Orwell the guy who wrote Animal Farm was a lifelong Socialist.
>>544145973Aren't we all?
>>544145973Because only Amerimutt snowflakes think that "ewwww socialism means authoritarianism"
>>544145973Yeah he knew exactly the problem with it, that it becomes capitalism as soon as the comrades get power
>>544145973Socialism is for the enlightened
>>544145973The pigs were an allegory for Jews. Fact.
>>544145973He based 1984 on his experiences with the Soviet Union
>>544147488why do christkikes want to mislead people that jews hate christianity lmaoyou're the number one zionist force on the planetstop fucking lying
>>544145973No fucking shit, OP. Is this your first day of middle school or something?
>>544147488Jews created jewsus. Shalom Rabbi
>>544145973I happen to be something of a socialist myself.
>>544147453It took 74 years for the Soviet Union to become capitalist after the comrades took power.It was a proletariat dictatorship before that, straight from the Marx playbook.Orwell didn't read Marx or thought that the word dictatorship didn't mean a real dictatorship. Typical leftist mindset.
>>544147490is that why they call him anti-semitic?
>>544147488"Jesus" was a hebrew Rabbi. The Bible was a Jewish fictional yarn of the day for local middle easterners. The only reason it got out was because the romans realised they could use it as a form of control.
>>544145973Yes that’s why we’re NatSoc, to protect us from the evils of Marxism
>>544145973National Socialist?
>>544145973And glowie.>In 1948 Conquest joined the Foreign Office's Information Research Department (IRD), a "propaganda counter-offensive" unit created by the Labour Attlee government in order to "collect and summarize reliable information about Soviet and communist misdoings, to disseminate it to friendly journalists, politicians, and trade unionists, and to support, financially and otherwise, anticommunist publications." The IRD was also engaged in manipulating public opinion>Conquest at the IRD was remembered as a "brilliant, arrogant" figure who had 10 people reporting to him. He continued to work at the Foreign Office until 1956, becoming increasingly involved in the intellectual counter-offensive against communism>In 1949 Conquest’s assistant, Celia Kirwan (later Celia Goodman), approached George Orwell for information to help identify Soviet sympathisers. Orwell's list, discovered after her death in 2002, included Guardian and Observer journalists, as well as E. H. Carr and Charlie Chaplin. Conquest, like Orwell, fell for the beautiful Celia Kirwan, who inspired him to write several poems. One of his foreign office colleagues was Alan Maclean, brother of Donald Maclean, one of the Philby spy ring, who fled to Russia with Guy Burgess in 1951. When his brother defected, Alan resigned, and went to Macmillan and published a book of Conquest's poems. At the IRD Conquest wrote various papers which sowed the seeds for his later workHe denounced the Negro actor Paul Robeson as "very anti-white" to the IRD, hue. The most famous British socialist, who fought alongside the Masonic/Atheist Spanish Republican regime that persecuted, killed, and raped Catholics along with anarchists, called a black actor "anti-white". Let that sink in.
>>544145973He was a British intelligence asset who was tasked with compiling a list of other artists that he deemed to have actual socialist leanings. His two most famous books are full blown anti-socialist propaganda. He was a "socialist" the same way the woke freaks of today are "socialists". They'll speak at length about helping the poor and social justice but when push comes to shove they will condemn actual socialism as it exists in the real world (they hate Stalin, the USSR, modern day China ect.).
>>544148523Marcuse before Marcuse.
>>544145973Orwell hated commies after witnessing the retarded way they acted in the Spanish civil war.
>>544148420He fought in a war so that means he doesn’t get an opinion if a nigger actor who hates White people in fact hates White people?
>>544148420Based, somehow the huemonkey is the smartest itt
>>544145973He was a turbo glowie.
>>544148357>hebrewLmao.
>>544148204The politburo hogged resources for profit that's capitalism
>>544148678Orwell's anarchist friends were the ones systemically raping nuns and priests tho.
>>544145973He also wrote Brave New World, a story about a society that had been genetically engineered to be passive, unthinking golems lacking even the concepts of "freedom" or "rebellion".But you never read that one.
>>544148678He hated commies because fought alongside the Trotskyist faction and it was the USSR and Spanish Stalinist faction who sabotaged the Second Spanish Republic to lose to the Nationalist Band.>>544148729That's a rhetorical commentary directed to libtards, you fool. He was a two-faced/double moralist like them. >In his famous nonfiction essay Marrakech (1939), written after a stay in North Africa, Orwell starkly exposed how European colonialism relied on the invisibility and dehumanization of local peoples (Arabs, Blacks, and Jews). He openly criticized the colonialist mentality that treated Africans and North Africans as mere components of the landscape or cheap labor, and not as individuals possessing human rights>During World War II, in his political manifesto The Lion and the Unicorn (1941), Orwell proposed a reform plan for the British Empire. In it, he advocated for the formation of an Imperial General Council in which "people of color" (which explicitly included African and Indian populations under British rule) should be formally represented. He also demanded the immediate end of colonial status for territories such as India
>>544145973Why did britsissies name their news after BIG BLACK COCK?
>>544149431>(((Trotskyist)))
>>544145973He believed in helping the people of his country, not giving migrants free shit. You’re supposed to look out for people that are genetically similar to you. Fucking trees do this. What isn’t natural is outsourcing all of your jobs to the third world because it’s cheaper than paying your people a livable wage. >Orwell believed in having a social safety net for Britons. >That communist piece of shit!!!Boomers are the bigger proponents of communism. Social Security is essentially boomer luxury communism. They fleece the younger generations who struggle to make ends meet to pay for their Silverado.
Yeah, Trotskyists were not very fond of the Soviet Union in the 1940s.
>>544145973i'm somewhat of a lifelong socialist myself
>>544145973The Socialist guy who wrote Farm Orwell was a lifelong animal.
>>544149431Yes it sounds like he was extremely based. It’s very likely a person back then might have disliked the colonialism bullshit while recognizing it was the force bringing shitskins to Europe who just hate ethnic Europeans anyway
>>544148678Orwell hated a lot of people. He hated working for the BBC so much during WW2 that when he thought of a name for a room with the worst imaginable kind of torture in it, he named it Room 101, after the studio broadcast room he read the news from.
>>544149527Extremely based.
>>544149172Nah he was just naive.He kept trying to fight for "socialism" and every time he did he would encounter complete lunatics.Fought in the Spanish civil war, where the leftists were just looters and anarchists who hated Spain.Fabians tried to recruit him, he was on board until he realised they were suspiciously well-funded authoritarians who admired the revolutionary Russia that was sending millions to die in slave labour camps.Somewhere in Orwell's head there was a socialism that actually worked but I think he eventually realised it would never leave his head.
>>544149527It's the throw pillows that really tie it together.
>>544149342>He also wrote Brave New World
>>544149342that was aldous huxley you nigger ape
>>544149342Anon... Huxley wrote that.
>>544147488I've heard jews telling me to go to church but I've never heard jews telling me to join the nazis. What's up with that?
>>544150022
>>544149342KEK
>>544150022You’ll never have Nazis knocking on your door at 8 am on a Saturday to inform you of the boys of joining them
>>544149686The entire capitalism vs communism dialectic is a materialistic and thus inherently jewish paradigm
Socialism at the time was not a term intentionally poisoned by communists and the monetary elite. It literally just means "someone who thinks the state has a duty to use its resources to make society better". It seems stupid to reiterate, but for the benefit of the retarded, "Nazi" is literally just a shortening of National Socialists. A socialist is the opposite of a laissez-fair capitalist, not necessarily a leftist.
A relative of mine was a close friend of Orwell's (he's actually the basis for the protagonist in "Keep the Aspidistra Flying") and the OP is being somewhat disingenuous, here.But then again, this is /pol/ and it's rare to see informed debate from those who start threads.
>>544145973Yes, and? Anybody, actually most people have valid insights into something and then rest of their opinions might not be perfect. Being able to only either completely absorb/reject a persons worldview as a whole and everything else they stand for is one of the biggest signs of turbo midwittery. If you are not retarded you can be a leftie and concede some points to Rothbard or something and you can be an actual nazi and agree with Marx on some things (on quite a lot actually).Orwell also criticized the republicans about their systematic atrocities the republican side commited on clergy which is not something a true believer socialist would do. Also he noted that the word fascist has lost its meaning and retards are using it label anybody who they dont like - pointing this is out is considered a right wing take nowadays.So he isnt perfect by optics of either side but hes got some valid points.
>>544145973He made up his mistake by writing his books.
>>544148357They were just priests at that time. Rabbis are a later invention and are the source of the Talmud, which is just endless bitching and arguing by the rabbis about how Jews should act.
>>544150759corrected his mistake*
>>544145973Are you happy with what capitalism has done to our societies? replacing us with Indians and Africans? meanwhile countries untouched by capitalism are completely homogenous.
>>544149686Shalom.
>>544145973Farmer = MonarchPigs = CapitalistsHorse = ProletariatFarm = The State>>544147490 although true, jews are just centerpiece of this kabbal
>>544150146Fun fact: The Scofield Bible was published British institutions as a tool of control.
>>544149342dude weed lmaoAnyway your heart's in the right spot and that's what countsAlso what counts is that Orwell was anti-authoritarian and anti-totalitarian and socialism/communism can be nothing other than.Even if he never arrived at that conclusion, as some anarcho-socialists do, there has literally never been a case of socialism not resulting in communism and totalitarianism or even fascism (China good example of both totalitarianism and fascism). Because it doesn't exist in a vacuum and socialism ignores human nature and will it would always need to institutionalize a tyrannical government regime that enforces it in a top-down fashion, and it can never be democratic because it's too unnatural to not be voted out by non-socialist, non-communist parties.It also always results in simple dictatorship by "elites" as it always has, in EVERY single example of socialist/commie rule in history. Literally 100 million people or more died and were murdered to bestow us with the result of these "experiments" and only fools ignore the lessons of history.
>>544151412Commies cope with this by shifting the blame onto the Leninist theory of the Vanguard. According to this theory, the working class supposedly lacked sufficient class consciousness or a revolutionary mindset, necessitating an elite of professional revolutionaries to lead it, however, the dissonance between the level of consciousness of this state apparatus and that of the masses inevitably bred authoritarianism and totalitarianism, as the masses lacked the moral standing to challenge the Vanguard that imposed ideology upon them from above. The only ones who attempted to break with this model were the council communists, who advocated for the direct self-management of the means of production through soviets and workers' councils, eschewing a centralized vanguard party. Yet this never succeeded because, in practice, these councils proved incapable of coordinating a complex economy on a national scale, they were rapidly infiltrated, fragmented, or crushed by more organized and centralized forces, while the absence of an efficient coercive structure left them vulnerable to both internal sabotage and the need for authoritarian improvisation during crises, precisely what human nature and historical reality have always demanded.
>>544151412Every single society in human history has been "authoritarian". There is no such thing as a genuine anarchist or libertarian state. Someone will always weild authority, the only question is who weilds it and how they do so. Most of Orwell's frwr mongering criticisms of the USSR in 1984 apply every bit as much to modern "liberal democracies" if not more so. We are being mass surveilled, entrapped in endless wars and indoctrinated to such a point that there's no need for "memory hole" to dispose of censored information with, we merely choose to forget that the offending facts were ever revealed to us in the first place.
>>544148420>>544152401I hate it when my IP address changes because of mobile data.
>>544152401>>544152479Fun Fact: That wasn't her body.>Scientific evidence has proven that the body buried in the Friedrichsfelde Cemetery in Berlin belongs to another woman, not Rosa Luxemburg. The historical ruse was exposed in 2009>The true status and whereabouts of the corpse became a major mystery when, in 2009, Michael Tsokos, head of Berlin’s Charité Hospital Institute of Forensic Medicine, discovered a mummified body, missing its head, hands, and feet, in the hospital’s basement. This mysterious body, which had been recovered from the water around the same time, displayed in the torso the exact injuries caused by militia beatings, as well as the specific bone shortening that matched the revolutionary's anatomy. Subsequent examinations indicated that the body buried in 1919 likely belonged to a different female drowning victim>Following Rosa Luxemburg's assassination in January 1919, Berlin faced months of instability, violent urban clashes between communists and government militias, and international speculation about the leader's disappearance. Under intense military pressure, the authorities needed to "bury the matter" as quickly as possible, therefore, when a random drowned woman was recovered from the same canal, forensic doctors were coerced into falsifying the report and declaring that it was Rosa Luxemburg>The German Social Democratic government and the military officially announced Rosa Luxemburg's death through a deliberate lie to cover up her execution, claiming to the press that she had been lynched by an angry mob. According to the fabricated official version, the military vehicle transporting her was surrounded by enraged civilians, at which point Rosa was allegedly beaten and taken away by unknown individuals, simultaneously, they claimed that her companion, Karl Liebknecht, had been shot "while trying to escape"
>>544152401>>544152404Commie shills also always assume the whole wide world is just going magically turn socialist at the exact same time and everyone will live merrily and happily ever after and nobody invades another country because we'd all be comrades.It's literally fairytale-tier wishful thinking and delusion.
>>544147382Orwell was an anti-stalinist and an anti-trotskyist, which in the 1940s socialist scene was about as "not like the other girls" as you could get.
>>544145973Eric blarn of George benard shaw
>>544145973COMMUNISM IS THE WORST
>>544145973CAPITALISM IS THE BEST
>>544145973And Americans are the one following it like a religion. The pig is in charge.
>>544145973He was a socialist who hated Soviet Union
>>544147593Specifically he based it on his first hand experience dealing with the POUM and Soviet backed communists during the Spanish civil war
>>544145973Which meant what at the time? That diseased word, just like capitalism or communism, has changed meanings over time and each system only benefits one sector. The top .1% of financial society. So who fucking cares what some jerk off thought of a word X years ago. Nothing changes until the rich are in fear of their lives everyday from a barrage of unrepresented humanity digging through steel and concrete to set fire inside their bunkers. >some nigger kike was an X his whole lifeStfu xD
>>544149287 Bullshit. They had infinite power, but their personal properties were not impressive.Ceausescu built gigantic palaces, but his private premises there were modest.
>>544147593which is why >>544145973 is bullshit
>>544145973Yeah... I'm pretty sure Orwell isn't the problem.
>>544145973Orwell wrote fiction.I guess it hits the mark.
>>544147488jews love them both, cant have christianity, without judaism, cant have holocaust without hitlerbut, of course, you actually know that, kike
>>544147488Socialism is for the enwhitened.
>>544150146While it's true (I believe) that dispensationalism is not an infallible interpretation, American evangelicals generally believe in a future tribulation and 1,000 year reign of Christ; the church gets raptured before the seven year tribulation starts. A remnant of Jews and gentiles will convert and be saved during that time.Orthodox, Catholics, and many Protestant denominations generally believe and practice an allegorical-focused reconstructionism or active restoration - your job as a Christian is to create heaven on earth. Revelation is thought to mostly describe events of the first century.It makes more sense that Revelation is a future prophecy, at least to me.It is wrong to label the Scofield Bible as being zionist propaganda; this argument has abounded in the last seven years while geopolitics are being steadily hammered and destabilized.
>>544159597Shut up retard.
>>544159804lolGood luck with that.What do you believe?
>>544160040Moot. I simply noticed how inane the content of your post was and advised you to be quiet. I'm sure these sorts of things seem very important to you but I promise you, they aren't. Get a job, pay some bills, then come back and tell me about life.
>>544160118Ah, I see. You are projecting your faults on the site, as usual?If you don't even know what you think is true on that point, then how do you know it's retarded? I've read through some of the notes, seen the trends, and won't be brought along on the propaganda train demonizing American evangelicals as supporting everything the state of israel does in some one-for-one way.Now that they're there? I do support the Hebrew's right to exist in the land that God blessed them with. They are historically the most persecuted, so it's good there is a home for the diaspora where they can live without pogroms or persecution.
>>544160670You're doing it again.
>>544161045Do you have a thought or opinion on the matter? or you will continue to nitpick like a hag?
>>544145973And yet he was critical of the Soviet Union. In the Spanish civil war he fought for the OTHER communist army, the truly Marxist, non-russian one. It's almost like he was smart and could comprehend nuance and actually studied what shit meant instead of being brainwashed by lists with agendas.Go figure.
>>544152404Didn't actually read the book eh?It's ok you're far from alone
>>544145973That's why you know about Animal Farm, retard. They wouldn't promote a fascist's book.
>>544162503Or he was just 160 IQ and knew Fabians would win the UK and LARPed to get his warning out into the world for future generations to heed. But that would be mad.
