The Czar and his family weren't "murdered". The leader of the enemy faction is a legitimate target in war. Their lives aren't any more precious than the other nameless casualties of war who had no choice. The Czar was personally responsible for the war in the first place. If he wasn't an inept ruler, his subjects wouldn't have risked their lives to rid themselves of him. Even at the last minute, he could have averted the war by simply holding elections, but preferred getting millions of his people killed stubbornly refusing to accept his rule was over. His family wasn't murdered either. By the Czar's own monarchist logic, the moment he died a family member became the new hereditary ruler of the empire. Monarchists are the ones who make dealing with their children a necessary part of cutting off the head of the snake, and are 100% responsible for putting their kids in that position.Russia would have been turned into Lebensraum in WW2 if the Czar was still in power, the people who joined the revolution were vindicated for making the right choice for their country and people.
Nikolay totally deserved what he got, but he was no longer a monarch when he was shot, so your logic does not hold water.
>>543745572what do you mean he wasnt a monarchits a hereditary thing not a function
>>543745402>Simping for the CzarWho is doing that?>His family wasn't murdered either. By the Czar's own monarchist logicOr(instead of this copium) we say of with his head YEY>>543745572of with his head YEY>>543745792Who gives a shit about this nonsense just kill the guy!
>>543745572The Czars claimed they had a divine right to hereditary rule, that their family was chosen by God. That was a chicken shit move, the captain trying to flee the ship to save his own ass after he ran it aground. If the Czarist faction won, any of his heirs could have been installed on the throne and his abdication wouldn't mean a damn, because he can't abdicate divine right from of others.
>>543746304>Who is doing that?Everyone who brings up killing the Czar as a naughty thing the communists.
Who cares? The jews in charge we're more efficient than the tsar in killing Russians. That's it. USSR got saved by Stalin.
>>543745402>enemy factionPretty sure the white guy was the good guy and the (((Bolsheviks))) that genocided white Christians were the enemy.
>>543746415Yeah, you can abdicate and void your divinity. Which is what he did. Idk about his family.
>>543745402>The Czar and his family weren't "murdered". The leader of the enemy faction is a legitimate target in war. Their lives aren't any more precious than the other nameless casualties of war who had no choiceThey very much were.By the dirty kike rodents.If Russians had half a testicle they would round the kikes up and burn them alive in revenge.
>>543746304>>543745572Found the kikes!
>>543746786Practically everyone hated the royal family by 1917
>>543745402yeah russia turned out really great after this
>>543746764>gommunism is jewish>jews are the enemies of landlords, bankers, and capitalists
>>543745402What faction?>If he wasn't an inept ruler, his subjects wouldn't have risked their lives to rid themselves of himdidn't happen, people didn't rise against him>electionWhat election? Parliament got all the power they could ask for, and see what happened. War happened.>Russia would have been turned into Lebensraum in WW2 if the Czar was still in powerYou retards just keep saying this.And always forget how "bolshiviks" contribute to degradation of Russian state with their assassinations and agitation.
>>543746903Won WW2 and sent the first man to space 40 years after the great chimp out. The Czar would have gotten Russia eternally btfo by the Third Reich.
>>543746786Call me a kike all you want, but the Czar had it coming; he was an incompetent monkey who drove his nation into the ground.
>>543747012There'd be no Tsar in 1941 anyhow. The monarchy was disfunctional and would have been abolished one way or another.
>>543747050whoops, looks like my VPN stopped working, oy vey!
>>543746450>Everyone who brings upI only encountered 2 people in my life doing this(on youtube).>the Czar I have the perfect logic of debating every monarchist1) I am the Czar/King2) Only I make laws3) I declare that you do not own a home and I take it4) I AM THE CZAR!Monarchists are fucken retarded. Especially in the current day. The only cure for their retardation is a bullet to the head and they can not object to that because they are filthy plebs and I am the CZAR! So therefore my law of ordering their execution is 100% right! It is a waste of time to debate these monarchist clowns they are exactly like liberterians you can explain like to a down syndrome child that simping and glorifying youtube banning anyone who they want is stupid however they will continue their retardation. And then the people who did go all day>actually muh private property and youtube can do whatever they want since the website belongs to themGot really mad and hurt that all of them get deplatformed since YT did not like liberterian content on their website.Taking these clowns seriously is a waste of time.And so is all this bullshit about legalism in this thread. >b-b-b- that was murder>b-b-b- part of the monarchist succession>muh war doctrinesThe truth is simple all laws are made up and not more valid then children playing play pretend. The only difference between me declaring myself the CZAR on 4chan and the British monarch is that they have a military/police/gang to back up their bullshit. Ultimately all legalisms are made up shit who are not even applied consistently and derived from made up first principles who make no sense. They only exist to fool idiots into thinking the dictator is legitimate. There is literally nothing wrong with exterminating a dictator and his family in vengeance since they where a shit stain all this time.
>>543746928>You retards just keep saying this.>And always forget how "bolshiviks" contribute to degradation of Russian state with their assassinations and agitation.AHA AHA AHA This is come cosmic levels of copium you are throwing around the fact is that the USSR won WW2.
Good riddance, he was a retard.
>>543747124>1) I am the Czar/Kingmonarchism is hereditary its not something you declare lol retard already wrong in your first sentence of your wall of text
>>543746450its not so much about the czar as much as not being happy the jewish led 'communists' were genociding the goy farmer Kind of like the world isnt infatuated with rice farmers, but blowing them up by the hundreds of thousands is impossible to justify
>>543747344>monarchism is hereditaryCool cope. Now go back to the chain of inheritance until you arrive at some warlord/gangster who declares himself to be the CZAR. It literally is people inheriting the title from people who all go back to some criminal who declared himself to be that.This is reality! PS: Sometimes it is not even that it can literally be warlords who do not speak your language and his title like>BossStays from the long dead language and now he pretends like it means that he has some divine right or some shit and the title is magic.
>>543746903>>gommunism is jewishEarly communism most certainly was. >>jews are the enemies of landlords, bankers, and capitalistsDepends on the context. In Russia, the Czar prevented jews from engaging in jewish financial parasitim so they launched a revolution against him. In the US jews can freely do so, so they are not interested in revolution.
>>543745402>>543745572>>543746304Thread made by communist pigs.
>>543747580Ok. I did that and i ended up with the guy who founded the state. I guess nations dont exist then and we should all live as identity-less border-less globalist mulatto mass?
>>543746304The French revolution was a Masonic coup, and it fucked up France permanently
>>543745402>The Czar and his family weren't "murdered". (You)
>>543745402Russia was fucked since then just like uk france
>>543747782>Ok. I did that and i ended up with the guy who founded the stateLiterally who? Name and date of this guy.You literally will go to prehistory when it is literally a bunch of warlords fighting one another for territory. >>543747760The truth is you have a deep seeded desire to be a slave while I want to maximize the power I have. As I deeply believe in the absolute need for slavery I am here to fulfill your deep desire to be a slave. Now you also can experience absolute monarchy and have no rights under my rule! The libertarian example is perfect because like libertarians you clowns have no fucken idea what you are simpoing for.
>>543747782Dunno everytime I suggest ethnic groups should live together I get a weird racist telling me is wrong for novelty reasons
>>543747124Your philosophy has done nothing but murder its own people, enhance the power of jews globally, and lose wars. It's stated goals and tenants are irrelevant if that is the pattern of it's results. Therefore it's wrong. Continue to lose.
>>543747910You are a communist. You don't care about equalty. Equality is just a stupid lip service you inherited from the old commies. You just want that niggers exterminate white people.
>>543747815france rules
>>543747815>and it fucked up France permanently>>543747782>and we should all live as identity-less border-less globalist mulatto mass?Fun fact the idea of a nation is something that did come out of the french revolution before that it was the king and his family ruling over various people who did not even speak their language.> globalist mulatto massExplain why you should not race mix with a nigger? After all the nigger and you are of the same race! You are of the PLEB race while I am of the ROYAL race.Clearly a ROYAL mixing with a PLEB is race mixing however PLEB with PLEB is not!
>>543748008>and it fucked up France permanentlyLookat the nigger infected shithole it has become. But you seem to love it because it has now more fo your gods (niggers) in it.
>>543747124Based post. I see whining about "they killed he heckin Czar!" enough to annoy me into making this thread.Simping for monarchs is peak goyslave, plebs love larping as aristocracy. Revolutions must be gods way of telling them their divine mandate has expired when they refuse to take the hints.
>>543747967>Your philosophy has done nothing but murder its own peopleINVALID and rejected!>b-b-b-b- its own peopleAnd Hitler killed white people in his wars. How can you clown even function? > and lose warsAs opposed to who? Hitler who lost WW2???? >the power of jewsMore cope.>Continue to lose.Because the current modern world is you winning????? >It's stated goals and tenants are irrelevant if that is the pattern of it's results.As opposed to you who invented and is obsessed over spreading LGBT in the world?
>>543748092>I literally can not explain how niggers and whites are not the same PLEB race under monarchismLOL> it has becomeLets see France>NATO country>Capitalist countryAre you winning capitalist?
>>543747782>Ok. I did that and i ended up with the guy who founded the stateSo the original guy who said "I AM ZEE KING" and declared all the people living within borders he arbitrarily came up with to be his subjects, and it doesn't matter if you never heard of him, you owe him fealty among other things, because HE IS ZEE KING!
>>543748200You dotch the race question, showing your true anti-white colors.
>>543747924No, you see the Jews and their wealthy white allies are flooding your country with immigrants as a divide and conquer strategy to keep you from political power. You have to fight the cannon fodder they have an unlimited supply of first. You're a traitor if you deign to cooperate with other plebs to deal with a common enemy.
>>543748101>Simping for monarchs is peak goyslave, plebs love larping as aristocracy.No the worst thing about modern monarchists is that they literally want to slaves under the King/Czar it is as retarded as it gets.However instead of formulating a 8h demonstration why simping for what essentially is a dictator and you his slave debunk them simpler. Declare yourself to be the king and order all their things confiscated or them executed for talking to you funny.After all, all these monarchists want this! Then they squirm and backtrack and self contradict. This simply semi serious LARP shows how retarded they are. Because like liberterians they imagine themselves as slaves under some fan fiction dictator who never goes wrong, and is always 100% on their side and never does anything wrong and his kids will never be fucked in the head despite school kids of rich parents being insufferable brats IRL....Oh shit I forgot>>543747344>monarchism is hereditary its not something you declare lol retardJokes on you my father was the Czar and I inherited the title from him!What now bitch?!
>>543745402>>543747910>>543748101There are virtually no monarchists around.You're kind of patting yourself on the back for having the mainstream opinion that czar and monarchy is le bad!Although I will admit that Christianity has failed monarchies hard in the past few centuries.
>No the worst thing about modern monarchists is that they literally want to slaves under the King/Czar it is as retarded as it gets.Modern monarchists are pretty much no different than your average republican, though.Constitutional monarchists all believe in what you say.
russia is garbage
>>543748354>You dotch the race question????? Are you retarded?Answer these questions:1) What side of the cold war was France on? USSR or NATO?2) Did the USSR/communism fail or not?3) Is France communist or capitalist now?4) How is France these days?>b-b-b-bI remind you you are in a thread dick sucking the Czar! No idea why you are doing that however you are doing that!
>>543745402You could argue Nick and his wife deserved to die. You are utter subhuman if you say the same about their kids.
when i take shit in toilet, this is worth more than all of russia
>>543748453>There are virtually no monarchists around.Semi true. You allways get these clowns on the hard right from time to time. The most comical ones are the ones where the royal family was exterminated and no longer exists. >You're kind of patting yourself on the back forNot really the evils of the past can never be forgotten or we will repeat them.>or having the mainstream opinion WRONG! The modern world likes to pretend>Umm this country is a monarchy that is also a good democracyWe have the British Monarchy (Never forget!)>Reee leave the King/Queen of England alone they are a tourist attraction and bring more money in they they take from us in taxesLiterally a modern British monarchy defender in Britain! And who can forget the monarchy of the Netherlands!
>>543748504>Constitutional monarchists all believe in what you say.What? Rephrase that. Give examples!
>>543748619Monarchists made the rule, they have to live and die by it. Like it or not, the kids were monarchists, and the reason they would become czar next is the reason they were legitimate targets.
>>543745402>His family wasn't murdered eitherNow we find out what a scumbag OP is.
>>543748676>You allways get these clowns on the hard right from time to time. Very, very, very rare.You will rarely find an actual apologist for monarchy in the style you mention...I say that myself because I am one of them.>WRONG! The modern world likes to pretend>"Umm this country is a monarchy that is also a good democracy"Modern constitutional monarchists that simp for democracy are almost indistinguishable from republicans, though.>Literally a modern British monarchy defender in Britain!>And who can forget the monarchy of the Netherlands!They hardly are that monarchist.These are nothing compared
someone tells me they're from russia, i immediateliy know they're trash
>>543746304You do know that Soviets did everything they could do distance themselves from the murder of Romanovs? They didn't celebrate it, just acknowledged they were dead and moved to bury their involvement it the murders. >>543748739Nick abdicated for both him and his entire family line and then fucked off to live in obscurity. They killed them not for any moral reasons but as a panic response to Czechoslovaks raping red army formations around Yekaterinburg.
>>543748712I just gave you an example.Constitutional monarchists themselves agree with you: Tsar had to die.Monarchists are a shell of their former selves as is the institutional lately.
>>543748619>You could argue Nick and his wife deserved to die.OK.> if you say the same about their kids.Why? I also do not cry about millions of dead African babies or the bombed Arab children.Why do I need to protect them? Any arguments? While I am an atheist I can quote the bible to you >I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,Deuteronomy 5:9What makes the kids magic?>You are utter subhumanWOW the mainstream man is going to dehumanize me again! Watch out! >deserved to die.If you are race based and think in racial categories clearly the royals are evil and this is genetic and this must be exterminated and their kids are theirs genetically so here is your explanation. However none of this matters the actual reason is that killing the children of your enemy feels good and everyone knows that it is good so you do it. You are simply some clown who literally is evil and wants to worship evil. This is how simple it is. The soldiers got overexcited while killing the target. This is not some pretend game with generational personal time out limits!
why is dutchland going off in this thread what's this guy even arguingit's simple bros. russia is garbage. it was better before the jews did this to them
>>543745402Take your poo to the loo, jeetleaf.
Anyways, monarchists who actually support absolute monarchy are very, very, very, very, very, very rare.The vast majority of monarchists are split between Constitutional Monarchists and Christian integralists. Or right libertarian Hoppe people.
>>543749081>I'm an atheist I could tell. Murder of children is never justifiable and I'll let the big man's words summarize my view on execution of the Romanovs.>I don't shake hands with murderers Zhukov's exact words the one of the executioners.
monarchy sucks but there is no czar or monarch that would have orchestrated a mass murder, a genocide against white russians the way the jews did through communism and other statetist experiments
>>543748883>simp for democracyI clear this one out.Democracy is a meaningless word these days that the ruling powers use to control the retarded masses.>This country good/democratic>This country bad/not_democraticThis is all. End of storry.>Modern constitutional monarchistsEhh. So what is the argument here fagot here gets to be a lazy NEET and get free government money because his ancestors where murdering dictators???? Like explain this to me.>almost indistinguishable from republicans,What do you mean by that? I think the american founding fathers would skin you alive if you even suggested that. After all it is illegal for people with royal titles to be even in the US government! >You will rarely find an actual apologist for monarchy in the style you mention...I do not care about the same watered down bullshit the republocrats push. If you go on the extreme you literally get absolute monarchy clowns.>Whats this the modern state of the country is bad?>You know what fix that?>If we establish an absolute monarchy! These are the people who show up.
>>543749270this is really what you're all too stupid in this thread to focus on and what is really the core of the issue
>>543745402>Russia would have been turned into Lebensraum in WW2 ifReally makes you think
>>543749028>You do know that SovietsCOPE. The USSR did have its problems.>They didn't celebrate itAnd this is clearly a bad thing!
>>543749331>If you go on the extreme you literally get absolute monarchy clowns.I'd like to meet them because I'm in the monarchist scene 24/7 and never see them. I struggle to find any.All you get are Christian integralists and Constitutional Monarchists and both hate that kind of absolutism. Show me 1 absolute monarchist and I can show you like 20 monarchists who disagree.
>>543749248>MurderI am pro murder. Try to defend opposing murder. You literally can not! >I could tell.So are you? Care to explain how you square all the murders god ordered in the bible? I am actually interested since I do not have this problem and actually will never blame any murder or war or slavery as something bad in the bible.Looks like I the atheist am closer to your god.>Murder of children is never justifiableMurder never needs to be justified only celebrated.>Murder of children is never justifiableExcept when your god ordered that his people murder babies and made a cool song about it or how your god made laws that parents can kill their own children and it can never be evil.You are a clown. >Much childeronos!They are the best to kill!
Maybe if he’d spend more time governing the country, and less time sitting in a cuckchair, looking at his wife being railed by a literal hobo she picked up from the street, he wouldn’t have found himself deposed by the republicans, and then shot to death by kikes.But it is what it is, a german being a worthless degenerate is nothing new after all.
Right now, I look at the monarchist scene:>greatest monarchist e-celeb is Lavader who is more of a right libertarian & constitutional monarchist with some religious conservative vibes (even though he is an agnostic).>the right libertarian to monarchist pipeline is full of chucks who despise the kind of monarchy you're talking about>the Catholic integralists despise that kind of monarchy because it conflicts with the church>most right libertarian apologetics these people turn to like De Jouvenel, Hoppe, Carlsbad, and whatever all despise absolutism>r/monarchism (which is the biggest e-monarchist hub) is less than r/abolishthemonarchy last I checked and it's dominated by constitutional monarchists
>>543749467>Show me 1 absolute monarchist and I can show you like 20 monarchists who disagree.????? What even is this argument?>b-b-b- there is very little of themAnd? What if there is 1 rat in my home instead of 50? If I do not solve the problem I get a 100.
>>543749593>I am pro murder. Try to defend opposing murder. You literally can not!Good. Now try to say that outside of this shithole board and tell me how you fare.
>>543745402STF, KYS, TKD
>>543749687Thinking the average modern constitutional monarchist is on par with absolute monarchists is laughable.They're for multi-party democracy.They don't care for the unitary sentiments surrounding monarchy.Yes, I personally think they're not different from a republican because both have those Aristotelian views that a state operates better as a partnership of a clans (hence their preference for multi-party democracy) and not any state corporatist ideology or absolute monarchy...
>>543745402Yes, break down the bonds that have held together humanity for millenia. You will never be king on this earth.
I post on leftypol /siberia/ https://leftypol.org/siberia/res/777427.htmlIt is honestly too much to delve into the discussion.Yes, "Christian monarchy" conventionally is dead and now we have a kind of Caesarism.
Kikes slaughtered a White Christian and his family, and went on to slaughter many more White Christians to gain power. Simple as, hope you burn too poop eating demon worshipper.
>>543749711>Good. Now try to say that outside of this shithole board and tell me how you fare.Already did. Christians can never defend murder being wrong. Not even using the bible. No one can defend opposing murder.Literally the only criticism I got was>REEEEEEE Stop saying things everyone knows already it is getting boring!> of this shithole board Want me to debunk murder for you?Murder is literally defined as the killing the king says is illegal for you. This is all.Lets see>The illegal murder of Osama Bin laden is magically OK for the US>The illegal murder of Japanese civilians (this literally violates the Geneva convention and international law!) using nuclear weapons is 100% OK magically. And then you realize that what is legal or illegal literally depends on who won the war and wrote it down.It is literally meaningless words on paper!The US was founded by illegal murdering terrorists who committed murders against the lawful officers of Britain and stole the land of Britain.This should be fucken obvious that murder means nothing. And I can also larp and pretend that my murders are legal however your murders are not legal because I wrote walls of text where I larp as a judge or some shit. However I will not insult your intelligence and I am here to tell the truth not trick children into supporting my was and hating the enemies I do not like with tricks and scams.
>>543748101Crab in a pail.
>>543749797>Thinking the average modern constitutional monarchistA monarchist is a monarchist end of story.You still did not answer this question:>So what is the argument here fagot here gets to be a lazy NEET and get free government money because his ancestors where murdering dictators???? Like explain this to me.So free ULTRA UBI/NEET Buxx to some fagot because his ancestors where murdering dictators???? >Thinking the average modern constitutional monarchistyou are pushing the overton window. You are the problem.
For the past century, the only monarchist action we've been getting is from state corporatist ideologies which conventional Christian monarchists don't like but they can't reproduce their brand of monarchy and the more non-Christian, modern Caesarisms are all we have.
>>543745402Fuck off, Moshe.
>>543748101>I see whining about "they killed he heckin Czar!"I literally did only see this 2 times in my life and both where farted into some gommunism bad videos to pad out the runtime or something.
>>543750092Yes, revere your ancestors, establish a cult of personality.
>>543750213Yes the DPRK is a monarchy what is your point?
>>543750264That is what I consider a kind of "modern monarchy" in actual terms.Outside the typical traditionalist convention of Western Christian monarchy.
If you don't see the honor and appeal to honoring ancestors and having father-to-son relationship, then you wouldn't see the appeal to hereditary monarchy.The idea is the people form a national family around their king or emperor and the practice of hereditary monarchy is an illustration of being a greater family.
>>543750555idiot
>>543745402Judeo Bolshevism
>>543745402>Russia would have been turned into Lebensraum in WW2 if the Czar was still in power,Ridiculous there would be no need for Barbarossa if the Czar was still in power in 1941. Hell, Imperial Russia and the Reich might have been allies.
>>543750555>hereditary monarchy is an illustration of being a greater family.The idea of monarchy is that the royal family is 900% of a different race then you PLEB!>muh ancestorsNo you should not venerate your ancestors.>Noo the caveman who did know nothing of the worldIf you venerated your ancestors you would not use iron or metals since all of everyone ancestors only used stone tools.
>>543750913>The idea of monarchy is that the royal family is 900% of a different race then you PLEB!I would say that's moreso thanks to Christianity more than anything; it is Christianity and its stress of the Church over nationalism that has facilitated that more readily.Back then, they looked at themselves moreso as Christians than as nationalities.
Yes, kings ideally are supposed to be the gods of their nations, so they are the progenitors of their race/nation.Jean Bodin / French Royalism, Loyalty, & Patriotism>The King is so united with his subjects, that they are still willing to spend their goods, their blood, and lives, for the defence of his estate, honour, and life; and cease not after his death to write, sing, and publish his praises, amplifying them also in what they can.>But we pour out all our fortunes and our blood for the safety of King and Country
>>543750978All monarchists get shot dead no exceptions.
Louis XIV's disdain for & roast of so-called "constitutional monarchy":>For there is no doubt that this subjection that makes it necessary for a sovereign to take orders from his people is the worst calamity that can befall a man of our rank.-Louis XIV Quote #1>It is perverting the order of things to attribute decisions to the subjects and deference to the sovereign, and if I have described to you elsewhere the miserable condition of princes who commit their people and their dignity to the conduct of a prime minister, I have good cause to portray to you here the misery of those who are abandoned to the indiscretion of a popular assembly.-Louis XIV Quote #2>I fail to see, therefore, my son, for what reason the kings of France, hereditary kings who can boast that there isn't either a better house, nor greater power, nor more absolute authority than theirs anywhere else in the world today, should rank below these elective princes.-Louis XIV Quote #3>It is the essential fault of this monarchy that the Prince may not levy any extraordinary taxes without the Parliament nor keep the Parliament in session without gradually losing his authority, which is sometimes left shattered, as the example of the previous King [Charles I] had sufficiently demonstrated.-Louis XIV Quote #4>As to the persons who were to support me in my work, I resolved above all not to have a prime minister, and if you and all your successors take my advice, my son, the name will forever be abolished in France, there being nothing more shameful than to see on the one hand all the functions and on the other the mere title of a king.-Louis XIV Quote #5
Jean Bodin – Not a fictitious image, like the doge of Venice & the Oligarchy>Yet this is directed by the rule of one, who presents, not a fictitious image, like the doge of Venice, but the true picture of a king.King James VI & I - True Law of Free Monarchies>I mean always of such free Monarchies as our king is, and not of elective kings, and much less of such sort of governors, as the dukes of Venice are, whose Aristocratic (Oligarchic) and limited government, is nothing like to free Monarchies; although the malice of some writers has not been ashamed to mis-know any difference to be betwixt them.Sir Robert Filmer – Slavish Royalty of the Oligarchies>We do hear a great rumour in this age, of moderated and limited Kings; Poland, Sweden, and Denmark are talked of for such; and in these kingdoms, nowhere, is such a moderated government, as our Observator means, to be found. A little inquiry would be made into the manner of the government of these kingdoms: for these northern people, as Bodin observeth, breathe after liberty.>First, for Poland, Boterus saith, that the government of it is elective altogether, and representeth rather an aristocracy than a kingdom: the nobility, who have great authority in the diets, choosing the King, and limiting his authority, making his sovereignty but a slavish royalty: these diminutions of regality began first by default of King Lewis, and Jagello, who to gain the succession in the kingdom contrary to the laws, one for his daughter, and the other for his son, departed with many of his royalties and prerogatives, to buy the voices of the nobility. The French author of the book called The Estates of the World, doth inform us that the princes' authority was more free, not being subject to any laws, and having absolute power, not only of their estates, but also of life and death.
>>543751082So you support a dictator, lol.<Jean Bodin / Dictators are Sufficient Proof that Monarchy is necessary for the preservation of society>And what power soever they have by virtue of their places, yet Popular and Aristocratical commonweales, finding themselves embarked in any dangerous war, either against the enemy, or among themselves, or in difficulty to proceed criminally against some mighty citizen, or to give order for the plague, or to create magistrates, or to do any other thing of great consequence, did usually create a Dictator, as a sovereign Monarch: knowing well that a Monarchy was the anchor whereunto of necessity they must have recourse.>The impunity of vices, and the contempt of magistrates in a Popular estate, does sufficiently show that Monarchs are necessary for the preservation of the society of mankind, seeing that the Romans who for the error of one Prince, had all kings in hatred, made a Dictator for the conduct of all their great affairs.>So did the Lacedemonians in their extremities create a magistrate with power like unto the Dictator, whom they called Harmoste: and the Thessaliens, him whom they called Archus: as in the like case the Mityleniens their great Aezimnere; to whom the great Providador of the Venetians may be in some sort compared: finding by experience that an absolute power united in one person, is more eminent and of greater effect.
I'm only posting these passages to show that the kind of monarchists you talk about wouldn't even consider contemporary Christian royal monarchy very much of a monarchy.The kind of monarchists you're talking about are a whole other level of monarchist. They don't deny, but own up to a lot of what you consider scandalous about them. Yes, they believe monarchies did start out as "Lordly Monarchies" -- that is an absolutist outlook, and yes -- they do believe as monarchs they are basically gods.
>>543751359>So you support a dictator, lol.Says the monarchist LOL!
All this fucken monarchist spam. Jesus fuck. Monarchist are truly brain damaged.
Nietzsche says it, Aristotle consider it as well, Milton addressed this.The republican John Milton in his work The Readie & Easie Way to Establish a Free Commonwealth.<Whereas a king must be ador'd like a Demigod, with a dissolute and haughty court about him, of vast expence and luxury, masks and revels, to the debaushing of our prime gentry both male and femaleThomas Hobbes in Leviathan:>This is the Generation of that great LEVIATHAN, or rather (to speake more reverently) of that Mortall God, to which wee owe under the Immortall God, our peace and defence.Aristotle went on to say.>Any would be ridiculous who attempted to make laws for them: they would probably retort what, in the fable of Antisthenes, the lions said to the hares.>For surely it would not be right to kill, or ostracize, or exile such a person, or… require that he should take his turn in being governed–the whole is naturally superior to the part, and he who has this pre-eminence is in the relation of the whole to the part. But if so the only alternative is that he should have the supreme power, and that mankind should obey him, not in turn, but always.>Such an one may truly be deemed a god among men. Hence we see that legislation is necessarily concerned only with those who are equal in birth and in capacity; and for men of pre-eminent virtue there is no law–they are themselves a law (living law).Bossuet:>God, moresoever, has put something divine into kings. "I have said: You are Gods, and all of you the sons of the most High." It is God himself whom avid makes speak in this way. This is a custom going back to Alexander the Great and Caligula, but yes.
>>543751594More monarchist spam. Jesus fuck you realize everyone sees you as the schizo you are?
>>543751549Dictators/state corporatism is just the "republican's" absolutism.
>>543751705>DictatorsWhy do you think I support a dictator you absolute retard?
>>543751749Do you support Hitler and Fascism?
Anon, are you even politically incorrect?It's hard to believe because you seem so politically correct.
>>543747012It took until 1930 for the communists to reach 1913 grain production levels and then 7 million people died of hunger because of collectivization and 80 million were suffering from malnutrition. In 1962 the grain production was lower than it was in 1913. What a joke of an ideologyevery socialist should watch this video to see what a shit economic model socialism is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPVo9w79D6w&t
Following this mindset, why aren't we targetting the Russian elite? Oligarchs, FSB members, big company owners, those close to Putin and their relatives? Oligarchs have kids living in Europe. It can't be hard to kidnap them and blackmail their parents.
>>543751866>Do you support Hitler and Fascism?NO!
>>543752075You're on /pol/ and you don't like fascists nor right libertarians nor monarchists.You have to be some kind of normalfag or a leftist, but I haven't seen you on leftypol.
>>543752219Jesus fuck this shitposting at this point.>normalfag Your antics can only amuse me. Monarchs are all mentally ill.>b-b-b- you are the normie here!AAHAHAHAH
>>543752338You probably are a normalfag.The only people who really congregate on the rightwing are- Nationalists / Hitlerists- Christians- Right LibertariansYou must be in the wrong neighborhood.
>>543752487>normalfagYou can only amuse me more.>normalfagi do not care how my politics fit on any overton window scheme so you can zip it all up.
Yeah, a proud normalfag over here.
>>543745402in civilized society at the time, you deposed rulers and turned them into former rulers and exiled them and stripped them of their royal status. The jewish revolution was barbaric and not up to the standards of the time.
OP and the anon are just seething about a breed of monarchist that no longer really exists.That's kind of sad and amusing.It's 2026, for crying out loud!Why are you people seething over what is pretty much a non-existent political group? There are meme ideologies that have more clout these days like ancaps or even anarcho-monarchists.
That's what is hilarious about republicans.The specter of absolutism is long dead and buried, but they keep stabbing at the grave.Just imagine how many centuries more you people are going to be crying about literally Hitler.
>>543745402that's stupid. germany, france, austria, hell even china sent their last emperor into exile without killing him.bolshevists simply were barbaric
>>543745402If the Czar were still in power during WWII they would have had 10-20 million extra people to fight since they wouldn't have starved from Soviet government policies.
>>543745402>If he wasn't an inept ruler, his subjects wouldn't have risked their lives to rid themselves of him.Some communists don't account for all of his subjects.Some ambitious factions can't be accounted for; could honestly happen to a ruler no matter how seemingly good.>he could have averted the war by simply holding electionsThat's a meme not even worth responding to think Bolsheviks care about electoralism themselves.>but preferred getting millions of his people killed stubbornlySo did Stalin, but the difference is Stalin was fortunate enough to win, so Stalin is praised.I'm not a very staunch legitimatist in the sense that I deny that some enemy can usurp and kill their royal family. I recognize a dead tree stump when I see it and doubt the Romanovs can be restored, but these kinds of misfortunes can happen to anyone--you only comfort yourselves in thinking the Romanovs deserved it when far more violent rulers like Stalin have lived long enough to die with more dignity.
You mock legitimatism / non-resistance, but what you say is no different.The greatest lie ever pilfered is thinking that people naturally respond to a "duty" to revolt.When in reality people don't care nor give a fuck, yes.They only really revolt due to their own ambitious factionalism, fortune, or harm, but they don't revolt because it is their duty to revolt.So if we're going to play that game, that is where I will put my stance.That people in the US don't revolt on account of Epstein is adequate proof of people's apathy to revolt because it is the right thing to do.
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>>543745402Show me that the discontent was organic.
Thomas Hobbes:Anti-Monarchy writers, they're like Rabid DogsLike rabid dogs won't drink water & have a rabid hydrophobia, rabid democratical writers have a rabid tyrannophobia;A monarchy bitten by rabid, snarling democratical writers wants nothing more than a strong, mean MonarchOnce there is that Strong Monarch, it is a self-fulfilling prophesy & they abhor their Tyrant>In sum, I cannot imagine, how anything can be more prejudicial to a Monarchy, than the allowing of such books to be publicly read, without present applying such correctives of discreet Masters, as are fit to take away their Venom; Which Venom I will not doubt to compare to the biting of a mad Dog, which is a disease the Physicians call Hydrophobia, or Fear Of Water. For as he that is so bitten, has a continual torment of thirst, and yet abhors water; and is in such an estate, as if the poison endeavoured to convert him into a Dog: So when a Monarchy is once bitten to the quick, by those Democraticall writers, that continually snarl at that estate; it wants nothing more than a strong Monarch, which nevertheless out of a certain Tyrannophobia, or fear of being strongly governed, when they have him, they abhor.
Thomas Hobbes: From Aristotle, they learned to call anything but mixed constitutionalism / representative, Western multi-party democracy – Tyranny/muh Dictatorship>From Aristotle's Civil Philosophy, they have learned, to call all manner of Commonwealths but the Popular, (such as was at that time the state of Athens,) Tyranny. All Kings they called Tyrants… A Tyrant originally signified no more simply, but a Monarch: But when afterwards in most parts of Greece that kind of government was abolished, the name began to signify, not only the thing it did before, but with it, the hatred which the Popular States bare towards it: As also the name of King became odious after the deposing of the Kings in Rome, as being a thing natural to all men, to conceive some great Fault to be signified in any Attribute, that is given in despight, and to a great Enemy. And when the same men shall be displeased with those that have the administration of the Democracy, or Aristocracy, they are not to seek for disgraceful names to express their anger in; but call readily the one Anarchy, and the other Oligarchy.
>>543745402OP is a kike. The Jewish race should be genocided for what they did to the Tsars alone.
>>543746304Kys masonic faggot
>>543745402>children are targets if they were born to the wrong side Okay Hasan
<Thomas Hobbes on monarchomachists & pro-regicides>From the reading, I say, of such books, men have undertaken to kill their Kings, because the Greek and Latin writers, in their books, and discourses of Policy, make it lawfull, and laudable, for any man so to do; provided before he do it, he call him Tyrant. For they say not Regicide, that is, killing of a King, but Tyrannicide, that is, killing of a Tyrant is lawfull.<Hobbes / From the same books (like Aristotle's Politics), they think in Democracies they are all freemen, but under Monarchies, all slaves>From the same books, they that live under a Monarch conceive an opinion, that the Subjects in a Popular Common-wealth enjoy Liberty; but that in a Monarchy they are all Slaves. I say, they that live under a Monarchy conceive such an opinion; not they that live under a Popular Government; for they find no such matter.
Hobbes / Greeks & Romans, the Universities, Schoolmen, & Parliament Men>Fourthly, there were an exceeding great number of men of the better sort, that had been so educated, as that in their youth having read the books written by famous men of the ancient Grecian and Roman commonwealths concerning their polity and great actions; in which books the popular government was extolled by that glorious name of Liberty, and monarchy disgraced by that name of Tyranny; they became thereby in love with their forms of government. And out of these men were chosen the greatest part of the House of Commons, or if they were not the greatest part, yet by advantage of their eloquence, were always able to sway the rest, especially the great haranguers, and such as pretended to learning.For who can be a good subject in a Monarchy…<For who can be a good subject in a Monarchy, whose principles are taken from the enemies of Monarchy, such as were Cicero, Seneca, Cato, and other politicians of Rome, and Aristotle of Athens, who seldom spake of Kings but as of wolves and other ravenous beasts?
>>543756310>>543756360Why do you niggers spam this stuff you already have saved to your HDD? Nobody reads this shit and it’s weird you have all this saved on your computer ready to go at a moments notice. Are you an AI or some shit?
>>543756467No, I just repost it from my blog.https://leftypol.org/siberia/res/777427.html
>>543745402>a poo in leafland simping for his jew masters0/10
>>543756575>he has a blogKys
>>543756660Yes, I like to write down my thoughts and take stuff that I read and put it somewhere.
>>543746704Shhh let the kike tell on himself
>>543745402Like many before him, he started a useless war with his inbred cousins, and caused the death of millions of innocents. He was living in obscene luxury while half of the country was starving. Not only he waged this useless war, but he sabotaged his army with his idiotic meddling.Only a good ruler is a legitimate one.It's too easy to say "i am sorry", abdicate, then live in a luxurious residence until your death, after ruining the lives of so many.>But what about rich, politicians, bankersWell, same thing: one bullet in the head.End of story.If rule, you take responsability.People are perfectly ok with the ruler having privileges and being rich, as long as he does his fucking job, and not ruin everyone's lives.And not only he was a retard, his mistakes opened the way to jewish commies, starting a domino effect of disasters, up until today.
>>543745402The simple reason that the Romanovs were killed was that their captors were were fighting a civil war against a faction that wanted them back in power, so it was a means of burning the ships. Compare this to China where after the Japanese were removed as a faction in their civil war there were no longer any serious monarchists. Not only were Puyi and his family kept alive- his brother even graduated from reeducation into a high role in the CCP. that said, the recent resurgence of this 'debate' over the justification of killing the Romanovs is extremely troon-coded. They are an extremely vindictive lot and LOVE thin veneer of legitimacy that the russian civil war gives them to gleefully discuss the killing of children and sexual violation of their corpses as historically necessary. In their minds its the same logic they use to justify shooting up schools.
>>543745402>politics justify child murdersubhuman brown leftists detected
>>543753757This, the bolshevists were jews with a grudge against the czar, that's why they killed him, it wasn't out of any idealism, it was about their ethnic identity of jews not being allowed to do what they want, the communist nonsense was just that, nonsense to get people to go along with their plot to kill the czar and his kingdom and by extension their racial enemies throughout the empire, hence the persecution of ukrainians, the mass internal deportations and slave labor camps, if the bolshveists thought they could have put a jewish monarch in power and got away with it they would have, they certainly weren't opposed to autocratic/dictatorship rule.
>>543745402should change this to simping for russia in general. russia is one of the worst countries in the world and some how a lot of people think its one of the greatest. the world would be better off just paving over russia, erasing its culture/history and making it a legitimate gas station.
>>543757182It's easy for you to say that from the comfort of your chair as if you have any actual experience ruling the Russian Empire and are a given expert.Realistically speaking, it was extremely turbulent with ministers being assassinated left and right and even Alexander II was assassinated and many people deem him a good tsar.
Again, the idea that only good rulers live and only bad rulers are killed is an empty notion. You could be the most well intentioned and benign ruler as well, but the same applies: all it takes is a bullet to kill you.
And yeah, as other anons pointed out, the arbiters in this case were lead by a jew.
