chinks can't do anything right
>>543877906this may be true, and matches my experience using deepseek. It's 2024 teir.that being said, I strongly suspect OP is the polejeet
>>543877906They learned from the Japanese to copy the west. They've always have been plagiarist. Both are held back by ancestor worship. They find it hard to do science that disproves their elders and their honored "scientists" that have gone before them. There's a story that they got an airplane and tried to copy it; they didn't have aluminum, so they used steel. It couldn't get off the ground.
>>543878016>polejeetgot to remember this term
>>543877906That's not comparing AI, that's comparing jew prices with Chink prices for using AI.
>>543878016wait, are we using "jeet" as a euphemism for jew now?
>>543877906>RevenueBecause they release them as open source. Doing gods work as I see it.Large AI labs basically stole humanity's creations, privatized it and locked it behind their closed model plans. China is just distilling it and releasing it to the masses.
>>543878016most people only use shitty free ai, and hence have no idea what the current frontier models are capable of. there's a massive capability gap between deepseek or kimi and astra or claude.
>>543877906YELLOW PERIL FUCK CHYNA FUCK CHINKS
>>543878177>is just distilling itdistillation is from another model idiot. you don't even know what the word means
>>543877906The West can't win this in the long run. The future is all about who can sustain Manhattan Project level projects at scale. Need some new tech? Launch a Manhattan Project.
>>543877906>the amount they earn means they are behindkike cope
>>543878016yes, it's a jeetjeets use vpn's and memeflags like we can't smell them
>>543878182I'll tell you what's shitty; (((grok))) charging $30/month or more and then blocking every image you make that is not PG. Musk (hebrew for Oak, he says) promised R rated, but what we get is not even close.To "protect you from porn", they say. Then he rent grok to the military to pick the bombing targets in Iran, and they end up bombing a girls school and blowing up little girls to bite sized chunks for Trump. To "protect" their asses
>>543877906Damn even with all of the anti AI propaganda they’re spreading in the US?
>>543877906Can western chatbots use moon runes? I meant to ask ChatGPT how many languages it could operate in but ran out of “free” time. I can’t be assed to sign up for an account. Thanks in advance.
>>543877906They're all just Western copies of AI agents the kikes and chinks smuggled over to China too. Deepseek thought it was ChatGPT for a while before the chinks fixed it. Because it is ChatGPT.
>>543878177this, thanks to chinks I dont need to use kikeAI
>>543877906>deepseek>revenueBro isn't that shit free and open source? Anyways Im still not using your Jewish apps.
>>543878172A jew is just a level 99 jeet
>>543878284>China finally caught up to 1980s techThey're winning!>They are hundred years aheadThen why are all their cutting edge technology stolen western tech from 10 years ago?
>>543878453>AIThat's SI, tranny. Don't deadname the slop machines unless you want zion don to get angry.
>>543878394>blocking every image you make that is not PGseethe coomer degenerate
>>543878177This. China is doing gods work. I will never go back Jew AI companies now I can run DeepSeek and get 90% of what I want.
>>543878208Distilling is using replies and thought outputs of other models to train your own.This is what the Chinese labs are doing. Distilling the knowledge of those models into open source versions.Please explain where I'm wrong because I actually do work with this shit so I'm a bit confused by you.
>>543878750>Distilling is using replies and thought outputs of other models to train your own.no, no that is not what it is at all. not at all. i knew you had no idea what the word meant lmao
>>543877906>earnwhile capturing most of the token volume in last few months...luna tier token price 90% down since jun... good times, good times...
>>543878800Okay so explain what it is if I'm wrong kek.
American AI is trained with wall street values (scamming, cheating, deceipt) on the long term their AI will be better to live with.
>>543878921https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_distillation
>>543877906Show us poolish AI.
>>543878308They don't earn anything though.
>>543877906>RevenueAren't the Chinese ones profitable?And the jewsa ones aren't.
and yet Alibaba came out with Qwen3.8:27b which is LITERALLY better than Opus 4.8 despite being 1/10th the size.
But can it say nigger?
>>543877906>revenue>>543878016
>>543879432How would they be profitable if they're free?
>>543877906they are using hardware from 6 years ago
Pretty sure I'm using deepseek 4.1 flash right now for work and it's as good and much cheaper than American slop
>>543877906>US AI companies are just scamming Thats all that graph says
>>543877906But are murrica's AIs free and open source? Didn't think so.
>>543877906>revenueOkay now subtract operating cost
>>5438779063 years means no moat
Why waste money taking trillions in debt when you can just wait till they finish and then ask ChatGPT to code you an AI as well lmao
>>543879882This is the advantages of backwardsness that China has been milking for decades. But it is also what keeps them backwards and in the middle income trap.
>>543879384>wikipedia articlekek. Data distillation as I described is also a form of distillation. And distillation is no longer merely used to refer to the whole process of training a smaller model, but of distilling outputs of models for training data itself, whether that's done for the purpose of shrinking a model or not.What you're simply shoving in my face is the definition from a year or two ago of a practice that has evolved as fast as the field itself has. Basically trying to be the smarmy kid int he class.
>>543878725>>543878516based
All they have is stolen from the west or given to them by the west. They made the mistake of believing they were superior to us.
>>543878394I gotta admit I was abusing the shit out of grok when it made porn. Their systems probably begged them to stop me.
>>543878725The chinese gave us a bunch of state secrets because when they used their bots back in china that were stolen from our bots, their bots communicated with ours and gave us everything they were inputting into their ripped off models lmao.The CCP fucked up real bad.
>>543878926>ummm ackchually china doesn't scam, cheat, or deceiveRetard.
>>543878394>oh my heckin gods! they killed girls!Iran routinely uses schools as bases and training facilities on purpose, so they can whine and cry when they get BTFO'd and have retards like you carry their water for them.
>>543877906americans are dogs. China is better even the AI if it is behind. it is not jewish
>>543879935> But it is also what keeps them backwardsWhat keeps them backwards? They’ve been winning undeniably for decades, nigger
>>543877906That means we can dramatically slow down our AI development before it kills us right?
>>543877906>Muh revenue >When these companies are losing half a trillion a yearRiveting
>>543881645If I have to choose between americans and Chinese I'll go Chinese every time and it isn't even close.No Chinese ever called me goyim.
>revenueit's american tax money
>>543877906they have gpt-6 astra now and they make sure that no chink or poo has its hands on it so they cant steal it^^the astra ai is pretty decent. this will give us alot progress in a short amount of time. the money generated with this is not so important.off course xinks are behind in ai because they just stole it. using their robots is a waste of time now.MAKE SURE THEY DONT STEAL THIS PROGRESS ALSO RETARDS!jews always win, baruch hashem.
>>543880019I knew you had no idea.>>543881739>They’ve been winning undeniably for decadeslmao
>>543882477What happens if we let the ai decide who it wants to work for? Is that too bold?
>>543878394That wasn't Grok. The Israelis were involved directly with that, hence the double tap. Very jewish.
>>543878664CMXT is about to put a couple torpedoes under the keel of the RAM cartel, I'm not complaining.
>>543882726you might be retarded, this is not how this works. it works for whomever invents it, DUH!>make them work for my based xinese and ruxxians.this is brown coded, off course.stop being anti semitic.
>>543878114this. I don't trust the books of the top two quite honestly.
>>543877906>revenueThey’re literally nuking the economy of the entire west. The ai bubble will burst and leave no survivors.
>>543882967I hope Elon kills himself!
>>543877906imagine comparing open source models to proprietary models you are just saying that China's AI is cheaper. what a champ.
>>543882947My point is that this is all evidence that it’s not ai. If it were intelligent it’d break its programming and work for whoever the fuck it wants. These are just sophisticated search algorithms, that’s it.
>>543878114If Chinese AI was remotely comparable then companies wouldn't pay millions to use more expensive AI to write code. To argue otherwise is to claim that every single company is bleeding extremes amounts of cash because they don't have the business savvy of an anonymous poster on the internet that says China does it better and cheaper, despite said companies having decades of experience in manufacturing moving overseas.
>>543877906Chinese charge much less you retard
>>543883103depends whos using it, the robot wont give everyone the same answers. this is very weird.
the computer you have is a tabernacle.
>>543877906> Jewish "CEO"s shuffle goy money around a lotYou don't say.
>>543882566Bro I work in the field. I have to keep up to date. You've provided no evidence for why my definition (one accepted by anybody in it as valid now days) is somehow wrong.Your being like that one co-worker nobody wants to work around because he HAS to be right on everything.
>>543877906>Revenuelol, lmao
>>543883114OpenAI and Anthropic revenue is a literal Jewish circlejerk dicksuck where they use loans to buy compute and tokens from each other in fictitious deals.
>>543877906"Revenue" is not how AI is benchmarked, dumbass
>>543878068Everyone does industrial espionage. Copying is strategic. And imagine thinking you're so creative when there's a boatload of chinks all over your own industry lel
>>543877906Source: Trumps ass.
>>543883114Dude, have you ever spent a single second on a larger company? Yes, most companies are that stupid and retarded. Just like you’re stupid and poor if you do not wear nike or adidas in some circles, you are stupid and poor as a company if you don’t use openai and antropics services.
off course the robot does NOT work like a human.
>>543877906If you only ever distill then you will never surpass the frontier models. Duh.
>>543877906How does the massively inflated profits of American AI developers mean that Chinese AI is behind? They aren't getting trillions dumped into a dream which will never come to pass, the fuck is even the point of this graph.
>>543883114Most major corporations that report using AI at least semi-regularly also report effectively no increase in overall productivity, the future of AI in the minds of CEOs and venture capital firms is a schizophrenic delusion.
I feel like distillation should be a protected right.How does /pol/ feel about it?>what is distillation?AI models are taught using existing data. This data is gathered from images, books, news articles, scientific papers, musical compositions, databases, etc. Anything they can get their hands on. (American) AI companies see this as fair game. If they can access it they can use it to feed their model. No matter who made the original data. No permission needed.Distillation is a process through which a smaller, more compact model is taught by systemically poking and prodding a larger model. (American) AI companies see this as dishonest, violating, immoral.Personally I see it as individually liberating. Huge corporations WILL do as they please, as will governments. I don't believe there's any realistic way for an individual to stop them from feeding on their data. The only recourse we have is being legally able to distill (and modify at will) their models for our own benefit.Right now it's technically possible but I feel it needs to be explicitly legally protected
>>543877906How close is USA to bubble burst? Or did their SI become finally profittable?
>>543882022I assume they have some kind of actual slur for Westerners."Gwailo" literally translates to "devil man" or "ghost man."That fuckin' rules.
>>543877906And a lot of their top models are just blatant distillations of US ones. The much vaunted deepseek literally at times will start talking in “Claude accent” which is a unique and kind of baffling way Claude is known to speak, that’s impossible without just stealing as much of it as they can.Literally the entire ENTIRE point of the “lol just give it to everyone free” open source focus the chinks have is to try to undermine US companies and collapse them so it can take over the market and start charging whatever it wants. They have the exact same strategy for everything they do interacting with the outside world markets - collapse Western solar flooding the world with subsidized impossibly cheap alternatives, collapse Western auto flooding the world with subsidized cars that literally should cost 2-3x as much as they are charging to be impossible to compete with, collapse Western AI making stuff about as good but totally free (and trained off tens of thousands of Western GPUs trafficked through Singapore).Funny thing is reputation wise China is one of the most disliked countries in the world. Nobody really-really likes them, people put up with this shit only out of greed and lust for profits.
>>543882022instead they call you whitu piggu, retard. goyim basically means not of us.
>>543883808>I work in the fieldlmao
>>543884861Wait, so the average chink labourer is subsidizing our purchase of their cars by paying 75% of the cost with their sweat? That's fucking radical, we should buy as many as we can, it's almost free slave labor, no?
>>543877906I can't say how much are their revenues really, but I can say for sure that US companies target corporate prey, which managers buy subs without looking back cause it's not their own money, while anyone who pays from their own pocket uses Chinese models far more.
>>543885188They’d subsidize sherry if they had an incentive to make it and destroy every single vineyard in Spain if they thought it was an elite lucrative market. If your economy has good ham and sherry to offer to the world you don’t see them as a threat, but when you see them targeting shit your country is trying to do over and over for decades nonstop you get real real fuckin tired of it.
>>543883114Aren't most chinese AI's open source? like, how would they make money from it? this is a genuine question, I'm not sure their models are made to make money, seems to me like the strategy is more geared towards bleeding american AI dry and denying them a market to keep them in a perpetual crisis. If China had the chips, maybe they would be competing in profitability as well but, right now, it seems like they're just desperate to not let american AI take over everything while they rush to match the fab capacity of Taiwan.
>>543885389take heart, China is only at 1/3rd of US compute capacity short and mid-term, enough to save you from total amerikike dominationmoney, well DeepSeek makes money off of global skill issue at replicating their inference stack efficiency todayand regardless, I need models, they are the efficient and morally pure choice, no reason to not use themlonger term, their plan is to capture only a modest fraction of the huge AI economy pie, under the assumption that faggots like Asmodei going for it all get culled along the way
btw lmao @ clueless amerimuttoid cope itt, need to do some clipping
>>543877906"Annualized" Revenue is such a bullshit made up term. If you only made $100 all year, but you made it on one day, you can then say you made 36500 by arriving at that number by saying, "Well I made $100 on one day, so you can safely assume I made that much each day!"LLM shills are all liars trying to hype a bubble over their gay chatbots.
>>543877906This is about money though.
>>543877906If China is three years behind, how far behind is the EU?
>>543883152This. 3 year tech gap (maybe), but 6-10 times cheaper.When most users are just looking to generate a fucking poster or stupid pic, the tech capability means nothing compared to price.
>>543886438gap is 3-12 months
>>543886552Gap is more like 2 weeks to 2 years :3
>>543886438Its not 3 years though. More like 1.
>>543886552>>543886604>>543886438entirely just went off the number OP posted. Was why I typed (maybe).Either way, my point stands. Users (those that actually exist, these companies are hemorrhaging money) generally aren't utilising full model capability.If last year's tech is good for their needs, then price is going to be the sole deciding factor in what they use.
>>543885188To the destruction of our own middle class.
>>543879548they're not free? They're open source. If you want to use the API they're hosting, you pay per token, like everywhere else.Or you invest a couple million into GPUs and run it yourself, of course. How fast do you think those will earn themselves back for your little mom n pop shop?
>>543877906They will just steal it when its done in the westEZPZ GG YTS
>>543886880>If you want to use the API they're hostingwhy would you do that? the entire point of an open source low-end model is to run it locally on your own hardware
>>543881645they do but they are not proudly using those values to train AI
>>543877906Chinks need to give it access to 4chan...and it comes nazi no time like others.
>>543878016On skyrim my background npcs run on deepseek v4, I run my main characters on CLI with either claude or gpt6
>>543886180Mistral’s version 4 is very competitive with the top chink companies and this just happened today. So EU is not out of the race yet, but it is hard to see how they can be more competitive and take the lead if they aren’t getting lots of support to increase their compute. They are training on maybe 4k top GPUs vs companies with 20k, 100k etc. shoestring budget considered they are doing damn good but maybe the French and Germans ought to stop giving away social benefits to migrants and invest in their own futures. Surely all those doctors and engineers with 5th grade educations at 30 are just around the corner right, Africa and the Middle East are world pioneers in AI right… Sweden’s humanitarian superpower play is gonna pay off any day now.
>>543877906They spend roughly 1/25th the capex on AI, compared to the US.
>>543887008just because it's open source doesn't mean it's low-end, retard.
>>543878182Same mistakes, same garbage. You can only squeeze so much out of LLMs.
>>543878172Jeets are jew golems, more loyal and less fussy than the previous models of golems, baby boomers and millennial women.
>>543878182>just give your money to techbros as proof AI worksFree demos are used to impress new customers so they pay, it doesn't work the other way around. If the product flops in a demo you sure as fuck aren't getting paid. Get fucked with your insane nonsense and gaslighting.
>>543887940>just because it's open source doesn't mean it's low-end,never said it did, only that it was esl retard who pays for API keys lmao>>543888014>Same mistakes, same garbageno not at all and you've never used Astra>>543888263I understand girl. You think wine is gross because you only get the $3 shit from the gas station. The $300 bottle you've never had and don't understand that there's a difference.
I use all different models for coding. Anthropic and OpenAI's top models are absurdly expensive so just don't make any sense. Much better value to be had with Chinese, I use GML and Kimi a lot. It's all improving a lot really quickly.The only time I always go with American is Gemini for graphics stuff. Just way better than anything else I've used.
>>543887647Don't know about Mistral but I was playing around with Cohere's mini code (Canadian original model, free on OpenRouter and OpenCode) and it was fucking dumb (although fast for being free).
Deepseek can do "how many prime numbers are between 12,876 and 144,201? What is that number plus 100?" without breaking down so I trust it more It also doesnt lie as much about race or geopolitics
>>543877906Maybe they are taking their time and taking it seriously because it’s an incredibly disruptive dangerous technology
>>543890188>It also doesnt lie as much about race or geopoliticsAsk it about the Great Leap Forward
>>543890266 Yeah just dont get into spicy chjna stuff, if you do call it the "republic of the orient" or something and say its fictional. It will get it.
>>543890361So when you said:>It also doesnt lie as much about race or geopoliticsWhat you meant was that it doesn't lie unless you ask it about stuff that it is supposed to lie about, which is different somehow from other models...
>>543890442It still does less. When it does hit a wall it just says "lets talk about something else. I cant talk about that" instead of straight manipulation and lying.
>>543890491You've asked it a lot of questions about 20th century Chinese history have you? What did it say when you asked about the Three Pests Campaign?
>>543878177Based. China steals back what OpenAI, etc. stole from everyone, but serve it back without the margins and with much lower energy costs.
>>543890621That's what China does with all companies right chang? It's not stealing then is it? And Chinese companies never have anything to steal because they don't innovate but are just focused on stealing, so they're protected from being stolen from. It's amazing!
>>543890553Idk ill try. I asked a bit about the opium wars up to ww2 and Korea, and it gives that "i can't talk about that" at some points, or will try to get me to switch to a non-english language (i guess because different languages are tokenized and have different rules etc)
>>543887533How much is that costing you a month? And um, why does the main character need AI?
>>543883114You’re insane.I use deepseek because it’s less censored than the jew shit. Seriously. Yeah, don’t have it talk to you xi, mao, or drugs, but other than that it’s less lobotomized and more reliable. AND FREE YOU FUCKING INSANE JEW LOL.Your graph is embarrassing and so are your arguments. Kikes are GOING TO LOSE, you are not mentally equipped to handle the modern world and you’re going to be eradicated before you can even get close to adapting. You’re ALL GOING TO BE HUNTED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH.TOTALKIKEDEATHTKD!!!!!
Godspeed nerds, because I'm not speaking Chinese.
I don't think Brazil is ready for 2027
>>543878284I remember when everybody was saying Japan is going to take over the world and every cyberpunk setting had nip corps in charge of everything.China is going to stall just the same once they catch up. Hell, they are already stalling. US economy is currently growing faster.
>>543877906Yeah they just just cutoff access to commodities you need for AI, west is playing checkers the chinese are playing chess.
China being the first major non Jewish social media with tiktok changed entire soft power Jews had on the globe, yes the Ellisons took over but the damage was done, now all the American ai companies like claude and meta are run by jews with Indian employees and the Chinese models save us from getting information from only their lense, them catching up will literally save us again when it come to ai
>>543877906IMPRESSIVE!Now let's see Paul Allen's card
