>why does evil exist?>uhh....>because I gave you free will! there!>why did animal suffering exist for millions of years before humans existed?>uhh....>GO TO HELL!!!
>>543793830yeah the animal thing never made sense to me. why would god make these creatures that have nerves and experience fear, to eat eachother alive in the most brutal ways imaginable... like what did they do to deserve that?
>>543794005Fear is a good thing.
>>543794005he could do it but it wouldn’t be the christian god
>>543793830I love the idea of soijack god raining scripture down on libtards and atheists
>>543793830imagine being a christkike. god, the devil, ghosts demons and evil spirits, all out to get you. lol
>>543794342>why haven't you smitten the goyim yetBut he has been smiting us, and blatantly favoring kikes
>>543794342how do i commission someone to the entire bible like this
>>543793830Animals didn't live for "millions of years before humans existed", and we know you know that, you're just being a tranny. Animals "suffering" (appeal to emotion) doesn't prove "evil". They were literally placed upon this earth for us to consume. Where the fuck else would you get protein? I guess we throw out science when it comes to hitting the gym? Animals can't suffer the way we do because they're not fucking conscious.
>>543793830Atheists use the dilemma of evil as a gotcha against religion, but it ends up just being Cthulhu apologism. >evil exists>therefore God is evil>you worship evilOK retard, ïa, ïa, Cthulhu ftaghn.
>>543793830Kind of sick of this "God is evil" bs I've been seeing on youtube and ig lately. It's all Alex O'Connor and Rationality Rules or whatever. Very reminiscent of the New Atheist Movement. We were all apart of it. And look what it lead to? The truth is, God isn't evil. I've done the homework, I don't care what you throw at me. Go online, why is Christianity the only religion that's constantly being oppressed?
Teleology != ontologyThe book addresses teleology. Gnostics pretend there is something wrong with ontology. Faith, which is something that no atheist contests existing, is primarily the action described in the text, this can only occur if the context applied, is already real. Meaning nothing teleologically expressed or encountered in the context is indicative that God isn’t real. As ontologically speaking, nothing could exist otherwise. Evil is a category error being expressed relationally.
>>543795111This. God isn't evil and you're a tranny.
>>543794342God I love these please more
>>543793830Discussing religion on /pol/ is a bannable offense
>>543794005The answer is basically who are you what do you know about creation you are just some puny human and God is so far above you your whining looks like a dog begging at it’s owners feet for the pot of boiling water on the stove.
>>543793830in the garden of Eden the lamb slept by the wolf.So will be again in Christ's new earth kingdom.See you there, bros. God bless
>>543793830My favourite webm now
>>543795406This. And this time, when God says "don't read this book", DON'T READ IT. He's going to have to kill trillions of lives, animal and human, as punishment. And we'd deserve it. He put the book there BUT WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO READ IT OR TRILLIONS WILL DIE.
>>543793830>the irresistible need of toddler atheists to post their brainlet strawmen as threads every single dayWhat causes it? Is it homosexuality?>>543794005Fear in animals is a necessary impulse for self-preservation. It's not about your söy emotions like everything you just typed. Death is an indispensable part of the cycle of life. Would it be less brutal for you if wolves asked kindly if they can eat the smaller prey animal? "Make yourself comfortable, prey bro, post one more meme on 4chuds, watch one more video, give one more like, smoke one more blunt, take one more nap, listen to one more song, have one more portion of goyslop, and then we will eat you kindly, OK?"
>>543795547would read it desu
>>543795559you didnt understand the point i was making. i understand why animals experience fear. what doesnt make sense is why god made that necessary. what did animals do to deserve pain and suffering? i understand the argument that humans have free will, but animals are creatures that live on instinct and dont have the capability of reason. why does god make them suffer?
>>543795559You're using actual science to try to prove religion for some reason. Yes, death is part of life, yes we cannot expect other carnivores not to consume meat, but your gay little book says that the only reason we even eat each other is because a naked dude and a naked foid read a book they weren't supposed to. Please do not use reality to try to explain your fiction.
>>543794005you're not supposed to cry over a lion eating a zebra. this is an entirely unnatural thing for a human male to feel and is the result of your body being heavily estrogenized by the modern world.
animals didn't die until after Adam sinnedand if God eradicated all evil that would include all us humans because we are all evil before God. Be thankful God HASNT destroyed all evil but instead sent His Son, Jesus Christ, into the world to redeem a people for Himself.
>>543795808then why did god give people empathy? i feel pain like they do. why do they have to feel that if they dont even matter? seems weird to me.
>>543793830Nice strawman, retard
>>543793830Evil exists so we can aprecciate good. Imagine living in a perfect flat minecraft world on peaceful mode. That would be boring as fuck. Contrast in everything, from the highest mountains to the deepest oceans, hottest fire to the coldest ice, and good and evil, is what makes us appreciate the beauty of this world.
>>543795948This. God lets kids get raped because otherwise life would be boring.
>>543796041This leaf gets it
Define evil without reference to God.
>>543794905a) criticism != oppressionb) I don't know anything about other religions, though I'm sure they're retarded also in their own way
>>543796135A violation of the Golden Rule. Doing to another which you would not want done to yourself.
>>543793830>Makes human beings into horny apes "in his image">gets mad at them for getting horny
>>543795832empathy is for your children and family
>>543796194How is that evil though?
>>543796215i defined it that way
>>543796194And why is that golden rule valid?
>>543793830The bigger question is why does eternal Hell exist
>>543796199why are christkikes giant pieces of shit? what makes them like this?
>>543796225What if I defined “good” as everything that harmed (You)? Would that still be valid?
>>543796225I don't like smelling human faeces on the street, is street shitting evil?
>>543796246Because eternal separation from God is the worst thing you could ever experience
>why-SHUT. UP. TRANNY.
>>543793830Mocking semitic interpretations of God doesn't negate the truth. Stop being a cynical kike.
>>543796252what kind of pilpul is this?>>543796257yeah?
>>543793830
>>543796228because it works
>>543796267Did God not know that billions of the consciousness he created would have to be sent to eternal hell?
>>543796247does god think I'm a "giant piece of shit"? if not, why should I care what you think? legitimate question.
>>543796215>Define "faggot"Some dude that fucks another dude>How does that make you a faggot?Genius line of reasoning. We got him.
it exists so good can exist as well. they cant exist without thw other. life wouldnt be possible without death. its a universal law of duality
>>543796306So no response, Mr shitskin?
>>543796353Why do things have to work to be true?
>>543793830Evil doesn't exist the way darkness or cold doesn't exist. Evil is just the absence of good the way darkness is the absence of light or cold is the absence of heat.
>>543796404>nupol can’t into Socratic methodLmao even
>>543796423Sounds like a severely limiting flaw of a supposed perfect creator
>>543796379Those people knew God much better than we do today.
>>543796427It's a retarded question. Evil isn't an objective thing, it's defined by society. Evil is evil because that's the definition, Mr retardo
>>543796423Yes. It's impossible for God to create a world where death doesn't exist. He's not a magician. I mean common natural law still exists.
>>543796465This is like saying God is flawed because he isn’t flawed
>>543796483>evil is subjectiveThen why haven’t you done evil things? Evil is subjective right, it shouldn’t matter
>>543796528because I wouldn't want them done to me. We've already been through this
>>543796497Mysterious ways
>>543795559>Death is an indispensable part of the cycle of life.Because skydaddy made it this way
>>543796552you haven’t answered my questionWhy is the golden rule valid?
>>543796567>no response Why are Americans so bad at debating?
>>543796528This. Why haven't you done evil anon?
>>543796585because it worksit's not the Golden Law of the Universe, it's just a handy rule
>>543796601Why are you a nigger?
>>543796613>because it worksWhat if torturing and killing you benefited society somehow? Would it be right to torture and kill you?
>>543796246It's rather simple, when you commit sins you are creating a privation of light. When you sever yourself from the eternal god you therefore curse yourself eternally.Btw I'm not an abrahamic retard so you can trust what I'm saying is true and has gone through heavy scrutiny.If you don't trust me then I don't really give a shit, I can't save you anyways. There is no algorithm or potion.>>543796135that's like asking someone to sing a song with their mouth shut.>>543795948No there is no deep meaning for why anything exists, that wouldn't make sense and would violate the definition of god "infinite uncreated full light.">>543796198It's more like we're effigies of god, with knowledge of the ability to order light we gain symbolic and diabolic powers to both synthesize within creation or to create privations of lights.Our fallen nature is inherited from the casual web of ancestry we all share as a species.>>543796286Good point.>>543796423That makes no sense. Evil doesn't exist outside of men. It doesn't even exist within god as it is defined as a privation of light.
>>543796664>American projectingLike clockwork
>>543796665holy fuck are stupid?I would not want that done to me. Jesus Christ.
>>543796688But you said the golden rule works?What if in this scenario torturing and killing you somehow produced enough power to supply an entire continent facing famine? Wouldn’t torturing and killing you be the right thing to do?
>>543796601When asking "Define evil without mentioning God", what kind of definition are you looking for? Are you asking anons to go on dictionary.com, type in "evil", and copy and paste you the answer? I doubt it, I know that you're smart enough to do it yourself. So what do you think the aussie who posed that question was really asking? To me, he's looking for anons personal definitions. What does it look like to you?
>a woman ate a apple 10,000 years ago>This mean (you) must suffer because...uh..BECAUSE OK?!>Oh, enjoy your free will>But don't you dare do something that I don't like otherwise, you will spend eternity in the torture dimension lmao>You're born in a country/period which nobody know me or my book ? Torture dimension lmao
>>543796743Our definitions of good and evil should be based on eternal, unchanging and objective principles or else they don’t exist.
>>543796741>What if in this scenario torturing and killing you somehow produced enough power to supply an entire continent facing famine?In this scenario, am I innocent?
>>543796815Yes.
>>543796741My claim is that the golden rule is a litmus test for evil. In this scenario, I would not want that thing done to me so yes it would be evil. Very simple.
>>543796788What makes you think my principals are changing?
>>543796323Lol
>>543796788Good and evil are subjectiveMe catching a fish and feeding my family is good from my perspective. Evil for the fish.
>>543796867>the golden rule is a litmus test for evilSays who?
>>543796379>Did God not know that billions of the consciousness he created would have to be sent to eternal hell?thats a good thinghumans are selfish bastards
>>543796940those who enforce it
>>543796885Everything changes.
>>543796946So why is it right?
>>543796931It isn’t.Killing animals for food is wrong. That’s why I am a vegetarian
>>543796965This is so boring.Because it works. It makes society function. It's just an agreement we have with each other, so we don't get into fights all time.
>>543796850Okay then. If there was a world where we had to torture and kill one person to save many more. I wouldn't immediately judge whether or not this was "evil", yet.Because if were talking about evolution, I wouldn't call it evil. It's just the way it is. The way we evolved.But if we're talking about a "creator", someone who created this system, someone who's supposedly all powerful, all knowing, all loving, then yeah, I would call it evil. You can keep repeating the same argument but at the end of the day your god can stop suffering yet he chooses not to.
>>543796199This is modern low-iq rightoidism and not really compatible with the teachings of Jesus.
>>543796953Wow dude. That's deep.
>>543796985Lol GAY
>>543796455Fuck off platonist faggot
>>543797043So if torturing and killing you benefited the poor they would be right. See the point is there is internal tension within your world view. You are obviously grounded in a utilitarian mindset, which is common among Americans. But you seem to believe in ethics and morality. Can ethics and morality exist independently from utility, anon? Yes, yes they can.
>>543797093Okay so you just proved my point. Morality cannot exist without a God.
>>543795808Sure buddy, man should be primitive animals we should not care about anything just rape and kill
>>543797116Sometimes the simplest things are the most profound.
I kind of want to convert to judaism but I dont want to give up my foreskin. Any way I can fool the rabbi by pulling it back?
>>543797236No, they've simply violated the rule that I defined. There is no objective right or wrong.
>>543797364*morally speaking, that is
>>543797236The naturalist rules you're setting as your theological parameters still don't hold water as an argument no matter how many times you repeat yourself. Your question is irrelevant. Your god could have created a world where sacrificing one to save millions wouldn't be necessary. "Lion needs to kill antelope to survive" isn't an argument for your god, it's an argument for the lack of god. All of this can be explained without your jew zombie stories.
>>543797251Nope. The opposite. Morality is the opposition to God. God kills, God allows rape, he allows keeping slaves, he allows genocide, he punishes billions of animals because of the mistake of two humans, he's jealous, he demands total devotion or else he punishes you severly.God is the personification of evil. The more we drift away from this persona, the more moral we become. Humans are good. God is evil.
>>543797364I’m still not convinced that your arbitrary golden rule is true.I will just make my own moral system. Everything that harms (You) in particular is righteous.
>>543797402Can you explain morality without God
>>543797507try it and i'll stab you in the eye you fucking homo
>>543797487Read Nietzsche
>>543797487Absolutely correct. We must annihilate the Kike god to maximize morality
>>543797526Do you want a textbook definition or a personal one?
>>543797534Concession accepted. It’s past your bed time, zoomie
>>543797567Give me both
>>543797573Hey you're still running from the question btw. Why couldn't God just create a perfect world?
>>543797573It's not a concession though. You violated our agreed upon rule, so now we have to fight.
>>543794005>>543793830In genesis God said that it was "Very good". He didn't say that it was perfect. I don't know why people are making the argument that the world must be perfect because God is perfect. That doesn't make any sense. God is unique. You can't have two Gods. And since God is perfect nothing else can be.
You have to ask because you are a low IQ, and you are not a God. I have infinite IQ in comparison. I know it all.
>>543797526Morality is based on reciprocation, negotiation, intersubjectivity, multilateralism, NOTA IN BLIND OBEDIENCE like a kikeslave to a kikegod
>>543797708Morality is a cry of the weak.
>>543797626This conversation is causing you great distress so I am pleased.
>>543797587You have google.Personally, I believe morality is the recognition of suffering and taking small, generational, baby steps to amend it. It's the small steps you take, daily, to try to reduce suffering on this planet. Whether it's other people, or animals, or even plants. If we have a chance to not hurt a being, or even just hurt it a little less, that's "morality"Now can you define morality without mentioning you jewish god?
>>543797617Because that is a metaphysical question regarding why we are here in the first place.That’s not what I am arguing about.
>>543797708Why all this mental gymnastics that falls apart in the real world?
>>543797789I personally believe that all those who oppose God Almighty should be killed swiftly so that they can get the fuck out of my world.
>>543797789But why is suffering bad?
>>543797818Blahblahblah. Your kike god worship is a fucking mess that falls apart in the real world
>>543797782I'm not distressed in the least. My point is that there's nothing to stop you from violating the Golden Rule other than the threat of retaliation. You can still do it anyway and God won't stop you because he probably doesn't exist. "Evil is just what we call people who break the Rule".
>>543797861>"Evil" is just what we call people who break the Golden Rule.
>>543797831Because it hurts, you retard. Behold the Socratic method.
>>543797851>tu quotient>>543797861I like how you’ve admitted that morality doesn’t exist without God countless times already, unknowingly
>>543797955Why is being hurt bad?
>>543797955Pain and suffering is better than boredom. It makes me feel alive.
>>543797977You can also not run away from my argument that your god is antithetical to what all of us (even you) consider moral.
>>543797977But it does exist. We made it up and I gave you a definition and everything.
>>543798025The strong is good, and the weak is evil.
>>543793830>millions of yearsoh dear innocent normaltard...
The story is a code for gaining the perception of duality and the ego.
>>543793830There was no death in the garden of eden and man was created the same week as animals. Hope that helps you some.
>>543798028Okay cool, so if that’s how reality works then I’ll just say you’re a flaming faggot who loves cocks
Gaining free will was gaining the ability to act on the egos desires and feelings, and on animal instincts.
>>543797987because pain is a way your body tells you that your body is under physical attack. Feeling pain means your survival is at risk, and that is bad."why is survival good?"
>>543798135right back at ya, fart nigger
>>543798141Yes, why is survival good? Try to define why something is good without God I dare you.
>>543798135We shall be like God and decide morality for ourselves you Christfaggot
>>543798261Wait. How does your god benefit from your survival?
>>543796673your dogmatic interpretation is nonsensical. Low iq dribble. He created free will knowing full well what it will do. When a mystic gazed upon God ge was so terryfied his face deformed
>>543793830>presuming to understand the machinations of a supreme being
>>543798327how would you feed his infinite ego if you weren't around to worship him?
>>543796552What if I'm ok with being tortured to death because that means I was too weak to defend myself, therefore I don't consider it evil to do the same to you?
>why did animal suffering exist for millions of years before humans existed?Ok, imagine free will like consciousness and the soul, the mind is akine to reason, the body is the body. God first created angels that have a mind and a soul but they rebelled because they were mad that they had a will but no body to act on it. So he created the world and made animals, which at first mainly had a physical body and maybe a spark of mind because he realized that the will was the issue. Then he kept giving them more elaborate bodies and minds but they kept using their body to act on what their mind rightfully calculated as being in their own best interest every time, we call that survival instinct and it can lead to very cruel behavior. So he started to slowly introduce the soul, or free will again, giving certain animals higher levels of consciousness and thus semblance of empathy and selflessness. This is why there's some species that mourn. Then finally he created humans with a body, a mind and a soul. Not the same mind and soul as angels and demons, just a fraction of it but more than any animal. The point was to create a balanced creature that had the mind to slowly comprehend the truth if seeking earnestly, a soul that was capable of putting the higher good above the individual good and to seek God and a body capable of dominating every other species if used right in combination with the mind. Basically, animals were the experiments leading up to the creation of humans to figure out the exact balance needed to accieve this combination to avoid the same issues animals and angels/demons faced.
>>543795348Create a /rel/ then
>>543798261The whole idea of survival can only be seen as good through the humanist, atheist, evolutionary lens. Survival is good because it propagates your species. Your survival in the abrahamic jew religion means fuck all. God doesn't care whether you personally live or die.When you say "good" what do you mean?
>>543798375Go for it then, just don't be surprised if some people get mad and try to do the same to you
>>543798357well IF we buy into the nonsense that is free will. Its obviously a fairy tale from the devil itself and makes no sense at all
>>543793830Because God isn't all good the answer is pretty simple
>>543798396You can survive forever in my Hell.
If you propose a hypothetical existence of a transcendental, omniscient and omnipotent godhead, even to argue against it, then it should follow that its reasoning and "ethical" judgements are beyond your comprehension. Calling the one or God "evil" / "good" is quite funny to me. Religious faith is saying that a all powerful and knowing Godhead creator of the universe is more likely to be right than me, so just have faith and trust the plan... Which is less mad than thinking you know more than an all knowing God.
>>543798422God is all powerful.
>>543798457That doesn't mean all good
>>543798462All powerful is all good.
>>543798388Oh and to add, humans are repeating that process now with AI and robots. We created the mathematical and logical mind (AI), we created the physical body (robots), but we realize that even if we put the two together, it doesn't really feel human and it has great potential for chaos since it doesn't have a conscience to keep it in check if the programming fails. What we'll try next is to create angels/demons by giving AI a bit of free will and that's probably what they did that scared the crap out of them and made them screech about regulations because almost like God, they realized that a mind with free will and no body to act on it tends to go south fast and chose evil. So the next thing will be creating animals which is just robots equipped with good old AI. The real issues will start once we combine them all.
>>543798438Say your god had a chart with your name on it. Titled "Anons Death". One side had the pros, one side had the cons. If you were god, what would be one reason you would keep you alive?
>>543798478Why?
>>543798514>survival is goodLol. You will beg for death in Hell.
I had a christcuck claim dinosaur bones were from the devil but noah's ark, yes the cartoon version not the more plausible simplified version, is real
>>543798521Because all-powerful can kill anyone who say otherwise.
>>543798548If that's the case why are Christians being killed? You seem not to understand the difference in moral goodness and power in theology this is beginner ideas you must be brown chances are pretty high since you are a Christian
>>543798514But your god needs us to survive right? The end times require human presence , no? The rapture didn't feature a bunch of monkeys, did it? If all humans died, bible disproven, no?
>>543798606Christians are the dominant force in this world. You seem to not understand. You are all weakling who seek to oppose the Powerful, not me.
>>543798622>Christians are the most powerful force in the world>golems who do Jewish biddingKek atleast make bait believable
>>543794905>why is Christianity the only religion that's constantly being oppressed?Christians pick fights they cant win>tokugawa japan
>>543798641I am the King of Heaven and Earth, and the Lord of all creation. There is none greater than me in this entire world.
>>543798663You are a nigger on pol you have no soul only white people do
>>543798680You will all die and go to Hell.
>>543798687So will you God hates you and you are to scared to admit it we are already in hell faggot there is no escape
>>543798409Sure but is it evil by your benchmark?
>>543793830palestine is the biggest proof against god's existence
>>543798713God loves me. That's why all my prayer always come True.
>>543798687When you die me and your pothead mom will use your ashes as filler when we're ripping the bong
>>543798742I will never die.
>>543797699Still working on making it perfect, but dealing with cunts that just want to destroy all the time makes it difficult. You have been warned about them.
>>543798723Most people would say yes, even though you don't in this scenario. What really matters is how the group feels and whether they're willing to punish violations.
>>543798741Your prayers aren't coming true you are letting demonic forces alter your life and you think it's a benevolent God Satan will torture you forever
>>543798828Being with God forver? That's a blessing.
>>543798806Why is it evil though? Most predators would be cool with torturing you to death that is just natural.
>>543793830The better question is:Do you have free will in heaven?>uhh, yeahCan you sin?>no, you're purifiedSo you can have free will without sin?>noooo it's a special exceptionWhy not just start the story there since God's omniscient?>aaaaaiiiiiieeeeee save me aquinas!!1!1!
>>543798859You aren't talking to God he doesn't answer prayers you are being fooled and will now go to hell
>>543798893I have seen a being that can predict the future with 100% precision. Sure enough. That's the power of God.
>>543798866Because I defined it that way and if you do something I deem to be evil, I'll kill you. Simple as.
>>543798890You can only get to heaven by choosing to do God's will. You are free not to like Satan did, enjoy.
>>543798991But that is evil
>>543799022There's no such thing as evil
>>543794005If you make an youghurt and millions of bactetia suffer and dies in the process does it make it evil ? We draw the line between good and evil, not God, and we do it relative to our frame of reference as we lack ability to percieve in a different way.
>>543798367Well the supposedly authoritative stories told about it seem simple enough.
>>543799042idk, does bacteria feel pain?
>>543796194I dont want to get assfucked but i have taken anal virginities, am I evil
>>543799063Why is pain the borderline? Say a sniper took you out, you felt nothing. Is that "bad"?
>>543799068If it gives them pleasure and they want you to give them pleasure then it's fine. The specific act isn't important.
>>543794905>Ive done the homeworkjust means you learned the gymnastics and the fallaciesthe more obvious answer is often the right one
>>543799175id say both are bad because even though i dont feel pain i am still capable of reason
>>543799222yes I would also say this.
>>543794005Humans require meat it's not complicated anon
>>543799302why though?
>>543793830Because because you are evil anon and so if there was no evil you wouldn't exist.But God loves you, so he created you despite the fact that doing so would bring evil into the world. And he sent his only son to die on the cross on your behalf so you could reject evil and become good.
>>543795372>Omfg ur just 2 dumb 2 get itThis is all you guys have. And it's refuted by the fact that you don't do this when it's something good that God "did." Suddenly his motives and works are completely understandable. Something evil and retardedly unfair? WHOOOOAAAH HOW CAN WE PUNY ANTS EVER UNDERSTAND THE BIG MAN IN DA SKY Unconvinced. Uninspired.
>>543794905>Kind of sick of this "God is evil" bs I've been seeing on youtube and ig lately. It's all Alex O'Connor and Rationality Rules or whatever. Very reminiscent of the New Atheist Movement. We were all apart of it. And look what it lead to? Not an argument.
>>543795111>>543795314These guys love Jews and Israel.
>>543795755>>543797402>no greentext for 30 postsImagine letting a bot get this retardedNot to mention every single post it makes is sub 60 IQ
>>543793830>>543794005>mere mortals expecting to understand Gods sense of humor
>>543795948>That would be boring as fuck.I'd rather be bored than have innocents and children living through rape, maiming, disease, and murder for no reason all throughout history. Lmao.
It's crazy how these threads get so many posts. Either people are so stupid they don't know why evil exists, or they're acting stupid to draw out explanations they can play dumb for. Either way you're wasting your time. They're not going to convert, and no one learns a thing from your efforts.
>>543796135Being jewish
>>543793830>>why did animal suffering exist for millions of years before humans existed?It didn't. Before the Fall of Man ca 6000 years ago when that stupid bitch ate the apple, there was no killing or death. All animals were vegan, even sharks.It's mans fault there is suffering in this world.
>>543799745>All animals were vegan, even sharks.
There is no god. Man is an evolved organism.
>>543794005the gods are metal as fuckwe are the alpha predator, we can eat basically every form of life on the planet. one might think humans are the invasive species.you look at nature vids and "jesus loves you" just doesnt add up with the way the world is ordered. that fig tree ended any divine claim he had
>>543796135Retarded Faggot are the most evil of the all.
