The recent failed execution of Pike has shed light in the issue. >over 7% of lethal injections are botched>electrocution is agonizing, with 2% being botched (people catching on fire or otherwise requiring a multiple jolts)>gas chambers create a serious chemical hazard for staff, including the dead body>hypoxia is just straight up horrifying and unpredictable A 500kg mass falling 10m produced around 49,000 joules of energy. On a theoretically completely rigid stop, this would result in something outrageous like 49 MN (49,000,000 Newtons).Now, the actual force produced depends on stopping distance. A 1 meter stopping distance would result in 49,000 Newtons. 10cm stopping distance would be 490,000. Itās the basic work-energy principle.It only takes about 2,400 Newtons to squish a human skull like a grape.Imagine two 10m (30ft) vertical poles roughly three feet apart. Between them is a 1m long, 12ā diameter steel rod. It slides along the poles on linear bearings. The condemned is positions so the weight nearly free falls onto their heads, squishing it between the steel rod and a steel strike plate.
The guillotine is very reliableNitrogen asphyxiation puts you right to sleep and you don't even feel out of breath
>>543735655damn seeing gallagher on /pol/ is not something i thought i'd ever see
>>543735655Hang that Nigger !Hang that Nigger Now !
Bring back public hangings...What good is the death penalty as a deterrent if no one sees it happen.
>>543735655man, Gallagher or the venues probably wouldn't even be able to get insurance for a show these days (whoever the contracts state it falls upon).
>>543735655I'd like to sit on someone's head until it is fully engulfed in my ass and then i'd pinch their head off with my asshole.
>>543735655Roller coaster death machine
Take the China pill. Single bullet and then charge it to the next of kin. Simple, effective, clean, just
>>543735655Skip it all.Do a firing squad.Use the state national guard.If they decline just ask for volunteers.Its quick, respectful, cheap and gets the job done. In a rare case where they survive the volley, the officer just shoots one in the heart.
>>543735655execution squadalso checked
>>543735891>ChinaYou mean organ harvesting
>>543735655>>543735822>>543735869holy fuck i didn't know gallagher was based this whole time
>>543735655You guys still have the firing squad but that is a noble death only soldiers should get. Hanging is the ultimate shameful way to go for criminals because it can be done out in the open and they perfected it so no shenanigans allowed. In my country you used to be able to volunteer as the executioner there was actually a list you'd apply to get on and you'd hang some degenerate traitor on the weekend
>>543735655Electric chair executions can have amazing side effects like the condemned's eyeballs popping right out his frying head just squirting right across the room
>>543735779>guillotineThe victim remains conscious for about 30 seconds. >hypoxiaNitrogen hypoxia is god awful. The first such execution was just a few years ago and took 22 minutes. Victims continuously gasp for air, then begin convulsing for around 19 minutes on average. Thereās zero evidence to the ājust fall asleepā theory. In fact, weāve witnessed the exact opposite.Squishing heads like a grape with a giant weight like something from Looney Tunes is a more realistic, more humane approach.
>>543735655velcome to hydraulik press channel
>>543735779But the head might look at you after it was chopped off. Would you want that head looking at you? With its eyes?
>>543735655Firing squad. It ain't hard.
>>543735655It's called a firing squad
>>543735655You can't get quicker or surer than someone's head in a pile driver, or your solution. Yah it's a mess, but no one can argue the person felt pain - there's so much setup and ceremony in other methods, we can figure it out.
>>543736054>People do not remain meaningfully conscious after a guillotine execution, though a brief window of a few seconds of cellular activity or reflexive movement is possible.
What's wrong with the firing squad? Going out like that is more dignified than being snuffed out or zapped like an insect with gases, chemicals, and electric elements.
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>>543736122You see eyes looking around - what are you talking about?
>>543736009You don't have to do everything they do. Just the quick execution part
>>543736031I need to find these routines.
>>543735655Just want us to do it?
>>543736164It takes some seconds to die. Look up suicide methods - getting shot in the heart and / or lungs takes a bit to take effect. Ideally death would be instant. OP's suggestion is the best.
>>543735858fourth post, best post
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>>543735779>The guillotine is very reliableThe French had it down to a precise and flawless operation. There is a vid floating out there of the last execution (intentionally) captured on early film photography from a second or third story balcony.
>>543736031Go see his O&A appearances, his discussion Patrice is some of the best radio ever.
>>543735655Reject modernity, embrace tradition.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanged,_drawn_and_quartered
>>543735779FUCK OFF WITH YOU GUILLOTINE PSYOPING KIKE. KIKES WANT TO BRING BACK THE GUILLOTINE SO THEY CAN WATCH GOYIM HEADS ROLL. EVERY SINGLE THREAD FOR THIS SHIT, IT'S NOT FIRESQUADS, IT'S THE GUILLOTINE. NOT A CLEAN HEAD SHOT BUT THEY WANT THE GOY TO KNOW ITS HAPPENING. FUCK YOU EVIL GLOWNIGGER FAGGOTS.
>>543735655Giant hydraulic press
>>543736241It doesn't do anything a good guillotine wouldn't handle, or in that TN woman's case, a more traditional three-stage lethal injection would ahve served better than the barbiturates
>>543735655Your overthinking this. The chinese had this figured out. A single bullet to the base of the skull is 100% lethal and virtually pain free. The next of kin is charged the price for the bullet. A short statement is given before the execution by the offender confessing their guilt.
>>543735655>electrocution is agonizingJust increase the voltage.
Imo you cant have anything that wrecks the body or head or looks too brutal, just from an optics standpoint if you wanna keep death penalties popular
>>543735822>gallagher on /pol/ is not something i thought i'd ever seeI posted that pic while trolling someone about a week ago. Like all novel content it gets picked up by shills and bots. Try it sometime, it works.
>>543736054Steel Foundry Crucible > Train > Bullets
>>543736109Exactly. The entire idea is that the failure rate would be very small. Hangings and firing squads have abysmally poor track records. Another option would be a curse coffin with a bullet-proof viewing window and a gun-like apparatus pointed at the head. The condemned is strapped into the box with their head immobilized. The apparatus fires a single shotgun slug, destroying the brain instantly. The entire enclosure is then buried or burned. Contrary to what Jewish Hollywood has told everyone, a pistol round to the brain doesnāt cause instant death. You can even see suicide videos where the person is moaning in severe distress as their brains bleed to death. Juxtaposed to shotgun suicides, where the head basically exploded, and thereās no comparison.
>>543736241>getting shot in the heart and / or lungs takes a bit to take effectThen shoot them in the fucking head then retard. A shotgun from six inches away won't fail.
>>543736460>Contrary to what Jewish Hollywood has told everyoneShould we now forgo our intelligence because shlomo ekelstein said so or what is their plan.I mean they should know by now.
Just send them to Australia. Death penalty is immoral.
>>543736173works every time
>>543735655Why is this a problem at all? Use any method you like, repeat until done as necessary. Anyone who racked up enough offenses to get death penalty surely didn't bother to be humane about it, why should you care about being humane towards him?
>>543736054>30 secondsI don't see a problem. She may be guilty of murder but she still deserves to watch me cum.
>>543736122Patently false. The guillotine absolutely does not kill people instantaneously. Why would it? The brain has to be destroyed instantly to end consciousness. Removing blood flow doesnāt destroyed the brain right away.>>543736370The three-drug approach still has the horrible track record of being botched (again, itās over 7%). Plus sourcing the drugs has become increasingly difficult. Louisiana didnāt have any executions for 12 years because they couldnāt source them. They eventually went back to electrocution (and hypoxia).
>>543735655I don't know why we can't just do morphine/heroin/fentanyl overdoses.It seems like it would quash the "cruel and unusual punishment" arguments lefties make. How can it be cruel if you go out feeling amazing and then just fall asleep and stop breathing?
Euthanasol (Phenytoin/pentobarbital) works reliably on animals, 5 times the dose for a cow and there is 100% guaranty the sentenced goes to hades. B-but it's not approved for human use. kek
>>543736784She was given a high dose of a barbiturate pentobarbital the strongest benzos known to man. She probably felt like she was going into a deep sleep.
>>543735655noose and tree
>>543736852Yet here we are, with a now-famously failed execution.
>>543735655drilling a hole in the head and filling it with liquid shit. Gathered from all the people karmically related to the victim of the crime
>>543736913Around 3% of hanging are botched. Thatās lower than lethal injection (7%), but the difference is stark. A botched lethal injection means it took longer than expected. The victim is still unconscious; death just took longer than expected (generally).But a botched hanging results in cruelty. This thread isnāt about the morality of torture.
>>543737035>EU memeflagchecks out, Mr Kaur
>>543735655This is something I have thought about before. For speed and effeciancy and painlessness I always figured something like a pneumatic piston to the brain would be good. I think the real best answer is just to go back to swift decapitations. Yeah, maybe your brain lives for a second, but it's not gonna know what is going on. Can be drugged beforehand anyway too. I also think it's better culturally, there is more integrity, somehow, in my opinion.
>>543735655You get thrown into a pit with 2 dozen starving hindu cannibals
>>543735655Total Containment Vehicle+1/4 stick of dynamite mobilewashablecontained
>>543737238>jeetnada poster belittles memeflaggot>the ironyi am 1000% white praheet.
>>543736460>a pistol round to the brain doesnāt cause instant deathDepends on where it lands Anything that touches the area around the brain stem is going to be practically instant.
>>543737435There's nothing ironic about it If you were so White, you would hide your flag
You're already surrounded by an easy, effective, clean and cheap solution and you refuse to see it
>>543737175Ropes are actually pretty easy to specifically err to the decpitation rather than the strangulation side of "botched". It's gory but I'd rather my head popped off than strangulation under my own weight.
>>543737035also this should be done with a large metal horn, probably brass or copper or even gold.like taken from a hironymus bosch painting, and of course on the biggest public square, the horn has to be long enough to allow for an entire marching song to be played by a marching band. And a lightshow, like there used to be with these countdown disco balls on new years eve and alllthough this concept has a severe weakness, the convict should also be tortured indefinitely beforehand, until the next criminal who is convicted of the death penalty is brought up, also on public display.You can either go for something simple, like a car battery, but i think perfect would be a big wok like bowl that arcs a small electric shock every few minutes, registering when the person is trying to sleep for example, or stay still, else the person is amputated three limbs except for an arm, with the surface of course being teflon, or some other slippery material so they remain there, on public display in the wok until the execution date, which is set to be exactly when the next person is convicted of a capital offense to take their place. obvious weaknesses of such a concept would be that people could try to get the motivation to murder someone for example or commit a capital offense, in order to murder the amputee cripple on the punishment cripple square, to take their place, while intending just that. But honestly, i will take the risk.I would expect, in a 100%white society, this would reduce capital offenses by idk, 99%>>543737238you should google hironymus bosch, ranjeed dikshit, in some parts of his tryptich youd feel right at home.
>>543735655just let them OD on fent
>>543735655>cages with eagles and bears>masturbation machines>rollercoasters >electrified swimming pools>shotguns with the barrels bent backwards>rooms with spinning blades in the floors>soap and lampshade production
>>543735655Shooting squad should be constitutionally available.
>>543735655That reminds me, anyone know how Carrot Top is doing?
>>543735655Firing squad
>>543735945How quick is a firing squad death, do you think?
>>543736031Based. I'd like to see that.
>>543735874My great grandpa died like that in the holocaust
>>543736406>electrocution is agonizingActually it's not, it may look horrific, but the first initial jolt knocks you unconsious.t. Knocked out by electricity, didn't feel a thing, just woke up with people standing around me.
>>543735655so in this hypothetical situation where gallagher is the executioner, my question is, do you think his brother would steal his gig and then be unable to live with himself from the shear horror of having to repeatedly smash another living human being's cranium with an instrument designed for home demolition and concrete work?
>>543736728It takes less than 30 seconds to choke someone out. No way is anyone conscious for more than a few seconds if even after having their head cut off and all the blood coming out. Blood oressure inside the head would also be 0 instantly.People faint from standing up too quickly. Youre a genuine moron if you think that people are conscious for half a minute after decapitation.
>>543735655North Korea figured it out a long time ago: figuring squads using anti aircraft guns. The condemned is vaporized instantly and it leaves virtually no room for botching or survival with a failed execution attempt.
>>543736109Yes. But also consider the OceanGate Titan submersible incident. A big deal has been made of the fact that the occupants of the sub didn't even have time to for the nerve impulses to reach their brains before they were turned into molecular soup. They were dead well before their brains could register any pain. Nice.We should learn from that. Place death row inmates inside large barrels reinforced to withstand similar depths experienced by the OceanGate sub. Then attach a heavy weight like a big concrete block with a chain and simply biff it overboard somewhere suitably deep, like the middle of the Atlantic Ocean or the Marianna trench.Now think of the benefits, we are adding valuable nutrients to the ocean ecology. Its humane fast simple and absolutely no chance of failure. Plus the condemned get a nice sea voyage. Anyway its fucking bizarre how often executions get botched when you consider how many people die everyday from simple accidents, like falling off a ladder or tripping on a sidewalk.
Rolling concrete cylinder
>>543736054the guillotine is unnecessarily gory for the executioner to deal with and might cause him some trauma. The accused being alive to contemplate how his actions led him to lose his head isnt even a bad idea.nitrogen asphyxiation if done right is completely unfeeling. people working with liquid nitrogen sometimes asphyxiate themselves and dont even feel it. You could put a guy in a little divot / well, put a respirator on him and flush both his surroundings in the well and his mask with N2. Few minutes later he is unconscious and in half hour, dead.No gasping, because that is dependant on CO2 levels, which you have "air" out with more N2.Also nitrogen is dirt cheap, easy to get, transport, store... chemical injections cost thousands. sometimes tens of thousands per dose.
Are you suggesting that we bring Gallagher back from the dead to smash the skulls of death row inmates like watermelons? Fuck yeah
>>543736054Who cares if a convicted death row prisoner suffers for a few minutes? Holy fucking shit."Cruel and unusual" is used to pardon foids who slash people open, but doesn't seem to be a factor for men in solitary. HMMMM. Makes you fucking think.
Do it the Japanese way...
>>543735858We should execute them in the same manner as they did to their victims (if murderers). Maybe with some improvements. Christa Pike:>Pike and Shipp held [Colleen Slemmer] down and used a box cutter to carve a pentagram into her chest while she was still alive>Meat cleaver used to slice her across the stomach as she pleaded for the pain to stop>Hundreds of smaller stabs and cuts>Finally, Pike repeatedly smashed Slemmer's skull with a large chunk of asphaltChrista Pike should be sliced to pieces, actually. Slowly. And sprayed with lemon juice.
>>543738624Crucifiction, exposure, impalement are too barbaric
>>543738351Don't you think the shooters in a firing squad would feel trauma and remorse?
How do you rank this new method of execution along:crueltyeffectiveness inn deterring crimeresource eeffectiveness>pic very much related, displaying the proceduresee other posts for a description.
>>543735655>We need a new method of executionPut them under with normal anesthesia then use one of those captive bolt guns we use to off cattle and put it straight through the brain stem. 100% lethality guaranteed, no pain which should satisfy the bleeding heart faggots, its cheap and you can still harvest the organs which you can't do with lethal injection.Or just take them out back and put a 12 gauge through their head after you make them dig their own grave.
Why not a fent overdose, all the body cam footage seems the show they just pass out and go to sleep forever
>>543736415pretty sure i'm responsible for the big toothed trivago guy getting posted occasionally
>>543738705OMG we can't let a poor wittle murdering scumbag suffer for a few seconds while US tax payers money funds the droning of people in Ukraine.
>>gas chambers create a serious chemical hazard for staff, including the dead bodyS H U TT H I SD O W N
>>543738931they probably have more than enough to get the job done just in the dea evidence vault
>>543736054Since we are in looney tunes shut territory why not give them a stick of dynamite painted as a cigar? That has to be instantaneous.
Make a human size version of the machine that grinds up all the extra baby chicks
does nobody have anything to say on my shithorn execution method?I am sad. I thought it wouldve been met with more enthusiasm
>>543739867it's very creativei like it
No one survives 31 grains of fent case closed we found the drug
>>543739867Romanticizing death and methods to induce human death is degenerate. Death penalty should be one thing only.A way to permanantly delete a known and or iminent threat to others.Human life is not a game. Amusing yourselves by trying to come up with quirk chungus methods of causing human death is degenerate. It diminishes you as a person when you do it.
>>543740130well said
>>543735655There is plenty industrial machinery that could handle this. Let's not be sanctimonious about it. The state arrogates to itself the right to murder people in the name of justice. Let it be spectacular and swift. I say put the whole body in some kind of compactor and squish the condemned into a cube.
>>543740130cuck opinion.A death penalty should be bone marrow chillingly cruel, as to deter future crime, and society should be encouraged to rejoice in the removing of criminals. It shouldnt be cold and detached, it should be part of the public conscience. People used to be beheaded or hung, or put on display in public. If you make the punishment unique, cruel and bizarre, involving as much performative element and cruelty it will deter more crime. I mean youre in the US. A crime infested hellhole, my idea would only work with very few convictions for the death penalty, which would also naturally occur due to it being so deterring and cruel, that nobody would risk being punished this way, potentially staying in the cripple wok for a year or two. People would grow up knowing the fate of death row conviction. There would be school excursions displaying it as the most refined feet. also, implying:>Roman colloseums were degenerate. also implying >the cripple wok is quirk chungusAdding honor or whatnot to the procedure of dealing death by the hand of the state also is the entry step to being a morally molested bleeding heart faggot at the will of subversive commie retardsThe value of american education it seems. NGMI bro
>>543735655This could definitely fail though. By definition it uses a lot of force, so testing it could break something. What do you think the news will be like if they move slightly, and it just crushes their face in, and they run around faceless.
>>543740310You are a worshiper of Death. That is degenerate af.The death penalty should exist to stop harm by erasing a person who has, or will do grievous harm to others.To stop them from doing future harm and as justice for having done past harm.A very small percentage of sick minded, violent criminals are responsible for most violent crime done. They do it again and again and again, all throughout their lives.If they were deleted as soon as it was apparent that this is how they were going to conduct themselves, we would live in a safer, better society.
>>543740561How am i worshipping death? I am expecting this to reduce crime, and the number of death row convictions. If you have a comparably cruel and dehumanizing method go ahead. >A very small percentagewhich is exactly why you need two, maybe three, ingredients:1)society at large needs to feel superior to these individuals and be galvanized in feeling justified in treating them as trash2)the punishment has to be so cruel, that the thought alone of having to endure it instantly trumps every consideration of enacting the crimemaybe 3)a perfect surveillance state, with very little crime to begin withbut yeah, i can see how it is flawed, and might seem quirk chungus, considering that a perfect surveillance state would already have to be ultra civilized. I just would've thought that such a state is able to treat the sociopathic ultraminority of pathologically criminal people, you describe, as animals. I can tone it down a little too, but i think public execution, through a dehumanizing and bizarre method, with indefinite torture beforehand, also publicly administered, is perfect, because it completely trumps every cruelty that an individual could muster, which should in my opinion be the calculus of the death penalty.
>>543735655Death by Masturbation Machine, Auschwitz style. 100% effective (based on 1st hand witness testimonies).
>>543740310>A death penalty should be bone marrow chillingly cruel, as to deter future crimeI think you misunderstand the criminal mind. They can barely conceive of the future.Our brains are bad at processing this stuff. They say, well we either get caught, or we don't, and it's no matter what the punishment is it's already so bad if we get caught we may as well not think about it.Increasing the perception of being caught however does reduce crime. For example, even printing eyeballs in public places makes people feel watched enough to commit less crime.
>>543740737i hope i am not worshipping death. death would take about 3 minutes actually. the time it takes for a marching band to play a waltz and the liquid excrement to go from one end of the horn to the other, and then maybe a few minutes until death sets in. i mean, you can probably do a procedure which is less violent and more instant, but why, if you expect to enact it every two years or a year at most?
>>543740130that ship sailed when the electric chair and lethal injection were chosen over firing squad and hanging
>>543735655Put someone's head in front of the barrel of a cannon and fire the cannon.
>>543740855which is why you teach about the benefits of this method in school. it would maybe encourage people also to say things like: "see you at the other end of the shithorn" or so on, if they think someone is suspicious. i think you need to fortify the death penalty against three things:1-Reduction of the surviellance state itself, saying it is more liberal to do so, or less paranoid or whatnot, to live without one2-moral arguments about cruelty3-people not taking it seriousif you have these three removed, the death penalty stays, and can in my opinion chase the people who would commit crime like raping toddlers, into their sleep, stopping them from doing so.While encouraging people to think that surveillance is omnipotent through symbolism or whatnot is alright, i think it only makes sense if no individual, or group of individuals could put themselves above the law, morally or in terms of force, meaning cruelty. It gives people certainty that they can enact cruelty to the guilty, and so all the petty things which inform a narcissistic individual or sociopath to commit a severe crime, would in my opinion fall through. but idk, i might be wrong. I will never govern a country anyway, in all likelihood, so this will remain science fiction
>>543741070you can of course make this surveillance more precise, by surveilling violent people with a low IQ more thoroughly.
>>543741070Again, criminals are often criminals exactly because they refuse or cannot complete education. Japan has the death penalty, but if they didn't, it would not change their crime rate.Many African states have the death penalty, and it does jack shit to stop them being shitholes. I just don't think it helps do much other than save money.
>>543735945Make-it like Jury-Duty?
>>543740855i mean you cant tell me, that seeing a triple amputee in a big bowl crawling about for two years is not something that someone can not conceive as abhorrent enough to not want to have to endure it at any cost. of course, all of this is a thought experiment, and i dont endorse anything like it.can you through maximizing the cruelty aspect of the death penalty, actually eradicate crime?
>>543741334History is proof of that though, because all of the insane medieval torture methods did not stop crime in medieval times.
yeah sure... if you can not conceptualize the punishment in your mind, yes then it's probably not good.... back to the drawing board it seems>>543740855
>>543741466yeah but maybe only because they didnt have the surveillance state to back it up. what is the alternative, bringing back stoning?
>>543736728> Why would it?Blood pressure drops to zero and the brain loses consciousness
>>543736175>You see eyes looking aroundPure reflex
>>543735655I dont know, irreversible brain damage as a punishment has potential
What about permanent transportation to [spoiler]New Zealand[/spoiler]?
>>543735655Me personally, I'd like to see an industrial grade catapult used just for executions. Launch them at supersonic speeds. Could be over the ocean, doesn't matter. Just fling them.
Personally Iām a big fan of the waist chop but there are a lot of old bangers that could be brought back.
Just fucking shoot him.
>>543738201Its too messy for institutional justice. Lethal injection is popular because its just poison and a needle.
>>543735655Firing squad, it's the only way to be sure, and no one has to be the guest of honor at a botched hanging or an electrocution malfunction.
>>543737697That's not how hanging works. It's not strangulation. You only see that crap in the movies. How hanging works is they drop you from a fall and break your neck instantly killing you. It's the most humane way to kill someone because it leaves no blood.
>>543740310>>543740737Based
>>543735655Cement rotary kiln. 100% kill rate and self cleaning.
>>543735655Eh painless death only encourages crime, you need fear.I would propose a slow drawn out horror like having the eyes gouged out, tongue cut off and eye's sliced and ears popped. I would then introduce IV liquids and pour boiling water over a percentage of the body to induce burns not severe enough to kill but maim. I would then lower said criminal into a caged hole in the ground surrounded in cockroaches in a comfortable position where his joints are neither fully open or closed and either the criminal would eventually subsist on a diet of roaches and pain for months or would die from infection over the course of weeks.You would not only destroy this person physically but also mentally. Nobody would even consider crime if this was to happen. Imagine this happening to you, losing all your senses but only the sense of feeling and it only knowing pain, the isolation of knowing your in a hole in the ground and those things crawling all over you are filthy cockroaches and you either starve to death or eat them and that it could go on for months without end just you alone with your thoughts and uncomfortable pain.
>>543736399This. Instantly obliterating the brain stem and as much of the brain as possible instantly deletes consciousness and causes death. Very hard to botch an execution-style gunshot, and it's really cheap.Might want to opt for something more destructive like a high caliber bullet or a shotgun, as something like a .22 could just bounce around a bit and turn someone into a vegetable without completely killing them.
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Helicopter + volcano
>>543735655Hanging? Of course, it's still easy to botch if you're a retard.
Just do it like it was meant to be done. A dull rusty machete as it slowly and painfully is used to cut your head off. Then cut out the heart and offer it as sacrifice to the gods. My people have it down to a science
