I just hear of American and Chinese AI models.. is Russia even a player in this competition?
>>543883180you don't need a third wheel, once you realise that China just takes American models and makes them free/opensource.Than they get integrated by other countries into vital areas including military.How do you think Russian loitering munitions apply AI all of them sudden?
>>543883180Russia doesn't even have satellite internet
>>543883180I haven't heard of oneLike japan I don't think they are a playerI don't think they are even that active in the research sphere but I could be wrong
>>543883180Yandex Alice AIGigachatthese are actually pretty decent models if you use them in the web version for basic q&a in russian language. around gpt-4.1 level.overall russia is on par with france here, where they managed to make mistral. in terms of ai russia is way behind the US and china and sits at the level of european countries, meaning it practically doesn't participate in the ai race at all.and russia is under sanctions, meaning buying top gpus and building datacenters is super hard because of hardware import issues. if it weren't for the sanctions the situation would be better, at least russia has cheap electricity and could build datacenters there.but in russian companies that i know, everyone uses either openai/anthropic models illegally (despite sanctions and constant account bans), or uses chinese models.t. russian
>>543883180They almost certainly have some very small AI for very specific tasks, since there’s no money for good hardware - and consequently, no good AI.Pic semi-related.
>>543883180Russia usually hate people with too much intelligence....AI's are 100% sure out.
>>543883332big yikes
>>543883530>I don't think they are even that active in the research sphere but I could be wrongrussia never really had any serious computer science research.right now russia has decent baseline cs education where they teach you solid math (analysis, linear algebra, probability theory, mathematical statistics, discrete math, optimization methods, differential eqs, etc.) and general cs stuff like operating systems, networking, compilers, databases, and ml basics.everyone who wants to do actual research in cs, ml, ai, etc. goes to grad school or a phd in europe or america, a small fraction goes to china. there's basically no notable research happening in country. there are a few labs like Yandex Research or AIRI, but that's literally nothing compared to what germany/france/uk have.t. rus
>>543884086Inb4 "muh Germany" - picrel.
>>543883180To make AI you need a ton of compute power.Russia has the tech talent, but are too poor to buy the compute, and not enough of the talent to produce the computer themselves.
They've been getting raped in Ukraine, so they're behind on the AI front. Much like their meatwave tactics, they failed to adapt in the cyberwar and got left behind despite having every advantage
>>543884245i seesounds like the country has a poor research/industrial strategy thenI think the purpose of government research grants is to attract researchers. I guess the Russian government ought to give out more grants.
>>543883180There's a whole world of things you are not aware of. Russians have their own sphere of internet and apps.
>>543883180No
>>543884714russia never had R&D / industry strategy after the 1990s. the core of the economy is selling resources to europe (especially germany), and after 2022 to china and india. that is literally our whole economy.there was never any real investment in r&d, startups, or the tech industry. the few tech companies that popped up in russia are more of a legacy from the ussr than modern russia. we almost never had a vc culture, and all venture capital fled the country after 2022. right now the interest rate is 15%, which basically makes growing a business extremely difficult or impossible.overall i don't think anyone in russia seriously believes in the country's future or is willing to invest in it. feels like CEOs in most russian tech companies are just trying to keep their businesses from dying under extreme conditions. nobody is making even 1-2 year plans, and i suspect people with money in russia might not even believe russia will survive the next 10 to 20 years.that is why the idea of training ai models or actually participating in the ai race feels like complete madness to a lot of people inside russia. it is much easier to just grab open source ai solutions from china than to make hyper risky investments.it's grim there.
Putinism, in one timeline:1980s USSR: space station, rockets, military and civilian planes, cars, electronics.1980s China: no space station, no crewed spaceflight, weak planes, weak cars, weak electronics.2026 China: space station, rockets, passenger planes, world-class cars, electronics, HarmonyOS, AI, millions of industrial robots.2026 Russia: no independent space station, civilian plane production nearly dead, Sukhoi/Yakovlev dependent on foreign components routed through China and Turkey, Chinese cars and electronics everywhere and after once pioneering teletanks, Russia has to import Iranian Shahed drones.From Mir, planes and teletanks to Chinese parts and Iranian drones.
>>543885533>there was never any real investment in r&d, startups, or the tech industryRussia is top 5 by trade surplus, and by reserves( but also huge capital flight)
>>543886127yep, but where all this trade surplus went? to war in ukraine lol.
>>543883180It’s a two man race. Russia ain’t part of it.
>>543885533oh of course investor confidence must be dire for russiaI've heard that lenders cap the credit rating of a company to the credit rating of its country. Russia isn't even given a credit rating by many rating agencies, so I guess it's even harder for companies to get loans.
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Not reallyThe Russian tech sector was poorly managed during the Soviet era and focused heavily on just copying the west.Despite this they did on occasion produce stuff that was remarkable and revolutionary like the first ternary computer systems. Problem though was infighting between officials/researchers and the military insisting on being a silo where nothing got in or out tech wise. So they were never able to capitalise on anything In the software sense though they did develop some very interesting software development norms as a consequence of their limited resourcesMost importantly an obsession towards optimisation that persists as habit to this dayA Russian programmer can make the same program but using less than half the system resources, it's beautiful to beholdHowever with the fall of the soviet union all this went to shit. The USA was heavily involved in the carving up of the soviet industries and ensured its tech sector was killed off as this was a vital strategic sector for the USARussian hardware nerds were basically left out in the cold for a few decades and only started being rescued from the streets after Putin had been in power for a whileRussian software developers mainly moved into cybercrime where permissive legal norms and their optimisation habits proved extremely usefulAll this means that Russia is way behind on the tech curve. Make no mistake theres considerable capability there despite everything but they're behind the pack and possibly running on borrowed time bought for them by the soviet era education system.AI isn't a field they've really had the means to do more than poke at, they're not a player in this sector and their limited involvement is with open source models and finding practical uses for them
>>543883894>overall russia is on par with france hereNo, it isn't. Alice is a meme model specialized primarily in the Russian language. Mistral models are general purpose and include models with up to trillion parameters, making them comparable to Kimi/GLM.
>>543883180>PUCCIA>Advanced anythingThey have advanced stealth Sodomy techniques.
>>543883180Rusian doesnt have running water.
>>543887603Russian AI was sold to France.
>>543888620Here, the core AI of nebius used to be part of Yandex. Picrel is the kike faggot who sold it then ran away like a topical shitlib.https://nebius.com/
>>543883894Russia will spend a billion dollars on blocking the internet within the country. It is not trying to catch up in the field of AI. Jewtin has other goals—not the development of Russia or concern for its future.
