>20 years have passed>the last TRUE EXPRESSION of Christian values in ANY major art form>also widely seen as the greatest films of all timeWere they divinely ordained by God?
The movie is ugly and boring
>LOTR was 25 years ago
>>543891353Nerdslop for normies.
still surprised the demons havn't scrambled to make sequels where they would completely ruin all the legacy characters like what they did with star wars
No movie will be as white ever again
>>543891353>Were they divinely ordained by God?Yes, Jackson had the Mandate of Heaven.
It's the perfect metaphor for the overrunning of the west by nonwhite hordes
Why do normies love this goyslop shit?
>>543891440>boringYou got filtered.>>543891545Normies can't sit through one of these, let alone three of them. The movie doesn't spoonfeed you, making it too much like reading for normies.
>>543891565they have made a series where Elves (migrants) were hired for work because they have a higher endurance and are immortal and humans (white men) felt cucked and held protests against Elf workers because they stole their jobs.
>>543891565>demonswhy do online christcucks talk like this?
>>543891440>Brown thoughts
>>543891565>>543891676I prefer to pretend Amazon's little production just never happened.
>>543891353Most disgusting patriarchal white shit i ever watched Wish i could erase that memory
>>543891658It was literally the most popular movie of the year for normies when it came out.
They were just made by a group of people who collectively actually gave a shit about the source material. That's really all it takes. Nowadays it would probably have been directed by Christopher Nolan and written by a conference room full of women who despise the idea of a boy's own adventure. This is before even getting into the modern hollywood rules that would have disqualified LotR from winning any awards due to a lack of diversity.
>>543891696yes because Christians invented the concept demons
>>543891658nice cope retard, but normies love those movies>The movie doesn't spoonfeed youLmao
>>543891768ESL huh? figuresI was asking why you faggots talk like that online but would never say that on person to anyone
>>543891353These are definitely not one of the greatest films ever made, you stupid mainstream normie. Go watch some Terrence Malick or Passion of Joan of Arc from 1928
First movie - goodSecond movie - greatThird movie - snoozefest
>>543891759This may shock you but things in 2001 were pretty different. Maybe you weren't even born yet so you might not know. The normies of 25 years ago are not the normies of today. Normies back then read newspapers and liked it. Everything was slower paced even the tv shows. Today's normies simply do not have the attention span for this kind of thing.
>>543891440Either Gen alpha or brown or both >>543891747The story wasn't expended into the desert, blame his ancestors for not expanding the story for you and your familiar region
>>543891705more like jewish thoughts not brown
anon said Terrence Malick
>>543891863Wrong. The first was great, the second was slop, the third not worth watching
>Christian valuesdid the movie have any scenes like pic related?
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>>543891353>Christian valuesI missed the part where Aragorn turned the other cheek to the Uruk
>>543891928No, but it was kino in my mind
>>543891919Hm, maybe. I actually only remember the last one being boring. Maybe I mixed up the book experience with the movie experience.
good gospel song that came out after lotr and got a lot of play due to it’s fatboy slim association. https://youtu.be/CTkIpD7v_bY>>543891565i mean… they did and continue to. only technicality is it’s prequels instead of sequels but same characters.
>>543891761It was all of five seconds of Hollywood paying attention to the source material and respecting the vision of the original artists until they had to go fuck it up all over again. Only instead of it being because they bought the copyright and gave it to some inflated ego douche to fuck up it's because everything they produce must include gay characters and woke themes. At least we got some good Marvel movies out of it.
>>543891761There are multiple interviews where the writers said they worked hard to purge their own ideas and biases from the script, to make the final product as pure an adaptation as possible. Even as production began they scrambled to add as many direct quotes from the text to the movies as they could. They were genuine, passionate artists, and that's very rare today. Most "artists" just use their creations as either therapy or propaganda, and there's almost no incentive for them to stop because the whole industry is a circlejerk of untalented "artists" praising each other's slop.
>>543891863>>543891919>dissing the ride of the rohirrim to be contrarian
>>543891897Yes, what's wrong with The Tree of Life?
>>543892123Man, the movie was almost 4 hours of nothing but fighting. With a few Frodo bits here and there. Come on...
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>>543892212Are you retarded, or were you just one your phone the whole time? I've watched it twice this year, it's one of the best movies ever made.
>>543892248Not many people know this, but Tolkien's Dwarves were based on Jews. Their language is obviously based on Hebrew, anyone who looks at it and looks at Hebrew can see it immediately. They keep their true names secret and use "Mannish" (Norse) names with other people, on the surface they are Norse, but then you dig deeper. They are one of the Free Peoples of Middle-Earth but with a distinct separate cosmological origin and destiny. They are short beardy guys known for their greed and for being scattered as diaspora. They have a longstanding feud with the Elves. It's not exactly subtle.
>>543892385Stfu reddit faggot, their language was based on semitic languagesThey are not known for greed and they are not a diaspora any more than elves arebesides tolkien was a posh fag academic that loved jews
>>543892320What is good about it?
can't enjoy it anymore after learning what Hackson did to the actors.
>>543891353Wtf does christianity have to do with LOTR you dumb crosscoper?
>>543891353the first film was close to a 10/10, even all the changes to the source material were sensible and arguably improved the adaptation. it also benefits from the rich variety of different landscapes the second and third films made so many questionable changes and idiotic additions to the plot that they are hard to watch, even though the good stuff is really good. also the scenery is a lot more samey and visually not as interesting but that's just what the plot demanded I guess. >>543891440
>>543892541>they are not known for greedIt doesn't seem like you read Tolkien's work.>"They delved too greedily and too deep, and disturbed that from which they fled, Durin's Bane." - Gandalf (Fellowship of the Ring)>"They used their rings only for the getting of wealth; but wrath and an overmastering greed of gold were kindled in their hearts, of which evil enough after came to the profit of Sauron." - The Silmarillion>"Dwarves are not heroes, but a calculating folk with a great idea of the value of money..." - The Hobbit
>>543891353Narnia movies?
>>543892547>What is good about it?Everything. Literally everything. The music, the performances, the costumes, sets, script. Every last major character is brought to their breaking point and we learn who they truly are. It has so many things to say about duty, despair, hope, love friendship, forgiveness, the nature of life and change. If you can watch Sam carry Frodo, or Aragorn bow to the hobbits, or watch Frodo say his final farewell to his friends and not feel anything, I don't know what to say. >>543892686Everything. When writing the story, Tolkien was unable to divorce his own Christian beliefs from the fundamental architecture of the universe, so he removed and explicit references to religion from his works, because he knew if he didn't, they'd be Christian propaganda. This isn't some sort of conspiracy or mystery, Tolkien himself said he did this consciously. Eru Illuvatar is literally God. Not that he's an allegory for Him, or an interpretation of Him, LITERALLY Him.
>>543892686>>543892541your ignorance is only surpassed by your laziness
>>543892777Checked
>>543891353It was the last great epic where they actually cast White people. Something like this can never be made anymore because it wouldn't satisfy diversity quotas for awards and it still used practical effects.
>>543892248varg vikernes BTFO
Weird as hell to me that these movies are considered old now, I've heard people call them "millenial classics". I remember seeing them in theaters when they were brand new.>>543891565They made a tv show that cost over 3x the budget of all 3 movies combined per season that is absolute liquid dogshit complete with nigger elves, lore rape out the wazoo and down syndrome hobbits.
>>543893295>I remember seeing them in theaters when they were brand newSame here anon. I remember people getting up then sitting down again, and again, as ROTK non-endings faked them out.
>>543893295WE WUZ RANGZ
>>543893138>>543893026>Can't explain why it's CHRISTIANLet me guess, it's a feeling?Perhaps the "holy spirit" making you feel that way therefore this vague attributation makes this the greatest work of all time?
>>543891761It was this>>543892117There was a very specific and strongly enforced attitude towards the entire production that all personal biases and politics must be quashed and it must be kept as authentic as they could while still being an actiony blockbuster series of movies. Many of the people involved are really faggy now (Ian Mckellan is a giant narcissistic theatre queen that couldn't be further from Gandalf in personality if he tried) and still were faggy then but all of that was deliberately restrained and withheld. The mentality was "adapt this story as best as you possibly can and portray these characters as accurately as possible or get the fuck off set".
>>543892541>I do think of the 'Dwarves' like Jews: at once native and alien in their habitations, speaking the languages of the country, but with an accent due to their own private tongue
>>543893026>frodo sends sam away for some retarded reason>the invincible green aura of death ghost army makes all the sacrifices of the humans pointless >denethor is reduced to a dribbling retard>as a matter of fact, all gondorian characters either slow down the heroes, are actively insane or just exist fodder to be cut down by orcs. why the fuck should the watcher even care about Gondors fate apart from its nice architecture? I love the film but perfect it ain't.
>>543893262>and it still used practical effects.kek it absolutely LOADED with CG
>>543893295reminds me of how it took 10x the devs to make halo:campaign evolved and it was a partial remake in unreal engine (half the work already done for them) and it was a buggy piece of trash.
>>543893488>"The Lord of the Rings' is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision. That is why I have not put in, or have cut out practically all references to anything like 'religion,' to cults or practices, in the imaginary world. For the religious element is absorbed into the story and symbolism."Tolkien's own exact words, anon.
>>543893573You're right about that but the practical effects they still used made a big difference. Compare orcs from Jackson's LOTR to the orcs from his Hobbit movies and you'll see what I mean.
>>543892686Insanely dumb question.
>>543892777Typical reddit take, first used as a adverb to describe a eventSecond and third nothing to do with greedTypical midwit takehad you read the books you'd see greed in men and elves too
>>543893552Nigger tolkien didn't invent dwarfs, like everything else in his books he lifted it from European mythology, giving them a semitic language doesn't make them jews
>>543891353HAHAHA you have to watch Meet The Feebles then. Based kiwi takes a steaming hot dookie on hollywood kikes with that one!
>>543891353it's gnosticslop. sauron is Yahweh.
>>543893599yes chriggers can't into inventory things, they can only steal and corrupt already existing ideas and conceptstolkien is the equivalent of warhammer 40k, just stealing a bunch of other people's ideas and mashing them together Far harder to actually create something
>>543891353>christian valuesWhat are these?
>>543892769Yeah I'm glad I only read the books after watching the movies, I can understand why diehard tolkien fans hate it lol.
>>543891353God was Narnia.Hippies and counter culture were Tolkein. In fact creating a story to compete with the bible was anti-christian.
>>543893862>muh buzzwordsYou are being ridiculous. He directly said that they used their rings only for "wealth" but got an "overmastering greed of gold". How much more clear does it have to be? I didn't even mention Doriath. I think you are just stubbornly clinging to your mistake and it doesn't matter to you what's in the books.>>543893979So even when Tolkien himself said that's what he was doing, it's still not enough for you? Get a grip.>>543894089You hate Tolkien's so much yet here you are discussing it at length. Curious.
>>543891491Depressing, not just the fact we are getting old but also the fact plenty of young people never watched the movie, it isn't a cultural phenomenon to them.
>>543894167>Hippies and counter culture were TolkeinEvery teenage boy was reading it anon. It was not considered political.>story to compete with the bibleTolkien called it a "fairy story". Hardly a holy book, despite OP's enthusiasm.
>>543891353Tolkien was a shabbos goyim so I really only like the movies desu
>>543891353When whites were not fully cucked yet.Now movies are full of niggers and trannies.
>>543893979no he just thought of them as jews, thats allretard.
>>543891696>ine christcucks talWhy do you kikes always make up these meaningless ooga booga grunting sounds when you're mad about something?Use English words
>>543894174That's under the influence of the rings and sauron you faggotWhat did tolkien say?And? why do I need to like some posh effeminate academic that wrote hitler a love letter about jews to talk about his works?leafs never contribute anything of value
>>543894374>as jews>like jews Imagine trying to talk about english literature as a ESL...
>>543894575>Le demoons!!! repent!!! dood valtLmaonpt one of these faggots would talk like that around people
>>543892769>were sensible and arguably improved the adaptation.They were bad at subversion because it was women doing the script.The hobbit is what they wanted it to be.
>>543891353The movies and book are very good I just dont like some of the messages, fuck both Eru Illuvitar and Sauron
>>543894870>demoon>dood >valtSee? More meaningless ooga booga grunting soundsEvery single last one of you kikes does this and nobody else does. This has to be some form of jewish tourettes
>>543895290>Ooga>booga>kikeLmao I suppose it's too much to ask for a christcuck to be self aware
>>543891928your pic was made by someone who never read the bible. the jews st. Paul tells us to help are the converted to christianity, because they got screwed by converting and are socially pariahs because of it in their old pharisaic communities
>>543894817imagine imagining you're pedantry makes you correctpseud.
>>543893979Okay were you discussing dwarves from something else? Or were you discussing tolkien in a lotr thread?
>>543891491I want to slap its flank
>>543892547the rohirrim outfits look like these old soviet movies representations of the Rus pagan soldiers. Really nice.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pis3veqKl8k
LOTR isn't very christian and I will argue that forever. I understand Tolkein was a catholic and there are christian themes but its very much a synthesis of christianity and european prechristian stories and yes even paganism. Christians don't like to admit the latter part for some reason probably because those are some of the best parts.
>>543891705I grew up on the books and movies. Read The Silmarillion in English and Portuguese and got around 10 youtube channels on LOTR.It was also a huge success here.>Jewish thoughtsLike the other anon said
>>543898136Who cares? LOTR is an expression of European identity and the movie was rightly focused on European actors.
>>543891440Too white, too talky, too walky, not enough action or special effects, mid women, 5/10 at best
>walking simulator >:(>non interactive walking simulator with midgets :000/pol/chuds are a low IQ joke
>>543893573Never said it didn't
>>543898136As time has gone by, I feel the "irredeemable orc" flaw that Tolkien admitted to is a much bigger problem in the whole work than initially thought. Not because I care about orc rights or whatever, but because it is simply too easy to reduce them to "the other" and make the whole epic about killing them all, which greatly cheapens the work. Let's be honest, most of the "muh christian values" LOTR bros would probably love some grisly crusader trilogy about killing muslims for 12 hours and more likely fangirl over that than the fantasy about walking trees, if it existed.More to the problem, LOTR has clearly been subverted even though it is perhaps the most robust fantasy world ever constructed. Tolkien would be aghast at all these glowie military industrial complex companies with LOTR branding, but again I feel he allowed it by not fixing the problem.
https://youtu.be/7lurfovx9JI?si=m7dRfcgVNeDERs3zLl.
Tolkien was a philosemite who hated Hitler. It's appropriate that his gay gnomes are all fat niggers now.
>>543894167>In fact creating a story to compete with the bible was anti-christian.to compete? what a load of bullshit. he uses external signs to elaborate and explain christianity symbolism without using the name of Christ one single time. try to do something like it, I dare you. the man is a genius.
>>543891353all white cast too. doesn't get much better than that
>>543891353The producer and director of these movies Peter Jackson is the most retarded faggot leftist you could imagine lol he just followed the books closely when making these films. He wasn't inspired lol what are you talking about?
>>543891353Jackson is a hack and the books were better.Casting was good though, shame Gimli and Pippin got done so dirty
>>543894184I remember being in middle school and my mom buying the soundtrack to this album. She use to blast the shit full volume and the whole house felt like an IMAX theater. The early 2000s were Good times.
>>543891440>t. scattyEat shit and die benchod
>>543899140hobbit films were better
>>543891565They've tried, but nobody cares because fanfiction written by a major studio is still fanfiction at the end of the day
>>543891353>also widely seen as the greatest films of all timenah m8, Looney Tunes: Back in Action was a better movie than LOTR
>>543891890It's fucking scatty.
>>543896790100% thisThe rabbi kikes genocided Nazarenes and Ebionites during their "rebellions". That was in part why Hadrian brought down the hammer on that satanic race
>ChristianThis book is not christian. Even when the author was a catholic and even if he’d said his catholic teachings inspired some of his work, The Lord of the Rings is a pagan myth (a fictional tale with theological elements outside of Abrahamism). There is no mention of Jesus Christ or his jewish god YHWH. The characters and values within the myth are inspired by a pre-christian age of heroes. Christians would like everyone to believe that values like loyalty, heroism and friendship didn’t exist before jesus but they did. Tolkien was familiar with these myths as he studied poems like Beowulf thoroughly and admired it for the pre-christian myth it was. On top of that, race and inheritance (nobility) are intertwined with spirituality, morality and will to power, a concept that is utterly anti-christian. The pic related first Jackson movie, which does a good job at capturing this ideas was directed by a man that isn’t Christian so even if you were only referring to the film you are absolutely wrong.
>>543893572True and all valid criticisms. He raped both Denethor and Faramir. And for some reason did not include Imrahil at all even though he was vital in the book. Also the whole Rohirrim march and meeting with the Druedain/Woses was butchered. Again, a critical part of the operation. The Rohirrim just appear out of nowhere in the movie, whereas in the book they wiped out the Orc sentries with Wose help. Tolkien wrote it like a legit military operation, but in the movie we have deus ex machina ghost army carrying the day. Still the best trilogy imo but yeah, some big "mistakes" especially in the third one. On the other hand he gave us Pelennor Fields and based Theoden for which I am eternally grateful.
>>543899460Eru Illuvatar is God the Father and Dyeus Ph2tr. Take the Aryan Christian pill
>>543899209Shit opinion
>>543899460watch you saw was what the catholic church used to do with pagan teachings. they took what was good and rejected the trash, thus christianizing the pagans but keeping the cultural elements that weren't detrimental to their salvation.Tolkien did a masterful work. Pagans, christians, atheists, communists, and all kinds of people of all backgrounds can read his work and enjoy, and they will not even perceive the catholic fabric of it, thus preparing them to understand christian concepts after.This is how you convert people. Really brilliant.
>>543900221>watch>what*
>>543892108>respecting the vision of the original artistsNo such as thing. Death of the author exists.
>>543900221I notice you're pulling for Judiaism too.> golem
>>543893505Many modern actors don't "act" in that the characters must be reflections of every part of themselves. Instead of becoming the character, the character becomes them. You can say what you want about Ian McKellen as a person, but he's an excellent actor. He brought an immense amount of Humanity to Gandalf and I can't imagine anyone else in the roll. I'm sure that to him, there was something deep in his past or his heart that helped him connect with the character.>>543893572All valid criticisms. The book is superior, but that's almost always the case. They call these sorts of things "adaptations" because a lot has to be cut out in order for it to work as a film. I would have strongly preferred the army of the dead be used how they were in the books, but that would have added another half an hour to the film, maybe more. I would have showed up for a 5 hour movie, because I was deeply invested in the story before the movies even came out. But the studio would never have allowed that, and I don't think the average person would have showed up for it. In Fellowship, Saruman's motivations are fundamentally different from how they are in the books, I suspect to contrast him much more sharply with Boromir and Gandalf. It might not be perfect, but I understand why they made the decisions they did.
>>543899460>This book is not christian.Completely false. It's one of the most Christian fictional books ever written. JRR Tolkien was deeply Christian and there are many Christian themes and symbolism embedded in LOTR. Tolkien was close friends with CS Lewis (Tolkien was actually who convinced Lewis to convert from atheism to Christianity). However, Tolkien disliked how heavy handed Lewis was with Christian symbolism in "Chronicles of Narnia." Instead of explicit allegory and things like Aslan being Literal Jesus, Tolkien was much more subtle with his allusions to Christianity in LOTR.In one of his letters, Tolkien says:>'The Lord of the Rings' is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision. That is why I have not put in, or have cut out practically all references to anything like 'religion,' to cults or practices, in the imaginary world. For the religious element is absorbed into the story and symbolism.For example, the Threefold Office, the traditional roles of Jesus Christ as prophet, priest, and king, are divided among Gandalf, Frodo, and Aragon. Each of those three characters experience a death and resurrection sequence at some point in LOTR.
>>543892769>the first film was close to a 10/10The Bridge of Khazad Dum was the apex of the trilogy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbKy6FuACKg
>>543893295I watched 3 episodes of this and it was fine.
>>543891731I would never watch their slop. Larwd dem rangs doesn't exist to me.
>>543900618The reason anon is confused is because Tolkien was also a student of pagan mythology. Many ideas, themes and even characters are taken from various pagan myths, especially the eddas. The reason the story is so universally beloved is because he managed to combine the two in such a natural, seamless way. Similar to how games like Dark Souls and Elden Ring are Japanese ideas wearing western clothing, The Lord of the Rings is Christian ideas in pagan clothing.
>>543900865It is still better than Two Towers and Return of the Kingm
>>543891950You see, LOTR is Christian because the author was Christian. It doesn't matter if his books were just a retelling of pagan myths with an all-powerful god placed above a pagan pantheon.
>Christcuck valuesLmao
>>543901226>"The Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision."Kikes will seethe.
