How do we resolve it?How do you resolve it?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer%27s_dilemma
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>>544069414Killing is justifiable. Molesting a child is not. Solved.
This is a typical leftist gotcha argument that ignores reality
>>544069414By reporting off-topic foidslop bait posts.
>>544069581Killing is sometimes justifiable Murder is not
>>544069414This is extremely talmudic postmodernist deconstruction shit meant to poison your mind.It's literally from Hitler's "arguing with jews" passage from Mein Kampf.>...quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters...The difference is some people need to be killed. There's no situation where kids need to be raped.
i think its really that shooting someone in GTA for example usually punishes the player with a 3 star wanted lever, raping children in games is usually a reward for the gaymer in that type of game? i guess
>>544069496i call it "the landing zone" heh heh...
>>544069414Easy, it is disgusting for normal people and pedos like it and theyre bad
>>544069414government mandated titty cow gfs
>>544069814Drink milk.
>>544069810Agreed. However, murder is also bad, and a lot of people are sadistic and enjoy depictions of it. My view is that BOTH are bad and should not be depicted.
>>544069414The true gamer's dilemma is swordguy or sneaky archer.
This is a false dilemma and comparing the two isn't useful. This is because they're totally omitting the ethical value of the context the violence happens in. Murder means illegal killing. But killing in videogames can happen in a moral sense, such as slaying an evil person, which depending on the context may be morally permissible or even legal. Sexual acts against children is something else, and I would say is always wrong because children aren't able to understand what is happening.
>>544069414whats this tards name again?
>>544069637>Killing is justifiable >Murder is notOk buddy.>>544069680You can tell it's some smarmy kike bullshit because they are attributing this to video games. Why? Why would depicting murder or child rape in a video game be any ethically different than depicting it in a movie or a book or a radio drama or a painting or on clay tablets written in Cuneiform? The answer is there isn't one and the whole framing of this question is to piss off young hetereo white males who are the chief enemy of the Jew.
>>544069637How strange that they left that distinction out of their argument. Why do you suppose that is?
>>544069414You can morally reject a behavior based on it being harmful and psychologically damaging to yourself rather than it causing harm to anyone else.Is wanking off to children in video games harmful to anyone else? No. Is it good for you? No.
>>544069414You're working on the mistaken basis that my viewpoints must be consistent. Welcome to Earth.
>>544069982Because murder is objectively wrong in all cases. Or at least right-minded people think so. And yet it’s common in video games.
>>544070138You didn't answer the question. I'll disambiguate.Why does the Gamer's Dilemna draw no distinction between killing and murder in a videogame?
I really thought I have seen and heard the most jewish things possible and yet here I am.Virtual sex acts with virtual children is cp which is fucking illegal.If saying nigger online is bad then virtually pulling an epstein is worse.First of all violence and killing isn't generally a mortal sin, only murder is. However there are no laws about killing virtual objects because they don't actually fucking die, they're never even alive to begin with. Death only applies to living beings, murder only applies to humans even if you kill someone's sheep you didn't commit murder you destroyed their property.In fact elevating a digital human to the same status as imago dei is obviously a violation of mosaic law. A drawing nor a painting and therefore not pixels possess imago dei.However, cp is considered extremely morally perverse therefore virtually simulating the acts of epstein is also morally perverse.The sin against the imago dei is the real crime. God kills but he doesn't rape children.This is why atheist trannies rape infants, because they're godless devils.Sex with adult women is natural therefore raping an adult video game character is completely fine.However all acts of unjust killing or rape are clearly sin against the self though not as perverse and you should seek to live a better and more ethical life. The way you treat simulated being implies your internal behave exactly because of it's stain/disfigurement on the imago dei regardless of wether or not it was real or not.While it does not involve grave matter which is why you don't need confession for a sex dream, it was a voluntary act of your will. It was a choice to do that.>TL;DRdenounce the talmud and stop being satanic.
>>544069414show tits
>>544069496today leaf was not a faggot
>>544070203>Why does the Gamer's Dilemna draw no distinction between killing and murder in a videogame?What the hell are you talking about? >The gamer's dilemma is an ethical paradox[1][2] in the position commonly held by video game players (gamers) that virtual acts of murder, but not virtual sexual acts depicting children, in video games are morally justified because they do not directly affect people in real life.>virtual acts of murderhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer%27s_dilemma
>>544069932Not just that but the bible is rather clear about this. jesus and his church forgive soldiers but they do not forgive pedophile rapists.
>>544070203did you even read the article?Gamers believe that virtual acts of murder, but not virtual sexual acts involving children, are morally permissible;virtual acts of MURDER, not killing.
Is anyone going to debunk it?
>>544070550>>544070667the dilemma draws comparisons wrongly twice, retards
>>544070734why are you throwing an emotional tantrum like a woman? Use logic for once.Why are you permitting virtual murder like a wicked person?
That "dilemma" formulation assumes that virtual murder and virtual sex have equal weight in terms of effect person's mind.Which is false, particularly for male gamers.Virtual murder translates into nothing in real life. You shoot some baddies and go about your day.Virtual sex translates into sexual arousal and most often into real life self-stimulation. This can lead to mental imprint over long time, where 'underage visual = dopamine and pleasure'.Males getting trained dopamine spikes around children irl, is not something you want happening.Solved.
>>544070734What are you even saying? It draws two comparisons. Now show how bad thing 1 is ok to be in video games and bad thing 2 isn’t.
>>544069414The issue here is that sexuality is flexible, and if you start raping kids in minecraft you might start thinking about doing it IRL. I'm not sure the part of being human that makes us kill comes from the same part of the brain, it's not as suggestible. Sex is different although I imagine suggestibility depends on the immersion level of the game too.
>>544069581What if the child will die if they don't get raped?
>>544070825>Virtual murder translates into nothing in real life. You shoot some baddies and go about your day.This is a lie, why do you permit murder like a wicked person?
>>544070825Thats straight out of ass and does not differentiate them in the slightest.
Remember when fallout 2 released europe removed the children in the game becuase they didnt want you to kill children. it was frustrating becuase they didnt remove the kids they just made them invisible which kids still pickpocketed you in the den. Does EU still hold the same stance?I know they had to change the nazi flags in bloodrayne and iirc they removed the nazi flags in the wolfenstein game.
>>544070842as if virtually murdering also doesn't feed into your same impulses?There are people looking forward to shooting up pride parades in GTA VI, this will feed their wicked, self-righteous hatred towards the LGBT since they cannot do it in real life.You fools do not understand how you are poisoning your minds with what content you consume.
>>544070842Seeing faggots everywhere made noone who isn’t a faggot into a faggot.
>>544070933>Yet there are so many more LGBT people now than decades before>Why is that?>It's not because they're consuming LGBT propaganda no siree!lol, lmao even.
>>544070920That is the opposite of poison but /pol/ isn’t ready for that one yet.
>>544071008It is jewish poison to twist man into the image of the Devil.A bitter, envious, resentful, ignorant, arrogant, and hateful being.
>>544070667What exactly is it that we're being asked to address?CP is illegal, even simulated and virtual depictions of it are illegal. It's probably the only form of media that's inherently illegal. It's a moot discussion because even if you thought it was acceptable, you'd have to engage in a whole series of immoral acts to create and publish such a game. If your asking if I can be held morally culpable for killing a virtual person in a video game, I would argue it is at worst a form of morose delectation and to whatever degree you engage with that it's sinful. >Huh?What I'm saying is it's probably unethical to kill people in video games if you're imagining doing it in real life and vicariously taking pleasure from it because you are imagining killing real people rather than merely enjoying the game mechanics. Like if you name a character after your school bully and spend and afternoon killing him, that is probably not ethical. I would argue it's a very minor kind of transgression.
>>544069414a game is a preparation for performing same activity irllook at kittens for examplesometimes in humans it takes more convoluted forms like football but thats besides the point
>>544069414said no one ever
>>544070845Then you should kill whoever wants the child to be raped
if governments outlaw simulation of violence who would they recruit to fight bad men overseas (and loot their resources)activision literally has cia and dod people working there
>>544070992There are a multitude of reasons. Being a faggotroon is normalized to the point that it’s celebrated, and so more reveal it. Society is generally kikeraped and the influx of faggotroons correlates. Also I’d like to point out that your response implies LGBTQ and people aren’t mutually exclusive.
>>544071064Ok so you admit you’re jewish?
>>544071341Since you're most likely an anti-Christian, it's actually you who's jewish.There is no difference between you anti-Christians and jews.
>>544071086The dilemma does not concern with the legality but why one would personally permit the instance in a game
>>544069496fpbp
>>544070028So performing genocide and wading through blood and bones and gore isn't psychologically damaging to you, but 16 year olds kissing is? Should we be concerned that you don't consider mass murder to weigh on your psychology, while simultaneously expressing that its normal for fictional media to affect your psyche otherwise?
>>544071451And yet you contort with tantrums while mentally twisting me, who opposes faggotry in absolution, into some “Devil”. You’re not Christian. I am.
>>544069414Not a child so I don't play games. All of you should grow up and have sex.
>>544070550that's a category error.you cannot murder something that is not alive.Genesis 9:6 specifically says human blood not computer code. It's all about imago dei, computers and numbers cannot possess this. A computer program is just a number of ones and zeros.If you really did virtually simulate the killing of a videogame character with REAL internal malice then you did something bad inside, you created a seed of anger which can fester and turn into mortal sin. Matthew 5:22 explains this well but it's been deeply mistranslated. Basically this is about hatred of imago dei. Jesus allows for us to be anger and even publicly insult people, he thinks these are issues of courts, like a public defamation is a legal issue not so much a spiritual one. So you can be mad at your brother and you can call him raca (dimwit). But if you hate a human and say a word to condemn their soul in your eyes the word being (nabal) you've committed murder in the heart. It's this very beautiful point about the distinction between flesh and soul. So first of all it's a complete category error to say you can murder a video game character it's completely impossible and nonsensical to say that. So even if you were playing minecraft and you killed your friend with lava and called him an idiot then you're not going to hell, but you're inviting the weeds of anger to sow hatred. When you hate imago dei you sinned greatly against god because men are idols of god. Actually even if you do say nabal but don't really mean it then it doesn't count either, it's why there is no proper translation except something like hatred. Nabal is a word which shows the permanent disfigurement in your soul because you let hatred carve roots within it.The sin of raping a video game character that is a child is a sin against yourself. It's far more perverse than anger and that's why it's a spiritual crime.Jesus forgives murder but not child rape. It's in the bible.
>pixels are better protected than real biological girlsWhat a time to be alive.
>>544071782It’s interesting that every single one of you go into great detail justifying the murder in videogames part and proceed to make no distinction to the entire other half of the question.
>>544069414>Gamers believe that virtual acts of murder, but not virtual sexual acts involving children, are morally permissible;False, flawed, and uninformed. "Gamers" is undefined. There are certainly people who believe that virtual acts of murder are not morally permisible and that sexual acts involving children are. People play games that contain sexual acts involving children. They are popular and fun.>Gamers believe that virtual acts of murder are permissible because no real person can be directly affected by them;Flawed. "Directly affected" is undefined. A real human is not murdered but there are other effects. Someone might feel satisfaction or cathartic pleasure. A child might be startled or scared by the act.>But virtual sexual acts involving children are also unable to directly affect any real child;Flawed. A real child is not harmed but a child who is exposed to the content might be negatively affected.>There is no other meaningful distinction to morally differentiate those two acts;Completely false. Sexual acts and murder are easy to differentiate even for a retard, virtualor not.>Therefore, in order to be consistent, gamers must either hold that virtual acts of murder are unjustified, or that virtual sexual acts involving children are justified.Comically false. Even if everything else was true it's easy to justify between virtual acts based on taste, personal morality, legality, etc.. Consistency is immaterial.
>>544072150Well it’s correct that rape isn’t as bad as murder but that wasn’t the question. It’s asking why you would allow one evil in a game for the same reason you would disallow another.
>>544072000I'm not justifying it in fact I specifically multiple times said it's a poor behavior similar to people who kill animals for pleasure. But that there is no such thing as murder in a video game. It's like how a drawing isn't real. Classic ceci n'est pas une pipe. You're confusing the video game for reality.
>>544072321Neither of them are real if you were to be consistent. Your argument doesn’t work, the claim isn’t that you murdered or raped, but that either equivalent act is depicted in a game. Where is the objective difference in doing so.
>>544069414Killing sometimes can be justified, molesting a child cannot. Simple as.
>>544072308>rape isn’t as bad as murderIncorrect. Many people would rather be murdered than raped and would ask for a harsher sentence for a rapist than a murderer. >why you would allow one evil in a game for the same reason you would disallow anotherIt's a false premise. There are plenty of people who don't allow murder of violence in games and there are also plenty of people who allow sexual violence against children in games. There is no evidence the same reason is used. Pretending the premise is true there would be no necessity for someone to be consistent in their "choice" of violence. Just because you accept killing doesn't mean you have to accept gore. Just because you accept sexual violence against adults doesn't mean you have to accept sexual violence against children. Just because you accept robbing a museum doesn't mean you have to accept robbing a human. The levels of flaws here are astronomical.
>>544072588Murder, not killing.
>>544071753You are no Christian so do not pretend to be one. Since all you can do is argue in bad faith, this is the end of the conversation.>>544071782The only unforgivable Sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Just because computer code does not share the imago dei does not mean that people are still not being desensitized to the thought of unjustly killing things simply to fulfill twisted, sadistic pleasures & satisfy their frustrations/resentment towards real life human beings that cannot be carried out in real life. Video game characters serve as placeholders for these wicked intentions."it isn't real, so I am allowed/justified to abuse these unreal things and satisfy the wicked lusts in my heart that demands vengeance/satisfaction"Some video games are designed & created with the express capacity of satiating those lusts that the player is too cowardly to carry out in real life due to fear of punishment. Eventually however, not even video games will be able to satiate these ever-growing lusts that demand more and so it will slowly spill out into other areas of life and express itself in different ways.
Like to note that in movies you can kill someone and have minimal gore and get a pg-13 ratingBut as soon as theres boobies or sex scene it gets an R ratingi think theres a similar stance on video game ratings too.I think its all just military indoctrination.MIC wants to promote violence more than sex.Theres no rts based around sex at all(rance doesnt count)
>>544072588She has oily, greasy skin, which can be a symptom of an STD.
>>544072591Incorrect. I would much rather a woman dives ass-first on my dick without consent. I’d reasonably guess 99% of men would appreciate that regardless. You made an objective argument that the degree of bad can be limited from portrayal but there is a clear illogical bias between killing and rape.
>>544072954False. The "badness" is not defined by the willingness of the perpetrator but the harm to the victim. The bias is not my own. There are clearly people who willingly engage in virtual acts of violence against children just like there are people who willingly engage in virtual acts of murder. To assume that is not the case can only be done for the sake of argument, not as a fact.
>>544072711>muh bad faif what would I do if reddit did not taught me thisI have good faith that’s why I hate faggotroons as opposed to every Church of Satan that you go to. And look at me yet even I have the charity to not withdraw from discussion but it is predictable and your own fault you’ve cursed yourself.
>>544072502>Where is the objective difference in doing so.What are you some kind of retarded jew? I have no coins for you jew, only god could fix your sickness.>>544072711Did you even read my post before replying?Also define blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.There are three major types of sin jesus talks about. Venial (that which is unheathy) and Mortal (That is which condemns you).But there is a third that is not as well know, skandalon. These are soul predators, they literally prey on souls of men.Jesus explicitly says outright killing these soul killers is indeed a merciful act. This is basically in reference to Genesis 9:6, but he adds more detail about how cursed their soul is.Therefore game made to kill and mutate the soul via skandalon is actually the greatest moral crime not that someone who plays it might be feeding the seeds of hatred which is bad internal practice, but enacted on it's not yet condemnable. You must say nabal first.But he also says anger creates cause for judgement, therefore you should notice these behaviors and improve yourself.I'm not saying I do not judge it, I think it's an ethical failure, but it's not a moral death.
>>544072717Not an objective argument
>>544069414>How do you resolve it?sucking on her fat tits until I induce lactation
>>544069414some hack academic got paid 2x my salary to write this absolute nothingburger
>>544069414i dont care
>>544073090Don’t know what you even said there. Both intent and severity of an action can be individual variables in how bad something is. And given what I just said I would like to be raped every day, yet it’s apparently unforgivable when compared to murder, asking most people.
>>544069414Looks a bit like a siri spawn.Women shouldnt have any restraint only men need to do that.
>>544072588Would
>>544069845Society doesnt see it as bad in a lot of situations. Killing people in a game doesnt make you a murderer. Liking pedophile stuff in games does make you a pedoAlso not just video games also movies
>>544069414I inform you that there is a bit of a troon in that.
>>544073310No keep your two cents actually kike no wonder you wouldn’t offer any objective reasoning
>>544070819Killing and murder are different things. Its real simple.
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>>544073578Actual objective argument
>>544070826The whole dilemma is wrong because it assumes all killings in games are murder and then compares this to child sex acts. I don't even care about children sex acts I think they should all rope.
>>544069414The same dilemma applies to movies or any media involving graphics or artwork. Killing is justified even if it's murder most foul, mass killing, torture! CSAM is not. The answer should be obvious as to why.
I am currently genociding the world of all orcs as the arch necromancer Nagash, so how does this affect you personally?All greeniggers must fucking hang. BILLIONS must die.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4xobZCIRWE
What kind of argument is that? It's obvious that one could skirt child pornagraphy laws what there is no such equivalent for depictions of murder or killing.
>>544073947Many if not most are assuming all killing is murder while the premise only said murder.
>>544069414This goes further because people will often hold media depictions of gays counts as "grooming" but they're fine with video game violence. Violence rewarded or encouraged in a game doesn't get nearly the criticism as having gay characters.
>>544074246I mean tipper gore jor liberman and some other senator were railing on violence in video games since the 90s with doom and gta 3, which caused alot of research in seeing if violence in video games makes a more violent child.Only /v/ pretty much hates the gay romances in vidya.
>>544074246The faggotry pushed in games is deliberately done so to further seep faggotroon ideology through all human vices and try to normalize it in the real world. No one with intelligence is against a game that has you hack and gut faggots.
>>544073992And yet only a single one was able to give an argument here as to why
>>544069496this
>>544069496This is how I would the problem. Or any problem for that matter.
>>544074046Yeah the dilemma premise says murder but then it goes on to argue games like Modern Warfare 2 are games with murder. Modern Warfare 2 is played entirely from the perspective of soldiers. What is the dilemma saying? States are committing murder?
>>544069496BOOBA
>>544074628Perhaps yes. It could even be nuanced and not clear-cut murder. Like that shad comic where dipper thought he was having massive sex with the ginger with freckled asscheeks
>>544070549>muh jewbook gobbeldygookfriendly reminder that jesus was close associates with jewish child traffickers, and got caught in the company of them and a young naked boy
>The view that actions that gamers carry out in video games, such as murder or rape, are subject to moral evaluation has been shared by a number of ethicists, including critics of games such as Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (2009) and RapeLay (2006)So the "gamer's dilemma" was not made by gamers, but by game critics. It has no relation to reality because the answer is "fuck off I don't have to justify me playing a computer game to you."This is true btw of whatever I watch on my computer, there is no moral dilemma here and me watching something on my computer is not related to the real world at all, your fake dilemmas and drama do not justify your paycheck.
>>544069414>anon discovers safe-edgy and safe-horny
>>544069414> Shrimple as Follow the Ten Commandments and don't trust anyone who doesn't.
>>544071451>t.worships a pantheon of mythological jewsShut the fuck up you absolute retard.
There is no dilemma.Killing your enemies is based and moral both in real life and in media.Exploiting children is evil regardless of where.
