Remember when S-400 was supposed to be pinnacle of air defense?
>>544080279I guess I remember that. Is that the whole post? /pol/ has been so trash these past few months
Eye don't remember anyrthingI think I have armnesier
around the time the patriot was supposed to mean something ;\
>>544080279No white person ever said that
>>544080279Yeah now they have the S500 you dumb cunt
>>544080279>1pbtid poojeet-tier slide thread
>>544080279The S-500 Prometheus
>>544080417S500 is against icbms you retarded Zegroid.
Yep it got buck broken in ukraine
>>544080417May we see it? Russia loses an air defence system daily now on average. They lost 6 yesterday. Here's a pantsir getting droned. Russian air defence is useless.
>>544080279yes, it wasn’t + /thread
>>544080331>/pol/ has been so trash these past few monthsit's midterms shill season
>>544080331>/pol/ has been so trash these past few monthsUkraine is dismantling russian data centres now so it should improve. Can't pay their jeet shills if their banks don't work.
>>544081114if it's so useless how come no ukrainian drone ever makes it to the kremlin or any other valuable target in moscow? even during their 1500+ drone attack the only thing that hit the refinery was a russian MANPAD gone astray and hitting that oil drum kek. i'm not even sure what you're trying to prove. in a war each side loses stuff all the time. russia uploaded videos of IRIS-T radars getting blown up two days ago, ukrainian S-300 in odessa (still have them somehow). and it's not like ukrainian air defenses are working given the heavy deep strikes by russia, even though ukraine has every NATO air defense system under the sun defending it.
>>544081395If Ukraine hits their government then it's open season on their government too.If their entire government is beheaded then you will have a real war lord situation and no one you can settle a capitulation with.It's simple.
>>544081395>ukraine has every NATO air defense system under the sun defending it.Yet no ammo. Russia does have ammo but their air defences are shit. It's that fucking simple.
>>544081717if they were shit then there would be no point in targeting them
>>544081902If they weren't shit they wouldn't be able to.
>>544081938retard alert
>>544081968No need. I could already tell. But thanks for the heads up. Retard.
>>544080413I actually got sucked into the s400 propaganda pretty hard
>>544081990thanks for confirming paki rape meat
>>544080417The S-600 will be out soon but they took out the disc drive it's going to be online only
>>544082003So did turkey and look at the mess they're in now.
>>544080279didnt you give yours to hohols ?
>>544082045>turkeyGobble gobble gobbleHa ha ha
>>544080279Well people noticed that it has 4 tubes so they decided to launch 300 small things at things to blow up. It's not really a secret that saturation attack work.
>>544080279Let's see Ukraine's air defence.
When is the last time something without a Russian flag on it flew over a s400 radar array?The launcher is just a tube, the point defence is there to stop drones, helicopters. Close range threats. It's a battalion level asset built around radar, and to my knowledge nothing has every flown into radar lock of a s400, and very little fucked with the s300 either.
>>544080279Okay show how Patriot preformed
>>544082184Russia has lost numerous s400s to Ukrainian drones. They lost an S500 in Crimea. There's this thing called Google. It's got fuckloads of videos.
>>544080279Now it's S-500 Prometheus but S-400 remains usable for most jobs.
>>544082234It performed fucking great until trump wasted all the ammo on Iran.
>>544081340Notice how quiet /pol/ was when the yandex datacenter in Kaluga got droned?
>>544082320I did indeed. Now if only Ukraine could hit Mumbai....
>>544082274Sure thing Mr Stupid Nigger
>>544082274Wasn't there a video fo it failing in Kiev ?And uh didn't help that much to defend bases against Iran
>>544082250maximum 3 or 4 system were completely lost, the the missile carrier trucks aren't the whole system
>>544082406Russia has lost 1699 air defence systems since invading in 2022. Cope. They lost 6 fucking yesterday alone.
>>544082154Bingo. SAM systems are big ticket items, battalion level, like an armoured division. Very few countries even have one and nato basically has one German one, and one the rest of Western Europe has to share. Most countries figure a major air campaign would destroy them either way so don't even bother investing in SAM. Point defence, flak, yes. Fighters, yes, both are typically dual role. SAM is really for shooting down stealth aircraft, interceptors, apex predators of the air. Aircraft which themselves carry strike missiles and beyond line of sight air to air missiles, if not hypersonic scram missiles. Point defence can't really protect itself from a strike missile. Strike missiles cost so much that it's really not worth hitting point defence with one so that's not result an issue, you just get two. There are peak point defence like the phalanx, there's a Russian equivalent for carrier defence. Point is, Russia HAS SAM, most of Europe actually doesn't.And much like the HIMARS the s400 system can strike ground, naval and other missiles just as easily as it can strike enemy fighters. So it's a theatre level asset.The American equivalent is far better, the s400 isn't the best SAM system out there, but it's good, and most counties don't even have one.
Nafotrannies having melty over teump putin diesel deal? Now post the pic with the burning terminal to cope a little more.
>>544082467>most of Europe actually doesn't.Have you ever been to Europe? Are you retarded?
>>544080279I remember when people were afraid of russian army xd
>>544082534I like your SAM system you totally don't have parked at Rzeszow airport. The one at Warsaw is nice too. Berlin's is more spread out though. It's funny how this dumb cunt >>544082467here wrote all that nonsense when they are parked everywhere for all to see.
NAFO still rehashing 2022-2023 propaganda in light of embarassing US performance in 2026 lmao
>>544082250This is sort of a misunderstanding, the s3/400 is a system, not an asset. The launch unit is an asset. The truck which carries the missiles is an asset, the radar is an asset. The cost and value of these is not equal. For example the launch unit is worth less then a single missile, and it holds 6 (?), so is common for the Russians to deploy both dummy launchers and launchers with only one missile. This is just the same as Iran's shahed/SCUD 4, the launcher is disposable.And destroyed, well that's relative as well. Armoured units get recovered. Ssl drones can take armoured units out of action but so can an RPG, a large rock, falling tree. If it's in friendly lines it gets recovered and the mechanics fix the broken wheel, antenna, whatever. So the Russians s300, there have been hits on isolated units, testing units, dummy units, but not by anything the system could actually target. SAM fails if an enemy can enter radar range and carry out what you call a deep strike. Hitting something which could hit you back. And that's never happened. Not once. Russia is a military peer, we can take cheap shots at them but ultimately must respect their military.
>>544082448>Russia has lost 1699 air defence systems since invading in 2022.the talk is about s400 not air defencesthese numbers also include things as simple as mounted rkp with camera
>>544082613What good is a SAM if there are no missiles for it?
>>544080279Yeah, it still is. These systems are great against planes, much less so against missiles, especially smaller ones. They're kinda bad against drones. Kinda pointless too. A 1-5 million dollar missile vs a 100+ million dollar plane makes sense. Against a missile it's okay too, especially taking into consideration the infrastructure it preserves in the process and the cost it would take to rebuild it... but a drone? Not worth it. Not even close. You wish you had a bunch of these batteries if you suddenly became enemies with one of your neighbors. They'd deter their air forces from directly bombing the shit out of you.
I mean Russians regularly beat back 1000+ drones and missiles in a single night, those directed by NATO which gives all the intel and targeting data to Ukrainians Americans got expelled from every base east of Jordan by Iran lmao it’s pretty clear which AD works and which one doesn’t
>>544082673>SAM fails if an enemy can enter radar range and carry out what you call a deep strike. Hitting something which could hit you back. And that's never happened. Not once. Russia is a military peer, we can take cheap shots at them but ultimately must respect their military.Jesus fucking Christ. Where did they find you? There are countless videos of Russia Sam systems being taken out. Radars, launchers and command posts. It's open fucking season on them and has been for some time. If you are going to lie, try to be convincing.
>>544082684You think Poland and Germany don't have missiles? How sweet. But then, you are the danish troon, aren't you sweetie?
>>544080355sorry too hear's
>>544082808>intel and targeting data to UkrainiansYou realise you can get coordinates of refineries from Google maps?They aren't that small. Were you dropped on your head as a baby?
>>544082784AD is a far more complex topic than average goy or NAFOtroon presents it From 2022 onward they intentionally simplified the topic and set impossible standards (if Ukrainians manage to slip past 3 dinky drones with 15 kg of explosive combined and hit something somewhere your AD is shit) then Drumpfstein invaded Iran and got raped lmao
>>544081717patriots cant hit shit though, thats also a small issue.
>>544082808>Russians regularly beat back 1000+ dronesYet every single night something massive gets hit by 'debris'.Ukraine has the most successful and accurate 'debris' the world has ever seen. You zigger shills are something else. Thankfully yandex will be over soon enough. Your days are fucking numbered.
>>544082897okay you’re the most retarded gorilla nigger that posts here and you should just ignore me cause I ain’t gonna give you anymore (You)s you stupid fuck but to end with a more constructive note, you need data cause you need to know where AD is, for start, as no one flies anything straight into AD if they can avoid it given the huge size of Russia, their AD is spectacular
>>544081717Depends what you're comparing it with. Russian air defences have been generally decent throughout the war and Moscow in particular has by far the most efficient AD anywhere on the planet. On the other hand, we can plainly see Kiev protected by evey possible NATO air defence in existence being bombed to shit and left completely at the mercy of Russian missiles and drones 24/7. Not only that, we've seen almost every US air base across Middle east being wiped out by Iranian drones. We've seen Saudi capital being bombarded by Houthis. So you're absurdly mistaken to hope that UK would fare any better than any of those. Probably a lot worse than Kiev since UK doesn't have a leftover of Soviet SAMs like the Ukraine did have initially.
>>544082949Pac 3 patriots perform better than anything else out there. That's not open to debate.
>>544082980Chuck something at us and see you incompetent bunch of fucking alcoholic buffoons.
>>544083010shit performs better than glue when you have no glue but it's still shit.
>>544082251The mobile mast is without a doubt the weirdest shit I've seen deployed in the field. Nothing about it makes sense. >>544082509Maybe you should ask someone. There's a dumb missile, a glorified RPG, LOS guided like a TOW or laser guided. Got modern navy got fucked by Argentinian X4 so close missile isn't too be understated. It's why the US can't approach Iran's Coast. Guided missile is a big leap but the guidance is typically native. Hellfire missiles for example. Very accurate. Have onboard guidance but still aren't self seeking.Self seeking is some scary shit, sidewinders/AIM-9. These don't need to be guided so shooting down whatever fired them won't help you. And they can be blind fired at targets which can't be locked or airspace you're just assumed to be in. And I say this to emphasise how advanced SAM is. It's a self-seeking missile the size of a v2 which no aircraft could carry, is given data by air, ground, satellite systems all at once, it's faster then any plane or cruise missile. The main use of them is actually to shoot down MRBM, ICBM. They can shoot down objects in space. Stealth fighters like the f35 exist for almost the sole reason of sneaking within radar range of s400, and hitting it with very long range, low profile, strike missile, with the view to take out the radar then nuke the area from space after.The f35 was designed to beat the s300, but was ten years delayed. Russia stole the engine plans for the f35 twice, then bought them from isreal once, the result was the s400 (which was just a software upgrade) and ten year later, the US is still even with Russia. More concerning, China has comparable aerospace systems, again, simply stolen from the US and purchased from isreal.
It's great against aircraft but not so good against Doritos
>>544081395Based and context-pilled
Missles get through the Iron Dome system. Pretty sure missles will always be superior to anti-missle batteries and SAMs.
>>544083010See what, rowdy niggers looting the ruins of London? The entire Kiev metro system has shut down an hour ago btw. The power grid is down again. No biggie. Just like with their ports, locomotives, petrol stations, warehouses, steel plants, bridges and data centers, they didn't need it anyway.
>>544082980>The kapotyna oil refinery. (Several times)>The dubna space communications centre>Wildberries warehouses (plural)>Several industrial zones>That is all>That is all>That is allIsn't it funny how Ukraine hit exactly what it wanted to? You don't find that funny? I find that very funny?Ukraine doesn't fire that many drones at Moscow btw. Jfc you people are stupid. Like, really fucking stupid. Or lying.
>>544080472why did tyrone do that to himself ?
>>544083128All of which is useless against comically slow drones but thanks for typing all that out.
>>544081395>>544083171>>544081505>>544081717Ukraine hit the Kremlin in the 2nd year of the war. You are all kind of retarded and uninformed desu.
>>544083182Yet you are still retreating. As you have been for years. How's yandex?
>>544081395it makes a lot more sense if you imagine that these are adults who got stuck in some early stage of mental development or primal mating ritual type of behavioryou can observe different grades of that across all races, among the mos thillarious ones is this border closing dance that the jeets are doing across their border where they figuratively stake around make loud noises and even wear costumes that look like they immitate animals
>>544082808Most of those US bases were for observation, the issue of the US not being prepared to defend them is propergsndic.The US could land half their assets in Oman if they wanted and Oman is considered hostile. They could land in iraq, get could land on afghsnistan. Carriers allow the US to take over regional airfields then "lillypad" which is like the Russian air bridge conceptually, but actually works. >>544082829S400 battalions take attrition, it's accepted. Russia wants them that close because it allows them to hit Kiev at will. It's worth targeting individual units where your can, sappers, glide bombs, but that's not a threat to the system or going to diminish it's capacity.Hence the war has been going on for 4 years in stalemate, with both sides really relegated to cheap shots. Russia sort of lost in relative terms, but there's no decisive outcome in a regional scuffle.
>>544080279It's meant to shoot down planes and ballistic missiles. Nobody puts those anywhere near it.
>>544081114Where's all the Ukraine air defence gone? Russia just spamming drones and cruise missiles at will now.
>>544082251waow its just like the new iphone the adrenalin rush from the excitement is so heckin real its almost like you can smell its exhaust
>>544083222So ukraine hit all oil refineries at least onceHow come russia has benzin and its 3 times cheaper than in west or ukraine
>>544083480Trump wasted it all in his retarded Iran escapade.
>>544083222What's funny here is that the strikes on WB haven't even dealt mortal blow to the WB itself or managed to cause any lasting damage to Russian e-commerce, let alone hurt Russian economy in general. What's funny is that Ukrainian drone campaign costs an average of 30 billion USD a month and achieves nothing, while Russian strikes cost orders of mangitude less, inflict damage orders of magnitude more, destroy entire sectors of Ukrainian economy and paralyze one of the largest cities in Europe. That, aside from you being palpably scared and distraught, is what's actually funny.
>>544082376why do they keep the subsitles in their faceroll script ? if they used english they would get way more congruence with potential supporters
>>544083273These comically slow drones are like mortars. If you can sneak special forces that close, yes you can take units out. Always worth doing. But the s400 is a battalion, your 20 guys with their drones are an accepted nuisance and don't stop the system doing what it was put there to do. Hence NATO can't bomb the Russian forces and its been 4 years of attrition on both sides.And tacitly, the CIA dronr program is a lazy rehash of the Syria TOW program, these drone strikes are carried out to gather properganda footage not because that random Russian infantryman was important. As a soldier it's offensive to me to degrade one's evemy. We shoot them, yes, but only for military reasons.
>>544083509Russia imports fuel now. You'd have to be an idiot or a liar to not know that. It's open source information.
>>544083533>Ukrainian drone campaign costs an average of 30 billion USD a monthCan any of you tell even a sliver of truth?Fuck me they aren't sending their best.
>>544083554>NATO can't bomb the Russian forcesNATO is not participating.
>>544080279
>>544083438That would be a far simpler way of putting it. SAM is for shooting down spaced based, hypersonic and stealth air. Nobody has even beaten Russian, nato, Chinese or US SAM.Australia flies through Chinese SAM near HK, but that's because the Chinese let us. It's just rude. All they do is chaff us, which again is just rude. We might as well fly a penus shaped blimp towards China to mock them.
>>544083554>As a soldierYou're a faggot kiddo. A shill. Probably a jest or a chink. Take your larp and shove it up your japseye.
>>544083559So how come it is 3 times cheaper? Why west and ukraine cant import?
>>544083589>27 posts by this IDYeah, shills used to be more subtle back in the day.
>>544083589Most of this pricetag is just corruption.Ukraine is the single most corrupt country in the western world. Hell, the wife of Zelenskyy had to flee Ukraine to avoid getting arrested for corruption. Is that bad.
>>544083686its one of the obsessed discord junkies
>>544083618Aren't they? Because when last I checked everyone in nato was sending arms, materiel, partisans and special forces to Ukraine. No let's be honest. Europe is even with Russia militarily so isn't willing to declare war on Ukraine. It's a scuffle over a buffer state. Russia will run out of money, Europe will run out of call of duty players. And that's an outcome everyone will accept, hence the war. Russia had too much armour, Germany had too much money. The moot second campaign in Ukraine was not an accident, nobody expects an outcome here.
>>544083686>4 pbtidruski cant type faster in english LMAO
>>544083730How comes russia did not run out of money in 2 weeks and EU did?
>>544081114Have you considered that they are okay with sacrificing air defence systems if that allows the rest of the russian army to score other strategic victories on the battlefield?
>>544083765>strategic victories on the battlefield?May I see them?
>>544080279If the Ukrainian war has taught me anything it is never believe what Russians are saying.They have a super military? Lies.RUSSIA STRONK? Lies.They are the saviours of the western world? Lies yet again.The thing is, Russia placed themselves in this situation. Only browns keep falling for their propaganda these days. Yes that's how bad it has gotten.
>>544083877You can tell they aren't white, they are so ridiculously stupid.
>>544083761Well there's a huge gap in Russia's real/dollar economy, Russia is firmly on the real end so if they keep drilling, mining, growing potatoes they will always have money. Germany manipulated the Euro, none of its debts are payable, they're all like welfare payments. But the German primary industry is very strong. If you have primary industry you can always wage war, but other European counties now they can run out of money.
>>544083932No white county got that amount of AIDS they do.
>>544080417They had one or two of them, right? And one of them got dabbed on already
>>544084033How come EU does not have money or patriots if its strong?
>>544084191We do.
>>544084212Then why dont you give money and patriots to ukraine? Its population was reduced twicehow come?
>>544084191NATO could shit on Russia if they were willing to commit the resources, but they aren't.NATO is equally worried about the middle east, Africa and the US.
>>544080279>S-400 the S stands for Shit
>>544084302How come NATO is going to surrender if they are strong?
>>544084297They do give money. They don't give patriots because they have to defend themselves. Is this your first shilling job? You're not very good at it.
>>544084297We need our own as well, you double digit Indian.
>>544084369>>544084372if you do not provide money, weapon or soldiers then how are you going to stay alive?how come you are winning without being able to continue war?
>>544080279I remember claims what Patriot with PAC3 is much better, especially in price and sophistication of each missile. Any results confirming this?
>>544084418Go farm your rupees elsewhere you fucking spastic jeet. Seems Russia has cut their shill budget hard.
>>544084501Lower your tone until you will be able to provide soldiers or money and patriots
>>544082915Yeah, that's an excellent example you brought up. The US air forces stopped their air raids out of fear that they'd get shot down. They attrited themselves out of offensive missiles and then just lounged about, parked outside the strait to force compliance from Iran by preventing oil exports or at least trying to prevent them. It's a shitshow.
>>544080279Offence is the Best defence.
>>544080279No I never got that meme because Russia can't even detect American stealth planes so what's even the point?
>>544080279I'm not russian so no
>>544084571>Lower your toneYou skinny little Manlet piss drinking shit eating curry munching pajeet.
>>544082320I use yandex for finding porn
>>544084922Not for long you don't.
>>544084571Fuck off you ten ruble nigger.
>>544084898>>544084999Now you both have butthurt, how come? Do Not Redeem
ITT: David axewound from the guardian conflates anti-air assets with anti-drone assetsanother huge win for nato!
>>544080472the S500 doesn't supersede the S400 mr chang they have different envelopesalso poos love russia
>>544084501>33 seethe posts>ur a jeet shill XDNafoniggers aren't sending their best. Fuck off out of my country and go die for troonery in keeeev
>>544081395>Putin sends most of Russia's air defences to surround Mosque>Ukrainian drones still get throughngmi lmao
>>544083438iaf has been clowning on s400 for so many years and it didnt redeem itself in ukraine either
>>544083765Ive been here for almost 20 years. Your post makes me dread existentially knowing that subhumans like you exist. You should be studied like a alien specimen. Your levels of cope are beyond this world, your type of psychology is an abomination and your stupidity is infinite.Dont have children.
>>544081717even with ammunition, NATO AA is just plane shitt. just have a look at the US bases attacked by iran and the houthis. and on top of that, by low bob drones and cheap rockets. they even deterred the US navy, the biggest mobile air power in the worldand iron dome interception was not as impressive as advertised as wellthe russian AA is way better than western equip, because the former has been build to deliever, the latter has been build to siphon money from the taxpayer
>>544082808correctamundo
>>544082003>I actually got sucked into the s400 propaganda pretty hard>>>/k/
>>544082857no, since we a gave them all to ukrainefor every missile we produce, the russians produce ten>>544083299? from what i hear is that they take one fortress after another>>544083414>Most of those US bases were for observationso iran shut the burgers eyes in that regionclever
>>544083618>NATO is not participatingonly it's weapons, info and money
>>544083414i heard a lot of russians fled to australia, that u?Pro tip if you want peak comedy find the russian shills then read their post in russian accent.
>>544084718serbians managed to shot down stealth aircraft with russian equipment from the 70sso todays russians should be very able to shoot down a f35
>>544080279>remember when technological advancement held perfectly still?
>>544087001it wasn't good when they made it
>>544080413kek i still remember when /sg/ were sure this was gonna stop our airforce from bombing syria when we feel like it
>>544080413oh wait you said white disregard what i said
Shatriot and Phalanx failed so hard the US fucking left Iraq and every sandnigger country in the gulf that bought them is getting dunked on by the fucking houthis. No air defense is infallible but S400 is far from the worst.
>>544082980>most efficient AD in the world
>>544084718the Iranians tracked and fired on F35 with chink IR missiles. Stealth is a meme.
>>544080279> pinnacle of air defenseProbably better than no air defense.
>>544085317post the original
>>544081505>If Ukraine hits their government then it's open season on their government too.Retarded cope. If the ukraine could hit the russian government, they would. But they can't so you losers have to pretend blowing up some convenience store is an epic win
>>544085339No they haven't you lying fuck. Russian ones in Syria were never used against Israeli jets and you're too pussy to take on Turkey, Lying rat.
>>544082980I find it interesting how Russians lie so much one lie start to trample on another lieFor exampleRussians are saying that they produce x10 times more long range drones than UkraineRussians are also saying that they shoot down x10 times more long range Ukrainian drones than Russia launches
>>544087071Syria never had them, they're Russian and the Russians never engaged the Israelis. They brought them into Syria after the Roaches downed one of their aircraft and Turkey never did it again after that.
>>544087914>it wasn't on >it wasn't armed>it wasn't used same cope as the pantsir one back in the day
>>544088001there are public records of russian operated ADs firing at israeli jets notably on jets carrying out strikes on masyaf
>>544087915yep russians were never great at faking statistical dataat least in russia they can rape in prison whoever doubts the data
>>544082980>Yeah, Russian territory is constantly being attacked by Ukraine in this "three-day special operation" but at least Moscow isn't in ruins, so it's a huge victory.
>>544088100They fired an S-300 at Israeli jets once and even that's "According to Israel" who just lies constantly about everything. Even they said it was a one off incident and their aircraft weren't in danger (long range, no radar lock).Want to keep lying?
>>544088652>RUSSIANS NEVER ENGAGED ISRAEL IT WASNT USED >YOU LIAR>IT WAS S300 YOU LIAR clowned on
>>544081114>Russia loses an air defence system daily now on average.May we see it?
>>544088169Yet you had to cross the border running away from the TCC. Curious isn't it?
>>544080279I do. I even remember when the Iranians used one to shoot down a Ukrainian airliner by mistake.
>>544080279it's not like the east and western MICs are competing and replacing a chip or updating software doesn't 'fix' an issue which no one knew about until a war started. Lemme guess. You're some retarded brown immigrant right?
>>544088169>yep russians were never great at faking statistical datayes totally unlike your western jew masters right?
>>544089050cope more russian monkey>>544089442show examples for comparission
