Ngl chat, but this socialism stuff is sounding pretty good right now. I can't afford shit.Zohran Mamdani explains his definition of socialism to Theo Von: “Socialism to me means you’ll have whatever you need to live a dignified life and that it is the government’s job to deliver on that. When people say dignity we’re talking about the things that allow you to take a breath. Housing, childcare, public transit. No one should be priced out of these things. These are non-negotiables, you need these to live”
>>543803320Madmani knows America is a Capitalist country, right?
>>543803320So move to Cuba.
>>543803320What socialists don't understand is that structured hypercapitalism that puts the rich on a treadmill is the only way to achieve this.You dont eat the rich, that would be stupid, you give money legs and make passive assets unprofitable compared to active creation.
>>543803320Theo Von's mentor was David Duke. They were neighbors when Theo was a teen and he taught him how to lift and get pussy among other things.
>>543803320>On the campaign trail, Mamdani has stated that he wants to work to combat hate crimes across New York City, including those on Jews.>In the UJA-Federation town hall, Mamdani also said that he would be “proud” to appoint a senior adviser to tackle antisemitism in New York.>Just before the primary, he appeared on “The Late Show with Stephen Colbert” alongside Brad Lander, a Jewish progressive who finished third in the ranked-choice primary; the two had cross-endorsed each other in the race. In the appearance, Mamdani claimed that the city is experiencing a “crisis of antisemitism” and said that he would like to create a Department of Community Safety that would focus on anti-hate programming.>“Antisemitism is not simply something that we should talk about — it’s something that we have to tackle,” he said on the show. “We have to make clear there’s no room for it in this city, in this country.”I'm so tired of judeophilic puppets
>>543803320The only people who don't want you to have stuff are Capitalist Jews.
>>543803654why did you unnecessarily add "capitalist"
>the NON-CAPITALIST jews are ok thofuck off nigel
>>543803320>Socialism is sounding kinda goodThat's the point of it. It sounds good. It doesn't do good in practice.There is nothing more expensive than "free" stuff from the government.
>>543803320give us more money. trust us, we gotchu senpai.
>>543803570What's stupid is the richThe rich are the most unproductive and sociopathic members of societyBarbecue the richIt's the environmentally sustainable choice
>>543804630ironically steven tyler was worth about $100 million when he wrote "eat the rich"
>>543804823Motorhead said it first.
>>543804915ok well Lemmy might not have been rich when he said it, but he didn't die a pauper
>>543803320Lying for personal gain is in every socialist's playbook. There hasn't been a single socialist who doesn't secretly wish he ruled over the entire world. It's an inherent contradiction.>I want MY WAY to be how EVERYONE HAS TO ACT!!>NONONO, there can't be CEOs, and you can't be too individualized!What about you?>I have to be in charge, or people will go back to their old ways!And you're exempt from doing anything selfishly?>Yeah, because I'm a GOOD person!Well, I don't believe you.
>>543805586Schrodinger socialists, at the same time they don't understand things and have a super plan to rule the world
>>543805586When did he say or do any of these things, specifically?
>>543805860It's embedded in every argument he has ever made for himself as mayor and his socialist agenda, you dumb fuck.
>>543803320I'm glad you like it, glazing thread bot. The only one type that works is the national type in a homogeneous country.
>>543803320The problem is NOT capitalism.The problem is the politicians in your country.
>>543803388Yes. It's the government's job to make sure we can live a dignified life though. Pursuit of happiness. It's in the constitution.
>>543805899That's not very specific. And you seem upset.
>>543803570That and a degree of syndicalism. More collective ownership but still plenty of motivation to get on that treadmill.
>>543803320
>>543803388You make it sound like that's a good thing.
>>543803320>housing, childcare, public transit>food, healthcareYea, those are things American aristocrats don't have to think about. It's 1-10% of their budgets.
>>543803708>>543803722>Muh based Hitler fought against communism, therefore capitalism good.You don't have a single other argument, kys.
>>543803570What capitalists don't understand is that this is the 21st century, not the 20th. Baron Trump is on the board of TikTok because his dad is the President, not because he's big brain Atlas holding up the world refusing to shrug. Faggot Elon bought Tesla then sued for the right to call himself the founder of it. We don't need these parasites.
>>543803753Free stuff for Israel however...
>>543803388Not after 2028
>>543803570we need more landlords!
>>543803320What a childish idea. Well my idea of capitalism is be evil and steal all of peoples money and give no money to anyone and twirl my moustache and laugh
We voted for this shit with Obama and just got higher taxes
>>543806590>housingUnder Socialists (Communism) you're going to be so poor you can't afford a house, so you're going to rely on the government to "give" you a commieblock. Just like in the USSR, you're going to be put on a wait list that is 10+yrs wait just for a chance to get a one bedroom commieblock filled with spics and niggers. And you're going to need to work 6 days a week 10+hrs per day to get on that list - just like in the USSR. No thanks.>childcareThe Communists are going to make you so poor that your wife can't say at home with your kids and has to work 10+hrs per day so that the State can raise and brainwash your kids for you! Some DEI State approved Communist nigger or spic is going to be teaching your kids. No thanks.>public transitCommunists are going to make you so poor that you can't afford your own car and have to rely on State controlled public transport to go to your State approved slave job. You better not go against the State, or they'll take your bus and train riding privileges away like they do in CCP controlled China. No thanks.>foodYou're going to be so poor that the State is going to be in control of your food rations. Good luck standing in line for your weekly bread rations for 6+hrs just to hope they haven't run out when it's your turn just like in the USSR. No thanks.>healthcareYou're going to be so poor that the State controls when, where, and shat doctors you can see when you need them. It's only going to be a year wait, no worries, hope you don't die before you get to see a doctor. Then, if it's going to cost too much to make you better the State approved oversight board will just deny you funds for your surgery, medicine, etc like they do in Canada and Europe. All the doctors are going to be low IQ poos and niggers with fake degrees and DEI degrees. No thanks.Socialism (Communism) doesn't work, and it never has. History is filled with the corpses of failed Socialist (Communist) states.
>>543806703>Baron Trump is on the board of TikTokNo he's not, you retarded fucking Communist troon.
>>543806590>It's 1-10% of their budgets.They don't spend even 1 billion on this stuff ever. It's more like 0.01%-0.1% for the big ones.
>>543807050>ObamaRan a Boomer campaign about Romneycare and Civil Unions.
>>543807239half of what you described is just life under trump lol
>>543803320I need a giga sized woodchipper and free access to infinite shitskins whom I can mince in said woodchipper, else I can't live a dignified life.
>>543807414>Let me, Abdul Rapejeet, tell you about your country!KYS, you shit colored inbred mutant subhuman parasite. I make more in one week than your whole welfare family (20 inbreds in one house) does in a year. You know why? Because I'm not a low IQ subhuman. If you can't make good money in the US, it's a you problem.
>>543807239its already like this for a fuckload of people
>>543807607No it's not. Your poor because of you, and you only want Communism to make everyone else poor like you because you're a subhuman and pissed about it so if you can't have nice things nobody can. Literal Welfare niggers live better than the majority of Europeans that work a full time job.
Be nice to your holocaust survivors they keep your city safe, eventually Israel who is already the number one terrorist state will begin attacking cities with no holocaust survivors
>>543807560>I make more in one week than your whole welfare family
>>543803575Shhhh quit telling the secrets of Theodor Capitani von Kurnatowski III
The system is irrelevant when there is rampant corruption at the top.
>>543803570We could have all these things easily if we just ended usury and closed all the central banks.
>>543807755Seethe, you poor subhuman waste of oxygen. You're poor because you're a worthless piece of human shit that needs to be gassed. You produce nothing, are incapable of doing so and are nothing but a strain on humanity.
>>543806509Did alex stein 69 transition? Looks kinda like alex
>>543807820>rampant corruption at the top.That's Socialism and Communism in a nutshell.
>>543807842What is that? $80k broken into biweekly pay? Lmao. It's sadder than I thought.
>>543807735Yes it is. And I'm not poor.You're just a mentally damaged hate filled low intelligence contrarian.
>>543805139His estate was valued at just over $600,000. If you worked for 40 years you'd probably have the same.
>>543807961$120k net yearly. I see you're actually retarded as I clearly stated weekly in the same fucking post your quoted, you low IQ subhuman parasite.>>543807980>Yes it is.No it's not.>And I'm not poor.Proof?>>543807980>You're just a mentally damaged hate filled low intelligence contrarian.Pure fucking projection coming from a White hating mentally ill leftypol troon contrarian of the lowest of low IQs. Go the fuck back to leftypol, you useless parasite. Nobody is voting for your sandnigger communist.
>>543808136Take your blood pressure medication man, you're so fucking mad right now.Take some deep breaths and hop offline. When is the last time you took a shower?Have you eaten today?
>>543808200>Here comes the low IQ leftypol le smug posting when BTFOYou Will Never Be A Woman, my failed manchild.
>>543808136That's biweekly. And you're getting paid on a Wisely card, lmao. You couldn't rent a refrigerator box in my neighborhood on this southern coded Migger pay.
>>543808350>That's biweekly.It's weekly.>And you're getting paid on a Wisely card, lmao.It's ADP's app, and they advertise their card, you welfare nigger. You would know that if you'd ever had a job and didn't rely on SSDI for being a mentally ill troon all your life.
>>543803570How is structured hypercapitalism not socialism if it requires to force companies into certain positions to do better for the public? When you start describing the methods of this, you start outlining socialist policy that is more socialist than what some socialists would be suggest.
>>543808539>ADPImagine being a low-bottom wagie earning a fraction of a mortgage payment every 2 weeks and thinking you're rich.
>>543803388>capitalist>social security>medicaid>hospital care mandates>welfareAre you sure about that?
>>543806947With socialism you are about to get more landlords
>>543806702Hitler was not a capitalist lol
>>543808713It's about ownership
>>543803320>hey, goys, here's my definition of the unattainable gibs-state tha you'll never have, but that I campaign on because you like the way empty words sound bouncing around your hollow skullCool. Eat a dick. Fuck you. Total non-white death.
>>543808856>Still going with headcannon fanfic because he's a mentally ill poor troon on SSDICope my man.
>>543803320Socialism is attractive to those who cannot sustain themselves without gibs.This is why most browns support it, as well as failed whites.
>>543806702You are a salty child that lives in a perpetual state of temper tantrum
>>543809202>heh, you just need gibs>*hands trillions to failing companies in bailouts*
>>543803611>looks like a complete fucking faggot>wow he's smokingtrump is gay as fuck
>>543809266i've had retards here vehemently argue that's a normal part of capitalism
>>543809325Ive come to learn that capitalists and communists are indeed the same exact people with the same exact arguments. "Two sides of the same jewish coin"
>>543807763>Theo Von is (((polish))) royaltywat
>>543809191There it is. Migger's Law.>When losing an argument, always deflect and yell tranny
>>543809444>Gets fronthole blasted when called a troonYep, it's a worthless ugly failed mentally ill man that thinks he's a woman because he stole his sisters clothes and wears a cheap wig. You Will Never Ever Be A Woman, my man. Just accept it.
>>543809391A bit. What capitalism has been forced to mutate into. But remember, capitalism's only true purpose is to ensure a free and open market, wherein; the producer of good are forced to complete for the business of the buyers of goods and not the other way around
>>543808899It's capitalism when it benefits me, and socialism when it benefits people I don't like, and socialism is basically just communism because I said so, and communism is the devil. That's why we needed to go 42 trillion dollars in debt to fund Israel's forever wars, for the fight against Obama's masters. That's the American way, God bless.
>>543803320There it is the base premise of socialism.Government owns you. This magic thing has the power to make you “safe” and all you have to do is give up your kids, your life choices, your property and your future.Don’t worry, people. You will get all of the nice bits. Somebody else will drill the oil, make the solar panels, make the steel, plumb and wire your houses. And all for free, cos big God government will make them. Remember, GIVE UP YOUR KIDS”
>>543809568But "guy" thing on the left is straight up lying. So your entire argument is disingenuous
>>543809547You will never, ever be rich. You won't ever be able to afford to be poor in Connecticut.
>>543809672It's okay, my man. Just accept you're a mentally ill balding manchild that will never make it in life. Trying to larp as a real girl isn't going to change that or make your life any better. You know it, I know it, we all know it. Time to just admit it and maybe your shitty life will finally improve a bit.
>>543809649No you just want him to be lying, otherwise you'd be admitting to yourself that you got tricked into voting against your own interests by kikes who unironically count on you being too stupid to use your critical thinking skills.
>>543809564>been forced to mutate intoThere is no permutation of capitalism that does not require state intervention on one sector or another. Thus wr cam see that National Socialism is the superior system, it doesnt have the delusion of capitalism or communism. Its the only system that can enforce a true meritocracy.
>>543803611>Ew I don't want people to defend Jews>So I'm going to pay an eceleb grifter to tell me what I want to hear and buy all his merch!Lol
>>543809845It doesn't matter because I'm still a middle class nobody. But I own my home. In a zipcode you could never touch. Senpai is fine. Maybe if you'd take the circumcised cock out of your mouth for 5 minutes, you'd realize how deep you're getting drilled in the ass.
>>543803388>hurrrrrrr.... America is a capitalist country!It's only "capitalist" when businesses make money. It's quite socialist when they lose money and grab your tax money to become profitable again.
>>543809937Guy on the left doesn't want to give me anything. Anything he says is a lying to accomplish his personal goals. I didn't vote last election
>>543803570Giving money legs does the exact opposite of that. But your principle is otherwise sound. It's called managerial capitalism btw.
>>543810034>All this cope and lies just to not have to admit he's a ugly man in a wigSure, sure, my failed manchild. I totally believe you.
>>543803320>Socialism is rainbows and pixie dust.Are you a little girl?
>>543803320Meanwhile in real life, real math, there is simply no way the government can provide everyone on earth their basic needs.
>>543809095There's ownership in China. You own your car despite the heavy regulation on it and all the ways you can lose access to it. Socialists believe in ownership.
>>543810210You don't have to believe me. Just take a trip north sometime. You'll realize that you're just migger rich.
>>543810541Sure they can. They just make you pay taxes for it first.
>>543803570All that needs to change is the game.To people like the typical /pol/ enjoyer, money is a means to an end.To rich people, the accumulation of money is the end itself.To us, money buys the things we want. It's not a high score.To them, money is the thing they want, because the dumbasses view it as a high score system where the highest dollar value makes you more important.You can see it in those tech bros in the meeting with Trump.We all know Trump's a funny turnip when he talks about tech, but sitting there all those techbros looked like identical sacks of meat, organs, blood and an abundance of bile, humbled before a guy who legitimately doesn't care who they are even if they think they're so important (because he's a Pluto in Leo and literally the president, there's no higher God-King than him in that room).At the end of the day the machines are gonna expire and they'll stand at the pearly gates, and the angels will ask "so what did you achieve in life?"All they can answer is "we made a lot of money"."But you did so much more. You used technology to try to enslave the world in a digital prison."They're going straight to hell. They're very unimportant useless redundant sacks of meat, organs and bile. Maybe some blood. None of it is blue.So how do you stop the game of money?What do people want?House, wife, kids, food, car, entertainment/hobbies.It all costs money.Why does it cost so much money? Because people wanna win the game.But when you play the game of money, you lose, so what's the point of charging so much?Others charge too much and you don't wanna miss out?Just don't buy it then.You can't go without buying a house though...Maybe your purchasing power can be improved. Wage up, or currency supply down.Limited-issue currency is an important first step.Let's start there and watch the game unravel itself.>but the bankers won't like itMeat, organs, bile. Nothing lead can't intoxicate percussively.
>>543803388Yeah that's why it sucks and everyone's poor
>>543809266>say gibs are bad>heh you want to gib to corporationsLeftists are literally too retarded to argue with.If a company is failing, its a bad company.If a person is failing, they are a bad person.Let them both drown.
>>543803570He is a social democrat so he does understand that. I like Zohran but he isn’t radical enough
>>543811789And yet, that is not what you do, or what you advocate for. As a defender of the status quo you are bound by the poor decisions of others. This is what you wanted >leftistI'm infinitely more conservative than you will ever be, old man
>>543806356>Pursuit of happiness. It's in the constitution.
>>543811997>literally say what I'm for>noo you don't advocate for thatYou should literally kill yourself, leftist retard. I bet you're just poor and angry like 99% of leftists.
>>543811036>Still going with the fanific
>>543811600Centralised capitalism is bad. When the money is stuck in assets and doesn't move, nobody gets an opportunity to build his own capital.Decentralising the flow of capital won't solve the problem. It'll all collect and congeal in the hands of a few anyway.Only way to solve the problem is to make products and services so fucking cheap that there's no point in working for them anymore.>houses thoughThe price of housing depends on the supply of currency and how badly the banks have leveraged themselves into their present position.I need to think it through more but I do know a stupid way to fix this: ban mortgaging.If you can't borrow money to pay for a house, the homeowners absolutely cannot afford to charge as much as they do.The immediate generation inheriting the property won't have the sunk cost that emotionally goads them towards charging at least as much as the house cost them, because it cost them nothing.Then a mcmansion could be shifted for $50k. You can even contract a payment plan between the buyer and seller, $500 per month for 100 months that'd be. What's that, 8 years or so? You could pay off quicker.>what if people don't payIt's like we have law enforcement and repo people for nothing.Their services are cheaper than a mortgage.If the buyer can't fulfill the contract, the remaining payment can be offered as a price to the next buyer so the original owner's price is fulfilled.That way an unfortunate fella who can't pay leaves a house for fortunate starters who can get it on the cheap, for example for $20k if that's what's left on the original contract.As for the buyer who failed his contract, he'll go to debtor prison for a month. Not to pay the contract, no he can't. It's to educate him on the merits of keeping your promises and get him another gaff.
>>543809589no, everyone has to work under communism, this is just headcannon so you never have to think or examine any of your preconceived notions.properly managed, police and militaries keep people safe, it's their purpose. communism doesn't demand you give up your kids, what the hell are you on about? and property in the sense that communists use it is stuff like factories and things of that nature, not you personal home, your toothbrush, etc. it means productive assets. and people had all kinds of good futures in communism, they got education if they were smart enough, they got to pick their fields too.communism is about owning the means of production communally, and splitting the proceeds equitably instead of it all going to the top. not some weird boomer fantasy where everyone is just a lazy good for nothing who won't even pull up their bootstraps. you also seem to think that the last word in communism is a bunch of students who've been radicalized by the corporations that fund universities and serve as a standing army to fight the working class interests, keeping the working class ever more divided in new, interesting ways. and i don't know if i've ever heard an antifa type preach communism, they're anarchists, paid for by soros, owner of one of the worlds largest hedge funds. so you have the rich sponsoring a weird form of socialism which hates the working class and only does the bidding of the financial elites. i mean five minutes on this board will tell you everything i said is true.
>>543811075Its basic math you fucking animal! 100% taxation would not pay for what you demand!
>>543812343>property doesn't mean what it actually means, because if we were honest about it nobody would vote for us>completely ignores the histories of actual communists countries that stole property from its citizens "for the greater good" and also enslaved their children.Ftfy
>>543812343>communism is about owning the means of production communally, and splitting the proceeds equitably instead of it all going to the top.lol lmao even. Are you one of those almost extinct AdBusters commies?
>>543812055I make six figures. Again, I'm more conservative than you are old man. But go ahead and cling to your jeets and jews, I'm sure they will help you since you share their values
>>543803320>Socialism is sounding kinda good right now It always sound good until you run out of other people's money. Them the fun starts.
>>543812516>But go ahead and cling to your jeets and jewsCommies and Socialists (commies in disguise) want open borders and to flood the US with jeets, apefrican niggers, and Islamic sandniggers all controlled by the leftist jews at the top. Who the fuck are you trying to fool? You're one of those inbred sandniggers, aren't you?
>>543812516Only poor cunts on 101k brag about "making six figures" in this economy, champ.
>>543809564no, this is a headcannon explanation.markets existed before capitalism, and the term capitalism was coined as a pejorative. it means rule by the financial elites for financial profit and ownership of production. in fact the term free market originally meant a market free from capitalist predation and rent seeking, because the rich constantly use their power to interfere in markets for their own purposes. look at musk, mr libertarian who takes billions from the government, and literally slid in there and started running things for a while. this actually happened. so he's all for free markets until he can capture public money. don't you see how hollow and self serving this whole stance is? plus mr liberty hates any of his workers having any at all, he spends all day breathing down their necks and refuses work from home (hey, all good car manufacturers do, bad for business!)another good example is koch industries, who pay for the cato institute and most libertarian talking heads. they hate the commies because stalin stole their family oil wells in russia. but, despite all the noise and fury of their pr flacks, they still preferred to do business with dictatorships because they have more stable countries than democracies, which change leaders and policies all the time, bad for long term planning. they even bought all their tankers from yugoslavia because they made the best ones at the time. in fact their manufacturing was some of the best in the world, which was ended with the nato intervention which smashed the country apart, never to compete on the world stage since. they are anti regulation when it suits them, and pro regulation when it harms their competitors. this is called regulatory capture, where the cost of entry into the business is too high for the average joe, but the large multinationals can pay the costs to meet those requirements. if you want a libertarian paradise, go to guatemala, all the bananas you can pick
>>543803320>childcarewhat happened to taking care of your own damn kids? paying others to do it should be for the wealthy only
>>543810041>socialism is when the gobermint takes money from the poor to give to billionairesok
>>543812751>it means rule by the financial elites for financial profit and ownership of productionNo. That's called a corporatocracy. I stopped reading after that
>>543810210do you think you can win just by being more unpleasant and refusing to discuss the subject at hand? you just keep pumping out ad hominem while keeping up this tasteless flaunting of mediocre wealth.all of the abuse, screaming and poison aside, the usa has some of the worst social mobility in the western world. if you parents were poor, you will most likely be poor. most rich people got there not through hard work but via connections and family. there is nothing approaching meritocracy in your country. you just have to belong to the right family and fraternity and bingo, you're in.
>>543803320Remember commies, what the government promises to give you can just as easily be taken away by that same government. Allowing them to control the delivery of essential goods and services just means that they can also stop providing them at any time, when they stop providing them you are fucked. Do something they don't like, say something that offends them, be the owner of a business type that just decided to outlaw, support the other politician...Communism had always failed because those in power get too power hungry, and in the same way as modern politicians, they could care less about you or your situation. Communism doesn't magically level the playing field, it just brings every commoner down to the lowest common denominator and then elevates the rich/political class to royalty. They live in the high castle as a self righteous reward for giving you everything YOU need, while they squander their riches.They will not hesitate to throw you out of a helicopter if it means they can continue to eat lobster and steak, and they won't loose a wink of sleep because of it. "YOU have everything you NEED, how dare you ask for more!?!?! To the guillotine with the greedy pheasants!!!"
Voting straight DSA for maximum seethe
>>543812451you should be able to point out some specifics, these are big ideas you're putting out there. and properly defining what communists mean by property isnt something dishonest, not sure what this strategy is...>>543812461hmm, straight again to ad hominem, leaving every point i raised alone. you can see an example of what i'm talking about in the hutterites in canada. they are communists because the bible says you have to be. so unlike most christians, they noticed that. everything is owned by the colony, and everyone eats in a communal dining hall. when you need something, the community provides it. they make some of the best stuff around, super successful and great prices too. the means of production (factories, farms, etc) are all owned by the people and everything is divided equally.
>>543813213>will not hesitate to throw you out of a helicopterNigga, you know how expensive gas is? It would be cheaper to give me the steak and lobster than a helicopter ride
>>543812205The petrodollar was sort of like industrial overproduction, and they needed to send it off to "colonies" in the 80's but what this did was bankrupt local banks holding mortgages, deleting main street in towns, the government then seized all these mortgages and sold them for 70% discounts to wallstreet who then sold them as bonds, bond buyers often trying to get rid of their petrodollars. The mortgage system even in the Netherlands is just a place for governments to park their petrodollars and drive up prices
>>543813213Good thing we're socialist, not commie.WORKERS UNITE
>>543813022>do you think you can win just by being more unpleasant and refusing to discuss the subject at hand?I replied in kind to the seething faggot. And you sound like it chapped your blown out asshole.>you just keep pumping out ad hominem while keeping up this tasteless flaunting of mediocre wealth.There's that seething again. Just pissed someone makes more than you.>all of the abuseSuck my dick you shit colored subhuman dalit.>screaming and poison aside,Boo hoo, you shit colored worthless faggot.>the usa has some of the worst social mobility in the western world.No it doesn't. It's literally the best Western country n earth to move up wealth wise. Hell, the BEST country on earth to move up wealth wise.>if you parents were poor, you will most likely be poor.That's the whole fucking world, and much worse in communist and socialist countries you cuck for.>most rich people got there not through hard work but via connections and familyThat happens literally in every country on earth. Welcome to reality, where Communism and Socialism do not work and never have.>there is nothing approaching meritocracy in your country.That's just what losers with low IQ say to cope with being low IQ losers that are poor.>you just have to belong to the right family and fraternity and bingo, you're in.Again, just bullshit cope from a poor loser that blames his low IQ and failures on others that had it better because obviously he's so great that the only reason he's a poor failure could be because the system and nepotism is what's causing it... You're a poor loser because of YOU, Rapejeet.
>>543813305Lol.You think this was about cost?
>>543813213>>>543803320(OP)>Remember magatards, what the corporations promise to give you can just as easily be taken away by that same corporation. Allowing them to control the delivery of essential goods and services just means that they can also stop providing them at any time, when they stop providing them you are fucked. Do something they don't like, say something that offends them, be the owner of a business type that just decided to outlaw, support the other politician...>>Capitalism had always failed because those in power get too power hungry, and in the same way as modern politicians, they could care less about you or your situation. Capitalism doesn't magically level the playing field, it just brings every commoner down to the lowest common denominator and then elevates the rich/political class to royalty. They live in the high castle as a self righteous reward for giving you everything YOU need, while they squander their riches.>>They will not hesitate to throw you out of a helicopter if it means they can continue to eat lobster and steak, and they won't loose a wink of sleep because of it. "YOU have everything you NEED, how dare you ask for more!?!?! To the guillotine with the greedy pheasants!!!ftfy
>>543812419You think they stop at taxing individuals? I know a thing or two about "free shit" from the government. Look at my fucking flag you absolute retard.
>>543813274Shoe me one communist country in history that actually worked, improved the lives of the average citizens, and didn't just funnel all the wealth to the Politburo that was at the top. I'll wait, Sukdik Prajeep.
>>543813396Don't really care. Got nothin to lose at this point.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti3VzxMOBE4
>>543812516Yes you make six figures and I am the second coming of Jesus.Bow before me, moral.Again, you can't even refute anything I say without coping to stereotypes while pretending to be conservative.I see through you like glass, leftist.Sorry you're poor.
>>543803320>the government's jobWhere does the government get its money to do its job?
>>543813274You're just repeating leftist lies about communism. Its genuinely baffling how you retards think its going to work now, when the average person is even lazier and more inept than they were in the USSR days.
>>543806702Yes, correct. Hitler fought against the evils of communism
>>543813381ok so wall of ad hominem.you're really convincing me and everyone else to go along with you.i also love the tacit admission that everything i said was right, but i just don't love shit enough. >>543813474cuba and north korea are still going, despite the unbelievable pressures on them internationally, not being allowed to trade, sanctions, all that. most communist countries drastically improved the lives of their citizens. almost every person in my age cohort that i've met that grew up under communism said it was great, you just dont try and overthrow the government and everything goes ok. they had apartments, no dedcutions from their pay, whatever they earned they kept. luxury goods were scarce because of trade restrictions imposed from outside. again, you are just relying on headcannon and scraps of sean hannity podcasts bouncing around in your skull. you just have straw men, ad hominem, and rage. nothing else.and look at china right now, they lead the world. quality of life and cost of living is dramatically better for the average chinese than it is for the average american. but whatever, keep screaming about communism at the windshield as you drive home past block after block of boarded up buildings, trash, and tweakers everywhere
>>543813693what lies, how are they lies? anything concrete, or just more vague, hard to pin down generalized statements or straw men?i don't think that people who want fair wages for their work are lazy. i think that people who hire other people to do all their work so they can sit in a nice office somewhere else collecting checks is lazy.
>>543813375Who exactly determines "to each anything to their need"? Who governs/determines "from each according to their ability"?You are expecting society as a while to self govern with honesty while we continue to have millions of immigrants flooding into the western world in order to get as many free benefits as possible. The well off tech Indians gloating about getting free food from food pantries won't suddenly become righteous and honest if the guardrails are suddenly removed. People suck, humans are selfish and greedy. Your socialist fantasy of pure equality will always be squashed by the greed of those that will disingenuously promise you fairness. Someone has do determine each's ability, and they will always determine themselves more "need" for their sacrifice.
>>543813797he also fought against capitalism toonational socialist workers party dude
>>543807607Only brown people are so poor; it’s because of your low mental abilities.
>>543813829>cuba and north korea are still going,Cuba and NK are literal shitholes and the average citizen is beyond fucking poor and has no chance in hell of moving up the wealth ladder. You are a fucking delusional idiot shit colored mutant. Fucking KYS you retarded fucking child.
>>543813923It's a better promise than what I have now, which is "fuck you, every man for himself". I have the chance to vote for a stronger working class, and I'm taking it. Shrimple as.
>>543813415Corporation find promise anything, and if you think the sane type of people in charge now won't be invert , you are delusional. In your social fantasy, someone has to determine each's ability, and they will always inevitably determine for themselves more "need" because of their sacrifice.You won't get to determine your own ability, what happens if it's determined that your ability brings you to the mines? Are you willing to work there so the leader that determined your ability can live fat and happy in their "deserved" luxury? Not everyone gets to be baristas and erotic werewolf authors in a successful social future. No one is going to WILLINGLY work the oil fields to keep the lights on knowing the local French fry technician at Commie burger will get the same "needs" in the end. You are delusional if you think otherwise.
>>543814215Stronger working class of what? We import almost all of the goods and services you take for granted daily. Unless the USA suddenly reindustrializes overnight, there is nothing for you to do in your new social society. You won't suddenly have everything tomorrow if capitalism stops today. You won't suddenly be made whole working at McDonald's just because socialism. The rich don't just suddenly explode into "prosperity" for you if you take away their source of control.
>>543814429>someone has to determineNah, it works just fine with out Central planning. You're still picturing a commie dystopia, and not simple ownership by the workers, which acts virtually identical to capitalistic society with a couple important differences. >No one is going to WILLINGLY work the oil fields to keep the lights on knowing the local French fry technician at Commie burger will get the same "needs" Yeah, nobody said they would. You're picturing communism, instead of the oil worker owning the oil refinery and the fry cook having partial ownership of the restaurant
>>543813994cuba's people are much better off than they were before the revolution. in a single year they got the literacy rate from 60% to 96%. they also get free education and healthcare.>Cuba drastically reduced infant mortality rates and eradicated several infectious diseases. Decades later, despite severe economic strain and medicine shortages, Cuba's health indicators—such as life expectancy and infant mortality—remain comparable to or better than those of many highly developed nations.the poor sharecroppers who were deliberately kept in poverty got the title to the land they worked, significantly improving their lives.and as i already pointed out, almost all of the economic problems they have are because the west is removing their ability to trade internationally. the embargo is a pretty big deal.
>>543814728>Stronger working class of what?Workers, silly >there is nothing for you to do in your new social society.why? Did all business cease?>You won't suddenly have everything tomorrow if capitalism stops today. Never said it would. However my willingness to defend the system we have now is zero, and my willingness to try anything else is 100%. See, if capitalism was working properly, there wouldn't be a shit ton of people trying to get out from under it.Well .. that's not true. Capitalism is working exactly as designed. And it's crushing people.
>>543812724Thats nice. Still not supporting jews or jeets, get fucked >>543813612>no you dont understand you MUST support jews and jeetsNo, fuck you jew lover>>543812637I support Hitler and ethnostates. There are none more based than I
>>543803570>we need hedonic treadmills to produce basic necessitiesYou people are crazy haha.
>>543813994>>543813829NK isn't communist. It's a totalitarian dictatorship, with a hereditary ruler.
>>543814429>someone has to determine each's abilityyou take standardized tests in school, several of them, designed to stream you into a set career path in your mid teens. then you do more to get into university, like lsat etc.nobody gets to determine their own ability, you either have it or you don't.>No one is going to WILLINGLY work the oil fields to keep the lights on knowing the local French fry technician at Commie burger will get the same "needs" in the endsalaries varied by position in communism. this is easily looked up, why do you just make things up then believe them then get mad at the things you just made up? and erotic werewolf lit and the people that make it would be gulag'd.and people don't do things just for financial compensation, how very randian of you. most people do things because they want to and they like it. who paid you to get good at a video game, learn to double clutch your car, or play guitar? nobody. who paid all the nerds to make linux? nobody, they did it for pleasure. and this whole "everyone will be lazy" argument is retarded. even prisoners, who are trying to get by on easy mode by stealing, actively try to get on work details, because sitting in a cell all day fucks with their minds. humans have a need to be productive, to do and accomplish things. peter the great decided being tsar was kind of ghey so he went and worked in a shipyard because that's how he chose to spend his time
>The future is all rainbows and fluffy white clouds>Everyone is happy>It's all provided by the government>Everyone loves on another and there is no conflict>And the government does everything for youWhat an utterly naive and childlike outlook on the world. It just takes all the hard work and risk that goes into making a civilization work, and says "this will all be taken care of" without indicating who is going to do that work and take that risk.And it just promises the fruits of all that labor to the people who do nothing.So who's going to do the hard parts? The scary parts? Who is going to take risks when their reward is divided among the people who've taken none?Does the government rescue the people who've tried and failed? What do they get?The cost/benefit analysis in this system says "do nothing, it's the safest bet". And instead you'll be rewarded with prosperity provided by people who were too naive to understand this fact.Next time, those people will feel no incentive to produce, so they won't. And slowly everything just dies.
>>543803320>sounding goodthis is why democracy must be abandoned. to women and the retarded, a good story is enough.
>>543815235Well that's a helluva strawman. Good luck with it
>>543815235it's ok no one read past the title anyway let alone verifying if he did what he said you just need a fluff piece on the Jew York Post and an interview on the popular cocain addict podcast to sell your slop and you good who care if he actually do anything he said he did or would do no one really give a fuck
>>543814728mcdonalds workers get much higher salaries and benefits in countries with a more socialist system.>>543814728the rich don't provide prosperity, they hoard it. salaries have gone down since the 70s, the workers share of what's being produced is getting smaller and smaller. mcdicks is one of the biggest companies in the world, and has some of the highest stock values out there. they can certainly afford to pay more to the people that generate the actual income, aka the workers. and that is some pretty hard work, harder than most kitchens because of strict corpo policies. loads of stress, danger from staff and equipment, lots of heavy lifting, bending, a real back destroyer. and you can't even eat a fry or you get fired. most restaurants that aren't chains lets you eat whatever you want whenever you want, and write that off as staff meals.and the de-industrialization you talk about is a direct result of wall st making your country like this. CAPITALISTS. they decided it was cheaper to send all the jobs overseas, and the ones they couldn't, they replaced the workers with illegals who will work under much worse conditions.
>>543815342No it's not, it's a very well constructed retort>>543815468I did and he's right >>543815527McDonald's is a job for highschoolers
>>543803320It's sort of deliberate, either that or incompetence. Governments have allowed Capitalism to reach insane levels of disproportionality without any restraint. Countries have become shitholes while it's rich live in posh enclaves, mass immigration has destroyed societies so that the rich get cheap labour. Extreme capitalism is as bad as extreme socialism, what governments needed to do was strike a balance. When you have footballers earning ÂŁ500,000k a week while people are being forced to use food banks and live on the streets people are going to look towards extreme socialism even if it is just jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.
>>543815342idk I skimmed it, and rewarding the lazy sounds like a valid complaint.
>>543815152canada has a king, never stops you from calling it or the uk communist either. or sweden. or denmark, or norawy, or or or.and that's really just a desperate quibble. the fact remains they have a socialist organization to the society.
>>543814818How does one determine ownership? How does one gather the capital to purchase said oilfield and all the intricacies that go into maintaining one? Who determines whose responsibly it is to cover the repair when one is needed? What if another "social owner" refuses to equally cover the repair, do they suddenly become less of an owner and get less capital from the oilfield once it's repaired? Is each individual's ownership level and return determined by the level of capital initially invested, or is this expected to be equally distributed no matter how little you apply?Your fantasy hedges on the entirety of humanity being completely open to this inequality and being completely sympathetic of others failures while also disregarding others purposeful lacking. People will always try to do the least for the most, especially if they know there are others gaming the system around them. I for one would be completely opposed to something like the scenario above. I would not want to put more into something while others refuse and only expect equal out of it.
>>543803388He may look, act and sound like a complete fucking retard, but I don't think he is. I'd guess he's deliberately torching NYC, in order to make it a sandnigger/terrorist stronghold.
>>543815597>McDonald's is a job for highschoolersshould it exist?
>>543815597>McDonald's is a job for highschoolerstell that to mcdonalds and sarah huckabeeher new welfare plan, along with bringing in infinite jeets, is a textbook ruling class move. what this does is forces poeple with good skills to take any job that will take them, mdonalds included. ontario did this in the mid 90s just as i was becoming a teen, it destroyed the job market for young people and the poverty rate has remained very high ever since. but, as soon as that policy became law, the province was able to secure more new loans. at least the job providers got some money.and that's not even an argument. what does that even mean, a job for high schoolers? this may surprise you, but some people spend their whole lives working as cooks, and most places don't pay much better than mcdonalds, even if you have 20 years on the job. and one thing i haven't seen addressed yet. why do we need to commute to work? why do we need transit at all?why do we need child care? why is the wife working? someone goes to work just to pay the costs of childcare, its asinine. communism in russia at least was very family oriented, and anything that threatened the sanctity of the family was swiftly dealt with, like promiscuity and homosexuality. of course the east germans were softer on this kind of thing, which also goes to show communism is not monolithic and doesn't always go the same way. cuba also sent all the gays to camps.
>>543803320DIGNITY IS BAD!!!!!!!!!
>>543813915>what liesThat communists don't want to steal your property for starters. Whatever device you're using now would be "redistributed" to someone "more deserving" for "equality"Lmao what did you retards think communists meant by no private property?
>>543815063>didn't mention jews or jeetsLeftists and literacy are opposites apparently.
>>543816193>o1e.jpg>the jeet has entered the chat
>>543816390>you want America to actually be great??>YOU MUST BE A JEET!
>>543803320It would be better if this cuck built the mosque at "ground zero"FUCK AMERICANS
>>543803320NOOOOO YOU MUST RENT OR PAY MORTGAGE, GOY
>>543816348You support capitalismCapitalism imports jeetsYou want to import jeets
>>543816430Your script needs updating jeetLiterally kill yourself, you will never be white or American
>>543803320Can you define what a dignified life is?
>>543816467You support communismCommunism was invented by jewsYou support jewsCapitalism was here before jeetsCommunism didn't exist without jews
>>543816478you are the real jeet here
>>543803320So it is yet another case of some leftist faggot taking Hitler's "anything goes" definition of socialism to larp as revolutionary?Because they know that the real socialism is far to radical and risky to implement?
>>543803570Rich people have 50 gorillion ways to dodge taxes and laws and the rate of invention of new ways to dodge taxes is acceleratingWe already have top 5 rich people who all paid taxes in Cyprus
>>543816529Who pays you jeets anyway? Can you at least tell us?
>>543816485A dignified life is one where you dont have to justify a purpose for your existence.
>>543816430America being great doesn't mean semi sentient browns living for free off the backs of everyone else, which you'd know is Mamdani's whole political program if you lived in nyc.
>>543816756>Who pays you jeets anyway? Can you at least tell us?Peter Theil
>>543803320Communism is not white.
>>543816777this is you>america needs to be shit because jeets and niggers ok!
>>543816849how new are you that you still think liberal policies actually work? You must be 13 to post here...
>>543816925>how new are you that you still think liberal policies actually work? You must be 13 to post here...liberalism made America a superpower, you are mentally a nigger and your entire goal and movement is about niggering everything up
>>543803320When half of your country's population is living in poverty and being made homeless due to unrestrained capitalism socialism obviously becomes quite attractive, at least those people will get shelter and some bread to eat. I mean it's not rocket that when a system makes peoples lives a misery they will for other alternatives.
For me it's social nationalism
>>543803320Based. im ready for whatever makes miggers seethe the most.
>>543816981>liberalism made America a superpoweris this what they're telling you in public schools these days? yikes
>>543803320Socialism means the state owns everything. The state gives you what they want you to have. Buildings may be falling apart, roads filled with potholes and food is rationed but you will still have a roof over your head and lucky to have 2 meals a day. All for the glory of the state. Your job? Whatever the state tells you to do. Got a problem? Off to the labor camp with you.
