long as i don't call it a proxy war, i'm technically right" cope
And this is all without mentioning the US spaffed a whole load of it's weapons bombing rocks in its ill conceived campaign against Tehran, a capital so far away it might as well be on another planet. Abandoning any last pretence of diplomacy by killing diplomatic missions during negotiations. It's a black comedy at this point, except no one is laughing.
>>543722317True.You have had military operations basically and just like most countries within NATO, has been training for war. When things really happens it has been proven now that no one know what will happen tomorrow and the day after. So I do honestly believe that no country of any size will be able to win over a country who is a certain size also. Its why I also believe that if China goes aginst Taiwan, that war will end in both getting stuck also. China has not had a real war either in a very long time. And no matter how many training exercises they have, I dont think it will make the situation better at the real battlefield.The only way superpowers can win fast is if they use nukes, and we all know they wont.
>>543722622I mean look at our small armsThe M4 is a good rifle for urban warfare but 14.5 inch 5.56 barrels pale in comparison to 18 inch 7.62x51 barrels.And only know we've managed to get a comparable rifle in a caliber that can match the strength of 7.62x51.The SIG Spear (M7) in 6.8x51 is probably the closest we got to a battle rifle which is very necessary in trenches
You can't have your China before you ate your Iran, dear.
>>543721638OH this is good. Ghaddafi spitting all facts (may Allahs mercy be upon him) "we'll be right back..." I can't find my "shut it down" memes, picrel will have to do.
>>543718803Not in their backyard you wouldn't. Can't even bring Iran to heel.
