Everyone knows they are losing and on the verge of societal collapse. Already there is a civil war between intelligence agencies within the Ukrainian government.When exactly did things go wrong?
Vatnigger projection thread.Cool.
>>544016022When Republikikes took over Congress.
>>544016022>When exactly did things start to go wrong for Ukraine?2014 maidan coup?
>>544016090was just posting this
>>544016069>no responseYou lost, troony>>544016082The US is still Ukraine’s top supplier. This is an American proxy conflict after all>>544016090Agreed, but I’m asking about events after 2014
>>544016166or maybe 2008 obama visit in donbass
>>544016194all the big signs came pre maidanthe plan to have them join nato really starts in the 2000s
>>544016194ukraine shouldnt have bothered with attacking eastern ukraine.that whole civil war was retarded.
>>544016408>>544016451Ok but the globohomo stuff wasn’t a given. There were still big factions within the Ukrainian state that wanted closer relations with Russia, even after 2014So what happened?
>>544016022Everyone recognizes your Panama flag and knows you are some tryhard retard about this and literally are not worth talking to. Some part of your ego is deeply tied to this conflict and you treat it as some parasocial life of death importance matter that Russia wins. My honest take is neither side will have some sudden collapse literally unless Putin keels over which is possible but not very likely within the next couple years. But if all full retard scenarios progress, he literally will not live long enough to see it through if literally nobody stops him for several decades and the Russians prove to be the most servile and fucked people alive. Russian progress is slower and costlier than ever and they are expending 150+ men per sq km right now. You know how many square km there are between the current eastern lines and Kyiv? They’d have to carve an area like 150,000 km in area to get there by force the way they fight now. That requires over 22 million casualties at the current rates. Every single man between 18-30 would be wounded or killed and quite a few of the mobilization age range would be gone too. Russia would suffer actual population collapse from running out of men before they take Kyiv the way they fight now. I find it unlikely that their population would tolerate literally having all young men sacrificed to take Ukraine. Not to mention the time lines. It would take between 90-300 years at the current pace they are fighting to take the entire country. Putin will not last that long. The math is in fact not on Russia’s side fucking whatsoever.
>>544016022I feel bad for them. They were used by the kikes in america to trigger a war they knew they would lose in a gambit to bog down russia for a decade. They fought bravely desu and I think better than any modern western country could without immediately cucking.
>>544016637That’s a whole lot of fucking text and seethe just to say you know jack shit about the conflict. Fuck off
when they didnt lynch zelensky and surrender
>>544016725You have zero rebuttal from, you are staking your ego on this but everyone sees you here every day pathetically shilling for Russia for years. You think you “know” shit but probably are at a loss to explain why Kyiv is still there after the 500th “they are about to collapse in the next two weeks” post over the last five years. Keep projecting your own cope. Find something better to do with your life.
>>544016834You just know some obese acne ridden slob posted this I live rent free in your head
>>544016725Speaking of knowing jack shit, how’s it going at the front, turdie?
>>544017013>Ukraine is winning in imaginary maps!I wiped the floor with you last time, remember?
>>544016022>When they murdered St. Olga's son>When Gorbachev realized he could balance the USSR's budget by giving up half of Europe just to get rid of Ukraine>2014 coup>Zelenski installed>All the young single women flee the country as soon as the war starts
>>5440161962005 When glowies pushed Timoshenko in pm seat.
>>544017127>nuh uh I’m rightIs this the power of fecaloid delusion?
when boris johnson says to kike: fuck peace n shit, fight to the last hohol
>>544016022When boris derailed the istanbul talks.
>>544016022>When exactly did things go wrong?In 2000 when Putin came to power. Since then all relations with Russia slowly but steady became worse and worse. This maniac was obsessed of having control over Ukraine all this time. Actually, it came wrong for both: Ukraine and Russia.
>>544016022>wishful thinking: ze threadimagine paying for 4chan pass in order to post from a vpn. can't be me.
>>5440160221990s
>>544018917The fact is that western Ukrainians took control over your country and are now on TSK while central and eastern Ukrainians are the meat stick to hit Russia with. Western Ukraine is a problematic region, always was, the reason is the same as in Nagorno Karabakh, soviets to create interdepence between the SSRs drew border lines where people who hate eachother rule over one another and to add insult to injury theres the fact that Ukraine always had a jew problem since the times of Oleg of Novgorod.Between Polish raids in the north-west, Gypsies and jews in the south-west and Turks in the south, Ukraine has always been a problematic place past the western margin of the Dnepr. This is written on many historical accounts from fiction like Taras Bulba to even historical literature about Nestor Makhno or UPA. These people can't have any power they always shed blood and ruin the country and this happens periodically for +1000 years.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3hXNIxl7kY
>>544016090pretty much/thread
When Stalin took Galicia from Poland and gave it to Ukraine unironically.Galicians should have always been kept as a Polish problem.
>>5440160221992
>>544019290> western Ukrainians took control> central and eastern Ukrainians are the meat stickJust not true. Especially considering from which region Zelensy is and which region gave him the least of votes.All those bullshitting on western Ukraine also became a thing since Putin. He just applied the strategy of divide and conquer - western Ukraine vs eastern Ukraine is literally Putin's Russia narrative.
>>544016022When they elected a Jew
>>544016022How many refineries Russia still has left?
>>544016082When Kamala Harris visited Zelensky in Munich.
>>544016022If Russia was winning your daily cope threads would be unnecessary.
>>544019625> zeleYou know full well he is puppet. Please you're not talking to an american who can't point Кpивoй Poг on a map.> putin narrativeI was born in Poltava and lived in Obolon before leaving. Where were you born? Any normal person knows this is just bullshit. >>544019654You do realize it takes about 2 weeks to rebuild the refineries right? Ukraine is using drones with less than 90k of explosives and refineries are fucking massive structures of reinforced concrete and steel.
>>544016090Things weren't good for them even before that. Of all the post-Soviet countries they went through this transition perhaps worse than any other, and they still haven't fully completed privatization, they're like on the third round of revising decisions.
>>544016022dominican monke still at it for some reason after all these years
>>544016637that is assuming the numbers stay the sameif some physics law fixes the 150 per square whatever in placeit doesn't work like thatthe stick is strongest before it snapsdamn u intentionally retarded man
>>544016022Ukraine launched counteroffensives it could not sustain, suffered from corruption, wasted valuable men and resources... but the biggest mistake was political. They failed to motivate people to fight for them.>tl;dr they zigged when they should have zagged
>>544016022In 17th century when after Treaty of Hadiach where Ukraine was given full rights in Commonwealth as a third party they decided to fuck it all and ally themselves with Russia for more. And Russia, as Russia does, fucked them over profoundly.
>>544019846Same thing would have happened in Russia if not for the Siloviki concentrating power early in the late 80s. Ukraine was more decentralized, Odessa mafia, jews... they were always a problem meanwhile in Russia they died.
>>544019956You don't really believe modern Ukrainians are the same people as the 17th century Cossacks do you?
>>544019956back then they were russian kurwecki
>>544019815Your pic is literally pro-russian propaganda for Yanukovich. Who was baked by Medvedchuk during Kuchma's second term. And Medvedcuk is closely tied wit Putin himself. You just proving my thesis about Putin's divide and conquer strategy.
>>544019995Well they are not because after they allied themselves with Russia the Cossacs were disbanded and eradicated by Russia. This is exaclty what I am talking about.>>544020004Bakc then Chmielnicki who fought for Ukrainian independence was Polish Noble.Stop using russian propaganda books for history lessons.
>>544020080>eradicatedthis is a lie and I think that you know it very well, you seem familiar with the subject
>>544020059The pic is just a visual representation of reality. Are you going to to say the "say palianitsa" bullshit never existed? Please anon, this isn't twitter, you can be for real. It's a civil war, fratricide plain and simple.
>>544019978True enough, but that's only part of the problem. There was also the rise of Ukrainian nationalism and the shift toward an agrarian economy in the early 2000s which makes them a rather unique case. Even if someone was able to gain complete control of the government and eliminate all rivals they would still have to deal with rural populations and western cargo cult which essentially made up the majority of central and western Ukraine. Looking back on it, it really does become clear that this whole conflict was inevitable.
>>544020080the people were russian thothat's why they 'sided with' russiabc they were the rusthis wouldn't be surprising for you if you weren't brainwashed by hohol propaganda
>>544020106Oh so we are now going to go into semantics on mongolian basket weaving imageboard? Fuck off.
>>544020121>The pic is just a visual representation of reality.Of what reality? Those pic was literally against Yanukovich's opponents. Because they were unable to make any other argument for why else you should vote for him. It was only "just look at his opponents - they want just to divide Ukraine, therefore vote for Yanukovich". Or even more stupid bullshit like - "If you don't vote for him Russia will not gave us cheap gas". For the fucks sake, Putin himself went to Ukraine to agitate for Yanukovich.
>>544020209They weren't Russian. They were Orthodox christians you fucking retarded Ivan who ran away from conscription to Kazakhstan.Are Greeks who are also Orthodox Christians Russians too?Ukrainian to this day is closer related to Polish than to Russian gramatically and semantically. The only thing that makes it closer to russians in the mind of uneducated retards who should just shut the fuck up about things they have zero knowledge about is use of cyrylic alphabet. This is how russian Ukrainains were.
>>544020191I wouldn't say it was inevitable but for sure it was hard to avoid. I hope one day I'll return to Poltava, I came here when I was still a kid but I remember a few things, certain smells, sounds.. It's just fucking sad man. Even if the war was over today whatever is left of Ukraine will prob balkanize if it doesn't turn into outright warlordism, most of the commanders of Tornado, Azog, AIDSdar and such will have to get the fuck out of the country real fast when the war is over they will be killed pretty fast just like the entire old leadership of Pravyi Sektor was killed.> pic very related
>>544020266>semanticsthis is not just a case of semantics anon, this is the difference between being eradicated and being absorbed into the fucking nobility, it is like the difference between murder and extortion
>>544016022>When exactly did things go wrong?Muttmericans, specifically republicans are at fault. Hereis testimony of french diplomat. But it was Old France, not its tightly under Rothschild control."Maurice Gourdault-Montagne, former Secretary-General of the French Foreign Ministry and an advisor to President Jacques Chirac from 2002 to 2007, spoke on Europe 1 radio about how European governments had long recognized the gravity of the Ukrainian issue. In 2006, at Chirac’s behest, he met in Moscow with Russian Presidential Aide Sergei Prikhodko and proposed a plan for a joint Russia-NATO protectorate over Ukraine to guarantee the country's neutral status. Russia showed interest in the proposal, as it resolved the issues surrounding Crimea and the Russian fleet. Chirac also liked the plan and instructed Gourdault-Montagne to discuss it with the United States. He subsequently met with Condoleezza Rice and presented the proposal to her. Gourdault-Montagne recalls her words as follows: "France is really overstepping. You already blocked the first wave of Central European countries joining NATO for years. We aren't going to let you block the second."‼ "From this, we understood that the Americans' ultimate goal was Ukraine's accession to NATO," said Maurice Gourdault-Montagne."videohttps://files.catbox.moe/idfco2.mp4
>>544020322no you're wrongukrainian language is basically russian with polish and turkic loanwordsit's as if someone was a russian speaker but then adopted some foreign lexiconthe syntax is completely russian
>>544020321Of the reality that people like me were treated as second class citizens because of some nigger tier western cargo cult or just plain mizanthrophy no wonder my family fucked off to the anus of the 3rd world. If you can't recognize that the AFU behaved like literal niggers since Pirdorashenko's ATO then you are just a propagandist... did you think Donbass would just take it in the ass eternally and not take up arms? Preposterous.
>>544020322and you know this >>544020404and you know that I knowthey were also the kievan rus before they moved east to colonise moscow and shitthey were the russiansone and the same
>>544016022>When exactly did things go wrong?December the 5th, 1994.
>>544020473> one in the sameAnd Kievan Rus was founded by Oleg of Novgorod. We are the same people, this is what makes this war even more nigger tier. Fratricide.
>>544020414>Of the reality that people like me were treated as second class citizensWht kind of "people like you"? What happened to you in Ukraine?
>>544020343vid link>>>/wsg/6249217
>>544016022
>>544020615I left Ukraine when I was a kid, but I saw what the AFU was doing in the Donbass your hooligans killing and selling children and personally a close friend of mine that I grew up with was killed by Aidsdar. Stabbed in the belly because some hooligan called him a katsap.
>>544020404Ukrainians is much more similar to polish than Russian, dumbfuck
>>544020766Good. Russians should live inside Russia not outside it. Your friend deserved it.
>>544020801He was born in Ukraine. Don't you have some copper to steal Kalderashi?
>>5440160221991
>>544020816He was born in Ukraine but his father was born in Russia. All Russians living in former soviet republics have to go back home.
>>544020878No, both parents were born in Ukraine, eastern Ukraine.> flagMandatoryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwgKcz0K_2c
just fyi posts by any faggot retard tranny kike supporting whateverthefuck the epstein regime tells them to is either a shill (using memes and talking points they think will sway the niche audience, like claiming piggers are actually fighting for the white race or some bullshit), or a retard (their talking points would be about protecting ukrainian territory while placing all the blame on putin and ignoring all the events and factors leading up to it and during the initial negotiations at the start of the war to return to ante bellum)./pol/ used to be WAY better at pointing out shills but things have gone way downhill here.t. oldfig
>>544020908We won’t have peach on earth until all Russians and Jews are genocide.Kill yourself maggotTRD
>>544020878>All Russians living in former soviet republics have to go back homeBehavior like this is what caused millions of hohols liquidated and turned into fertilizer and dozens of millions fleeing in fear of inevitable russian vengeance.But some niggers just genetically incapable of learning.
You don't give Russia time, you either hit Russia hard and fast or go home, but never give them time. This summer Russia has introduced several new types of weapons, fully shifted their economy to war footing and basically Ukraine is fucked now because the Russian warmachine is in full swing.
>>544020984You are a gypsy, liteal dalits from India. Any normal person wouldn't piss on you even if your hair was on fire.
>>544021047Russia is holding over 80% of what they have in reserve bc they expect NATO to send your army in to replace Ukraine. It's up to you to not be the next meat stick to hit Russia with. The Alabuga combine alone make over 500 gerans per shift and it's working 24/7 imagine what Russia can produce in China.. shit, Iran who has a fraction of the Russian capacity is able to out produce the USA and send enough missiled and drones to deny them liberty of movement. With drones and satelites it's literal suicide to go to war today. Fuck that, go find a woman, have white kids and die of old age.
>>544020997>But some niggers just genetically incapable of learning.You will understand at some point that it's you. First, many more of you will die.
>>544021047The wunderwaffe will save Russia?
>>544020766Cool story dude. You've just told you were born in Poltava and Lived in Kyiv's Obolon. And somehow as a kid you saw what AFU doing in Donbass.
>>544016022Although 14 coup is probably the correct answer. It was fucked since the collapse of the Russian empire, when western warlords put local mongrel national-larpers in power, and Ukrainian identity officially became a death cult that was consistently reinforced by the Bolsheviks and the Russian gov inaction since 1991. Hohols have basically proven that they are incapable of having their own statehood
>>544016022When Trump got elected, obviously.
>>544020322Does anybody in Ukraine even speak Ukrainian in day to day life? My missues is Baltic, but she can speak Russian and Polish on top of her Baltspeak. She says every time she watched Ukrainian media, Ukrainian shows etc, it's all in Russian, if you watch Ukrainian game shows, it's Russian, if you watch Ukrainian vox pops, Russian. Every time she sees Ukrainians here in London, they're speaking Russian, she says even when you see Ukrainian speakers actually talking among themselves, they're speaking in Russian.There is that polling chart that claims "Most Ukrainians speak Ukrainian" but I don't think it should really be trusted, because there was also a recent study from a few months back that found that like 80% of people in Kiev, Odessa, Kharkiv etc to this day, are speaking Russian in actual day to day life.
>>544016637>Russian progress is slower and costlier than ever and they are expending 150+ men per sq km right now. You know how many square km there are between the current eastern lines and Kyiv? They’d have to carve an area like 150,000 km in area to get there by force the way they fight now. That requires over 22 million casualties at the current rates.That's assuming no casualties for UKRAINE...?Extremely dishonest post... there are less MALES IN UKRAINE OF ANY AGE.No. If eu doesn't want Ukraine becoming Russia they will either fight, or clear the Jews out of Ukraine and simply negotiate
>>544016022It's simple really, Russia wasn't playing dirty for the entire duration of the war until jewkraine gave them a good justification to hit back
>>544021393Hahaha They'll be speaking Yiddish in 3 years
>>544021082When the Russian red army came to Romania all of you were collaborating with gypsies and looting Romanian villages side by side with gypsies. I personally know a girl who is a gypsy-Russian mix because you lot just couldn’t stop yourself from having sex with these Dalits.Like I said maggot, kill yourself today and spare us the effort tomorrow.
>>544020414>treated as second class citizensAnd WHEN was that exactly?During the whole of two weeks between the CIA topping the pro-Russian government that treated Ukrainians as 2nd class citizens for decades and the outbreak of the Russian backed civil war?
>>544019290The argument that Ischenko says, is it's not really east vs west, it's Western aligned professional class Ukrainians who have adopted a galician ukrainian identity as a forward thinking, cosmopolitian central european thing vs Working Class, Industrial etc "Sovok" Ukrainians, who still like Soviet movies, jerking off to Ukrainian Brezhnev etc want the Soviet welfare system back. Is this correct from your view point?
>>544016725You are brown and short
>>544021393>Does anybody in Ukraine even speak Ukrainian in day to day life?Yes there are people who speaking only Ukrainian and as their first language. Hovewer what you told about most of major Ukrainian cities is also true. Basically situation somehow reminds of what is like in Ireland, except there are still significant amount of people who speak Ukrainian. Something like Belarus would be much closer to Ireland where Belarusian is almost extinct.
>>544021507Interesting. I wonder why this LARP all through Western media and Reddit and such then that all Ukrainians only speak Russian and most Ukrainians can't even understand Russian. Honestly I can't tell the difference, my missus says Ukrainian and Belarusian sounds more "rural" like I guess Appalachian/Deep South to her ears and makes a funny "hue" sound for G.I guess media relies heavily on people not being able to tell Ukrainian/Russian apart to make such a claim.
>>544021690Ukrainians only speak Ukrainian*
>>544016022>When exactlyFebruary 2022.
>>544021184>Russia is holding over 80% of what they have in reserve bc they expect NATO to send your army in to replace UkraineYeah, but there is nuance. The shit is all burned out and is parked in some ukrainian field
>dominican republic proxyHIVan thread
>>544021690Russia has been the official language for decades.Russians tried to wipe out the Ukrainian language and culture during the Soviet time, even attempted genocide at one point.Of course they all speak Russian.
>>544016022>When exactly did things go wrong?2014.
>>544021690>that all Ukrainians only speak Russian and most Ukrainians can't even understand Russian>>544021698>Ukrainians only speak Ukrainian*All of Ukrainians do not speak Only Ukrainian. They understand both and able to speak both if needed. But usually people do not switch their language if one speak Ukrainian and another Russian.>Ukrainian and Belarusian sounds more "rural" like I guess Appalachian/Deep South to her ears and makes a funny "hue" sound for GYou know what? Something like Slovakian sounds very rural for those who speak Ukrainian as first language. And Polish and Belarussian usually sound very funny. I guess it is some thing for same language group languages.
>>544016082This.
>>544016022when they believed the jew (USA)I mean already out of USSR, could wait few years to naturally pass power to more democratic forcesbut had to get CIA involvedafter (((puppets))) installed you cannot longer say they did Ukrainian politics, just another zogbot, like that parasite fungi brain infected ants
I would say when they decided to kick out russians from crimea and to lease the military base to americans. This is sonething not acceptable for anyone in russia. Crimea, with zero ukrainians living there, was left to ikrainians to begin with only because they agreed to a military base there. That has been the red line and everything went downhill from that.
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