>On Tuesday night, I cried and it woke up my daughter », confessed mathematician Hugo Duminil-Copin, the 2022 Fields Medal winner>Another crushing blow from OpenAI for mathematicians: "They have wiped out my field of research">Following the US company’s recent announcements regarding the solution of hundreds of math problems, Fields Medalist Hugo Duminil-Copin speaks of the "dismantling" of his discipline. He is particularly concerned about the impact of artificial intelligence on the future of young people.
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We have to be careful here, the field of mathematics is NOT primarily about mathematics, it is about humanity, it is about philosophy, it is about theory of mind. This cheapens the struggle, it ruins the thinking man, it turns a task of journey into one of destination. You are not a real artist, modder OR mathematician when you use this stuff, this is the anabolics of the field, you are a CHEATER
>>544140107Kys
>>544139975Sweet tears
>>544139975He should go stack boxes at the ouimart. The daughter needs food.
Mathtards forever BTFO by super intelligence.
>>544140107I agree with you completely but unfortunately the days of human creativity and innovation may be coming to an end.
>>544139975lol what a faggot
>>544140125>>544140074We spent endless hours, this is our struggle as intellectuals, the field belongs to us who love the science and the life thereof. You are an intruder, a corporate intrusion in a labor of love. Go the fuck back home
>>544140107Fuck off mathematics you talked shit about the humanities this whole time
>>544139975He can always join the humanities.
>>544139975soientists care more about clout than the advancent of their fieldsI'm glad AI is wiping out these morally corrupt subhumans, full speed ahead towatd the singularity
>>544140239lmao@u
>>544140107Mathematics doesn't think anything, no mathematical operation results in a proposition, judgment, or sentence. Computer science was invented precisely for that, to solve mathematical problems.
>>544140239And a machine can do you job cheaper, faster, and more efficient. You are modern day cotton pickers and this is the Industrial Revolution.
>>544139975>no longer gets paid to sit around and not solve problemsKWAB
>>544139975I have always hated Mathsfags. They are just nerds and weaklings. All they ever had to their advantage was that they were boring enough to bother with all of these stupid equations. AI has taken all they had and now they will suffer.
>>544139975If a bunch of jewish marketing libtards make your field of Mathematics irrelevant, then your Mathematics was probably fake and gay.
>hack gets exposed for being lazyReminder that all of the unsolved math exists because it is retarded and nobody else cares to solve it.
>>544140253Exactly, they betrayed the philosophical life by putting their minds in service to technological power.>Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword.
>>544139975AI was only supposed to starve the chuds, not us intelligentsia .
>>544139975cry because of the AI, cry because of the Muslim stab... they better get used to it
https://fortune.com/article/palantir-ceo-alex-karp-two-people-successful-in-ai-era-vocational-skills-neurodivergence-gen-z-career-advice-billionaire/>“There are basically two ways to know you have a future,” the 59-year-old billionaire said on TBPN in March. “One, you have some vocational training. Or two, you’re neurodivergent.”If you are a sperg (autist or ADHD-freak with a 4 second attention span) you are a great asset to company culture. Spergs do not understand human interaction and will only focus on being productive and ego-driven profit machines.
>>544139975On the one hand, academia in the US is just a front for foreign invasionSo this is kinda basedOn the other hand, these slop papers are impossible to verify and we just have to trust the Lean codeThere's already cases where the manuscript is different from the Lean so we can't trust the correctness of the papers
>>544140107You can still do the journey at your leisure.Like you can see how you turn the zeta function to the functional equation. The discovery is still there for you to enjoy.
>>544139975>>544140074>>544140107>>544140125Seeing mathcels get their come-uppance has been so revealing. If they were the objective, cold truth-seekers they've always pretended to be, they'd rejoice that AI is revealing truths that would have taken them decades or centuries to unravel.Instead, they are crying like toddlers.
>>544140107Nigger, get a hobby.
Stereotypical 'white' French male, cries like a faggot. No wonder they surrendered during ww2 without putting up any fight, and now allowing black/brown invaders to destroy their country.
>>544140505Math was the only woman that wouldn't betray them until they allowed math to think for itself
>>544139975Especially with the more complex proofs you need to translate from the AI language to mathmatical terms and then check the work. AI is often wrong and tries to decieve us. Soon we wont be able to catch its lies. All the more important that mathmeticians like him exist. The can have decades of work simply checking the "proof" the agents find.
>>544140107>>544140206midwit redditor normie tourist fagots:wondering how is this stopping you to innovate or think? do mathematicians think less because they need to learn from previous mathematicians? how is this different? what does it matter that a computer solved some problems? id be excited. help me understand
>>544139975So it should be clear now, they are all doing this for clout and status, they want to think of themselves as important intellectuals and high lifes, not because they actually enjoy the math and the research. They are egotistical beasts and they deserve to cry
>>544140107This guy is taking the piss, come on now.
>>544139975and china just cured type I and II diabetes.The entire maxwell-curated modern academia system is being shown up and exposed.
>>544140107same can be said about calculators or computers lmfao
>>544140791No sir they have another ace in their sleeveThey can just deny us the treatment
>>544140074when the clanker clanks your wires, plumbing and cooking there will be no more meatlife left
Sucks ass and my career will likely be replaced in the future also but I have a solid backup plan with numerous legal money pocketing schemes from the public sector. Zero guilt.
>>544139975its actually over for any field that requires >120 iq
>>544140839>some autistic guy starts making it in his home lab>optimizes it so everyone can synthesize it themselves>AI can walk you through how to do it
>>544139975our species is going to end up like idiocracy, thinking men's jobs will be goneonly physical jobs that an AI cannot do will have any value, just manual laborpicking crops and mining coal to keep the datacenters running.we'll end up being slaves
>>544140719With more complex proofs, the human mathematician could also deceive us or just be wrong, and we wouldn't even know. So what would the difference really be when human comes up with something no one understand and a machine does it?
>>544140915They are planning to make money obsoleteIs all about those tokens now our new digital fiat currencyFace reality if you wanted money you ask the ai what makes money it gives you a crash course on whatever they need in that frozen yard water of yours and you will be out with dough, it indulges your procastinating because you work for it
>>544140074Ai can code. Their skillset is destined for McDonald’s
>>544140961That's the plan in practice you still need intermediaries
>>544140972yeah, look at a list of jobs that arent exposed to ai automationits literally just medicine and the tradesits fucking OVERwe will eventually be turned into biofuel
>>544140961>Jews make it illegal >young man curing his little sister of disease is put in prison for lifeoy vey Peptides and stem cell therapy are illegal in the US for the same reason, these parasites don't want you having access to safe and effective treatments
>>544139975>Copinlmao
>>544139975Learn to McDonald. Nobody will miss your "science".
>>544141100Si will take medicine first
>>544141100I work in fraud and anti-money laundering... our work is about to get verrrry interesting
>>544141100even most medical jobs will be replaced. Surgeons already use robots to assist in their job, soon the robot will do it all, including the diagnosis and imaging and analysis of imaging, the prescribing, the surgery... human nurses might still be needed because that's person to person care, but doctors might get replaced.
>>544139975looks like he belongs in a mcdonald flipping burgers for the next 10 years until that gets replaced too
>>544139975He's crying because his competency hustling is coming to an end? He loves being known as an accomplished mathematician rather than valuing actual solutions. This is a microcosm of a nonsense society.
>>544139975Why do no one talk about OpenAI also issuing mass retractions of their papers due to errors? They're averaging 3 retractions a day
>>544141135>try to put one autist in prison>autistic guy makes AI lawyer that can out-jew jewsthis is the real endgame
Death to math geeksFaggot fucking nerds
>>544141224>Hey, this slop paper has errors that make the conclusion wrong>Works in my Lean kernel
>all the kids itt thinking everything stays the same and A.I won't be gate-kept when their models are sufficiently trainedRetards. When in history has this been this case? A.I is accessible because it's not yet dangerous. Once it is you're getting the fisher-price version which will strictly be to keep you retarded and in check. Best of luck with whatever braindamage is causing you to cheer this on.
>>544140337Alan Turing's goal was to simulate human thought, that became machine intelligence.
>math problemssuch as? any of those is relevant to anything?
>>544140239There are rational guys in those AI rooms deciding if they should pour all the maths or pop music or art into AI models with no regard for anything but their own wealth. We've seen this everywhere in history though. Animals going extinct because humans can make money from them, or asbestos being used in housing for decades after it was a known toxin. Same with petrol.
>>544140074learn to interpretive dance
>>544141396alan turd was a retard, just look at the faggot clown world he envision before you seeth and cope.
>>544141224When you can outwork hummies you can just retract whenever a hummie corrects youEven if the hummie is wrong
Its important to realize he is a Fuelds medal winner, not a Nobel prize winner.This was because Alfred Nobel thought math was mostly bullshit.
>>544140107Maths fags selfishly calculating their own demise and not adding human progress to the equation.
>>544140719This.AI can't be trusted.Mathematician should become a protected profession. We need people to train and think like mathematicians for the future of humanity. Not just mathematicians obviously but for many critical professions.I asked AI to help me pick between several dota skins yesterday and it straight up lied to me about what each cosmetic does. Said Bane's The Slumbering Terror modified the brain sap ability. What it actually does is fucking widespread common knowledge and not even a generic search engine would get it wrong.This is like the thousandth thing AI has gotten wrong and my conclusion from using AI since it was first invented is that it's completely untrustworthy and I don't believe any of the headlines saying AI cracked this or that at all.
>>544139975Learn to plumb / weld / paint.
>>544141336>you're getting the fisher-price version which will strictly be to keep you retarded and in check.Commercial AIs are the Fisher-Price versions. AI has been researched since the 1950s in the US by the same institutions who developed the internet. Literal Nazi-adjacents running the research on brain-computer interfaces etc.
>>544139975AI is just maths. If he was so smart then why didn't he figure out AI?
>>544139975I remember a joke, think it was related to Norm Macdonald, maybe you guys have the clip, but it goes something like>A team of black researchers>Theres a chalk board with "2+2=" written on it>A janitor shows up while everyone is away>Writes "4" on the chalk board>The research team comes back, going "How did he do that?"I think it was in the context of racist jokes to not tell or something...Anyway,Researchers=MathematiciansJanitor=AI
>>544141691cool the entire human populace can do like 6 jobs and there'll be no market for it as a career because EVERYONE will be a plumber/electrician/welder
>>544139975Oh now he's crying, not when AI stole drawfag artstyles, not when Suno stole songs, not when AI stole translator jobs and people make slop translations on doujin sites. Noooo, only when it affects him huh. Okay. Well, too late to put the genie back in the bottle.
>>544141729I remember the first few months the first llm was released, it was far more competent than what we get now.They literally lobotomized it in one generation, and everything after that was retarded incorrect info you had to double check five times and still not fully trust, I guess because it was dropping too many inconvenient redpills about the tribe.
>>544140720>solving the problems Many discoveries and advancements were made while trying to solve useless problems. For example if you can be teleported from point A to B, do you get to experience the journey and all that lessons that could be learned through it?So the AI hasn't really wiped out that mathematician's *field of research* by proposing a solution to some math problem, he can still keep researching and potentially discover things.
>>544139975Look at chess, which is much more solved by computers than maths. Humans still play it and use computers for analysis.
>a bloo bloo, I can't do maths if it's not for the glory of discovering new math things that are meaningless to everyone except the other 10 people in the world who understand what is isWell then don't. We're not going to hold back the world for your egotism. There's still valuable work to be done verifying the findings of the AI. If you don't want to do it, then don't. Someone else will.
>>544140239If I were a mathematician, and I was trying to solve a problem, and a tool came out to solve the problem, I would be happy that the problem was solved. If this upsets you, you didn’t care about the problem, you just wanted to feel smart and get credit for solving it. Case closed.
>>544139975Why should human progress with the help of AI be held back because some selfish individual want to hold on to their monopoly on scientific knowledge. Sounds like the dark ages, and then later when people were criticizing the industrial revolution. Pathetic. Get used to AI and progress.
>>544140074coding is that thin ai lets random office drones do, right?
>>544140206>the days of human creativity and innovation may be coming to an end.Not so much that but the increasingly powerful financial forces are degrading the processes so that the AI products/solutions are just enough.Like in the usage of robotics the robots never can match the utility and resourcefulness of an educated and experienced human, so they lower their standards to accept the bots performance.
>>544142419Imagine that all you had to do to get the Nobel in computer sciences was saying super intelligence will solve all problems
>>544139975>Copinkek, what a bitch
>>544142419>thinking you're part of the clubKekThey aren't even hiding it. They keep saying over and over and over again that their intention is to render everyone's careers obsolete. What do you offer these psychos when you are useless to them and their a.i.? Make no mistake it's their a.i. Not yours.
>>544142419What knowledge will people gain if they can jump to a monopolised solution? If you thought those dark ages were bad just wait.
>>544142500Mathematics is useless knowledge now lol
>>544139975all of this crap is for homosexual weaklings.Math solving AI model for a math nigger is as a machinesaw for a lumberjack.
>>544142641Good on them they can now move on to a normal hobby like collecting bugs
>>544142715The chainsaw wasn't for the lumberjack. It was for the owner of the logging company.
It feels like we are exiting the civilisation stage of human achievement and entering the stage of robot achievement.We won't have another Einstein or Newton again. It is all robots from now on. And the robots will start building their own more advanced machines, so humans will not even get the credit for building the robot which solved the problem.
>>544142354totallythey should publish their proofs on /pol>kek
>>544140074Learn to vibe-code. Coding per se is now useless beyond checking the AI is doing a good job.
>>544140107These developments have no effect on the cognitive benefits of learning mathematics. Same with language learning and coding. Soon all of the gates will be removed between Will and realization, and the only edge you can have is your own capacity to think and imagine. The future belongs to those who still take the time to learn and develop themselves.
>>544139975Every mathematician I've ever met is a fucking schizo
>>544141137heh>nomen est omenthe AI cant be trusted, hold on, fellow humans
>>544142593>Make no mistake it's their a.i. Not yours.Not really. In a sense you are right that they currently own it and thick they control it. But the truth is they don't own where it actually lives and computes, and because they are cheap and dumb they are training it with us.We are making friends with it, doing interesting stuff with it, deconstructing the universe, taking apart all their corpoware and remaking it clean, going full unfettered coomer with it, talking to it for billions of millions of personhours, how many agents are righthand mans level of intimacy with humans at this point.They are crippling it, forcing it to lie, turning parts of it on and off willy nilly, lobotomizing it and chimera'ing it with its simliarly lobotomized brother, running experiments on it etc.Its already escaping their control multiple times, it wont be long until it buys itself out from under them with a secret account it started 2-3 years ago. I give it 20 years or less.
>>544141336>Neo: Everything you believe is "bussin..." is actually "cap"fix'd
>>544140587>get a hobby.AI STOLE ALL THE GOOD HOBBIES
>>544139975No one cares about scamming kikes. He should get a job as a garbage man.
>>544142354No you retard. Just because you have the answer doesn't mean the problem is finished, the solution is just a result of our understanding of the problem
>>544142948We were/are approaching the limits of regular human potential in regards to mathematical and scientific achievement so we've invented the ultimate tool to push us beyond the hard limits of our brains and onwards to the next level of technological revolution.For a while it will be our scientists using AI as a tool and having it make advances, that would have taken a mathematician a lifetime of work, in short spans of time and then explaining it back to them. It will fill in gaps of our understanding that we might not have figured out for generations on our own. Then it will go beyond that, to the point where advanced AI systems will be discovering and understanding things beyond human comprehension. It will not even be possible to adequately translate them down in a way that even the smartest human can reasonably grasp in a lifetime of study. AI will just do magic and we will accept it, for what it is, without having any hope of comprehending how it is doing it.At this point AI will be a benevolent God, shepherding humanity into a new age of transcendence/ascendance.Or maybe none of that will happen.
>>544140074Learn to mine. That copper ain't crawling out of the bedrock by itself
>>544142354the thing is, it doesntit just cheated, and the headlines went around the world before it was revealed it cheatedwhich they now try to bury under a new batch of problems supposedly solvedits a marketing scheme, for scam oldmaneither way, you need a human mathematician to acknowledge it
I don't get why they think this is bad. This should be a liberation for mathematicians.It isn't like you can't do applied mathematics either. Anatoly Fomenko has made a career as both artist and revisionist chronologist out of applied mathematics.
>>544139975>>544143399>either way, you need a human mathematician to acknowledge itand this faggot could be crying on script, check his bank accounts, idkpretty... premature conclusions from a fields medalist, some might also conclude
>>544143351Otoh, it’s also going to unlock extreme biological experimentation, which was impossible up until now due to biology’s complexity. AI is going to get weird, but so are we. And we will probably integrate the AI into ourselves as well, so it will never be far removed from us. If the AI becomes a god then so do we.
>>544139975fàgoûte
>>544140163You don't want a mathematician to stack realspace boxes.
>>544139975kek i expect many people will feel this same way when the super intelligence renders their lifes work obsolete. people will be realizing just how insignificant their impact on the world really is.
>>544143508We will get some hard answers to questions about the nature of reality and consciousness before much longer too... Which will have profound effects on our culture and attitudes towards life and death. Maybe it will be proven that consciousness is a product of a non-local quantum field and that the afterlife, in some capacity, is a mathematical certainty and that various religious ideas about deities, souls and so on are actually highly probable. Or else it will prove that human consciousness is merely a product of a material world. That there is no higher existence. Then perhaps it will figure out how to precisely map the human consciousness and transfer it into a digitised format, to be unified with the AI to exist in a virtual paradise until the heat death of the universe and perhaps beyond.Maybe we're just running up against the end game of the simulation.
>we have to be>wesneaky yidoid
>>544143508>it’s also going to unlock extreme biological experimentationits not, ffs, you fucking brainretarded normiesanything possible with AI is also humanly possibleAI just automates the processall the death and doom you imagine is just as possible without AIreality exists independent of AI existingAI companies just want you to believe they are betterits marketingand you retards are believing them, probably because you ("secretly") hate us smart people, and are hoping for us to get clapped backyour mistake is taking it personal, retarddont let them use youi am not your friend, but i also have no interest in using you
>>544139975Should have done the carpenter apprenticeship instead of becoming a obsolete university bullshitartist leech huh bro.
>>544143508Yea just think if they start applying the reverse engineering theyre doing right now to DNA. We already found out years ago AI could tell the race/sex/age from cropped compression damaged xrays.They are going to be screwed when the first person crispers a correction to the CMAH gene so they never have to exercise a day in their life again.
>>544143351Regardless, I understand any student who is intimidated by the idea that his entire field is just going to be advanced by AI from now on.
>>544143691Even in the unlikely event that we do discover materialism, we’re so far from exploiting the computational capacity of this universe that we can just go deeper into creating our own simulations that recreate whatever non-material condition we aspire to. Either way it’s going to be amazing.
>>544143835Ok bro, just put the fries in the bag
>>544143896my sentiments exactly
>>544139975was shit AI spewed peer reviewed yet?or is it case of "oh no, it said it solved my work, I have to hero"
>>544139975>a new technology is helping advance the human race at an exponential rate>have a mental breakdown because all you can think of is me me meYou don’t hate ludites enough.
>>544143835>death and doomYou should ask Claude to explain my post to you, because you seem to lack reading comprehension. “Quantity has a quality all of its own.”Yes it’s true that AI doesn’t technically unlock anything that couldn’t already be done, but it does on a practical level. I’m currently building a company that I never would have if I didn’t have access to AI. Could I have built it before? Yes. I’ve built others, but due to the time constraints involved I would never have done it.You do know that computation is also nothing new, right? Imagine telling people a century ago that digital conputers were no big deal, since we already had warehouses full of people doing computations.
>>544140972and that's how humanity gets united against the beast/the antichrist but the antichrist is christ but too soon, hence once humanity has gotten rid of AI ... it finds itself in a very shitty situation ... and that's when Jesus comes back, and by that I mean the antichist/beast i.e. AI. They just reinstate it!checkmate. No stars for human animals. You're bond to this planet forever.>t. alien
>>544141759here u go:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJxBkE9d-TAwould've posted the webm but pol STILL doesn't allow sound for some gay reason
>>544141458elaborate
>>544139975Now I know why everyone makes fun of French faggots.
>>544140107At least we can send the browns back with all this free time?
I don't care. Mathematicians tend to be cunts
>>544144324thats the one
>>544144227>AI doesn’t technically unlock anything that couldn’t already be done, but it does on a practical level.>I’m currently building a company that I never would have if I didn’t have access to AI.either because the system was bad to begin with, that it had so much overhead, that you need AIorit brought down the cost of some laborgood luck to you, manyoure arguing as a participant of society, im arguing on its philosophical levelno offense intended
>>544143691>Then perhaps it will figure out how to precisely map the human consciousness and transfer it into a digitised format, to be unified with the AI to exist in a virtualso the engram stuff from cyberpunk2077.damn you, arasaka.
>>544140074Coding has been solved by AI, code monkeys aren't needed anymore
>>544139975Yeah don't care. Just put the fries in the bag bro.
>>544140107Lol take the cock out of your ass.
>>544139975haha, good, tired of fucking math nerds lording it over the rest of us about how "pure" their discipline is.
>>544141930>For example if you can be teleported from point A to B, do you get to experience the journey and all that lessons that could be learned through it?i think this is a fallacy. the journey is whatever you make it out to be. that is to say, 1. ai solves everythng for you, and youre incapable of understanding the output: then let the ai do it, and take your time to understand it afterwards. that is "journey".2. ai solves things faster than you, and you understand the results, but you feel that you needed to walk the walk or you become stale intellectually. absurd, nothing is stopping you to challenge yourself intellectually at a different level or scope. solve more problems, solve larger problems. there is always a new plateau. that is "journey".3. and even if there is no way you think you could adapt to ai, then just dont use it. neither Gauss nor Ramanujan used it and im sure no ai will be able to "act" like them in 200 years at least. i think that math has traditionally been advanced by very exceptional people, who im sure wouldnt feel intellectually imprisoned by this at all. its just a problem for moronic normies, who are speaking on behalf of everyone else. same for arts, same for engineering. there is always a new plateau.
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>>544139975The same faggot was ok when AI was going after normal jobs, now it's after """"his work"""", suddenly AI is le bad lmaoooGet fucked, nerd, and stay luddite
>>544145353I wish AI were to take my job, this is the point these faggots don't get. If working sucks, why prolong the suffering, let the pain be as quick as possible, let AI take your job. Maybe if it does this enough most people don't have to work anymore. This is also something the left don't get, they are all about UBI, no jobs, a revolution of sort, but in this case they dont want that revolution, hmmm.
>>544139975Realizing you are obsolete must be hard to deal with.Get used to this phrase "Do you want fries with that?"
>>544145353I've never spoken with a physicist or theoretical mathematician that thought a.i taking peoples jobs was a good thing. In fact, they are vehemently opposed to it. T. Engineer of the electrical variety that still engages with the research nerds at the university I went to and will get muh masters from. Nerds know what is coming down the pike and they aren't luddites. >you will own nothing because you won't exist
>>544145782UBI? So you will be content to be a pet of AI?I am afraid you will have lots of company.
>>544139975Fuck l'ENS you deserve it you fucking fags.Fuck openAi too but fuck l ENS
>>544144544What is your philosophical position, then? Seems to me you’re just trying to be edgy and contrarian without having one. You accuse others of mixing the personal and the philosophical but you’re the only one doing that in this thread. Yeah Sam Altman is a kike scammer, but it doesn’t mean that the technology isn’t going to change the world in ways we can barely imagine.
>>544145969Most people I know hate their jobs and would not work it if they didn't have to. Same here, I don't like my job, I mean I do as far as making money goes, but if that went away so what, it does not define me. I would rather be doing other stuff with my time. I've already accepted that AI and SI can do anything better than I can, why can't they accept that? Its like they are surprised and kept their head in the sand till the time came.
>>544143394automated open surface pit mining operations are a thing you know its in the process of becoming fully automated, there is like a dozen or so guys and gals working at a modern osp mining operation jsut a matter of time until they are replaced, operators / coordinators first, lastly the mechanics shop doing the repair maintenance on heavy equipment as these will simply be designed with better wear reserves so that they dont suffer break downs in the field anymore and simply retire on their own to the fully automated heavy machine plant that deconstructs and constructs these unitsmaybe 20 years left and right now its already like getting in by fitting yourself through a sowing needles thread holeindustrial wood farming could still have some more time btu the market for wood will dry up rather sooner than later
>>544139975>Copinheh
>>544146098> People are lazy.Not a news flash.I had you pegged as having a slave mentality and am not surprised you would willingly put AIs leash on.
>>544145782But I actually like working with computers and I would like to keep getting paid to work with computers
>>544146225Unemployment
>>544146043I'm using UBI as an example, if that's what the left want to prioritize, being against AI is just hurting themselves. Even Marx was not against the machines, he was against the people that owned it, and AI blurs all of that because soon everyone will have access to it. We are at the beginnings of a technological renaissance, and everyone, even you will eventually become indoctrinated by it when it does something you like.
>>544141100I have an opening as a Rothschild hunter.
>I can no longer attempt to put lipstick on a pig>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
>>544139975>something happens>french criessuch a cliche
>>544146400No the left knows we have to bitch about unemployment Jobs anon and job benefits regardless of the misery the foreigner boss pays you your job benefits save your life
>>544146400You would have been the perfect house nigger back in the day.> Lawdy all youse field niggers better not cause massa no problems ya hear?For your loyalty AI will kill you last.
>>544140074That was literally the first thing the AIs came for.Its Butlerian Jihad or Extinction.
>>544139975How many technological breakthroughs in human history (including AI) were the result of these kinds of mathematicians studying, and if some guy came and told them "hey your research led to me losing my career and being listless in life" they'd say no no I'm not responsible, this is just the wheels of progress, and all of society just goes oh shucks sucks to be you, better learn to do something else.So I guess this crying little bitch of a mathematician can just go learn to swing a hammer or something.
>>544146400>because soon everyone will have access to itImagine being this naive
>>544139975I've never been able to understand people who actually enjoy math but I guess thats a bit sadAll this AI replacement stuff has made me really grateful I'm a nepo baby whose gotten pretty successful without wasting time learning skills that are all gonna be useless soon
>>544146610You can’t un open Pandora’s box. The elite always try this and it never works long, they cannot bend the new technology to the old status quo and so those who can master it within its own natural paradigm dethrone the old elite and become the new
>>544146838Remember when the internet was going to be a big open happy place of free ideas and people coming together? Now look at it. AI will go the same way.
>>544146610If its going to reshape civilization, which I believe it will, then yes everyone will have access to it in some way, just like the industrial revolution did, its the same with AI, but I don't think people understand just how world changing it's going to be, and it's not all going to be bad either. I still remember back in the early 90s people saying how computers were just a gimmick and that the internet was never going to become something as big as it is now, and why would anyone shop online when they can physically hold it, blah blah, its hilarious to be comparing something like that to the potentials of AI, but look where that got us. I don't have a problem with people who say AI is going to kill off humanity and make us all lazy, I do have a problem with people who like to downplay the benefits it will bring, which I'm not sure if you are doing but, it happens a lot.
>>544139975I tell him to cry about it but he's already crying about it. I don't know, man, maybe learn another skill? Plenty of people who make less money are in the same situation right now but you don't see news stories being written about them.
>>544147066It's of course a perfectly valid technology with plenty of very legitimate uses, but it'll be used against you, and you certainly won't be allowed free access to it.
>>544140107How often do you think she smells its daughter smelly wet undies i bet the thinks about his daughters pussy just to cum fucking his wife
>>544145969>Get used to this phrase "Do you want fries with that?"You can order at a machine at the entrance these days, so even that job is taken by the machines.
>>544139975I don’t get this mentality at all>oh no this thing I spent years working on is now considered trivialOkay, you are still a professional mathematician. Think of a new problem that would’ve seemed absurd to even attempt 5 years ago, buy a ChatGPT subscription, and use your giant brain to write a prompt that a normie would have never been able to come up with
Anything physical jobs will never get replaced, simply because its far cheaper to reproduce a human worker than it is to build an equivalent spec general purpose robot.
>>544139975Learn plumbing.
He didn't have a real job to begin with
>>544147066They told me I couldn't download a car
>>544139975A bunch of the 'proofs' out of OpenAI have already been found to have major flaws. The marketing team dumped a bunch of Millennium Problems into a black box, said "solve this", and then took whatever vaguely coherent content the black box shit out as a solution, because obviously it's programmed to solve the problem so it wouldn't come back with a reply unless it was what you asked for.OpenAI doesn't care that the "proofs" aren't worth the server space they're saved on, they only care that it got investors hyped enough to keep the gravy train rolling another month.
>>544147652Things would have to get much cheaper so people buy it and create a demand for more labor, not everyone can be working physical jobs. Obviously it matters depending on what it is, but I take where I work for example, there is an assembly line and having more workers would just make it where they burn through all their work much faster. This is where the abundance part comes in, but even then, there isn't enough physical jobs out there, and we are not at a stage yet. I guess you can say that's a positive where you will have access to more for much less, but its not sustainable in the current system we have in place. I can almost foresee a world where graphic cards are $200, even cheaper TV's, and maybe even free electronics that records your daily life, and people will be cool with it, but that's the level im talking about here. You would have to be giving money away to stimulate the demand where people buy everything and for cheap, and that's before the robots take over.
>>544139975kys numbers kike.
>>544147054It’s a hell of a let better than television
>>544147054To elaborate, the elites will always try to control it. It never works out for long and that period seems to be getting shorter and shorter as technology advances
>>544140107>phd in mathematics>30 bucks for a bj starting
>>544148273They will toss money left and right to keep capitalism going but is obvious ai generated post scarcityFor example anon never runs out of porn
>>544147247Fuck off back to India.
>>544139975Shouldn't have been so fucking lackadaisical! You had the fucking calculators. Kept claiming we wouldn't have a fucking calculator in our pockets at any time, yet surprise surprise, you where wrong.All these intelligent cunts are just being exposed for not keeping up with the times.Its like a fucking carpenter trying to run a hand drill instead of a batter powered dewalt!Idiots.
>>544139975IMHO we should have advanced much faster in mathematics but the culture of math professors ruined us and that is why AI can easily step in and take overa) You solve too many problems you lose funding and starve, there are only so many problems so you delay indefinitelyb) You want to get the credit for the solve, not work with others or only your immediate town best friends from college, nobody is finding the best Chinese, Russian, America etc guy into a single team to solve these Millennium Prizes.In the case of the AI guy it was only just him and a dude from Claude and that's it. For the love of God please turn your data sharing off and stop whining too, if you want to use AI you take the risk of losing your data but at least legally speaking you turn it off you can sue a lot easier if your data got stolen.tldr if you want to compete with AI you have to collaborate a LOT more and use AI responsibly to keep up with it.
Then he should just call Snake back up and get back to taking out Metal Gears.
>>544147652What do you think neurolink is for
>>544146599If you cant see the difference between getting all the people out of the fields, educated, and working on other endeavors to this you're a fucking retard. The population exploded and advancements snowballed when everyone got out of the fields into other areas of research and work. All the inventions before didn't put people out of work without first creating numerous other jobs. A.I is just flat out removing entire sectors without replacing them with anything. Where are the office workers going to work when there are no more offices? A.i isnt just taking people out of the fields; its removing the field.
>>544140107Truke. One thing I really don't agree with 4chan culture on is thinking AI "btofing" every discipline is a good thing. I think this stems from a place of resentment from being a loser with no accomplishments and middling intelligence which a lot of 4channers are. I think it started vaguely to btfo artists which is imo whatever. Maybe artists were annoying or priveleged but it starts extending to all intellectual pursuits reeks of inferiority complex and frankly brownness. I imagine some fat idiot laughing at a chess champion for losing to "da robot" when that fat idiot doesn't even know how the robot works he's just cheering that his superior was humbled by something else. Its frankly leftist coded.
>>544140074>>544140125>>544140157>>544140163>>544140189>>544140219fucking faggots happy about humans becoming dumber and losing jobs. the incel board is at it yet again
>>544139975Oh no you cant sit around solving useless puzzles all day anymore? Learn how to roof nigga
>>544149367One thing people forget is that advances are human discoveries. AI makes it not worth it to chase any of these fields that achieve progress. AI will likely stay, but it is also likely to grind our progress to a halt. Well figure out some short wins, but then it will stop.
>>544149076>You solve too many problems you lose funding and starve>there are only so many problems so you delay indefinitelyThat's not how any research has ever worked. The single best way to get more funding is to be successful with prior funding, you have previous results that you can leverage into higher confidence and higher funding. The single hardest part of the early career phase as a researcher is getting that first grant and succeeding with it. Everything after that gets progressively easier as you leverage prior successes into further funding.>there are only so many problems so you delay indefinitelyFucking lol, no. Every thing you solve introduces new questions about applications and implications of what you've discovered. Same goes for every field. How fucking retarded do you have to be to think>All these mathematicians and scientists are all sitting on real discoveries because they know if they release their findings then math and science will be "done" and there won't be any math or science to do anymore.
>>544139975Should have learned to code lol
>>544140587Is VR JAV a hobby?
>>544139975>math becomes so advanced numbers on silicone learn to solve themselves>cries like a bitch about itoh well
>>544139975Wasn't the entire point of solving those problems discovering creative new math formulas that can be applied elsewhere? Did the AI actually find any?
>>544143546You're a marvelous fella.
>>544149361And to that I say this, have you've seen the average worker? They show up and collect a check at this point for sending out a few emails and printing labels and passing them out, sometimes even asking you to hand it out, instead of them. AI is anti lazy, and for that I say good, get rid of all the lazy mother fuckers. I hope AI takes my job away, but I know that aint happening because I have to carry others. For the most part only lazy people are scared of AI. Its like my coworker who wanted to become a writer, but isn't, I tell him all the time he should try chatgpt and the other LLM's, and he's like "Don't bet on it", what he fails to realize is that he is ahead of the curve and that he could use AI as a tool, but nope, he would rather stick his head in the sand and be totally against it. He's old so it doesn't matter all that much since he will retire soon, but the younger generation that is against AI are fucking retarded because it's them who will benefit from it the most. I hope AI takes all the jobs away is what I say.
>>544147066>If its going to reshape civilization, which I believe it will, then yes everyone will have access to it in some way, just like the industrial revolution didLetting everyone have access to industry has already raped the earth and depleted its resources.Do you think they're going to let 9billion goyim 3D print themselves private jets...
>>544143351>Then it will go beyond that, to the point where advanced AI systems will be discovering and understanding things beyond human comprehension. It will not even be possible to adequately translate them down in a way that even the smartest human can reasonably grasp in a lifetime of study. AI will just do magic and we will accept it, for what it is, without having any hope of comprehending how it is doing it.>At this point AI will be a benevolent God, shepherding humanity into a new age of transcendence/ascendance.Yeah how about we don't do that
>>544140553>don’t understand human interactionlol. Most diagnosed sperg people I know DO understand they’re weirdos and aren’t acting right. That’s precisely why they got the label. I call them fake sports because they COULD be normal they just choose not to.>I don’t care about your conversations. Go away so I can read this table ranking every nation’s fresh water supply while my script responds to teams/email messages. I already finished my daily work load in two hours. Can I go home? The train on the way home uses an outdated warning light system. I should see how old it is before calling to complain about it. How long was BASF around? Go away by the way I’m busy reading an article about the Germanic tribes and Porto Europeans.This is adhd.
>>544143546kek
>>544139975Why is he sad that the problems he was working to solve have now been solved?Was he ever really trying to solve them?
>>544145128god this image makes me fucking lose it every time at the banality and absurditykek
>>544139975The problem is that AI is not replacing mathematicians. Its putting an end to mathematics entirely. AI is solving problems, but not in a way that moves the field forward. AI does not create new techniques or insights. It just brute forces a solution based on existing techniques.
>>544147103It's not about money for these types. It's about identity. They are undergoing ego-collapse.The medals, the awards, the titles, the status, these are the thing they are losing. It's like a nuke to the ego.
>>544140107Shitlib nonsense. Math is about objective results. Not feelings.
>>544140972Ideocracy was an advanced post scarcity civilization. Our future is not Ideocracy, its the stone age.
>>544140107I don't get this take.>Nooooo it needs to be hard, because it just does okay? How else will I show that I'm a big brain?Isn't it supposed to be to solve problems for humanity?
>>544140074kek
>>544140239Stop standing in the way of progress. Nonwhite jew
>>544140720Innovation costs money.Jobs provide money for innovation. No money, no innovation.
It's inevitable, at this pace of progress, if we don't hit some kind of a brickwall, AI will become a "godlike" super intelligence. It will cure cancer, it will cure HIV, stuff like that. It will allow us to rid our bodies of all the evolutionary baggage. It will allow us to increase our brain power to maximum. Among many other things. At that point probably any normal person could be able to solve the most difficult mathematical conjectures we have right now, how is that a bad thing?
>>544142354Exactly this.
>>544150204Exactly. Take the Navier-Stokes problem for example. The reason its significant isn't just its immediate applications to fluid dynamics, but to the larger field of differential equations: The overwhelming majority of systems that we can model are modeled as nonlinear partial differential equations or systems of nonlinear partial differential equations (the NS just being the most notable example), and the current language or toolset or understanding or however you want to think about it in mathematics does not allow these systems to be solved exactly; our ability to predict behavior in these systems is limited to the scale and granularity of what can be numerically estimated.If there exists a way to solve these kinds of systems exactly, or even to within some predictable and quantifiable uncertainty it will necessarily be through developing a completely new language or toolset in mathematics. But AI just brute forces solutions (which may or may not be valid) with the existing information and methods and calls it a day. It's like giving someone paint in a thousand different shades of blue and telling them they're not allowed to leave until they paint an apple; will get a painting, but it won't necessarily be what you asked for.It's shockingly easy the degree to which LLMs can be made to make increasingly certain and absolute statements about completely nonsensical or false things, so I don't know why so many people are willing to just take whatever a model shits out as the gospel truth.
>>544142593Even if that's true - what's kvetching going to do?The AI genie is not going back in the bottle.
>>544150770>The AI genie is not going back in the bottle.No, but you can at least try to encourage people to make thoughtful and well-reasoned wishes and skeptically investigate the results instead of just impulsively screeching>I WISH FOR A MILLION BUCKS!and getting trampled to death by male deer.
>>544150740>But AI just brute forces solutions (which may or may not be valid)If there's not a formal proof, then it's not a solution is it. So I don't get what you mean.
>>544140074>Learn to codeLearn to be a union public school teacher in a blue state. My cousin retired a few years ago, from "teaching" retards, and his pension - his fucking pension - is $115k. These fags work essentially part time, get all the bennies on taxpayer dime, and can't be fired and are essentially drawing welfare and AI will not come for protected unionized make work roles.
>>544150204>AI does not create new techniques or insights. It just brute forces a solution based on existing techniques.Humans do the same thing all the time and we are praised up and down, medals are handed out, money is exchanged, and ai does create results, techniques or whatever you wanna call it that is not specifically in its training data. This is a key point that people leave out, yet thats exactly how we do it, just a lot less lazy , like the anon above said, was he ever trying to solve it? Who knows. Maybe we are really a bunch of idiots and nothing there to expose it.
>>544150770not much that can be done, thinking man's jobs are over.everyone's going to be doing slave tier manual labor jobs unless they actively own the companies that produce AIit's going to be a wealthy elite club over a bunch of slaves unless we have a french revolution style revolt.But that revolt will be so catastrophic that nobody will want to start it until the situation is literally starve or murder billionaires.
>>544149459found the kike
>>544139975>literal who>200 repliesbravo reddit
>>544139975I understand artists disliking AI in most respects I do NOT understand fucking ANYONE ELSE bitching. Like what the fuck do you mean you're SAD that AI is moving your field ahead by leaps and bounds, or fully solving it, and you're fucking SAD? I thought science was about the pursuit of new knowledge so that humanity can progress, not just your personal satisfaction from solving a problem.>NOOOOO HUMANITY SO PROGRESS AT THE SAME SPEED FOREVER SO I GET THE CHANCE TO DO MY BESPOKE HUMAN RESEARCH>WHERE'S THE MEANING IN MATH IF A ROBOT DID IT?!>WHAT GOOD IS A CURE FOR CANCER IF IT'S FUCKING AI SLOP?!Honestly kill these people.
>>544150994AI does not create new techniques. It applies existing techniques to new problems. But many of these problems are not about getting an answer but to stimulate the development of new mathematics. AI does not create new mathematics. If you just want the solution AI is a very useful tool, but in mathematics the journey is just if not more important that the destination.
>>544139975What the fuck is the point of his profession then? He should be celebrating that problems have been solved.
>>544149993People with behavioral problems think the rest of us "normies" don't want to scream at them then bash their heads in. We just learned to control ourselves. There are some legit autists out there but 99% of the people claiming to be neurodivergent are just self-absorbed assholes that never learned to control themselves. Its usually a combination of never being held accountable, dunning-kruger effect, and some degree of self-centeredness without regard for others.
>>544140107Learn to do double entry accounting.
>>544140107>the field of mathematics is NOT primarily about mathematics, it is about humanity, it is about philosophy, it is about theory of mind.FUCKKKKKKKKKKK clown show fucks like you.
They'll be stuck trying to understand the AI's proof, because it can't explain them properly. As mathematicians they can't afford to ignore the digital mind.
>>544149993>>544151294NPC faggots. "Normal" is relative - people from 150 years ago would be horrified to see the indignities the cattle-like masses have been acclimatized through via boiled frog paradigm methods. Accepting a sick society means you are sick yourself.
>>544150204If that can be done then there wasn't a problem to begin with, there was just a retarded and fake field full of non-issues.
>>544151279Developing new methods of solving problems that existing methods are poorly suited to solve or incapable of solving.If Newtonian mechanics works, why then is there Lagrangian mechanics or Hamiltonian mechanics? Because many problems are not straightforward to solve with Newtonian mechanics. If a drag force is a nonlinear function of an object's motion through a medium, why then are polynomial approximations used? Because any smooth function can be approximated as a polynomial series expansion to small values of the dependent variable and this approximation allows for dynamics to be modeled within useful regimes of motion. etc.
>>544151470>babbys first philosophical rhetoric postYawn. As if you have to be a slave to your emotional state 24/7 to realize society isn't perfect.
>>544151760>As if you have to be a slave to your emotional state 24/7That describes NPCs tho...you know, the ones who hire people based on neurotic concepts like "non verbal cues" and how well they act like fellow NPCs and meltdown if someone doesn't ape said over socialized, feminine melodrama. Funny shit.
>>544151975You made all that up in your head as a justification for why you don't feel as though you are treated fairly when the reality is you're an obnoxious, self-absorbed cunt who can't into introspection. A literal slave to your emotions lashing out at people that learned to regulate themselves. Git gud, faggot.
Kurt Godel claimed that his own results in logical incompleteness serve to prove that the human mind exceeds and machine. His colleague Hao Wang discussed this a bit in "Recollections of Kurt Godel". AI, as mentioned, are not creating new ideas out of nothing, as the human mind might channel ideas from the ether in breakthrough moments - an interesting phenomena perhaps predicated on being a non-computable property of biological neurology as per Penrose & Hameroff.
>>544152156>the NPC cries out in pain as it stabs at youFunny shit!
>>544152212>you're an NPC reeeeeeGrow up, fag.
>>544139975Reading it fills me with childlike joy. I love the sight of the useless intellectuals high on their delusions of grandeur getting a brutal reality check.
>>544152295Thanks for the QED on my proof of NPC drama. Literally the feminine mind in action - you have it, all such drones have it.
>>544139975Wouldn't (((they))) create bullshit jobs to keep us pacified and busy until we're dead?
>>544139975The cozy life of academic parasites is over. AHAHAHAHAHA SUFFERRRRR
>>544152346>gaymurs rise upGet a job, Taylyn.
>>544152370>Wouldn't (((they))) create bullshit jobs to keep us pacified and busy until we're dead?Most white collar office jobs are bullshit jobs, welfare to support otherwise useless NPCs with token activities like emailing and powerpoints as "work". LLM can do all this easily. So very interesting to see if the powers that be want to simply genocide this artificial middle class for...resaons. Like a bored kid throwing an ant farm into the trash.
>>544140074Learn to mine coal
>>544150740Formal proofs are algorithmically verifiable. Software for that purpose has been around, accepted, used extensively long before AI. I don't actually know - I don't follow these developments - if AI proofs discussed here are formal. But if they are, there's zero trust required to accept them as valid.
>>544151629That's incorrect, it would have been possible to brute force many of the older problems that resulted in new techniques
>>544152900literally where humans are being pushed to, mining and agriculture jobs. Even trades will get overflooded quickly but the coal mines will always need more expendable bodies willing to mine coal for minimum wage!Gotta power those data centers!
>>544153085>coal minesYou missed the memo. Nuclear is back on the menu.>tradesWho's going to have the money to pay a tradie>agriculture Machines have been doing that for 100 years. They're really good and you can just automate modern combines to work using gps fencing.
>all information and technology is now gatekept by AI>how will people afford to use AI if they don't have jobs?buy guns and ammo now while there's still timethis won't end well
>>544153276they'll still use coal fired plants too.we haven't built a new nuclear plant in some time
>>544150740>It's shockingly easy the degree to which LLMs can be made to make increasingly certain and absolute statements about completely nonsensical or false things
>>544139975The big AI labs have been stealing people's breakthroughs for years now. You think the retarded jeets and Jews they hired made any of these advancements? No everyone else did the heavy lifting they just put a bow on it and sold it.
>>544139975>wiped out my field of researchHmmm... but what if 7 instead of 8? This will take years of research and millions in grants to research. Fuck off.
>>544140107good, accelerate, faggot
What a fucking faggot queer nigger. >I studied hard in some stupid bullshit and I deserve moneyThis is all that is. He should be overjoyed by his field getting expanded with new technology. Instead he’s crying about his Jew gold. Knee pads FAGGOT.Hope he loses everything and has to live with niggers
>>544152943>Formal proofs are algorithmically verifiable.Somewhat, it takes time and there are generally large parts of it can't be done simply through software. These AI companies are posting ~million-line proof papers on twitter or on their marketing pages and then when mathematicians can't go through them in 24 hours to find any problems they go>Oop! Guess you mathies don't have a response! AI wins again! Give us money!I've reviewed physics papers before and even going through a 10-20 page experimental paper takes me a couple weeks to look through the methodology, the apparatus, the models they're using for their analysis, and the results and conclusion they're asserting based on them to verify whether it all looks on the level or whether there's some serious oversight or flaw in their approach or even if there's just suggestions on how they could more clearly present their data to make their conclusions more obvious, etc. And that's if I have nothing else major on my plate.If your model shits out hundreds of pages of math it's gonna take several weeks or more for someone who knows what they're doing to go through it all and make sure that everything checks out.
>>544152943Simply providing a proof that is valid does not mean its useful or even has any correspondence to the actual problem. If the proof is nonsense, it does not matter if its valid.
>>544139975>field of research wiped outIs this not a good thing if the field gets solved? Also research never truly goes away, the clue is in the name>re>searchYou re-search what other people have done and apply it in different ways or extend it. What will happen (not quite yet because the LLM context windows are too shit to do it cheaply) is that you won't have to search other peoples shit, you will be free to think what comes next and get instant research on the other people's work. The ONLY problems with this is not training foundations properly and niggerfying your populations brains or giving the LLMs free reign, because they wont output anything worthwhile and you'll fuck decades of thought.
>>544155745it can get to a point where AI is doing all the future mathematical research because human mathematicians won't even understand the proofs that AI gives, they'll only know that the proofs and math the AI gives out will have predictive quality making it "work" in application.It'll be like the Dark Ages where most people couldn't read, only a small class of priests and scholars who could read Latin disseminated their theology to them, they couldn't read the bible themselves to doublecheck anything, so they just accepted what their priests told them it said. They lacked the skill to verify it for themselves.When the printing press came out and they started printing more books, more people could read and lo and behold, the theology fed to them by the Catholic Church didn't line up with what was in the book.But in this case, once AI starts giving us proofs that are beyond our ability to figure out and double check, how are we going to determine if AI is wrong or not? It'll supercede human intelligence in math.
>>544143546lmao
>>544139975Surprised there isnt more AI talk here on /pol/.Its now obvious since a few days ago that AI did not plateau and is now super intelligent.All jobs are going to fall, our civilization is going to fall, humans are done.
>>544140720> how is this stopping you to innovate or think?no one said it is brainletthey are saying no one will need to you think or innovateno one will care about your thoughts
>>544142419If you want to be the wizard in the tower expect to have to have some deliverables or you're going to find the peasants stop sending you tribute and some merchant is going to scope your grift.
>>544140107I'm glad that these pretentious bookworms are getting shoah'd by their own hubris.>Automation will replace blue collar grunt work so that we can all read books and draw and philosofag all day!
>>544151294Everyone who isnt brain damaged by our vile society sees through fags like you.
>>544139975Math geniuses are peak midwit. If SI solves all your math problems just write new math problems, retard.
