Is there morality without religion?If so where does it come from?
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Um, it's called being a decent human being.If you need g-d to tell you not to RAPE and, oh don't know, kill trans folk? Then maybe that says more about you than it does about us?
>>544002396Immanuel Kant proved you don't need an existential authority to have an objective framework of morality with his Categorical Imperative
>>544002396Religion gave us human sacrifice and "more wealth = better person" as an ideal worth killing for.
>>544002396>>544002501>crusty twitter screenshots>>544002547tpbp
>>544002396Yeah, it's called basic human empathy.
>>544002396if you need a jewish religion to tell you how to be a good goy imagine how much evil you could've prevented by not listening to jews so it comes from yourself
Prove that any of these people are athiests
>>544002501>>544002396Both of these are not actually a lack of God. It is a rejection of him and them embracing other teachings. Both of those groups "tree of life is upside down" and what you believe to be good. They consider evil and vice versa.
>>544002396Darwinism is effectively moral. We are social animals and try to get along, benefiting ourselves as individuals and as members of groups.
>>544002769They are not.
>>544002892Darwinism is functionally ambivalent with a side of he only pushed it as far as he could without being prosecuted for heresy at the time. The problem with blind faith in "the science" is that most "scientific review" is corrupt as shit now and has been for quite some time. When people stopped living on faith the people who want to be in charge had to corrupt every other institution as well. Including "the science". Which is now more subject to political needs and correctness than the pursuit of objective truth.
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>>544002396Yes. From intellect and genetics
>>544002396Well, there has to be. How else can you look at religion and decide it's moral, if you didn't already have some idea of right and wrong?
>>544002396imagine feeling pride in being such a primitive savage that you require the metaphisical carrot & sitck of heaven and hell to tempt & threaten you into behaving as a respectable & productive person who won't bring shame & strife on his family & community
>>544002547Sounds like a massive cope.
>>544002396>Is there morality without religion?Yes. Religion gets it morality from man. Man doesn't get it from religion. >If so where does it come from?It's a consequence of man being highly evolved social animals. Most social animals have an instinct to preserve group cohesion. Morality is just these instincts amplified, analyzed, and given a name.
>>544003760Your post sounds like massive christcope
>>544002396Morality can come from some men intrinsically without gods, but the vast majority are usually gibbering hylics who tend to confuse selfish pleasure and fear of each other as virtue. Religions are meant to keep those people in check. It's also why pure democracy cannot work with the human species as it is now.
>>544002535In India they have these people called Hijira. They are like in-between man and women. They come to your house and do weird shows begging for money. They hurt kids, play with snakes, show their mixed genitals etc. It's repulsive but somehow it's like a blessing to give them money and let them repulse you. That is what a tranny is to a normal person it's repulsive. But if you can't tell, for some reason, like I live in Japan and they have catgirls who might not all be female, it's not repulsive.. because you don't know.
>>544003865A god is required for an objective morality to exist. Everything else is cope.
>>544004148>objective moralityObjective morality doesn't exist, retard. It is a product of the human mind, so it's subjective by definition. That's why every culture has different standards. In the Bible, God does and commands all kinds of things people now consider immoral.
>>544004355>Objective morality doesn't existThat's almost like what I was saying you faggot.
The church and state should be separate, but not like this.The state should not be retarded, otherwise it might as well be religious.
>>544002396What is morality is a world with only 1 person in it?
>>544004526>the church and state should be separateThis entire thing started from the fact that your ancestors want free sex.
>>544004148Immanuel Kant already proved that idea wrong
>>544002547Modernity demostrates Kant was a fag.
>>544002862Yes, as the goodest goy you have their Plan B covered in case the Zionist agenda doesn't work. Excuse their behavior by saying that it wasn't Jews and the true Jews are good evangelical Americans or something. Fucking moron.
>>544004148morality has utility as a social animalethics vary across cultures, morality varies across individuals for every given situation, for every given individual, there is an ideal morality - the application thereof in that specific moment and all of its surrounding circumstances yielding the best possible outcomeif one could view the world through this lens, knowing which morality would yield the optimal amount of utility and applying it, the delineation between subjective and objective morality would disappearthe distinction between a fixed morality with manifold conditionals and caveats, and a system comprised of multiple distinct moralities to be applied in multiple distinct situations, is simply one of perspective - they are indeed the same
>>544003695What defines which things bring shame to own families?
>>544004632Explain yourself then.
>>544002396>2pbtid>An hour agoYou can tell OP is really passionate about this topic, and it is not at all bait
>>544004890>"Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law." Before you act, ask yourself: What if everyone did this? If a world where everyone acted on your rule destroys itself or becomes impossible (like universal lying destroying the meaning of truth), the action is immoral.
>>544002396Kantian moral ethics provides a deontological ethical framework that doesn't depend on the existence of God or religion. However, the atheists, trannies and other degenerates claiming to not need God to have good morals are even further away from the categorical imperative or Kant's pure practical reason than they are from Christian morality. The Christian God forgives sins for those who repent and accept Jesus Christ as their lord and savior. Kant is basically the Golden Rule on turboautism to the point where you have a moral duty to tell the truth to a murderer looking for their next victim.
>>544002396Explain to me without appealing to christcuckery why porn for kids is bad? What is objectively wrong with children seeing a penis going in a vagina? Seeing a woman orgasm and squirt? What harm would this do to kids?
>>544005202>However, the atheists, trannies and other degenerates claiming to not need God to have good morals are even further away from the categorical imperative or Kant's pure practical reason than they are from Christian moralityThe existence and promotion of those degenerates behavior debunk kant.Simple as
>>544005034That is not objective morality lol.
Even if you have no god or anything about yourself you honor or worship. Truly believe you will be black nothing after death. Then why is it so rare for that person to simply try and be reasonable and good to others for the sake of even direct give and get in this lifetime? Everyone I met who believed or sometimes even hoped of a big ol' nothing to come. They always turned out to be big pieces of shit. I honestly am not Christian. Jewish. Muslim or whatever but the fact idk. Something could be. Or couldn't be, both. Makes me already think hmmm maybe not act like an unforgiving piece of shit. Can only imagine that magnifies if I did worship. Quick version: probably not 100% proves lack of morality non believe just a high likeliness of indication that someone is a piece of shit
>>544002396Does the average atheist seem moral?
>>544005326Bro you don't understand the brain develops the criticality of understanding pp in vagine gud at 18
>>544004549A challenge run?
>>544005648It is infinitely more objective morality than the completely subjective morality found in religious texts based on the whims of the various authors writing it and not pure logic
>>544004148what even is the purpose of the adjective "objective" here other than claim there is a bigger, more powerful and more punitive afterlife panoptikon ready to punish you?if you have freewill, you can still violate those precepts, it's just a matter of whether you believe said objective punishment comes and how, no different in form from being aware of earthly law, law enforcers and punishments but merely in scale/scope
>>544005416>The existence and promotion of those degenerates behavior debunk kant.Absolutely not. Are you retarded?The fact that immoral people exists does not debunk Kant or anything he said about morals, it just shows that those people are immoral according to Kant's moral framework.They don't debunk Kant any more than the existence of murderers debunks laws making murder a crime.
>>544006454You don't understand. What counts is how the morality is perceived in the normie mind.
>>544002396>only god can judge me
>>544006527>what even is the purpose of the adjective "objective" hereI don't know, social order? You can dodge the law, but you can't dodge a god. It's super effective.
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>>544007152that's what I thought and predicted already in my post, it's about utility and scale of the punishment system, nothing else really in terms of substance; again, human law systems are also "objective" in the sense that a criminal can reasonably expect that to action X follows consequence Y, you objective morality is simply scaled into a dimension that makes the consequences more catastrophic(e.g soul tortured in niggerhell for 6 gorillion niggayears) and less escapeable, but not different in nature insofar as being just threat+punishment systems
>>544006928No it doesn't. That's like saying math only matters insofar as dimwits can comprehend it.
>>544007375>but not different in nature insofar as being just threat+punishment systemsExcept it's inescapeable. Depends on the religion though. It also has an authority to claim that you are inherently wrong. You can't question it.
>>544007416Well morality is about utilitarianism anyway.
>conversing with heretics, apostates and jewsKEK
>>544002396>god told me to kill my family
>killing my wife and 6 children (including the adopted one who i was banging) is totally biblical
remember 20 years ago when there weren't JW street preachers on fucking 4chan?
>>544002396Is having children mauled by bears for making fun of a bald guy moral?
