This is a black pill none of you are ready for.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0C157Wmm6EDemocratic “Socialists” of America originate from the exact same roots as Neoconservatives. Specifically, they grew out of anti-populist and anti-Leninist tendencies AND Western chauvinism against Third World countries implementing Marxist-Leninist governments to gain their sovereignty. They are "Third Camp" Trotskyists. Both Irving Kristol and Michael Harrington were disciples of Trotskyist Max Shachtman and this legacy is carried by the DSA today.The ideology is also the same. Neocons despise ordinary people. Most neocons were former Trotskyists and Trotsky, likewise, HATED the working-class. Likewise, the godfather of Neoconservatism Leo Strauss saw himself and his students/cult followers as philosopher kings. He told them to view the vulgar masses of people as needing to be deceived so that intellectuals could maintain their power. This is largely because neoconservatism is an expression of Jewish supremacy. Jews believe they are the "CHOSEN PEOPLE" and seek to preserve their ethnocentrism and tribalism against the universal brotherhood of man brought into the world by Christ. You can't separate these things.The Straussian cabal is very real and still holds loads of ideological power within American politics. It's my opinion that the DSA, in spite of claiming to be "anti-Zionist" and "anti-imperialist," are simply the next incarnation of the Neocons and will follow the exact Neocon playbook once elected. It's a known fact that many Neocons from the Bush II era have now since become Democrats and publicly supported Kamala Harris over Trump on the basis Trump wasn't Neocon enough (Bill Kristol comes to mind here). This must be exposed.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNYidsuhaKY
What you REALLY arent ready for is that strauss was right
>>543795128Probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
>>543795186Strauss was an evil man who gave his students secret lessons where he told them to lie to the masses of people. To him, intellectual elites needed to lie to and deceive the "vulgar" masses so that the masses wouldn't overthrow the intellectuals. He said that when philosophers can't rule overly as philosopher kings they should rule covertly, which very much explains how neocon intellectuals like Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan and their ilk manipulated American politics despite not being politicians themselves.He also wrote a book on Machiavelli and it's no surprise his neocon disciples act in a distinctly Machiavellian manner.
>>543795432You've never read anything strauss wrote or said
>>543795583Explain it to me then.
>>543795128NO UYOU'RE THE N-NEOCON!
>>543795646Strauss was a very traditional political philosopher who believed in textual analysis of the great thinkers, harold bloom-like. As with anyone who actually reads political philosophy it becomes very obvious rather quickly that the civilian population doesn't really know anything. Although you can educate them (which strauss did being an educator) in general if left to tgeir own devices the people will do things like kill socrates and worship meteorites. Philosophy is the way to escape the barbarism of the proletarians.
>>543795646NTA but as I and Banglabro keep telling you, Strauss was a gigantic moralfag. His book on Machiavelli basically calls Machiavelli a psychopath and insists this was the first time a political writer called for leaders to engage in evil.
>>543795128Why would anyone be surprised trotsky is a raging kike
>>543795128I don't see the resemblence, and you did a piss poor job of demonstrating it, but based if true.
>>543795128yess all true. Leo Strauss...
>>543795128Neoliberals already exist.So a bit of indian bullshit to try flip it to neoconservative.Why the fuck are you here? Spread lies and hope no one notices?You're an indian, yoj will never achieve anything ever again, your greatest accomplishment was scamming your way into a WESTERN country because your own is so fucking bad.Not something to be proud of, you deserve a concrete block dropped on your head.
>>543796054Date: September 2022Subject: wolfowitzMuh freedom fries
What gets me is the way your neocon jews will so happily wallow in bed with the most virulent NAZIs...with huge smiles on their faces...
>>543795128The shills are getting desperate
>>543795746Alinsky was most likely funded by the CIA.>>543795774>it becomes very obvious rather quickly that the civilian population doesn't really know anything.So basically elitism.>>543795778>Strauss was a gigantic moralfag. How?>>543796054Truth.>>543796147Paul Wolfowitz was a student of Strauss and one of the worst neocons.Wolfowitz crafted the so-called Wolfowitz Doctrine which called for massive military spending and preemptive invasions of foreign nations hostile to America, and specifically called for a “NEW PEARL HARBOR” to justify said policies.This proposal was taken up by The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) lead by Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan. PNAC was the main force behind Straussian ideas being turned into neocon political policy.Highly relevant doc:https://www.bitchute.com/video/mbaAPILY8XmM/
>>543796147>>543796435https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jlv4YRKnHc
>>543796435Invariably where this guys conspiracy theory collapses is connecting strauss with W. Bush's actual foreign policy. Strauss was not running a cabal where wolfowitz and kristol and strauss were plotting out the invasion of iraq
The person he's actually looking for is Fritz Kraemer but doesnt even know it
>>543796523And why did Strauss' thought become so prevalent in Washington then? You can't deny the connection.
>>543795128>TrotskyistYou can just say "kike".
>>543796693All commies are kikes. Sometimes you need to be more specific.
>>543796691The 'thought' you keep refering to is literally studying classical political philosophy. You dont even know what strauss' thought is
>>543796693>>543796748Marx opposed Jewish supremacy. Trotsky was NOT a "Marxist" but a Jewish supremacist.>>543796768>The 'thought' you keep refering to is literally studying classical political philosophy. "Classical political philosophy" was written by elites for elites so they could more easily control and deceive the masses.
>>543796974>"Classical political philosophy" was written by elites for elites so they could more easily control and deceive the masses.Lets say its true political philosophy is solely an elite pursuit (for the sake of argument), i see what you're getting at as a kind of popperian critique of idealism. Why single out strauss though, why not like popper go back to hegel and plato?
>>543797129Plato was evil. Hegel wasn't and Hegel wasn't an elitist in any way.
>>543797177Hegel was as much of an elitist as strauss, i dont see why you'd give hegel a pass but not strauss
>>543797218How was Hegel an elitist when he was clearly an advocate of populism? There's a reason he was the backbone of Marx.
>>543797288He (hegel) taught at an elite university teaching the exact same subject as strauss
>>543797322Hegel's thought was not elitist but populist in nature. He didn't tell his students that they were philosopher kings above the masses.
>>543797480Dude you've never read hegel in your life if you think "the masses" could understand hegels fucking idealist phenomenology
>>543797530When did Hegel ever say the masses should be ruled over by philosophers?
>>543797588When did strauss
>>543795128>>543795186
>>543797659Persecution and the Art of Writing. He literally says philosophers have always had to write in code because they were afraid of persecution from the so-called "ignorant rabble." The ignorant rabble get together and suppress the great intellectuals, so the job of intellectuals is to protect their freedom, and the ignorant rabble (the masses of people) are the biggest threat to the intellectuals' freedom.
>>543797962He says something similar about machiavelli and (probably) aristotles metaphysics. Anyway, yes, after the Athenians murdered socrates you'd think the philosophers would be wary - the romans expelled them as well.I'm not seeing the popperian (hegel)-strauss-wolfowitz philosopher king elitist cabal.
You do realize Strauss hated moral relativism, right? This novel is basically a dumbed-down version of his thought just with Evangelical bullshit in place of Greek philosophy:https://youtube.com/watch?v=Hb6vbpn1tWsGet it now?
>>543798123Why do philosophers and other intellectual elites "deserve" to be protected from the common people? What makes these elites more moral than average people when they see themselves as above the average person?>>543798555Yeah moral relativism for the elites, moral absolutism for the ignorant masses.
>>543798852What do you want? Anarchy?
>>543798887Innovationism. What Caleb Maupin talks about. Socialism with American Characteristics. Populism.
>>543798921Seems like you already got that. I dont know if you're conflating populism and democracy but populism seems just as coopted as any other system. Polybius/aristotle was correct really, all systems are oligarchies of some kind
>>543798985What's wrong with populism?What's wrong with democracy?Is it because they allow the masses to overthrow elites?
>>543799134All democracies are actually governed by small oligarchies of populists surely you'd agree
>>543799179And it's the job of philosopher kings to deceive the masses so they stay subservient, right?
>>543799623It would be the job of the oligarchs to employ populism to maintain the oligarchical rule.The philosopher kings wouldnt be in the democracy at all
>>543799694>It would be the job of the oligarchs to employ populism to maintain the oligarchical rule.Explain your reasoning.
>>543799780Im specifically thinking of alcibiades who being pericles nephew was a prince in terms of his oligarchic dynasty and of course was friends with socrates. alcibiades routinely used his populist demagoguery to get what he wanted wether in sparta or athens. Nobody however would say alcibiades was a philosopher.
>>543795778I’m starting to think OP is some sort of shill or probably a bot.>makes the same thread every day>refuses to change his post despite being proven wrong several times>says bullshit things about Strauss without having read him even once>still refuses to read strauss I simply don’t understand what a normal, non shill, non bot poster could possibly get from doing this.
>>543795128>Caleb MaupinEvery other sentence this guy speaks is a lie. He was also outed as a gay porn addict and spanking fetishist.
>>543799957Explain what the noble lie is, if you insist there's no link between Straussian ideology and neocons.>>543800338And yet Maupin has never been disproven on anything.
