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>>543963366>bigger scamThat's not even a big project even if you call it a total scam. The California High Speed Rail is easily the "biggest" and is obviously a scam.
>>543963366I don't know shit about that but if it's carried even a single technician on a test run it's more functional mass transit than cali hsr is to this day EIGHTEEN YEARS after authorization.
>>543963366>>543963477It's crazy how Musk got away with that. It was completely memory holed.
>>543963477High speed rail isnt inherently a scam despite the poor execution unc. The loop isn’t even a form of mass transit. It doesnt even justify its existence.
>>543963505Dear unc. HSR is a real form of transportation. Please leave you boomer politics out of this discussion.
>>543963410Lol. Maybe this because the monorail was designed to break down. But a monorail would actually be a valid form of mass transit.
>>543963574>is a real form of transportation.To be transportation you need something people can sit or stand in and they have to move from one terminal to another. Cali hsr in 20 years has neither and is like 40 billion in the hole or something. Surely there's no bigger scam than that. At least I haven't heard of one.
>>543963366>>543963410LA to Vegas high speed rail has been two weeks away for like 20 years.>>543963544>High speed rail isnt inherently a scam But the LA to Vegas project is. Elon's a massive grifter, but at least he dug some shitty tunnels and has something to show off.
>>543963366what a joke!
>>543963544the CSHSR project is a scam and always was. High speed rail is not but there is no evidence that CSHSR ever intended to build any.
>>543963366This is a cover storythe true purpose of the boring company is to make tunnels and underground complexes for the elite
>>543963651I'm sympathetic to LA High speed rail project issues because I know the geography. Los Angeles is a really difficult site to get trains into the actual City. The only way to do it right, and what the Chinks or even Eurofags would do, is to build one of the world's most impressive rail tunnels through the Grapevine. Anything less will fail to deliver. THAT is infrastructure worth dumping $40 billion into but they're not doing it because your country is past it's sell-by date.
>>543963651>>543963620If a bunch of faggots in California embezzled all the funds that doesnt make the HSR a scam. HSR exists all over the world and it works. Thats like saying a house you wanted to build was a scam because you were retarded and a contractor and your wife’s boyfriend stole all the funds. That doesnt make houses a scam. Or people that want to buy houses stupid, it just makes you stupid.
>>543963789Yeah but why did you pivot to trying to make this about HSR as a category of transit infrastructure. Are you saying tunnels are bullshit scams then? Or are we talking about specific implementations of the construction principles?Am I being trolled right now? Is this an anti-railfag thread you're trying to get ginned up or something?
>>543963749Sort of. The true purpose was to prove the viability of the boring machines they designed. They're useful for all kinds of projects and much smaller, more mobile, and cheaper than the ones usually used for subways and shit. Musk is a military contractor keep in mind.The actual vegas tunnels aren't bad at all it's just not serious people-mover by volume. It can serve as a framework for a future underground system in LV though. I don't think it's a waste and it didn't cost all that much because digging the tunnels isn't the expensive part it's filling them in with the train infrastructure (and digging out each underground stations).
>>543963828Tiny one lane tunnels are a scam you faggot. Name any other country that has made 12.5 meter tunnels.
>>543963898>Name any other country that has made 12.5 meter tunnels.It's that literally what london's subway system is specced at? I think I am being trolled.
>>543963789You have to understand that California libtards concocted a bullshit HSR cover story to graft tens of billions of dollars. It bears no resemblance to actual HSR projects. It would have already been finished if it were. The tragedy is that it would be a great, landmark transportation project with huge benefits. It's also impossible because California is full of retards and assholes now.
>>54396389812 foot* not 12 meter lol
>>54396391512 feet.
>>543963366A tunnel like that would turn into hell so easily. All it would take is 3+ cars, with the front car breaking down. You can't go forward or turn around. Backing up would rely on everyone behind you backing up as well. Now, imagine the front car was an EV that caught on fire.
>>543963950yeah I just double checked, the london underground tunnels have diameters just larger than 10ft.
>>543963898>a scamThe thing about the LV tunnels Musk's company built is that you can enter a building right now, go downstairs, and take a ride to a site a couple miles away fully underground, then emerge through the exits there. In that respect it's not a scam at all because it delivered a working transportation project.
>>543963973The Tube is remarkably small. The trains are purpose built and very small with low ceilings and take up nearly the entire tunnel space. It's not that different from the Vegas tunnels if they drilled two side-by-side. The difference is building tracks and signalling and all of that, which LV didn't do.
>>543963789You are absolutely retarded
>>543963973For roads you kike
>>543963410Is there a chance the track could bend?
>>543963544The high speed rail cost tax payers over $9 BILLION, the Vegas loop only used $50m of taxpayer money
>>543964096Not on my life my Hindu Friend!
>>543964149>$9 Billionsweet summer child
>>543964069>argue so incoherently you can't even keep your position straight>y-you're a kike!you're a fuckin sperg lol. You are making me want to look more into what musk's little project is upto and actually does though. Thanks for that.
>>543964149The loop was a retarded plan from its very conception unc
>>543963366The underground railroad.
>>543964186Im not American. Im actually thrilled that musk is grifting you btw. I hope you build his retard tunnels all over you country because you don’t deserve nice things.
>>543963651Is the LA high speed rail still alive even?
>>543964239The "LA" to Vegas line was being built by Brightline and their Florida train just went out of business so don't bet on it. It also wasn't going to Los Angeles itself - that was part of a planned phase 2 that would tie into the CSHSR (ie never). It's much easier to build a rail from Vegas to San Bernadino but last mile issues make it a waste of time.The only way to build high speed rail in California is to sack up and do serious engineering and anger some NIMBY's. That's never going to happen and never was going to happen. The entire project was a Democrat political grift from the start. They wanted to get funded to do a ton of studies, throw some graft to their consulting friends, skim fees for sitting on committees, and probably appropriate some valuable real estate.
>>543964238>Im not American.Yeah we can tell. Your specific flavor of obstinate retardation smells like german, maybe belgian. Am I close?
>>543963366>Name a bigger scam in “mass transportation” history.That $126 Billion California railroad that only built three miles of track in bum fuck nowhere.https://nypost.com/2026/04/06/us-news/californias-125-billion-high-speed-train-to-nowhere-laid-bare-in-60-minutes-report/
>>543964318So you like Musk I take it? I really hope your city funds one of his tunnels and they raise your property taxes.
>>543964375Im happy that you will never have HSR because Americans don’t deserve nice things. My contention is that HSR isn't a scam despite Americans being too stupid to implement it. Trains that move fast do exist and they do transport massive numbers of people. The Las Vegas loop was sold as a mass transit system but anyone that could do basic multiplication would have realized this thing can only move 500 people per hour under ideal conditions.
>>543963605monorails were never designed to break down
>>543964382>somehow he's getting even madderI'll take that as a yes on my speculation of your nationality lol.
>>543964479Lol.
The hsr is dead because they couldnt get votes without including a bunch of stops for shitty red cities full of beaners. They could have just built it next to the 5
>You can't just tunnel extra paths for traffic, because...BECAUSE YOU JUST CANT! OK?
>>543964553Jfc I hate you
>literally an underground tunnel >>543963512kek now he's on to AI (or SI now) data centers in space.
>>543963544All the high speed rail the leftoids love to rave about in china doesn't even get used. No one fucking uses it because it's more expensive than the slower train. That's it. All the chinese just do whatever is cheapest.
>>543963726Spending billions but why?Oh it turns out the freight operators don't want to move their lines so they have to build huge wtf bridges rather than altering the freight line slightly (which can be done while the lines fucking operate)Kikes at it again.
>>543963512lol. didn't he sell it to some other billionaire?
>>543963789>that doesnt make the HSR a scam. >HSR exists all over the world and it worksI never said that it was a scam or didn't work. Because of how clear I was previously, I'm now convinced that you're purposely misinterpreting what I said.
Elon was shilling the "hyperloop" so long ago people forgot the word hyperloop
>>543964853Dubai took partial ownership so they can do a pump and dump when the company goes public. >>543964886I hope you buy shares of the boring company when it IPOs.
>>543963410Monorails put Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook on the map, by gum.
>>543964671I heard all their high speed rail was made of corn cobs and it collapsed 2 weeks ago when the country collapsed.
>>543964976I called Elon a grifter in my very first post in this thread. You're obviously being obtuse on purpose, and I'm done engaging with you.
>>543965089Wait a second. I want to tell you something
>>543965089Is it true the loop has color changing light strips inside?
>>543963832> They're useful for all kinds of projects and much smaller, more mobile, and cheaper than the ones usually used for subways and shit. Musk is a military contractor keep in mind.Musk and the deep state that is using Musk as their PR instrument are already thinking about building an human colony on Mars. Due to radiation and the lack of a viable atmosphere, it will have to be built by robots completely underground before humans will be allowed to establish there permanently
>>543963410I hear those things are awfully loud.
>>543963366Elon is a proven Genius. You'll understand when you're older, kid
>>543963544>High speed rail isnt inherently a scamHigh speed railway going to middle of nowhere Bakersfield to middle of nowhere merced, where traffic and demand is literally nonexistent. >but but but we're going to connect San Francisco and Los Angeles...Do you have any idea how expensive land from Santa Clara, San Mateo, San Francisco counties is? The amount of legal challenges they'll face from expropriating lands?
>>543963366This "scam" reminds me of Project Azorian, basically the US government made up a whole bunch of bullshit about 'manganese nodules' at the bottom of the ocean, so much so that it ended up in text books that somehow howard hughes was the only person crazy enough to want to mine and the whole thing was a front for recovering a sunk russian sub.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_AzorianTheres no way any other person could just get all the permits and what not required to just get permission and funding to dig a bunch of tunnels with almost no oversight and everyone think its for public transport, the whole concept is absurd and im positive its just a glowie front.
>>543963574Yeah fellow young person you sure showed him how groovy and with it you are cowabunga dude.
>>543963574HSR is a scam and always has been since day one, unchundreds of billions spent on it and not a single person has ever ridden on HSRit is 100% a scam intended to siphon tax payer money
>>543964452>>543964305>>543963916>musk derangement syndrome tr00n gets btfo>still cries about Musk ignoring 9000 bigger scamsTake the L and close the tab you thirdie retard, we dont care about your Musk trauma.
>>543966075>Do you have any idea how expensive land from Santa Clara, San Mateo, San Francisco counties is? The amount of legal challenges they'll face from expropriating lands?Schwebebahn!!!
>>543963366Solar FREAKIN' Roadways
>>543967397what makes me sad about solar roadwaysis that they're such a bad idea that it makes similar good ideas seem bad by proximity.for example, solar waterways.>huh?you can cover waterways like the la river in solar panels to prevent evaporation and get solar powerand no one drives over them to ruin them.it's a good idea, and it's gets no traction because of how bad solar roadways were...
>>543963366Tesla can't even make autonomous cars that work in a small, flat, closed circuit loop with lights
