Why are gen-x'ers so fanatical in their support for the state of ukraine, but also so arduously against any sort of nationalism in their western homelands? What bout ukraine is so important to them anyways? From a nationalist ukrainian perspective i can of course understand the preservation of their people and their land as reason to fight off russia, but since these are sins in the modern west; what exactly do these nafo people support? Is it just that they want the territorial integrity of the ukrainian bureaucracy to stay intact? if so, why and why the extreme, zealous and fervent support of it?
Conflating nationalism with racism can lead to confusion. Someone opposing a certain policy doesn't necessarily mean they're not nationalist.
>>543855186It has nothing to do with nationalism. They support the Ukraine because it's a totally unnatural abomination of a country, just like them. And they think if the world swallows it, it would normalize their existence as well.
>>543855186>since these are sins in the modern westthey arent
>>543855334I don't see how Russia is at all natural as a country. No one has ever explained it to me anyway.
>>543855327nationalism is inherently racist, if one at least goes with the concept of the nation being the people and not a set of economic units.Would you be fine with a free ukraine if it was only populated by indians?>>543855372Is this what people on twitter call rage baiting?
>>543855412>nationalism is inherently racist,So? Giving something a name is just giving it a name.
>>543855447>So? Giving something a name is just giving it a name.what the fuck does that even mean???
>>543855473Irregardlessly
>>543855412>nationalism is inherently racistThis is very ironic because I was going to inb4 this point but then thought you wouldn't bring it up because it's pointless. All I can say now is that you're just incapable of understanding their point of view, and I can't see any way of changing that.
>>543855186Gen-X grew up at the end of the cold war so any aggression by Russia is bad no matter what. they're often not happy with the state of the world but they don't want Russia leading the way into a new one. if there is any redemption arc for the Soviet Union in their eyes, then that role is being fulfilled by Ukraine, not Russia.Gen-Z weren't alive when the Soviet Union was around so they don't have the same preconceived notions and usually just ask why they are meant to care, but due to the stalemate they are going to find out there are now 2 countries they have to choose between, Russia or Ukraine. they would rather just not bother.
>>543855186I'm 30 and I support Ukraine because I'm a Pan-European Nationalist. Fuck all non-white invaders, be it Russians, Jews & Muslims.
Gen-x is young enough that they would participate in meme cultureAnd they are old enough to remember the cold war and how Russia was constantly funding anti-white movements around the world. Also they were the last generation that would have attended predominantly white schools. The white zoomers of the board probably went to minority white schools and were bullied or peer pressured into submission and now they cuck and pander to non-whites or they just feel powerless and get behind anyone fighting the people in charge.
>>543855550if you wanted to say that they're for a civic nationalism, sure; but then again i raise the question. Would they be fine with even a greater ukraine, from poland to the caspian sea if there were no ethnic ukrainians in it and it was populated by africans, arabs, indians or so on?>>543855604>if there is any redemption arc for the Soviet Union in their eyes, then that role is being fulfilled by Ukraineseems like it, that ukraine is simply a satellite for the EU to redeem the slavic peoples of illiberalism.>>543855609how are ukrainians more white than russians? they're both slavic, if not even asiatic mongoloid peoples.>>543855634gen-x seems by far the most vehemently anti-white generation, except for maybe the millennials, so far. Even if you compare them, the millennials grew up straight into this brainwashing, gen-x'ers seem to have willingly invited it.
>>543855750I can't see why anyone would object to this thing you propose not being ruled by Putin, if that's what you mean.
>>543855186Nafotroons aka neocons aka Trotskyists are old and dying out. Young people can no longer be distracted and swayed by 50yo propaganda>against any sort of nationalism in their western homelands?That's the whole point, for the first time in their lives ZOG has allowed them to openly express the hatred toward some ethnic group of people
>>543855937Excuse me if i'm misunderstanding, You agree that if viewed through the same lens of the people who fanatically support this war, it doesn't really make sense to care for it as by that logic it's simply just a piece of land for one economic zone or another?>>543855963>ZOG has allowed them to openly express the hatred toward some ethnic group of peopleSomething i've also come to the realization of, the absolute and unrelenting hatred of russians, both ethnic an national, have flared up a hundredfold since the war. Whether or not you hate them i don't care for, but it seems like this is more of an excuse to have a Schmittian ethnic outgroup to hate. They haven't been allowed to hate the sandniggers who've caused the mass amount of terror and deaths against white westerners as hating them would equal being hitler and that's also one of the gravest sins. Russians, by being illiberal and white if going by their logic is now the permitted ethnic outgroup to define oneself as the friend-foe relationship with.Also something i constantly hear from these people is that they're obsessed with denouncing their political opponents as creating an "us versus them" attitude, but never fucking realizing the irony of having done so the last decades. One of the primary aspects of liberalism from the Schmittian perspective is that it's no longer just right vs left, rich vs poor or in-group vs outgroup; but truly the liberal friend-enemy distinction is human vs. non-human. That is, if one is illiberal one is also not human.
>>543855750>how are ukrainians more white than russians? they're both slavic, if not even asiatic mongoloid peoples.Nobody can ever answer this one
>>543856180I disagree.Again I think I see why you're confused but IDK that I can alleviate that. You seem smart enough that if you were capable then you should've understood on your own.
