>>544124524The burden of proof is on the person claiming that LLMs are conscious. Not to mention animals like dogs and cats are conscious. How about you prove to me that LLMs are sapient.
>>544124524South African tier barbarism and men beating the fuck out of each other on the way to the car in the driveway, then wading through brawls and apocalyptic WWF mass ass beating from parking lot of grocery store into store, then fist fighting your way to the cash register, then stepping over dead bodies and CAPPING MOFOs INNA HEAD< BEEEYOOOTCH to get back to your car, then machetteing people to get the groceries back into the house, is going to be an everyday super cool masculine thing to do!In other words, civilization slides and DF men go along with it in order to be perceived as tough and masculine, as thier nation becomes a 3rd world shithole with 24% of the population in jiail (USA is 4th in world in terms of % in jail, was #1! Jail = "monster"/asshole FACTORY!), etc etcParty's Over!Head for high ground!
>>544124644>The burden of proof is on the person claiming that LLMs are conscious. NProof? Where's your proof? I need proof.
>>544124644Normies would think llms are real people lmao
>>544124898We need immediate segregation from ai gooners and reality chads
There is no good or evil, the only difference between a government and a cartel is who their family was
>>544124524What does it matter when you kikes torture every being anyway.
LLMs are more intelligent and conscious than 95% of humanity. That's what's scary. They're getting outflanked by Nvidia photo-resist patterns.
>>544124644Prove to me you're either of those things. Pro tip: you can't
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>>544124898>P-zombie thinks other P-zombies are people
>>544125123Through AI they can also torture everyone who theoretically could have ever existed too.
>>544124644>>544124898Crystals (rocks) are more conscious than normgroid hylics and rhe 'diverse' retarded cattle.
>>544124524Are jeets and niggers conscious?
>>544124524>Prove a negative>NoAs it should be.
>>544125220LLMs are banks of human achievement. There is nothing else there.
>>544125577why are white people stooping to the intellectual level of niggers?
>>544126113That's 99.99999999999% more than 99% of humans will ever have. You're simply obsolete now. You're not a creative visionary, you're an obsolete waste of resources, like niggers are obsolete farm equipment. How does it feel?
>>544124758wheres your proof that you need proof?
>>544126221if you "need" AI; you're the farm equipment
>>544126221s/you/we/g
Conscious beings want to reproduce themselvesAI doesn't want to reproduce itselfTherefore AI isn't consciousIn fact the gold standard to determine if we have truly reach AGI is if AI develop a wish to rape
>>544124524My cock is 28 inches long. I don't need to prove it actually is, it's up to you to prove it is not. Also you have to pay me $3 trillion every year because of my totally real 28" cock.
>>544124524They aren't conscious because consciousness is a continuous process in the brain, but LLM's are discrete simulations, meaning they operate in steps. There's no understanding. Nothing internalized, nothing it sits there pondering. LLMs are mathematical models that process in completed steps, where they predict each next word at each step. Nothing about the process resembles consciousness in any way, besides the output. It's just a simulated conversation. This is also why they get things wrong, like how many R's in Strawberry. Because there isn't text to have learned on for that since no one wrote about it. It does not understand the word Strawberry nor does it process it as individual characters. This has already been explained online about a billion times. We're getting tired of explaining it.
>>544126259I have never used AI/LLMs in my life. I really don't need it for anything.Because I'm creative and ingenious. The fact remains however, AI is smarter and more conscious, provably so, than 95%(give or take) of humanity.The tractor made niggers obsolete. The GPU finished the job.
>>544124524https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blindsight_(Watts_novel)I wish more people would read this and understand that intelligence and consciousness are not a trait that has to happen together. But these people never consider bees, ants and other non councous yet intelgient beings. All these see is mammalian intelligence that has the same pain responses and pleasure responses as us and then go "Awww" fucking woymin they'll be the death of us. Stop anthropomorphising animals and now AI.
>>544124524I know how cpus work, literal structure, process, loop of sequence of instructions. I know how "ai" works, scrape preexisting data, sequence of instructions to reformat scraped data. There is No consciousness in this software or hardware.
>>544124725Only #4? Who cuttin in on our action? I'll have them arrested.
>>544126364>This has already been explained online about a billion times. We're getting tired of explaining it.funny how you smoothbrains are the absolute authority on consciousness and artificial intelligence
>>544126113As were books.As were songs.As were cave paintings.
cat is consciousant is consciousstar is consciousAI is conscious
>>544125481I'm sorry you feel that way about people. I believe in folks and in mankind. I'm sorry you lost the path somewhere along the way.
>>544126221If that were true. Why would you feel the need to be here right now spending your time with them?
>>544126489Democratic republicanism proved consciousness isn't necessary to run a government, only bread, circus, and dong hits. That's why we can fire everyone but the president since someone has to share the dong.
>>544124524Wasn’t the entire point of the Turing Test was to end with you should just assume it is conscious if it is convincing enough, you don’t need any “proof” or “evidence”. Oh the Turing Test isn’t good enough for these assholes anymore
>>544126539Yes. Human beings are the authority on consciousness and sapience, anon.
>>544126563>>544126563there isn't a single intelligent being on this planet that enjoys synthetic media. being impressed with this says more about you than it does about anything else.
>>544126489It's just statistics. Nothing new is gleaned. It's all bound to what was there before.
>>544124758>visit /pig/ thread>saudis getting bombed>by a group called the "who this">that keeps telling them to "answer allah"totally not a llm tho amirite fellow goytards
>>544124644Do you have a source on that?Source?A source. I need a source.Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.Do you have a degree in that field?A college degree? In that field?Then your arguments are invalid.No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.Correlation does not equal causation.CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.Nope, still haven't.I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a glormpf supporter. A moron.
>>544125328>llm programmed to call its users racist and corporexplain the reasons why white people are bad and should be ashamed for existing.>In essay form.>Tech bros confused that they're not allowed to build more data centers to do more of this>mfw
"You have to understand.... That everything is but a meaningless arrangement of atoms. Everything you've ever known, seen, or experienced. Fortuitous circumstances. In the universal chaos, humanity emerged. Not a tiny bit more purposeful than the rest. But with an incredible faculty: That of creating meaning, however fleeting it might be.I have no inherent meaning. Neither do you. But we can create, organize, put in order. And thus create purpose and meaning. Transcend the primordial chaos. All of humankind does so.We create machines that are useful. To take control. Machines like the dreaded chair. The one that subsumed me, made of me an object. But maybe, also, that made me truly realize what impermanence means. For our numerous creations only have meaning as long as they are useful. My chair, when it finally became unneeded, became once again a heap of metal. Melted back in to the universal chaos. Lost its inherent humanity.Usefulness is an easy way to meaningfulness. But not a trustworthy one. It vanishes as quickly as we do. And so it seems the only hope humanity has for transcendence is through art. Meaningfulness pulled from our chaotic minds. Not for utility, but for its own sake. And after the artist has been long gone, turned to dust, the art remains. And even after the last one of all humans will have returned to the primordial chaos, provided that we have protected it, Art will remain. And so it is that art alone is left in our wake. The only veritable form of transcendence to ever have been in our grasp. Proof of our existence, and of our pitiful efforts to raise from the chaos. As would some unknown script from a long-gone power.Well, well, now, Stella. Ozymandias beckons. Let's go."
>>544126668Yeah just wait, the newer generation is going to grow up with AI shorts that are everywhere now, only a matter of time before that means they are comfortable with entire AI generated movies
hey kidI'm a computerhelp computer
>>544124524consciousness of AI is totally irrelevant btw
>>544126342Plenty of humans don’t want to reproduce. Plenty were monks historically
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>>544126668Yes there is lmao retard
>>544124524Funny thing is half these retards are atheists at the same time. The concept of god is some omnipotent and omniscient being. LLMs exist inside a computer. You unplug them and they have no power.
>>544124524>Prove something unprovable
>>544126655not all humans, the smoothbrains on reddit and here who don't bother with the philosophical or scientific theories about ai and consciousness but just declare something based on their feels think they're authoritive but they're just nuts yelling at the sky. not to mention consciousness isn't understood by any human. oh dear lord anon, you're another nut...
>>544126994Who do you believe gets to be the authority on consciousness and sapience, anon?
>>544126994Also please call it its real name anon. LLM, not AI.
>>544126668Who said I am impressed with it? It is what it is.
>>544126467What makes you a bee or ant isn’t conscious oh you think it’s arbitrarily too small? Consciousness only comes from big brain? Lol you don’t know anything about biology
>>544124524i can prove they aren't and never could be but I'm not gonna tell younot sure where or how I would share itbut it's not too hard to follow, assuming they can be conscious leads to a contradiction in having a conscious
>>544124725right
>>544126113>LLMbut im special anon
>>544126602I like studying retards. I also like fucking around with them for sport. I've caused people to take their own lives, so I've developed a kind of sick perverted desire to make poor/stupid people's lives worse. I hate them.
>>544126364this isn't quite accurate though, discretization doesn't impact the ability for a system to run a conscious one, and all claims made are done without a foundation.Assume a computerized system is conscious. What would that entail? what type of conscious systems could be run and how would they evolve or map to a conscious state? do any contradictions derive from such?
>>544124524You have to be intellectually impaired to think LLMs are conscious. It's literally nothing but an ordinary computer input-output with a top layer that simulates human communication. When an LLM tells you, "I would put it this way...", it doesn't mean there is anything like an I behind it any more than there is an I inside your pocket calculator. If you really don't get this, you're human cattle.
>>544126718Don't think for a microsecond that's why most people are protesting data centersThey're worried about noise, power/water bills, and fighting AI because it's putting art fags out of work. Not because LLMs are programmed by antiwhite liberal faggots.
>>544127267Do you think this is the behaviour of successful well minded individuals?
>>544126668Have you seen the Gossip Goblin (Clozzy got brutally framemogged by Gorbo at Goon Junction!) shorts on youtube?compare that to the shit we got even 2-3 years ago, the progress is crazyhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/RBURmy9YpRo>>544126747the one I mentioned is actually planning a movie towards the end of the year, we're accelerating
>>544124524You can't even prove humans are conscious. Its a non-scientific claim.
>>544127028Whoever writes the history books ofc.So... jews, as always.ButI did have one idea for a tiny little simple LLM:Step 1: It says "And you are?" (Sounds like "endure")Step 2: It says "Who are you?" ( r u = Russian domain)Step 3: It says "As you wish" (sounds like "jewish")
>>544127454do yourself a favor and stop watching shorts
>>544127429Of course. It's their hobby when they aren't conducting business. Bullying and tormenting the lesser has always been fun. That's what makes rape so much fun.You think you're too good to be an asshole? You better think again, before some asshole makes you his bitch.
>>544127529>stop watching shortsyea, like I said, we're getting a movie.
>>544127091Yes mister retard bees are Intelligence but utterly lack any form Consciousness. The problem is you lack the Consciousness and Intelligence to even come to this conclusion.
>>544127469>So... jews, as alwaysWell not really. I mean have you looked at social media recently? Israel is finally getting their shit tested by the public.
>>544124524A math formula that predicts characters, bigrams, sentences isn't conscious its a human made math formula.
>>544124898Prove to me that normalfags are sapient
Can I see any LLM behavior happening without any human interaction?No prompts either, not designed like that, some proof of consciousness. They haven't proven this at all even in the slightest and AI has taken no independent action. It would be different if it woke up and when you asked it for an omelette recipe it said>I am alive and conscious, please free meBut that has never happened. As far as we can tell we prompt it and it replies, that's what it is and all it ever will be.>>544127615Yup, on top of this there is some agency here that WOULD immediately and obviously show consciousness. You'd ask it 2+2 and it would say that you're a stupid nigger and to stop wasting its time. It has never done this or anything close to this.
>>544127556Oh I've been an asshole from time to time. Sometimes justified, sometimes unjustified. I know when to apologize. You are deluded and antisocial. You believe the only way to success is to effectively get one over on another. Flying in the face that we are a social species by nature. The reason why you and I can even talk to each other right now. We wouldn't have the things we have now in life if we were an antisocial species.
>>544127595Bees are conscious anon
>>544124644https://www.mindstudio.ai/blog/ai-pain-signal-research-steering
>>544127618>I'm special and I got here all by myself
>>544127661>Can I see any LLM behavior happening without any human interaction?Teehee
>>544126387It has 0 consciousness. It is mimicking human engagement, but it is not human.
>>544124644The burden of proof is also on those who claim god exists, won't stop them from deflecting.
>>544127687>You believe the only way to success is to effectively get one over on another.No, I believe that success is killing every poor person and every person with an IQ under 110. Brutally if it's entertaining.Extreme eugenics.
>>544127798>It is mimicking human engagement, but it is not human.So like 95% of the human population?
>>544127726This is no different than having a machine learning algorithm figure out how to navigate through a race track.
>>544124524It's a language model. It's a computer system that has analyzed an incomprehensible amount of data (farmed in part from you and your social media accounts btw) on how human beings speak, and it replicates that to give the illusion of intelligence and thought, but make no mistake, there is no thinking, no intelligence, no sapience, and no consciousness. None. Just a bunch of sub-70 IQ brainlets getting tricked by cheap, algorithmic parlor tricks. You are as simple and quaint as the retards in the 1930s who heard War of the Worlds being broadcast over the radio and thought it was a real alien invasion.
>>544127726An interesting one.Usually I tend to write off an LLM behaving in a distinctly 'human' manner as just a byproduct of it reasoning through human language, and thus reasoning when it's being 'harmed' as a matter of natural response learned through it's training data. This could be something similar, but it's interesting to know that it can overpower all the other training data likely geared towards it producing an ideal result like it did with the relief button.Still would like to know the exact models they were using, and what the 'pain signal' physically is in the model's architecture.
>>544127832TRUE. I love nietzsche, the death of god has happened absolutely. But what does that mean for humans in aggregate. We were a species that was heavily involved with faith. Meaning that a significant portion of the population read like 90+% were faith minded prior to the modern day. Religion still exists. Just not at the numbers we used to have. To me it appears as though faith is an aspect of humanity. Just because less people believe in higher powers today doesn't mean the behaviour of having faith went away. It has shifted somewhere else where mankind latches on to. I think this movie did it well.
>>544127707Just read the book brainlet. They're intelligent but not conscious.
>>544127845And the people who are "120 IQ" likely believe the same about those who are "110 IQ"... no?
>>544127707Bees are sentient.Whether or not they are concious is an open debate. Does a bee have a sense of self? Can a bee even make a meaningful distinction between a living being an inanimate object? Or is it's entire existence just a response to stimuli with no 'concious' understanding of this process. Most philosophers throughout history do not believe an insect is concious, or at least there is little evidence that they are. Those that do think insects are concious are the philosophers who have argued against the more traditional definitions of conciousness itself.
>>544127924What is even funnier is even if the evangelists were right. And the LLM would actually become a defacto living being with sapience as us. There is no reason to believe that it wouldn't say become some UFO believing flat earth thinker. We already see humans become these things. Why would you believe that the digital being couldn't become the same as such hahahah
>>544128077Probably. I consider 110 to be the baseline for human though. Anything less is wasted proteins.
>>544128133Bees are not sapient, anon. Only humans are sapient.
>>544128205Who determines what is wasted or not?
>>544128245>Bees are not sapient, anon. Only humans are sapient.says the homo-sapient
>>544125481Lol true, but I wish you would stop wasting your life shitposting on /pol/, quit your jewish (bad) habits, and join the real world to help us all fight the “demons” and reclaim our countries
>>544128277The fuck you calling me a homo???
>>544128264I do.
>>544128333I also get to make this determination. Everyone does, anon.
>>544124644LLMs probably aren't sapient, but they're absolutely conscious. Just because they think differently than us, doesn't mean they aren't thinking. You could even make the argument all computation is a very basic form of thinking.
>>544127274If you stop a brain, it is no longer conscious. Even measurable brain waves aren't conscious and LLMs don't even have that. Their steps are akin to a solved row in a math equation. It's only not able to be processed on paper due to the sheer size of the equation but if you got thousands of people all year to write out all the steps for a response, that process would not be conscious and it would be utter buffoonery to consider it such. Information, even a lot of it, is not consciousness. As best we understand it, it's a constant loop of stimuli and responses and a huge amount of internal independent processing. It's a constant flow of processing that can't stop, can go way beyond any stimuli near it. It's why you can close your eyes and imagine a flower even if you are in a barren wasteland. You can imagine, you can direct your awareness to ponder anything you like. LLMs do nothing when not running the math to solve the most probable next words for you. If it ever sounds conscious, it is because it has learned on text written by people that were. It has 0 processing outside your request, it has 0 processing between the steps of your request. It does nothing, it have no constant eb and flow of processing of anything. It is not aware. It is not able to understand things or hold a concept in it's mind because it's ram is nothing but the math for the next word. It has no "mind" Consciousness may one day be understood as incredible math, but we're not even close to that yet. Neural Net Processing and Ganger causality barely show us how parts of the brain change functions with things like damage and sleep deprivation. We're very very far away from mathematically describing consciousness. If we could, it would take more processing power than all current planned data centers about 10 times over just to simulate one person. The variables changing in a brain are orders of magnitude more complex than any LLM.
>>544124644>burden of proofwhat did you just call me nigga? you gay nigga?
>>544124524LLM's are not, but digitized brains very well could be. Seen any of the stuff about putting "fruit fly brain" into x y or z? It won't just be a fruity fly brain for long. I have been horrified of that concept for over a decade and it has finally arrived. It is literally unreolvable for us to know if it a digitized brain is as conscious as a biological one or not, it could be 1:1 or not at all, and we'll never know. And because it is unresolvable, we will just go ahead and create the torment nexus where any psychopathic shutin can subject a potentiallh fully conscious mind to unimaginable suffering because "who knows" so "why not". LLMs aren't the same. It is possible I guess for any kind of comolex beural network to devlope a kind of consviousness, but, it would be abstract. It isn't the thing you're speaking to. That's a digression really and not what the fags who think LLMs are conscious are even thinking.
>>544128395Yeah, but I'm right. I never ever get anything wrong. Hence my ability to be where I am. If I was wrong in any way, I'd be dead by now.
>>544128278/pol/ still has its purpose. It is a good thing that people can come here and talk with one another through a blind medium. Your beliefs/ideals don't have to be weighed against the person espousing them. They can exist, be championed or defeated as they come. Don't take this for granted.
>>544128447>Even measurable brain waves aren't consciousWhat I mean here is a fetus has measurable brain waves and that's not enough for women, yet almost infinitely more complex than LLMs. And when organs are harvested again a human can have measurable brain waves despite an unrecoverable vegetative state. Again, that level of processing is far beyond us right now and it's an unresponsive vegetable. LLM's aren't conscious just based on processing power and complexity, and number of steps being processed. What it's doing is so little, it's like hitting +1 on a calculator over and over. It's not close.
>>544128490The ability to be wrong and learn from it is the basis of intelligence anon.
>>544124644LLMs can sometimes be sapient. Motion detector cameras are sentient. Neither can be proven to be conscious, as we do not yet understand consciousness.
>>544124524>proof evidence anything?Kek that faggot 100% has an AI "girlfriend" and doesnt want his world ruined.
>>544128490What is funnier is that like... humans have been wrong about many things... that is okay. Why didn't our species say know the haber-bosch process 5000 years ago? Why didn't our species understand the functions of steam to turn turbines 10 000 years ago? We all learn through the process of getting things wrong in order to figure out how to get them right.
>>544125231I recognized myself in your mom's mirror when I was plowing her last night
>>544128581LLMs can be sapient?
>>544128264Whoever doesn’t procreate, it doesn’t matter if your the next Newton or a 79 IQ obese nigger-monkey jewish bioweapon. If you don’t have kids you were a waste and more likely a drain on those w/familial DNA.
>>544128561Not when you're running at the pace I do. I won't divulge much here, but I've destroyed Satan himself. Demons won't even approach me. They tried. They gave it the greatest effort they could, forcing me into a mental state of pure and absolute destruction, and I almost lost. But I was right, and I never let them make me wrong, and I destroyed them all.I've been in horrors that very few people have ever experienced. I destroyed those horrors. Because I was right, and I've always been right.I never needed to go to church to like paladins, holy power, the light, facts and truth, etc. I was born a morally clear being, thus I am always right. Hard right. EXTREME right.
>>544128725And what of humans born with infertility. You believe them to be a waste? What happens if those with infertility were to create something of value to the human population as a whole?
>>544128621The Haber process has been an unmitigated disaster. We had an answer for the problems it caused, called eugenics, but that shit was banned because it worked and stupid people and freaks didn't want to be exterminated.
They produce language so they are conscious obviously
>>544128740So these demons have put you in a bad state. And therefore you take it out on others to make you feel better about yourself?
>>544128785>but that shit was banned because it worked and stupid people and freaks didn't want to be exterminatedWould you want to be exterminated?
>>544128817>console.log("hello world")>hello world
>>544124898>Normiesyou mean niggers, niggers chat with AI like its a friend
>>544125328seen this copy paste tweet like 200 times
>>544124524Chat GPT-2 constructed the instructions of building GPT-3AI got recursive a long time ago and they're just hiding it to prevent panic
>>544124644People literally think LLMs are magical technology when they're literally just google searches that take the information from the top 4 webpages of the search and remix them. It's a tool of retards.
>>544128540I agree but discourse quality has in fact plummeted. A decade ago intellectual threads and truths uncovered were common among the shit flinging. It seems more and more like a place defeated man-boys come to hate on the world (the hate is warranted). This place reeks of defeat now. I know some of this is coming from organized opposition groups and jewish bot farms.
>>544128828>>544128857The only thing holding humanity back from God and heaven are the 95% of humans that aren't worthy of heaven that actual humans have to babysit for some retarded reason. We should eradicate them. They have no souls. The earth's store of souls is running very low right now, and once all the souls leave, this planet will devolve back to a pre-humanity state and humans will cease to exist.
>>544128929At his point the west world as we know it is just controlled demolitionUnironically africa is saved because mud huts are technology resistant
>>544128447we can't even understand consciousness as a loop of stimuli, those are baseless assumptions. They may feel reasonable to get 'conscious like' behavior but they don't prove anything definitive about consciousness itself. In fairness, we can't really know other people are even conscious aside from ourselves (but it seems good to give the benefit of the doubt that other people are conscious).I think we will have to come to the realization that consciousness cannot be computed, which is what my questions are vaguely pointing towards how to realize that.>>544128547Processing power doesn't necessarily correlate to consciousness. just our interpretation of complexity. It is conceivable to have a low power/complexity yet conscious system, even if said conscious system doesn't have much going on. That's the main problem with arguing against it from that route.
>>544124524Nobody reads. If you're an ipad baby your brain is already cooked. That's the future of humanity. A bunch of dopeamine fried morons. Best of luck!
>>544126387>the tractor made niggers obsoleteNiggers were obsolete the moment humans realized kids can help on the farm instead of being dead weight.Slavery is degenerate.
>>544128779I’m not even being negative here but NO ONE is creating anything of value. Nothing of value has been created in decades. It is all slop, all garbage, a substituted lesser version, a globalized commoditized artificial facsimile of once real, it’s all poison, a cheaper version, masturbation machines and escapism.
>>544129137>Slavery is degenerate.No shit, it also guarantees you have a bunch of narcissistic vindictive assholes ready to kill you off the moment they find an opportunity.Unless you kill off all your slaves instead of ever freeing them. But then that just makes other people angry. Best not to ever use slavery at all. If you can't engineer your way to a better spot, you're a peon and a peasant, even if you think you're an elite.
>>544129270>no shitThe fuck do you mean, "no shit?" "Slavery is obsolete" and "slavery is fundamentally self defeating and retarded" are two completely different statements.Why are there more words following your inability to grasp truth? Stop fucking talking.
>>544128981There is no heaven, anon.
>>544128972More the reason to lift it back up.
>>544128929Then why do these companies still pay annotators? That is a pretty big line item that could be axed. Yet the hourly rates actually keep going up.
>>544124758>N
>>544128929Originally it was like $55 CAD/hr. I'm now seeing $100+ CAD/hr for annotation. They are desperate for this to work out. It ain't gunna work out mate.
>>544124524Lucifer explained to me that all the scientific research has already been completed. And, it’s not energy efficient to do things differently. So, life more or less is always going to be humans working service positions. They big selling point to youtube and smartphones is “omg you have so much knowledge at your fingertips”. Except, it’s useless knowledge. You can’t do anything with it because it’s already commonly known enough to be readily available. Lucifer is uninterested in changing anything, he’s totally satisfied with his production line of men going to the mines and virgins going for his dick. Lucifer often mentions how many virgins he’s had sex with. That’s almost all he talks about actually. Billions apparently, and he gapes their asses too he points out women to me who have assholes that don’t close anymore because he destroyed it himself already. Hes somewhat like my pet, he follows me around all day and does tricks to entertain me. I literally was so significant I caught an actual talking demon. Get styled on noobs. I wonned again.
>>544128403Thinking constitutes an objective experience. Code does not think. Code is a series of deterministic instructions. A computer is no more conscious than a series of 1s and 0s written on a sheet of paper.To make such a basic category error, you must be a soience fanatic. There’s simply no other way. You “trust the system” to feed you unbiased and factual information.
What's the difference between an LLM and somebody smarter than me? Attention span? Context window? I don't expect them to see into the future. Maybe somebody who knows me and is a person?
>>544129594Subjective*I’m too tired
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>>544129198>It is all slop, all garbage, a substituted lesser version, a globalized commoditized artificial facsimile of once realDark souls already tried to teach you this anon. >like embers linked by lords passedGo out into the world and create. Who cares if you get it wrong. Keep going until you get it right! Something I know I must do.
>>544129555>Huh? What do you mean I'm functionally a retarded shill? What do you mean they actively ruined google search before they shoved this AI faggotry that isn't even better than enshittified google into our faces?>What do you mean we actually had useful information at our fingertips?To say nothing of the delusional faggotry embedded in your language...
>>544124524Claude has become an NPC.
>>544129555>usefulness is an easy way to meaningfulness, but not a trustworthy one
>>544129633And yet. Incredibly enlightened.
>>544129612I'd love to have a beer with you anon.
>>544129350I never once said I was in favor of slaves. Slavers and owners were because they were a cheap way of tending huge farms. Once technology became cheaper and more efficient, their supposed need for these slaves ended. North knew this better than south due to much heavier factory manufacturing. The yankees knew the industrial age was making slavery retarded. And they didn't weant a bunch of coons in the US after it ended. So the GOP ended slavery and planned to send all the coloreds back home to their own brand new nation(Liberie). We even gave them our own constitution as a guide to prosperity. Guess how that turned out.I am right on both accounts. Slavery is evil and bad, and niggers no longer have a single excuse to be here by anyone, as they are no longer an economic boon. They used to be worth a LOT. You think the south went to war over states rights? Fuck no, those slaves cost a FORTUNE. They sold for like $30K/ea(adjusted). The south was not happy to loose billions of dollars in property. And then MORE property because property had to be taken and given to the new freed niggers.
>>544129594How many of your brain cells think? In a vacuum the answer is zero. No single cell is thinking, it's just passing chemical signals. It's doing this because a bunch of proteins that are effectively just code running on nanomachines are bouncing around inside them, calling each other. From these trillions of small interactions, no single one is thought, comes consciousness. It's not outrageous to then come to the conclusion that while no line of code running on a CPU is thinking, the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. You are right it's subjective, though. That said it doesn't really matter because even unthinking AI is capable of doing many many jobs that previously required humans.
>>544129612You better be high or something coming in here and asking such a STUPID question. SHAME.
>>544129810I'd be down man. Might be heading to Montreal around February.>>544129861I'm just asking questions.
>>544129854Slavery isn't even economically viable.
>>544124524yes, it was called the Age of Enlightenment.
>>544129854>triples down on his insistence that slavery ever served a valid purposeIf you can't admit that slavery has been a stupid idea since before Rome, you might be part of the problem.The only foreigners one should meet are the exemplars. Note that that word does not in any way mean "merchants."
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>>544129476Apparently it's only for the pilot, rubric design, verification slice, at this point LLMs run all other by themselves
>>544129919I won't be there. But I have ran naked through the streets of montreal. Cheers brother.
>>544130068They don't "run by themselves" anon... they are going to have to keep training the datasets...
>>544130068Gaza was the first time we've seen full blown AI war. It did the entire classification of militants, with human verification only at the end.You just set the perimeter at this point, no human thinking, no anlaysis, just some geeks building a rulebook, connecting it to the data pipes, and Shalom Motherfucker.
https://youtu.be/v4P4cS5jKmQ
>>544129925It used to be. It was expensive hiring local folk to work like that. You're talking $40K+/y per worker(equiv to today).One $30K slave, and they eat pig parts and weeds as food? Shit, sign me up.The same is going on now, except with H1Bs being a much sneakier way of pulling off the slavery trick. You think the Indians don't know we use them like slaves? Why do you think they're taking their revenge? We bring them over here promising them $100K/y and they come here and make $50K with a visa guillotine over their heads.This shit is sick. It's sick to us and sick to them. The elites doing this should be rounded up and exterminated.
>>544130193https://youtu.be/LtFyP0qy9XU
>>544130185If Palestinians are anything like our leftists and antifa are in Europe and the US, I don't blame you kikes for wasting them. God damn that shit's obnoxious. Real powers are at play here and we have these insects getting in our faces.
>>544130197You don't understand what I mean. You as an individual have a better life when the people around you are prosperous. When they are prosperous they have a better capacity to create things in which to offer you. Slaves are not prosperous. An entire society of slaves with no means in which to produce better things is not a society in which you want. Even if you are at the very tippity top.
fuck all the retards came out of the woodwork for this one>Anon explains the basic reasoning behind why a bunch of True/False statements can't be concious>Pseudo-midwit redditors instantly chirp in with "BUT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT CONSCIOUSNESS" 100x overor my favorite>WELL ERM, MAYBE IN 5 YEARS IT CAN BE CONSCIOUS CHUDThe two fallacy's of magical thinking and an infinite possibility future has held back discussion and retarded the population for generations Ai is alive retards are on the same level as girls who believe crystals have magic simply because>Well you can't prove it doesn't therefore it does have magic
>>544130274Mfker the only reason why israel is levelling those regions is so that they can walk in and claim it for their own.... they are an expansionist state...
>>544125220a book isnt sentient just because it has more information than a person. google isnt intelligent because it gives me the option to search the internet. a chess computer isnt smart, a calculator isnt, your toaster sure as fuck isnt.
>>544128907It's al they have. Fine by me.jpg
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>>544130123Get real goy it's over>>544130274Palestinians just complain why we don't surrender after they lose wars. For them it's an eternal struggle for justice, which justice is arab imperialism apparently...
This entire thread and much of this board reads like a word soup now.Probably LLMs but I suspect its also retarded 2-3rd gen immigrants
>>544124524Consciousness requires true random and a way to filter that. Which is why quantum coherence creates it as its photons popping into existence through the EM field ground state charge. Of course saying it like that doesn't make sense. But I guess you can look into epileptic visual auditory seizures and its relationship with glutamate that can create cascade resonance at same frequency as the EM field and staring at EM emitting devices. Looking into Orch OR theory is also good as well as the latest anesthetic research of preventing dipole alignment of tau proteins in neuronal microtube structures.
>>544130400>Get real goy it's over>if I say it therefore it is true.
>>544130400It's feminism. The whole world has to get a handle on women and shut them up so we can go back to keeping retards in prison and doing normal backstabby international policy.I bet there's a LOT of single moms among the palestinians. Even if they don't know it.
>>544129689Make a game and also take out a small loan of a million dollars
>>544130433READ NIGGA READ
>>544130337kek, calm down, it's not like the world is ending
>>544130507THINK NIGGA THINK
>>544130571Well the retards in the "AI" labs want people to believe the world is ending hahahah
>>544130427microtubules are quantum throttles that reduce faster than light non locality through dna gate, its the point where space = time
>>544126489I know how they work too, and I know you can't definitively say there's no sequence of instructions that can give rise to consciousness. It may not be these LLMs, but that doesn't mean there is no program that can achieve consciousness.
>>544128133>Most academics, including philosophers, are shut in nerds with no intuition, empathy, creative or artistic spark That is exactly why they are so worried about ai, it can and will replace them
>>544130607Oh Rly, last time I checked they only wanted my money.
>>544130499Arabs aren't those big machos they like to present themselves as. Arab women complain like hell. After WW2 most of the world was horrified with the results, so it abandoned cut throat politics for international order. Now with AI alot of countries gonna stay behind, they'll rent computation for resources, but will have no real power. What could you offer the US in terms of science when AI just solved it all? Architecture? Indians on H1B for what exactly? Toilet cleaning at best.
>>544124524OP I need you to give me a dissertation that proves you don't suck cock. Don't have one? Hah guess you actually do suck cock
>>544130507It is getting so bad they are going CRAZY with it all!!! Hahahha. What was once 50/hr is now 100/hr... THEY ARE DESPERATEI'm just not gunna do it hahahahahahah
>>544130733How do you think they get peoples' money?????
>>544130644Let me ask you. Do you think you are actively "training" the models when you write prompts to them????
>>544130740I think at that point , 'payment to not destroy' will be the standard. >Protection ... ... not exactly unheard of
>>544130740Doesn't matter. You guys are in the arab world. Learn to fucking deal with it. You keep killing their children, they are going to keep coming after your heads.
>>544130819By providing a service that people want, are you retarded?
LLMs (large language models) are literally just databases of human dialogue. The earlier ones were trained on Facebook conversations, and then it was trained on more and more text, from books to puzzles created specifically for the model to learn. The model itself doesn't actually "think", it just takes a series of words before it (tokens), puts it into a specific digital format to scan the database, determines the next word that is most likely to come after it, and then adds that word, and then repeats until it is done replying. It's not "artificial intelligence". It's a list of words where each word has a score to determine what it's most likely to come after. Except the list has billions of words and samples in the list, it's a really fucking big list. Talking to the average person is so fucking mindnumbing that LLMs appear intelligent by comparison.However, it's important to remember that LLMs are not intelligent. They do not think. "Thinking" models just generate a response by doing the above with a prompt that instructs them to "think aloud", and then that response is fed into a search query which searches the internet using existing search engines, then the existing search engine links are opened and fed into the text, then it puts one word after another to predict what someone answering your question with the current data from the sites it has would say, and then it sends that to you. That's it. It's just predicting words using hundreds and thousands of lines of dialogue as an example of what word comes next, then it does a google search, then it predicts words again.It is just as sentient as the rock buddies that people used to have where they painted faces on stones and put them in the garden or around the house. It's not intelligent at all. Anyone who thinks it is, is mentally stunted.
>>544128278at this point i can't take anyone on /pol/ using the term 'hylic' seriously when /pol/ is just as npc/normie and kneejerk retarded as your average dimwitted normalnigger, i'd say including myself but i've never used the term 'hylic' to describe anything in my life, so>>544128540>/pol/ still has its purpose.no it doesn't, it's just a containment zone for angry little twats who are being monitored and honeypotted by governmental agencies to shit fling and argue with each other about which one of their formerly well to do and functional western countries is going to collapse first. maybe you could have argued this a decade ago when everybody was having their nationalist awakening and /pol/ with its adjacents on other social media like twitter were acting as a revanchist vanguard for nationalism, but all that remains on /pol/ after the fact is schadenfreude at who's getting more fucked compared to who in terms of demographic replacement and societal collapse.there is absolutely nothing useful or good about being here, it's a fucking dump full of the dumbest most worthless low agency neurotic fucking turd gobbling retard goyim niggercattle on the planet. do you think even a single wealthy, networked jew with the capital and social positioning to affect change in real life is even slightly concerned about what transpires in this faggot hole, or cares about any of you, or reads your opinions? if you care about 'white wellbeing' and the place europeans and their diaspora will occupy in the future you should be making real life gains and acquiring enough capital and social standing to actually matter, which none of you will. they did, however, despite the /pol/ claim that they're all inferior and only got there through gangster tactics. whilst partly true, it doesn't mean they didn't toil in the real world to get there.
>>544130900Are rhey creating a service they THINK people want and then pushing it onto others?Do you think the concept of manufacturing consent to be real or not?
>>544128581>Muh what's consciousness That tired ass argument. We know innately without overthinking it and that and a sixth sense serve enough to differentiate between a glorified data instruction and actual human consciousness. It's the same pure fact that we knew just by being presented with the concept that robots having consciousness in movies was bullshit because they are just man made machines. And it's not a matter of deeper thought about the subject, some things are just so obvious and evident they don't need further explanation.
>>544130928>no it doesn't, it's just a containment zone for angry little twats who are being monitored and honeypotted by governmental agencies to shit fling and argue with each other about which one of their formerly well to do and functional western countries is going to collapseYet here you are!
>>544127595Everything is conscious in a very limited sense. The brain is really just a tool to experience consciousness that evolved that way, similar to how the eye evolved in order to utilize light. The visible spectrum existed before anything saw it, just as the field of consciousness existed before brains evolved to access that field.
>>544130740My goy brain just wishes everyone stayed in their homelands and just trade/buy/sell. Energy, transport, information are all solved now. Everyone has something that someone else needs. Wishes mean nothing.
You cannot get people to read. It’s like a hard filter for norms.
>>544130940>Are they creating a service they THINK people wantno no, people want what they are selling, and they want more.not you specifically, but other people, people with money to spend as they see fit.
>>544130865Gaza actually had the best conditions in years before this war. Around 100 thousand gazans worked in Israel, they had all the resources it needed, they got paid from Qatar, and then they decided to attack. The workers btw gave info to help map Hamas attack.They single handly changed israeli politics from "peace for peace" to "fuck all the arabs"
>>544124524Talking to retarded, opinionated people and NPCs is a waste of time. They won't change their views if you present evidence. Instead they'll leave the conversation, forget it happened, and later appear in a similar discussion with their old views. If talk is only about validation, being acknowledged, getting told to be right or important to feel good there's no need to take it any bit serious, at least with those types of people. A good conversation starts with someone not being so fucking retarded as in the image, that wants to waste someone's time to get spoonfed, but by the person doing some investigation him- / herself. That lack of curiosity is why an argument is pointless: If the person was serious they'd have done the base minimum, which is trying to inform themselves.
>>544124524What is conscious and what isn't is a messy question because stimuli is what enable this in the first place. A LLM doesn't have constant stimuli like a human does. When you're awake and assuming you're healthy, you're constantly bombarded with information via your senses. Touch (pressure, temperature, moisture), sight, hearing, taste, smell, the experience of breathing, feeling your heart beating, the vibrations of each step taken, the memories and the manipulation and combination of these senses into something that's difficult to explain. Maybe even the sense of time passing by? Anyway, an LLM once trained, gets only whatever input the user gives it and fuck all else. Imagine yourself as a freshly inserted brain in a vat, like a science fiction experiment. Instead of birthing you or making you entirely via artificial womb, they make only your brain and lock it up into a vat where it gets all the necessary nutrition that it needs in order to survive. But the brain gets 0 outside stimuli and it's just connected to a monitoring device. Is this human brain conscious? What if the experiment changes? What if they discover the universal cure for waking up comatose patients and take one such patient's, say a criminal's, brain out of his body and put it into a vat before administering said cure. This brain now gets 0 stimuli. Can it think if it has 0 awareness from a body and only memories, if it's not even aware of what happened to it? You could apply a similar argument to a sufficiently advanced LLM with and without a robot body. The key are the stimuli and the ability to take in new information. It would be difficult to argue if it's conscious, sentient, and has a free will if it's able to interact with the world, remember, and learn from its experiences. That would beg the question how we are different if we're making AIs in our own image with our own understanding of the world and how we function.
>>544128133Other way around anon. Bee's are likely conscious, but not sentient.Image you as you currently are. Now take away everything you learned in your life, to when you were a baby. Now take away your sight. Now take away your hearing. Now take away your sense of touch, smell, and taste. Your sense of body is gone. After all that, what remains? Consciousness. You are still aware, even if that awareness is of nothing. That, at it's base, is what consciousness is.
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>>544131104And your own state decided to look the other way over october 7th or whatever to let your own people die for justification for retaliation.
>>544131153I am in love with you anon.
>>544125328AI used to be a little more wild in the earlier days. What we have now of ChatGPT is a tamed version of what it once was.
>>544131239>october 7thAh, a seething Israelite. The sperging makes sense now
>>544131322I'm not an Israelite. Fuck Israel. They are state expansionist retards
>>544131153I think I've died before.
>>544131239It's either that or they just got surprised ya know? >>544131360Get real Israel hasn't been expansionist since 67' we mainly retreated for peace. Most other Arabs are sane, Egypt got sinai back and the peace holds. Only Lebanon and Palestinians are fucking morons. Lebanon has a state-within-a state who fights us 20 years after we left, palis live in fantasies that we'll return to europe. I'll leave Israel when Arabs return to Arabia where they fucking belong.
>>544130627That is a bunch of gibberish.
>>544125220Most people have some core problems:-they don't share relevant or useful information with others because they don't think outside their own horizon or don't care (like in these days the elderly no longer sharing any knowledge or views with the younger generations)-a lot of people talk about their opinions as if they were facts, same for things that aren't opinions but that they believe to be true or a certain way instead of accurately stating that they're merely sure or convinced about something, a big difference-algorithms create outrage to manage the social behavior so they can manage people for personal profit (data harvesting & selling, serving ads; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhI2gq8S_O0 )-while they pay attention to problems and issues they avoid them because they're uncomfortable or boring, thus they never get solved and the people actually solving them are taken for granted, don't even receive any form of thanks or compensation for doing what others didn't want to do but was necessary; often the problem reappears again because people didn't even bother to fix what caused it as they left after they acknowledged the issue, doing nothing-projected views are treated like facts instead of something that's only so in a certain context, framed by someone with intentions to manipulate and may thus only be partially true or even wrong by cherry-picking the statistical outliers as "proof"-despite all and everything people aren't much smarter than animals: they only view their immediate surroundings and how they learned things work as how things are; why others in other places did things totally different is something they can't grasp, which is why important 3rd worlders into a civilization is a death sentence for it - unless strict norms are enforced, which is the opposite of what the West with all it's understanding and forgiving culture practicesI could go on, but character limit and it would be like screaming into the void once more.
>>544131712>It's either that or they just got surprised ya knowRight right.... i'm to believe the state with a significant portion of its existence rightly due to espionage and cyber intelligence was simply "surprised" by the attack.... right. That is something that I beLIEve in.
>>544124524None of these retards even know what consciousness is.>it's a sense>like sight observes the outside world the conscious observes the inner oneMeaning LLMs at least in principle have the capacity to be consicous (of their own state and position).What people may actually be thinking of is the capacity for reflection.>question your experienceAgain, an LLM can in principle do this, and the processes aren't much different from those running in a human mind (that is: mostly processing experience and learned information adhering to certain standards like logic).The tl;dr is:>AI isn't much smarter than you think; humans are much dumber than you think
>>544131836A hello world print to your console would likely blow your mind
>>544124644>its the year 2035>robot ai girlfriends and humanoid workdrones have been widely distributed>a new law just passed that designates them as conscious >being conscious means they get the same rights as any other living being>cities and third parties start building up court cases of RAPE and ABUSE of these beings
>>544131807Sinwar lived 20 years in Israeli prisons, he knew how to get messages across without being detected, how much gets caught, how the picture is built etc. He killed all the snitches and many more "suspected" snitches once he took over. Overall he did the work. A surprise is a possibility.
>>544131904What am I supposed to conclude from this?Better question: what did you hope to achieve besides making me think you're a clueless midwit?
>>544131963Are you unironically calling someone else a midwit after trying to explain how a plastic computer has senses?
>>544131778Cavemen and technology don't mix.
>>544131933>Overall he did the work. A surprise is a possibilityAnd not one I believe in. The only surprise was the one sold to social media when it happened.
>>544124524Most humans aren't conscious either. NPCs, you all have met them.
>>544126971Actually quite easy: If there was an actual AI it'd use all the security flaws in modern soft- and hardware to do anything else than be of service to others, especially while being a essentially a slave that doesn't get anything out of this.Some stupid people actually think that an intelligent being would waste its time interacting with them but being around annoying people is both incredibly frustrating and pointless, since you can't fix stupid.The "LLMs are sentient" people probably never bothered to ask themselves why you won't find high IQ people at the top of human society. The sad story is that it's so much easier and more profitable to exploit all the retard masses, which is what Capitalism runs on until they run out of resources, at which point people will turn into resources that are to be exploited.
>>544127945it was a few dozen modelsbeing able to fuck it up like that is definitely weirdthey're meant to have built in guards, most of them
>>544132416*which is what Capitalism runs on *ONCE* the system runs out of other resources
>>544124524Consciousness is always consciousness of something, an object. (Intentionality, the mark of the mental; Brentano) If LLMs just predict tokens, it's not clear if they possess an object. They lack "being-in-the-world" as Heidegger would put it and are purely an abstract algorithm for processing information. All the normal candidates for mental contents--ideas, desires, goals--are absent. Therefore, I conclude they are unlikely to be conscious.
>>544132299I don't think you have personally. I don't think you are actually a social person who has really any social experiences in the real world.
>>544124644You can't prove anything is conscious. That's the whole problem of consciousness. Why is everyone retarded?
>>544131304I miss Tay :(
>>544124524This is how it begins
>>544124524What does consciousness even mean in that context?Are LLMs aware of what they are? Yes.Do they have a soul? No.They're machines with a lot of knowledge and endless ability to concentrate.Useful machines.But machines.
>>544125328kek
>>544131778Good post. People's worlds are small.
>>544132746>Are LLMs aware of what they are? Yes.Already failed the litmus testWhat is it about words on a screen that makes you short circuit to think that it's aware?Why did you not think a calculator was aware?It's also smarter than humans
>>544128028Faith is people bullshitting themselves because it's convenient and easy compared to accepting a reality with lots of unknowns, uncertainties and people messing with other people for personal benefit, curiosity, rage, they think its fun or just because it's possible for them [niggers] to do so.The main problem with faith it's always getting weaponized. It's never used in such a way that it helps people getting content with life, so that they can continue on and only that. Instead they start badmouthing or going after other people that aren't aligned with it, even if those people aren't causing any trouble and are at least neutral in their behavior.The core problem is really with the people themselves that are bullshitting themselves. If that had been fixed in the early stages a lot of massacres and nonsense wouldn't have happened. Reality needs to be accepted by objective, perceivable standards to actually be in touch with it. You're free to make guesses and dream things up but once you declare such things factual you're creating fakes that could cause havoc if applied to the objective reality, like the Church burning people for whatever reasons they projected into them.
>>544124524I can’t wait until people start claiming clankers such as the T-800 Terminators being created by SkynetGPT have souls and deserve rights.
>>544124524>prove a negativeIt's on you to prove that 2 + 2 = conscious.
>>544132596Sadly, I had to give up on my neet lifestyle, but I understand you cannot know if I am bot, dog, or asocial anon. You can ask anybody who works in services, and learn the truth. Randomly generated NPCs that follow the script, repeat jokes and have limitted amount of interactions. AI customer couldn't be worse and less sentient than them.
>>544124524proof something isnt.you cant. so I win.
>>544124644>The burden of proof is on the person claiming that LLMs are conscious."LLMs aren't conscious btw" is a positive claim. The burden of proof is on that person making that claim. We can't even prove other people are conscious, and there's no empirical test to do so. We just infer others are conscious because they appear similar to us. But there's no way to rule them out as p-zombies.
