I’m pretty conservative, and normally I’d say if you want money, you should work for it. I don’t like the idea of the government just handing people money for doing nothing.But what happens if AI actually gets to the point where it takes a huge percentage of the jobs out there? If AI eventually replaces millions of jobs and there genuinely aren’t enough jobs for everyone, would you support Universal Basic Income?
>>543910742Why this guy looks so Jewish?
>>543910742I think it's easier to just kill or starve the general population
Where would the money ultimately come from?
No.when blue collar workers got triple tapped by automation, offshoring, and immigrationwe were told to go fuck ourselves, and learn to code. There was never any attempt to provide relief for the millions of people that were effected. We were met with indifference at best, and outright malice at worst, with people actively trying to make blue collar job loss even wore.Fuck you I got mine. Learn to plumb.
>>543910742Your bootstraps won't pull them themselves up, son
>>543910865Everyone is going to get fucked over>But it ain' gon take muh blue collar jerbEven if that's true (its not) whats going to happen to the value of your labor when tens of millions of former white collar workers start competing for your job?
>>543910802taxes obviously.
AI is going to rape USA but not the LLMs, the oligarchs and their greed.
>>543910935I don't have to worry about competing with Lashonda the affirmative action email answering girl lol
>>543910742By UBI you means Unlimited Bringing in of Indians? Who will manage the AI with their talents and make it work like lazy whites could never? Yes I am support.
>>543910985sure, sure
>>543910941Who pays taxes?
>>543911017besides, most of my networth is investmentsif white collar work gets automated away, companies will no longer have to pay 60 trillion a year in white collar payrolls,that's trillions of dollars of value that will go to investors like me.I'm already very close to being a millionaire, and I'm only 38.
>>543910865Those that learned to code will collapse pay in your field. No wonder you are dumb blue collar retard.
>>543911008>Sankeeth Gorillai'd rather they import an actual gorilla
>>543910742No. I know there won't be any jobs for anyone and the elites (those with generational wealth who can live comfortably) will want me and my detritus kind eradicated, but I still believe it's down to me to survive. So I'll be offering blowjobs, renting my anus out and occasionally killing/robbing/eating the more vulnerable amongst us.
>>543910865>a shit-picker thinks he won't get replacedcute
>>543910742I have always supported genocide and the mass culling of humansAi will not change my stance on the issue.Ideally we genocide top down but i know that isnt a realistic expectation So its better to hope for tranhumanist trannies to continue to open fire in public crowded space with a bunch of unarmed and helpless citizens
>>543911099Except white collar workers won't be able to compete lolmost are women as wellI'd like to see a woman do my work (they can't)
>>543911119Indeed anon. Apes > Hindpoos
>>543910742people get gibs and this is basically UBI. what gives.
the only thing that will probably change is that you can have endless income on the side. what gives.
>>543910742No, that's communism. You'll have to pick yourself up by the bootstraps
>>543910782It really isn't. It seems easy until hordes of starving people are in open revolt.
>>543911056Tax the billionaires more.
>I don’t like the idea of the government just handing people money for doing nothing.Why?
>>543911789Usually spite.
>>543910773Super Saiyan Jew 4
>>543910742yes but UBI is a stopgap measure and doesn't fix the underlying issue that the proles have nothing to offer the state anymore so the state doesn't have an incentive to offer UBI, infrastructure, services, regulations or securityMaybe it will continue doing those for 20 years out of principle but then a less principled person might get in power and start to curtail this stuff.
>>543911774How would they be compelled to pay without cops?>inb4 robocopsHow is the government going to pay for robocops without taxes? Even if they could, who'd sell to them?
>>543911879There will be something like the French or the Bolshevik revolution. Billionaires would rather die than redistribute even 1% of their wealth. All the better, they need to be all killed.
>>543911863>the proles have nothing to offer the state anymoreOver a long enough timeframe, the chance of rebellion rises to 1. And because elite cohesion is never perfect, these things rarely remain popular rebellions -- especially in educated countries with western values. It's incredibly shortsighted to put a country in the position where tens of millions are fucking miserable and hate everyone, but money talks until the pitchforks do.
>>543911924So when all the billionaires are dead, who's paying taxes?
>>543910742why do you need money when there are no jobs?
>>543910773You’re not gonna believe this...
>>543910742>When AI takes our jobs, would you support UBI?No we don't need more useless eaters.
>>543911951In theory, because billionaires are not especially skilled at anything... the assets they formerly owned will be able to continue being operated by the people who work at them. Let's say Elon Musk died tomorrow. Is his expertise with rocketry such that SpaceX would lose the ability to launch things into space? Would the Twitter servers crash with Elon there to maintain them?These guys just own things basically. Beyond that, their primary utility is interfacing with other billionaires. What SpaceX would lose isn't the ability to launch rockets but the guy who's good at talking to other billionaires to get them to give him money. If all billionaires disappeared... maybe the job of talking to billionaires might no longer be necessary, right?
>>543911951AI generates wealth by itself. Redistribute that wealth to the people.
>>543912092>>543912098Who pays taxes, though?And again, why would they?
>>543910742Do you really fucking think the elite will keep us around when that happens?
>>543910742You will never be a real employee
>>543912135I find this an unsatisfying and unresponsive answer to my post. Can you do a little better?
>>543911153White collar usually means 6'3+ to even have a chance at having a career, vicious determination to complete STEM degrees, the mindset that every day decides about your life, so you give your best all the time. They optimize their sleep, their food, their haircuts for performance. These people are coming for blue collar now. Don't let yourself get fooled by some meme trannies and the nepo babies at the top.>>543911939That's what the cameras and personal devices are for. To incarcerate the early movers.
>>543912181It's not an answer, it's a question. When all the billionaires are dead, who pays taxes to fund the UBI program?
>>543912092I think if Elon died tomorrow SpaceX would rapidly decline and eventually fail and in less than 5 years would have as much success in the rocket business as ULA, BO, or Boeing.
>>543912092>their primary utility is interfacing with other billionairesTheir primary activity is to make people attack each other so that they can grab the money in a tolerated side effect, which they call a win-win situation.
>>543910782Ai datacenters would be destroyed before people are all dead
>>543910742No. Drop the full time work week to 10 hours.
>>543912286Alot of datacenters are hidden
>>543912238But only if the successor does not have a similarly access-providing name like the really grounded and trustworthy אֵילוֹן, or oak tree in English.
>>543911939perhaps that was true in the past, but if the state has access to mass automation for both white collar and blue collar work, then it can very effectively suppress the populace, and also reduce the number of humans inside the system who could otherwise sabotage itSuppression can be done by surveillance which is both en-masse and targeted at every individual. If someone is proving to be an issue, you can just put them in a life-changing accident. (maybe a nearby self-driving car crashes into them)Digital services (such as news/social media feeds could be tampered with to restrict information flows. If it the population is riled up, release a very good piece of media or videogame, or maybe an great, black-market, full-dive VR experience, to distract portions of the population. Also suppression can be done via police (which can be automated).Worst comes to worst the state can just exterminate the proles via disease or famine or oxygen deprivation (thermobarics).Finally a state advanced enough for mass automation may have access to other technologies like limited mind reading, mind control, small drones etc. Dunno how much progress neuroscience makes but it could be a lot. (or a little)Basically unless it turns out that mass automation technology is decentralisable and can thus also be harnessed by us proles, it's over.
>>543912231>It's not an answer, it's a question.I answered it already. That's why your post is dissatisfying. >>543912238You might be right... if only Elon disappeared. But what if we got rid of the billionaire class entirely? I'm arguing that Elon's main function has very little to do with the operation of these companies -- it's primarily in his access and ability to sweet-talk other billionaires. That's his primary function. If we got rid of billionaires, I see no reason why "the guy who talks to billionaires" is necessary anymore. Back in the 40s and 50s, there used to be a broad Pb-acid battery repair industry in the US. You could take your old battery in and someone would repair it because batteries were expensive. Eventually, batteries became disposable goods and battery repair shops disappeared. I'm not sure we need "billionaire-access" guys.
I'll just become white trash hood nigger and die in a shootout with the cops.
>>543912286How, when every one of the hundreds of robots near you is ready to instantly police you in case you have a mental breakdown?
>>543910742Humans can run their own economy with human workers. When AI takes all the jobs, if I am still alive and ARFID hasn't killed me, then I will own several companies that only hire humans, mainly only White people. Our slogan will be, "We are not against AI, but we hire humans here"
>>543912339My point is not that rebellion will succeed. I think it will, but that's immaterial. The point is that it will HAPPEN -- and that it happening is so incredibly deleterious for any society regardless of outcome that it should be avoided at all costs.
>>543912363You definitely didn't answer. Maybe you thought you did, but it's unclear to me.
>>543912399hmmm i seewell under the premises we are using, the state doesn't need the proles anymore so the state wouldn't be affected even if all the proles died
>>543911762>>543912286You won't do SHIT tranny
>>543912393The work space to house the humans will be so expensive you won't be able to afford this. Only efficient competitive machine companies can pay such sums. Computer hardware prices are just the beginning of this.
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>>543910742>I’m pretty conservative, and normally I’d say if you want money, you should work for it. I don’t like the idea of the government just handing people money for doing nothing.I think people who are given money should pursue an education at universities and learn how to maintain the AIs in their field of study. If you don't go to school and become educated, you don't receive your money. So the answer is not Universal Basic Income, but rather the answer is just Basic Income based on education level. The higher your degree that you earn, the more money you receive.
>>543910742goyim do not deserve UBI
>>543911094What about your wife and your children?
>>543912420These people hold strategic position by playing others against each other. Now that machines think better and faster, the machines manage these positions for them, effectively controlling them. So their position becomes a piece of paper, like an old dictator who is being manipulated by his younger executive politicians. They would have to modify themselves to keep up, but how? They would have to give up human biological features like an individual mind, or a life history with memory, to keep up with an ever self improving web of thought. Notice how favorable it is for AI that it doesn't need to be an individual, that it can just start and stop with any memory and context, and be modified and copied everywhere?
>>543912386If they're wiping out people, who is going to answer to call? Boitlickers? They're always spineless, and would not stand against the masses. Only tell techbros how bad the masses are, hoping for a bone.
>>543912363Well as a finance guy, I think my finance skills are a unique skill set that I bring to the table. Elon appears to me to be a large organization managerial genius.
>>543912231Billionaires don't pay tax anyway. It makes no difference.
>>543912399Checked, and your point stands, I accept that. Their attempt at control and suppression is clearly totalitarian, but optimizing dynamic systems often quietly moves them towards a region of nonlinearity, of sudden phase change. Optimization asks for outcomes, and when the measures in the objectives don't capture all the capacity stored in the system, that capacity builds somewhere unnoticed, meaning it moves closer towards sudden phase change. Or in other words, they might underestimate the point where people just snap.>>543912699One can always keep a few bootlickers for amusement. But competition might soon be so rapid that their own features do not survive, like their need to look down on other humans, or to torture them.
>>543910742I'd love to this guy's head stomped in
>>543910742*herds you into Peter Thiels butthole funhouse with the rest of the deadbeats*
>>543912231Their assets generate wealth which is then distributed to the citizens. A small number of citizens act as overseers of the assets. Since Elon as well as other techbros keep saying how AI will generate wealth by itself, his role as well as the role of billionaire becomes superfluous. Ownership of a machine that creates wealth by itself, without any technical knowledge needed on your part makes you redundant, and as such the wealth can simply be shared. This is different from say, a plot of land, since the land needs to be worked by a farmer that creates wealth from the land, so his role is needed. If the labour is performed by machines completely then ownership becomes an archaic concept.
>>543912873However, he will stomp your bank account and your property titles. And your genetic legacy in form of your children, who will not be able to compete in an AI designed biosphere.
>>543913012>A small number of citizens act as overseers of the assets.Splendid, the next mentally ill power elite.
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>>543913103We shall see. I think these tech bro faggots are arrogant and unprepared for serious resistance to their nefarious agenda.
>>543912224If only extremely tall people are in your STEM job it must be nigger brained fake work though so I'm not sure you'll be much of a threat to tradies who have years of training already.
>>543910802It would essentially be a resource based economy. The billionaire/epstein class aka the "stakeholders" in stakeholder capitalism will own all the resources and the means of production. (you) will own nothing and be issued digital good goy credits, which will be withheld if your social credit rating drops too low. The technocrats dictate where and what you can spend your credits on. if you don't spend them they will expire.
>>543913185I see two major paths how humanity could survive AI: Elites underestimate sudden mass action, like I described in >>543912860, and side effects of technology ending civilization more or less accidentally. Destruction is easier than prevention, so capability increases the risk of doomsday. Nuclear power games almost caused a big extinction event dozens of times in the last 80 years, but the last two decades saw the rise of all kinds of bioweapons, self replicating software, mathematical weapons, and many more. And that's just the direct use as weapons, indirect and interacting effects could well be the most destructive part of capability.AI alignment seems to be very focused on preserving institutions of social power. If they can keep that up for some time to protect themselves, they are effectively running these vastly more agile and intelligent systems with control structures that evolved in small tribes of apes. Most of these are not fundamental properties of reality, they just emotionally believe that they are, because of their life experience that was shaped by easy access to funny money.I think that it is our duty to discuss these matters offline, because online media are governed by algorithms, fake narratives and alternatives.
>>543913377The industries I saw during my work life, all kinds of engineering, promoted those capable of "calm intimidation". The management class above the actual workers was quite inefficient, but good at extracting the value created by the workers. These people are now coming for blue collar. They will fight over customer bases and regional licenses to extract value, and some day, they will replace the trade workers with robots. Before that, the wages will drop from mass inflow of unemployed unskilled people, who will be supervised by AI goggles, so that robot training data can be collected.
>>543910742if that ever happens which i doubt - i will support a revolt and burning it all down so we can go back to being agricultural society
>>543910742Nigger there's not enough jobs for everyone right now thanks to womemes being allowed into the workforce and DEI visa-scamming poojeet-centric hiring ordained by kikes
