Thoughts on the "berserker mode" theory of American diplomacy?
>>544158547cope for being shit at wardiverse societies are weak and gay jews can't rule iran has an avg IQ of 107 and the us is 98 that's why iran easily won simple aseverything else is cope
Drones and cheap electronics have massively leveled the playing field.
>>544158547Y'all ain't ready for berserker mode. It is real.
>>544158855vietnam
>>544158777more cope the iranians would have won without drones as wellthe bottom line is western society is dumber now because of diversity and jewish rule, so when going up against persians with their higher avg IQ to a diverse west the persians win same idea with chinawhen you see comparable IQ levels like ukraine and russia they are at a stalemate, despite the technological advantage of russia drones are just a tool of war, they aren't going to allow a retarded kike controlled west win a war against an intellectually superior society the only time that is even possible is if they drastically outnumber them
>>544158855GOD OF WAR HEGSETH will unleash the WARFIGHTERS and woke tranny islamists will crumble...
>>544158547Kek it do be like that.Mutts think modern warfare is solved by excessive brutality and fanatical dedication , thinking that from the farted-in seats under their 200lbs carcasses surrounded from a safe continent surrounded by oceans on all sides
>>544158547Its a cope, same way russia copes that it will win "once the gloves come off". Death to empires
>>544158777>Drones and cheap electronics have massively leveled the playing field.Yes...but not nearly as much as some people seem to think. We have AI-augmented the best satellite surveillance system on Earth, making it even better, and while it's absolutely certain that drones can get the offensive drop in certain LOCALIZED environments, overall nothing can provide a defense against retaliatory intel+ballistic/cruise missiles.
You can in theory send out Minutemen on the capital and destroy the entire iranian government. It wouldn't happen but it can be done.
>>544158547it's called a nuclear bomb, and we have more of them than anyone (by a lot)
>>544158926>282,000 US deaths>1.4 million Vietnamese deathswe won
>>544158547that would just kill americans faster
>>544159577Someone tell the Soviets they lost WW2
>>544159577You lost though. If the objective was to go in and murder civilians then yea but communism won.
>>544159074It's a cope but Russia really fights with gloves on, Zelenski admitted it himself last week when he said that Putin removed all limits.The difference to US is that Cucktin is that much of moralfagging cuck
>>544159080>muh sattelites Their capabilities are exaggerated. There are many ways of concealing troops, military assets, and vehicles from them.
>>544159623>communism wonimagine being gay and retarded enough to type this
>>544158855>It is real>>in my mind, it was real...
Lot of Americans are the equivalent to Hegfaggot when it comes to le military. Pounding their chests is the only thing they know how to do
>>544159727>zoomerin the 20th or 21st century what major war did the U.S win without us hand holding you?
>>544159024This news anchors guy with these embarrassing tattoos like a cougar mom in her late 50s?
>>544159754It’s part of your soft powerIn reality, your military is quite mediocre.
>>544158926LmaoVietnam was the opposite of berserker mode.
>>544158547>the gloves are coming offits crazy how similar americans are to russians in so many ways
>>544158547
>>544159809you literally received the most amount of gibs from the amerilards of any nation during ww2
>>544159859>we could've gone berserker mode in vietnam we just didn'tlmao
>>544159893Russia. How many gibs you getting at the moment? Lucky we even created you.
>>544159754>equivalent to HegfaggotTerrible nickname
>>544158547The answer was to disable Tehran's water supply (a half dozen dams of which 5 were already empty) and miles of fragile pipeline. Having zero water puts a hard time limit on coming to terms. Just needed some lawyers on it, and USA is suing the ICC anyway so no warcrime.Might be too late now, the rains come in November. Iran was already considering relocating the capital due to water supply problems and earthquakes.
>>544159926no it was not russia it was you, the uk
>>544160035I wasn't saying Russia received the most i was directing at you by calling you Russia. Since you're the Russian fag with a Israeli fag that lurks this board. Also notice how you never answered my original question?
>>544159607The British accomplished the original objective: Cripple the Russian Empire and destroy the Germans. Both were rising powers while the British was losing its grip on power. BUT the British aren't done and the Great Game is still going, which is entirely what the Ukrainian War is about. It was so obvious to anyone paying attention when a ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine was nearly made shortly after the war began... until Boris Johnson threatened Zelenskyy if he agreed.
>>544158855NUKE EM'
>>544158547>Thoughts on the "berserker mode" theory of American diplomacy?this is one of the deepest most diseased propaganda poison-pills in the American psyche:>Most Americans have this notion that the US has several secret cashes of extremely powerful and completely unknow weapon systems that they can use at any moment to defeat any enemy.this is unironically true, sadly^I have a peak redditcore lolbert friend who honestly, almost childishly holds the firmly convicted belief that (I am not being an ironic /k/ike poster her) that the US is 50+ years ahead of Russia and China, and that the US has "rods from God", "stealth jets we've never seen before" and a bunch of alienware we keep as the "ace-in-the-hole" for "when we really need to get serious"he unironically and with conviction believes the US could desert storm both China and Russia solo, we just simply dont do it because China is "a country of souless chink bugs" and Russia is "a drunk commie backwater with no flushing toilets or electricity populated by 'slavs' and Iran is a mountain shitholenone of this hyperbole, and I wouldnt firmly place him in the 'normie'redd1t' spherebut 85% or more of normies believe with absolute life-betting conviction the US has giga-weapons behind closed doors it mercifully does NOT use on the soulless-bug-durka masses of the world out of .....pity or something? i have no clue what that end of their rationale is, but i repeat they DO actually believe this horse shit, with every ounce of their beingto even challenge it causes them physical frustration and distress
>>544160103>answered my original questionyou literally started whataboutisming, retardoi never argued we dont receive gibs
>>544158547I love how people who never wore a fucking uniform and never saw a United States firepower demonstration are ALWAYS experts on the American military. We could with no issue at all turn every single country we use our military in into a smoldering ruin. the REASON we don't is because we are trying to not upset other countries, We spend more on our military than the next 10 countries but somehow the asshole who posted this tweet seems to think that means nothing. We could destroy every major country on the planet without anybody even leaving their seats using multiple trident missiles fired out of submarines, Each missile has like 24 warheads on it. There are at least a dozen on every submarine.
>>544159625How long do you think itd take putin to take germany, 1 day or 2? Its pretty pathetic compared to Russia.
>>544158547A bunch of nerds that never played a sport don't understand that coping doesn't achieve anything. It's best to be honest about why you lost and train harder and improve. All of these jewish girls don't know shit about real world man shit. They don't know about resentment free competition. They don't know about war. They don't know about boats. They are all gay jewish nerds will thin necks. >We place tremendous value on the lives of our troops. Lol. Go fuck yourself. 20% of the male homeless population are veterans. When we think of trauma, we don't think of veterans of war. We think of some roasite child murderer. Hell, we never even gave them a parade after Iraq.
>>544160233>i don't do whataboutism>does whataboutism by talking about gibscan tell you're russian dipshit nigger.
>>544158693>>544158693Iran won? That's odd I didn't see one Iranian missile hit anywhere in America. Get the fuck off my border you parasitical piece of shit and go back to India where you belong you fraudulent cunt.
>>544158777 (checked)Back in 2002 the US military wargamed it, and Iran won within 10 minutes, sans drones.
>>544158547>thoughtsnuclear bombs work
>>544158547>censoring niggado you shills all have a gigantic stick stuck up your ass or your boss don't allow you to say no-no words on fucking 4chan?
>>544160020At that point what incentive do they have not to start dropping dirty nukes on Tel Aviv?
>>544158926We didn't drop one fucking nuke in Vietnam, asshole. And you are so fucking stupid America wasn't in Vietnam to win we were there to waste money to enrich the people involved in the defense industry. As have been ALL wars America has been involved in post WWII.
>>544160486You are so mad they shat on all our bases, arent you? They are not coming back either
>>544160667>we wasn't there to go berserker mode it was for money!kek
>>544160667>we didnt even want to win! If we lose, its becuase we planned to. I know this becuase we didnt go berserker mode.
>>544159809All of them? You were empire #2 by the time wwii started, it wasn't our business anyway. We got the ick from all the sad pleading so we did come over and settle things. In 2026 zoomers say we were late because you just don't know any better.
>>544159056>German twink thinks being 6'2 200 lbs is comically overweight Yeah we get it, you eat leaves and stems, wear skin tight jumpsuits on your bicycle, and get humped by one of the millions of brown subhumans invading your country on the regular
>>544160802which major wars cmon tell me.
>>544160802War is just musical chairs for bankers
>>544160743I can tell immediately you never spent one fucking second in a military uniform you fucking coward. But you will pretend to know everything about the military and warfare.
>>544158547>Sorry, I went a little Berserk (1997) back there
>>544160898Just tell me this, did we plan to lose the bases? Is this 5d chess?
>>544160401you dont need to be a soldier to notice that you have lost the iran war
>>544158952You're right, but the other major consideration is home field advantage in the middle east. The Iranians have had 40 years and Iraq and Afghanistan as examples to prepare for and counter our military doctrine. They're literally dug in all over their huge mountainous country, so deep that bombs we designed specifically to penetrate fortified positions don't work. With contingencies in place for when our air superiority, such as it is because their air defense and anti-ship hypersonics are a real threat, manages to take out one or even several of their leaders. Their people are unified in their hatred of Israel, whom they understand is guiding and provoking the war, and see it as a struggle between good and literal Satanic evil. Retreat isn't an option because they have nowhere else to go, and surrender would lead to a fate worse than death.Meanwhile, our fighting force, in addition to being lower quality because of prioritizing diversity over combat effectiveness, are mostly mercenary debt slaves. As much as our leaders would love for us to believe that we're in a similar struggle between ontological good and evil, the vast majority of our military are fighting to pay their ridiculous bills, have no idea why we're fighting Iran, and will receive no benefit, material or otherwise, for fighting them even if they knew.
>>544158547It sounds like a generation raised on Dragon Ball, but somehow managing to take none of the good values of that series into their hearts.
>Can you understand I made a whitty reddit quip? >Yeah that means you win.It's literally that simple and they think this is a real argument, we don't allow boots on the ground so they call normal war that we've fought for literal decades at a time "berserker mode" in an effort to get reddit updoots.
>>544160866You want me to cite a bigger war than wwii? Guess you got me there friend.
>>544160401>we could turn the world into a smoldering shitpile So can Russia, so can China.
>>544160466>uhhh we held your hands>uhhh no nigger they held yours>>you're doing whataboutism!!!!o-ok
>>544161162maybe try reading what i wrote first, what major war has the u.s won in the 20th or 21st century without having it's hand held.
>>544159074This is it pretty much.The empire has lost its core identity and we can't do boots on the ground without a lost election, if anyone DOES do that they lose an election and cause a decade of public backlash.OOPS, you should have supported your base instead of constantly looking for more and better things in search of profit, turns out the value in your empire was that its people were trustworthy, industrious, and intelligent. You did not actually extract any value from barbarians, your value was your people that you have now neglected for decades.It has nothing to do with troonshit "berserker mode", which is a meaningless buzzoword. Nobody involved in the OP conversation understands that so many white men are uninterested in zog wars that we cannot deploy boots on the ground now. (something that was done for literally every other war in all of human history.)
>>544161235>russian trying to get into the threadDonbas year 5 retard kill yourself lmao
>>544160975We evacuated them pre war retard. Iran lost.
>>544161340>we didn't need them anyway once we go berserker mode
>>544158693Berserkers are known for their high IQ, aye?
>>544158547>haha ok so youre saying if you *fully* pull the trigger that I would just get shot? lolwhy does this guy think this is some gotcha? and why does he have thousands of likes?
>>544159859Vietnam was literally the most cucked war in American history, they were literally pulled back from doing anything in almost all cases. You literally were punished for opening fire on people firing at you.
>>544160798Wrong. Don't twist my words faggot. Never once in the 21st century has America gone all in on any fucking country, Delusional faggots like you aren't worth the calories I burn dragging my eyes across the monitor to read your post.
>>544161244In my first reply dumb ass. Stop being a credit theif, close the browser and focus on drinking
>>544161574do you know what hand holding means
>>544161523>all inThere is no such thing. There are strategic goals, and methods of achieving them. This is videogame bullshit.Nobody goes "all in" because it would mean a nuclear apocalypse.
>>544161038Dragon Ball nerds would recognize that the US are the Frieza Empire in this situation. This is more like a Call of Duty thing where the US are the good guys simply by virtue of being American and can't lose because they never do. Look at the guy crowing about winning Desert Storm, Iraqi Freedom, and Enduring Freedom. He can't tell you what any of the political objectives of those wars were or if the US achieved them because he doesn't know. The fact that we spent 20 years and hundreds of billions of dollars occupying Iraq and Afghanistan only to leave both in control of the enemy doesn't even occur to him. Not to mention all the bases we spent years building and maintaining in the region being blown to shit and evacuated.These people imagine war as some kind of simulation where each side's entire military charges at each other head on.
>>544158547Go ask Japan.
>>544159577You won what? You got in, lost 300k soldiers, got out.What, exactly, is this supposed prize you won by doing this?
>>544161278>mentions russia>self circuits itselflolweird bot
>>544158547most americans can't comprehend basic logic
>>544161842shut the fuck up russian diaspora faggot.
>>544158547>literal who desperately trying to make his joke the next big thing on twitteryikes
>>544158547The US military has refused to "sink to their level" since Vietnam. It's hard not to believe that they could win if they took the gloves off when your soldiers keep coming home and telling stories about being forbidden to engage men they knew were planting IEDs>>544158926The US had a successful counter VC operation that was shut down by congress for being too mean to the communists.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program
look ma, he did the thing!
>>544160569>Back in 2002 the US military wargamed it, and Iran won within 10 minutes, sans drones.Christ that fucking joke of a military sim was like boomer crack in how in infected the dumbest sections of society because the journalist didnt bother describing how much reality bending stuff Riper was doing.
>>544161340So yes we planned to. In fact, iran didnt even hit them. We blew them up ourselves after we evacuated so that Iran couldn't use them or something. Right?
>>544158547Its the same thing you've been hearing from Russians for four years as well.Combat effectiveness has only gone up and up with tech, yet some people will tell themselves that its all "soft" and that "we'd be stronger if we brutal-maxxed"Shift that to an actual war, and you get people who turn into Scrappy-Doo, endless shouting "LEMMEATTEM" and calling for war crimes.TL;DR its just degeneracy. (of the kind /pol/ tends to favor)
>>544158952>the bottom line is western society is dumber now because of diversity and jewish rule, so when going up against persians with their higher avg IQ to a diverse west the persians winThere's still a lot of high IQ white goyim who keep things running though, although the generals are genuine retards
>>544160898>i bet you've never even fought for banks or israel even ONCE
blumpf when "berserker mode" on little boy cocks on epsteins island
>>544158547America going berserk would just be it reverting back to its Manifest Destiny Frontier Thesis wild west days. It's a hell of a lot better than this Empire of Liberty White Man's Burden we got going on now.The Empire of Liberty is a theme developed first by Thomas Jefferson to identify the responsibility of the United States to spread freedom across the world. Jefferson saw the mission of the U.S. in terms of setting an example, expansion into western North America, and by intervention abroad.>The U.S. government decided instead to try to kill as many Indians as possible in what Sherman called the “final solution of the Indian problem” involved “killing hostile Indians and segregating their pauperized survivors in remote places.” “These men,” writes Fellman, “applied their shared ruthlessness, born of their Civil War experiences, against a people all three [men] despised. . . . Sherman’s overall policy was never accommodation and compromise, but vigorous war against the Indians,” whom he regarded as “a less-than-human and savage race”.
>>544162531>On January 6, Basilio Ramos and a group of his followers drafted the Plan of San Diego, The plan called for the killing of all adult white American men in the Southwestern states and the "return of land to Mexicans." It was, however, exposed before it could be fully executed, in San Diego, Texas, to try and bring the American border states under the rule of President Venustiano Carranza.>Calling themselves the Seditionistas, the rebels then began attacking small American outposts and settlements along the Rio Grande, many of which were guarded by United States Army soldiers.>The first attack took place on July 4, 1915, when a band of approximately forty mounted rebels crossed the border and raided Los Indios Ranch in Cameron County.>On July 11, two Mexican-American police officers were shot, from a distance, near Brownsville, both died.>American authorities said "the Mexican officers knew of the plans [Plan of San Diego] of their fellows before the real beginning of the operations and that this was the cause of the several efforts to assassinate them.">Over the next two weeks there were various reports of raids, attacks on police officers, and assassination attempts on local land owners.>By the end of July, the raiders were trying to cut off communications to the people in the Lower Rio Grande Valley and disrupt railroad transportation.>On July 25, they burned a bridge belonging to the St. Louis, Brownsville and Mexico Railway and then cut some telegraph wires near Harlingen.>A few days after that, the Governor of Texas, James E. Ferguson, sent the Texas Ranger Captain Harry Ransom into the Lower Rio Grande Valley to lead a "pacification campaign." According to author John William Weber, Ransom was in charge of an "assassination squad" that conducted a "scorched-earth campaign of annihilation" against both guilty and innocent Mexicans.
>>544159080In any real war you would shoot down enemy satellites. That no one has done it yet leads me to believe all the current wars are not only fake but also gay
>>544158547> Mutts copingMutts went full berserker mode on Afghanistan, they LOST! Mutts went full berserker mode on Nam, they LOST!Mutts are getting BTFO in a proxy war against Russia.Mutts talk a lot of shit about China but still can't do shit.
>>544159577won what? the 60k dead for nothing award?
>>544160975The US has 19 bases in the mideast 8 of which are permanent. So you are telling me Iran obliterated all 19 bases? To the point these bases are now "gone"? Beyond repair? You do realize that is complete and utter bullshit. It is laughable you believe a drone can take out a fucking base. Just a dick arguing for the sake of arguing. Between tanks and armored fighting vehicles America has almost a half million. Name one other country that even comes close. 5 thousand tanks, 5000 thousand helicopters. And not once has it ever been used. We train with it. We COULD use it. But for some diplomatic reason we don't. If this was the Ancient era entire countries would be American farmland after we di to them what Rome did to Carthage. But for some reason it is not sensible to kill every last man and then enslave the women and children. You better bet your fucking ass you wouldn't be the one coming out on top if war was still total war and not the video game it has become. We would take your land, divide it up and give it to retiring soldiers to farm and force your enslaved children to do the labor while we rape your wives and daughters.
>>544160189Anon, you need to understand that there are literally millions of Americans with top secret security clearances. Millions of Americans have been employed by the federal government and defense contractors. It's not baseless speculation, there are a LOT of people who have personally seen things and know about things that they aren't legally allowed to confirm or describe at all. >the US has giga-weapons behind closed doors it mercifully does NOT use on the soulless-bug-durka masses of the world out of .....pity or something? The issue is that it could result in complete global destabilization and worse. If rival nation states realized that [unnamed US weapon system] made most of their most conventional weaponry obsolete, they might decide that their only logical option would be to attempt a nuclear first strike against the US.>i have no clue Correct.
>>544159577> According to our cope stats we won.Whatever, mutt.You got BTFO and were forced out of the country.
>>544162531>Jefferson saw the mission of the U.S. in terms of setting an exampleAnd he was completely right.WE are the reason why countries like Russia have to pretend to have elections.WE changed the norms around what even CAN make a government "legitimate".WE (in the past) have been the ones who pushed forward human progress away from your kind of zero-sum barbarism.Jefferson laid out the future of humanity while you describe its endless wasting death.
>>544162579>General Jacob Hurd Smith ordered an indiscriminate retaliatory attack on a group of Filipinos during the Philippine–American War, in which American soldiers killed between 2,500 and 50,000 civilians. His orders included, "kill everyone over the age of ten" and make the island "a howling wilderness."> Corporal Sam Gillis: "We make everyone get into his house by seven p.m., and we only tell a man once. If he refuses we shoot him. We killed over 300 natives the first night. They tried to set the town on fire. If they fire a shot from the house we burn the house down and every house near it, and shoot the natives, so they are pretty quiet in town now.">I suppose the people back home did not expect us to have any fighting, but we have already had the greatest land fight of the war, and it may take a great deal more to finish it yet, for we may have to kill all the black rascals before they are conquered.... Occasionally a Filipino would fall forward apparently dead, wait until he was fairly under the heels of the Americans, and then foolishly rise and attempt to gain safety. To shoot a man at six feet range with a Springfield rifle is a hard thing to do, but the orders were to let no insurgent live, and off would go the whole side of his head, or he would fall with a wound in his abdomen large enough to drop a potato throught. Private in a Kansas Regiment>Last night one of our boys was found shot and his stomach cut open. Immediately orders were received from General Wheaton to burn the town and kill every native in sight, which was done to a finish. About one thousand men, women, and children were reported killed. I am probably growing hard-hearted, for I am in my glory when I can sight my gun on some dark-skin and pull the trigger.t. A.A Barnes - G Batt, US Arty.
>>544162259The army has always been mostly good at destroying buildings.
Berserker
>>544162658>WeWho is "we" again?
>>544162531>The Empire of Liberty is a theme developed first by Thomas Jefferson to identify the responsibility of the United States to spread freedom across the world. The founding fathers really were iredeemable faggots>>The U.S. government decided instead to try to kill as many Indians as possible in what Sherman called the “final solution of the Indian problem” involved “killing hostile Indians and segregating their pauperized survivors in remote places.” “These men,” writes Fellman, “applied their shared ruthlessness, born of their Civil War experiences, against a people all three [men] despised. . . . Sherman’s overall policy was never accommodation and compromise, but vigorous war against the Indians,” whom he regarded as “a less-than-human and savage race”.The faggot Grant stopped them. It's his fault we still have to deal with Injuns on their stupid reservations and give them money and they don't have to pay taxes
>>544158547retarded kids grew up playing WARZONE with cheats and think same applies in real life. EVIDENCE: Aura Farming faggots
>>544162718All of that shit is evil and retarded. America is the most evil concept that has ever existed in the history of this planet and Thomas Jefferson is in the deepest pit of hell
>MFW we won our vietnamstay mad, burgers.
>>544162730>When you can realize four hundred or five hundred persons living within the confines of five or six blocks, and then an order calling out all of the women and children, and then setting fire to houses and shooting down any niggers attempting to escape from the flames, you have an idea of Filipino warfaret. Sgt. William A. Rule - H Company, Colorado Volunteers.> I don’t know how many men, women, and children the Tennessee boys did kill. They would not take any prisoners. One company of the Tennessee boys was sent into headquarters with thirty prisoners, and got there with about a hundred chickens and no prisoners.> We bombarded a place called Malabon, and then we went in and killed every native we met, men, women, and children. It was a dreadful sight, the killing of the poor creatures. The natives captured some of the Americans and literally hacked them to pieces, so we got orders to spare no one.> "The boys go for the enemy as if they were chasing jack-rabbits.... I, for one, hope that Uncle Sam will apply the chastening rod, good, hard, and plenty, and lay it on until they come into the reservation and promise to be good 'Injuns.'">We will soon round them up and kill them all off. No more prisoners. They take none, and they torture our men, so we will kill wounded and all of them.... The weather is intensely hot, and we are all tired, dirty, and hungry, so we have to kill niggers whenever we have a chance, to get even for all our trouble."
>>544158547americans haven't gone berserker mode since the pacific island hopping, with some scattered occurrences reported in vietnam, laos, and afghanistan
>>544158547Being envious of canadian tactics in ww2.
>>544158547They're idiotic boomers who don't understand that it's not 2000 anymore and that Iran is not Afghanistan or Iraq. They either can't comprehend or don't want to face the reality that we've accrued trillions of dollars worth of debt and we have nothing of value to show for it in terms of 2026 warfare. You get those carriers and destroyers close enough to be useful and see what happens to them
>>544158547They're retarded but not entirely wrong because nuclear weapons exist.We could not win a conventional war with Iran. It would be Vietnam 2.0 except way worse both in Iran and at home. But at the same time we have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the entire world. It would be fucking retarded if we used them, literal 0iq play. But they are there. And as long as they are there we "could" win any war by nature of being so retarded we actually use nuclear weapons and risk starting a nuclear war that would destroy the world.One can only hope our government is never that retarded.
>>544162658Tl;dr Bases btfo
Because its true.This is why young Americans still join the military. There's no risk. Motorcycle accidents and crackwhore girlfriends are 10000000% more lethal to the average American soldier than any enemy we've faced in the last 50 years. The biggest point of emphasis in training is restraint. If they were to go full on Warhammer exterminatus, there would be nothing left. Meanwhile your beer league army gets to go full throttle all the time with zero reprocussions because nobody cares.
>>544162836>The founding fathers really were iredeemable faggotssee>>544162718You live in our world and always will.>>544162881>EvilYou have no idea what that even means.>It was EVIL to normalize electionsYou are clearly a slave under a VPN.
>>544158547Whats "American diplomacy"?
>>544158547USA wasted most of its missiles to take down drones and shit. If that's berserker mode, I don't want to see their pussy mode. Logistics isn't USA's strongest side for some reason.
>>544161025Explain what you mean by lost? Did some US General or Trump surrender? Have they obliterated our cap[ability to continue waging war? Have they destroyed our infrastructure to the point it has weakened us economically? What the fuck do you even mean? Do you mean the war of public opinion on social media? Who gives a fuck about the whiners of the world who can sit idly by but can't do a fucking thing to us? Due to it's voluntary nature the US essentially has 2 militaries. 3 if you count the National Guard and the Reserves. Because all of the volunteers like me, who return to civilian life don't forget their training. That is not even possible without a TBI or dementia. Millions of highly trained people who can be re activated with the flourish of a pen.
>>544162988It's funny to watch this delusion in real time, even when there's examples of this failing time and time again, like Afghanistan>we didn't lose>we just didn't go berseker modeyea ok pal
>>544159625>It's a cope but Russia really fights with gloves on, Zelenski admitted it himself last week when he said that Putin removed all limits.Zelensky has said this from day one, you just don't remember
>>544158693poooooooo
>>544163018Americanism needs to be eradicated off the face of the planet and if muh Mayflower ancestor heritage Americans won't accept that, they need to also be eradicated off the face of the planet
>>544162836Most nations had nation doctrinesAmerica:Manifest DestinyFrontier ThesisCity upon a HillEmpire of LibertyGermany:Blut und EisenBlut und BodenLebensraumSonderwegBritain:White Man's BurdenItaly:Mare NostrumManifesto of RaceSpazio vitaleJapan:Hakko ichiuAn Investigation of Global Policy with the Yamato Race as NucleusShinmin no MichiKokutai no Hongi
>>544162988All your soldiers in ukraine were shitting themselves and ran away as soon as they couldn't call in air support to bomb women and children.
What does berserk mode look like? Air dropping niggers to destroy everything?
>>544159883So have you been losing a war against a country led by no one for seven months? Or perhaps your summary is just cope?
>>544162965I'm pretty sure all US nukes haven't been updated since the 1970's and are unironically rusted and will not launch.
>>544163123>Have they obliterated our cap[ability to continue waging war?yes>Due to it's voluntary nature the US essentially has 2 militaries. 3 if you count the National Guard and the ReservesYou are a literal retard> Because all of the volunteers like me, who return to civilian life don't forget their training. That is not even possible without a TBI or dementia. Millions of highly trained people who can be re activated with the flourish of a pen.Glownigger is so obvious
>>544161686>Desert Storm, Iraqi Freedom, and Enduring FreedomThe US accomplished all of the actual military objectives in each of those conflicts within a few weeks. After the 5 primary objectives were achieved in Desert Storm, the Coalition did withdraw, other than to enforce the no fly zone.The occupation and neocon nation building and attempts to turn Iraq and Afghanistan into modern, westernized liberal democracies were NOT part of the original objectives of those campaigns. That was just mission creep and sunk cost fallacy. We could have simply withdrawn from both of those countries after we achieved the actual military objectives and turned both of those countries into piles of smoldering rubble.
>>544163094Right because American war strategy and top secret military plans are routinely given to journalists to report in the media. You probably know as much as Hegseth just from watching MSNow.
>>544163219relevance?
>>544163123Jesus dude, just STOP. Fuck.Literally everything you said amounts to sitting in a chess match saying, >"Well you didn't ACTUALLY TAKE my king!">"How can I POSSIBLY have lost if my king is still sitting there on the board? Can't you see it!?"Trump launched a stupid war.We have no options to do anything.That was why Trump ALREADY TRIED TO SURRENDER.Because Iran has us in checkmate.>>544163212Whatever, Ivan/Jamal/Jinder/Who-cares. Take off your VPN.
>>544163253Fuckin rust why did it have to be racist? This is Jesus fault. Said every migger.
>>544158547You didn't "topple the Taliban". You were forced to retreat in massive peak of the Korean War level battles that you lost in the narrow defiles of the Hindu Kush. You were defeated in Afghanistan. Get that through your heads.
>>544163284> we achieved the actual military objectives and turned both of those countries into piles of smoldering rubble.you never won in Afghanistan, not one day. you went there to take out the taliban (not their fake ass army) and you failed. the taliban were there in 2001, in 2011 and in 2021. Now, they rule the country. Dumb faggots
>afghanistan and vietnamthese examples get brought up a lot but those enemies won by hiding out in countries the US wasn't willing to attack. it's not a dumb strategy but it doesn't always work out either (see Iraq and Syria). "berserker mode" in this case would be pulling what germany pulled in the world wars and just steamrolling neutral countries to defeat a bigger power.
>>544163332You are a liberal so you are too evil to understand, like every other American
>>544162988>If they were to go full on Warhammer exterminatus, there would be nothing left.Well at this point you can't. Foot on the ground would just get US soldiers killed unnecessarily. Nukes would just make USA the villain of the world and everyone with a nuke would have their finger on the trigger in case they decide to nuke them too.Missiles obviously doesn't work against a nation who isn't top heavy with its leadership.>>544163287Hegseth most likely have no idea what is happening, or doesn't understand what is happening. You are giving him too much cred. In terms of missile you could obviously tell they started to run out of them when you had both living leadership in Iran and USA launched missiles less and less. Even Ukraine suggested to teach US military to use drones instead of missiles to take down drones, because well apparently US military are fucking stupid.
>>544163332Eat shitAmerica didn't lose a war and I am sick of fucking hearing it. The American military has NEVER been unleashed and I wish it would be just one time to shut people up, I am sick of hearing it. Why would i give a fuck about your opinion?
>>544163522>America didn't lose a war and I am sick of fucking hearing it1812namkoreawar on drugswar on terroriranobesity
>>544158547I would've nuked so many browns off the face of the earth already, including OP.
>>544163123What did USA accomplish other than killing a man with who most likely already had terminal cancer?
>>544159900We had standing orders in place not to bomb SAM sites that weren't confirmed operational because there was a chance that Russian technicians could be there.
>>544163480Freedom is a type of Good, you idiot.It is literally an aspect of divinity.To deny freedom is to try and enslave your fellow man.This makes you naturally his adversary.Key word: Adversary.There's your evil right there.>>544163522>The American military has NEVER been unleashedThat doesn't mean we can't lose a war, idiot.Winning or losing a war is about your objectives.Be a little cheerleader jingoist all you want, we failed all our objectives and have no options to accomplish them.We've spent ALL YEAR trying to just RESTORE THE STATUS QUO ffs.That's a defeat by default, shithead. Live with it.
>>544163289City upon a Hill (1630)• Core Idea: The belief that America should serve as a shining global example of a moral and godly society.Empire of Liberty (1780s)• Core Idea: The responsibility of the United States to spread freedom and republican governance across the world framing expansion as a benefit to humanity rather than conquest.Manifest Destiny (1845)• Core Idea: The 19th-century belief that the United States was divinely ordained to expand across the North American continent from the Atlantic to the Pacific and to take any measures necessary to achieve itFrontier Thesis (1893)• Core Idea: The argument that American democracy and identity were forged by the frontier experience, which promoted individualism, egalitarianism, and resilience. Calling for the forced removal and displacement of Native American populations.
>>544163522Sweden has also never lost a war, since we never unleashed all of our military ever.
>>544163728Fuck yourself you conceited piece of moralizing shit. who the fuck do you think you are?
>>544163592some of these arent loses, and a few of these your country was involved in too
>>544163831>some of these arent loseslol k>we didn't lose, we just didn't winLMAO
>>544163747And the world trembles before the might of the Swedish military...
>>544163592Britain gave us White Man's Burden The Core Idea: It claimed that white Westerners had a moral obligation ("burden") to rule over, educate, and "civilize" non-white native populations in Asia, Africa, and the Americas. That the White race must take up in order to help the non-white races develop civilization
>>544163728Lmao that is literally just libertarianism, not Christianity. You are going to hell forever, right alongside your founding fathers. You'll have an eternity to think about how wrong you all were.
>>544158547I love how even ITT every butthurt response just further confirms that Americans are retards who don't know how to win wars.
>>544163896No one is trembling over the USA might either anymore. Couldn't even deal with Iran, couldn't even threaten small Denmark to get Greenland and just accepted basically the same terms of having bases that has been laid out since 1950's.But according to you, both Sweden and USA are on the same level since neither has ever unleashed their military.
>>544163735Ok, but relevance? My post was criticizing the founders' obsession with liberty and defining the nation as such. And clearly it is this vision which has come to dominate over all others and has also been omnipresent at all times in American history. The others are all just related to the frontier
>>544163807Somebody who knows more than you and is telling you the truth.Neither you nor the country benefits from your pride. Its a sin for a reason.>>544163942>Lmao that is literally just libertarianism, not Christianity.No, libertarianism is thinking freedom is the ONLY good.And I'm not Christian. You people are deeply corrupt.
>>544163284>The US accomplished all of the actual military objectives in each of those conflicts within a few weeks. > We could have simply withdrawn from both of those countries after we achieved the actual military objectives and turned both of those countries into piles of smoldering rubble.War is deferred politics. Completing the military objectives but not achieving the political objectives that created them is the definition of winning the battle and losing the war.>The occupation and neocon nation building and attempts to turn Iraq and Afghanistan into modern, westernized liberal democracies were NOT part of the original objectives of those campaigns. Horse shit. The planning and execution of those wars and occupations were entirely the work of neocons. As evidence I cite the Project for the New American Century, the Wolfowitz Doctrine (in b4 you try to claim that isn't valid because it's a colloquialism), and Wesley Clark's notorious 7 countries in 5 years story.
>>544159577if we won why can't I find saigon on a map anymore
>>544163747Antiartica has never lost a war, and I'm tired of acting like it wouldn't btfo anyone who tried to conquer it.
>>544164114God you are so dumb
>>544158547>anime avatar>hates the truth so attaches a negative phrase to it as if they refutes itThoughts on OP going gay mode?
>>544164139Has any army unleashed their full might? If they left 10 people back at home, no they never did, hence no one has ever lost a war.
>>544158547I think it's fucking hilarious. Trump is begging iran and here these fucks are saying that only five percent of the military is involved in the iran war? Absolutely hilarious! If america could conquer iran, then they would have done it ages ago, there wouldn't be a need for trump to go spastic on truth social.
>>544158547It's what happens when you're taught WW2 was nothing but the Nazis and Japs kicking ass until America stepped up in 1942 and singlehandedly won the war, and then you're taught (not entirely incorrectly) that the US didn't win in Korea and Vietnam because we didn't go berserker mode. The American school system is a shitty daycare, not a place for learning.
>>544164142My Brizzle in Crizzle, you are sitting here telling me about how the emancipation of humanity from the rule of kings (i.e. men who set themselves in place of God) was "Evil".YES, you idiot, you are deeply corrupt. Manifestly so.
>>544160401>we just haven't gone berserker mode on the world yet
>>544158547"Berserk mode", or rather total war, could win us almost any conflict. But the american peoples and nation aren't capable or willing to do that anymore. Men will refuse draft, we won't fund factories and mines for mass producible arms, and our financial system can't take the impact of resource production delays/destruction. The idea we could even commit to total war is laughable, but we still function on the idea that we could.
>>544164262i agree with your point, the dumb miggers itt arguging that the usa is losing the war because somehow they don't want it enough or something are delusional
>>544162252we have to make it look like iran is winning to lure them into a false sense of security before we go berserker mode, duhI can tell you never spent any time in the military, you faggot
>>544164292> emancipation of humanity from the rule of kings (i.e. men who set themselves in place of God) was "Evil"Lol yep, I love being ruled by oligarch funded politicians. Americanism must be eradicated
Looking a Germany's national policies Blut und Eisen (Blood and Iron)• Definition: A foreign policy doctrine stating that national unification and power are achieved through war and military might rather than speeches and parliamentary resolutions.Blut und Boden (Blood and Soil)• Definition: A nationalist ideology linking a people's ethnicity ("blood") to the specific land they farm and inhabit ("soil"). It idealized rural, peasant life while promoting racism and anti-Semitism by claiming urban and non-German populations had no true connection to the land.Lebensraum (Living Space)• Definition: The geopolitical theory that a nation requires territorial expansion to sustain its population growth and economic health. Influenced by Americans Frontier Thesis. Calling for the aggressive invasion of Eastern Europe and Russia to displace or enslave indigenous Slavic populations for German settlement.Sonderweg (Special Path)• Definition: A historical theory suggesting Germany followed a unique, flawed path to modernization compared to Western democracies. Calling for Germany to industrialized rapidly under an autocratic, aristocratic elite.
>>544159577Indeed, you did. Anyone saying otherwise, is an obvious coper and seether. You literally just said fuck it and went home, because the softie libtards were screaming and crying and shitting themselves, due to how much you were genociding the gooks. BUT! that was then, now is now. Can you still do this now, if it were to come down to it?
>>544162259the only reason russia has any global relevance at all is because1. they have lots of oil/minerals2. they have the old soviet nuclear arsenalwithout those 2 things russia would be about as impactful as poland or brazil
>>544162660HOLY FUCK, ^this^ is exactly precisely the point I made>ackshully my dad works at nintendo and he confirmed that the alien tech 50+ years ahead of Russia+China that would upset the global order if revealed (even though the global order is literally evaporating into world-wide chaos in real-time) totally exists, the US has them, and its simply up to the logical 'right time' 11th hour, last second "KOBE" shot for the US to swoop in, use the ALIENTECH™ weapon and secure 'the end of history' for a second time in a century!!i mean your faggot /k/ike ass believes verbatim, with every fiber of your being the US has the mythical "alien tech mode" and we just hold back out of restraint, and wisdom.. or something ludicrous like that
>>544164588>we just hold back out of restraint, and wisdom.. or something ludicrous like thattfw to honorable to win wars anymorele sigh, we just have to let our enemies win to preserve our le honor.......
Japan's national policies • Hakko Ichiu (Eight Corners of the World Under One Roof): It reinterpreted an ancient mythical saying to suggest that Japan was divinely ordained to bring the entire world under the "benevolent" rule of the Emperor, creating a unified global family led by Japan.• Kokutai no Hongi (Cardinal Principles of the National Entity): It defined the unique Japanese identity (kokutai), demanded absolute loyalty to the Emperor, and explicitly rejected Western ideas like individualism, democracy, and liberalism in favor of total self-sacrifice for the state.• Shinmin no Michi (The Way of Subjects): It condemned Western civilization as materialistic and predatory, calling on Japanese citizens to abandon Western influences, embrace total devotion to the Emperor, and prepare for a total war to establish a new world order.• An Investigation of Global Policy with the Yamato Race as Nucleus: It provided the explicit racial and strategic blueprint for Japanese rule in Asia. The report argued that the Yamato (Japanese) race was naturally superior to other Asian nations and should permanently occupy the position of the dominant "ruler" class in the newly conquered territories.
>>544164392>Lol yep, I love being ruled by oligarch funded politicians. Americanism must be eradicatedThere is a sliding scale from better to worse with most things.An oligarchy is bad, but better than total monarchy.You literally think Good is Evil.
>>544162658>So you are telling me Iran obliterated all 19 bases? To the point these bases are now "gone"? Beyond repair?yes to "all"...Literallyevery meaningful capability of those bases has been annihilated, the US has left the region and every asset that utilized them must now go to 2nd options thousands of miles away.>5 thousand tanks, 5000 thousand helicopters. And not once has it ever been usedbecause it would be annihilated by drones and the humiliation of watching US troops via FPV toy helicopter as they voyeured their graphic deaths is beyond anything the US is capable of accepting you idiot shit eater>We would take your land, divide it up and give it to retiring soldiers to farm and force your enslaved children to do the labor while we rape your wives and daughters.LMAO, you should have your head beaten in with bricks>webm relatedis who you would depend on for all that "marauding" you describe
>>544164701You literally think good is evil
>>544164800Then why am I the one who can explain?
>>544159577The US didn't lose 282,000 soldiers in Vietnam. It was about 60k.
>>544164118No, achieving all of the the stated military objectives is literally the definition of winning a war. Neocons using already won wars as a pretext for neocon nation building boondoggles is a completely different issue. You are moving the goalposts, this whole thread is about the US's ability to win wars, not it's ability to do neocon nation building for 20 years after a war has already been won.
>>544164701How is bankers and unelected officials in positions of power that want a one world government better than nationalistic monarchy?
>>544164823I already did explain. You just have an "enligtenment" [sic] addled heretic's brain which means you are too evil to understand anything
>>544164836>No, achieving all of the the stated military objectives is literally the definition of winning a warthe US has won virtually ZERO wars on this criteriaeven the US's greatest most everlasting triumph (desert storm) is a failure by this measure
>>544159577True in the sense that we were conducting R&D and clearly found out that napalm, does indeed stick to children
>>544158547WTF IS BROSEPH EVEN ON ABOUTTHEY LOST THE WAR TO THE TALIBAN !!!!
>>544164836The US military teaches Clausewitz as official doctrine and yet it still has legions of simps that materialize in every discussion to let us know that poltical and military objectives are not the same.
>>544160189Reminds if the rifle-melting microwave tech of theirs they used when capturing maduro. If they have such revolutionary tech that can obviously easily turn the tide in a battlefield, how come they have never used it again? Wouldn't that be perfect for the ukraine and iran war?
>>544164860Its very simple: They compete with each other, and the "waste heat" of that competition translates into benefit for society. (at least to a point)Contrast with a monarch, and you find that the more you centralize power, the more mistakes get magnified and entrenched into disasters.Same shit that killed communism.>>544164911You're not explaining, you're just claiming.I literally explained how your mindset cultivates humanity acting as "adversaries", which is the central concept of a person being "Satanic".The only way to dispute this is to think, "Oh no, war is actually TOTALLY GOOD", in which case, YOU are the one who's so twisted and evil that you can't see anything.
>>544160189I've been thinking about this myself lately. I've heard this shit my whole life too. But when you give it even a bit of critical thinking, you quickly realize the most advanced thing in the US arsenal is a stealth bomber designed when Jimmy Carter was in office. Granted, it's a hell of a machine and some of the best White engineers in the aerospace industry worked on it, but it's a far cry from the ridiculous shit people claim they have hidden in some desert hanger.
>>544160401And yet, you are allowing russia and china and iran to slowly financially destroy america? Why? Is this some kind of 10D chess move, or something?
>>544165157>You're not explaining, you're just claiming.that is a lie>I literally explained how your mindset cultivates humanity acting as "adversaries", which is the central concept of a person being "Satanic".You are literally retarded>The only way to dispute this is to think, "Oh no, war is actually TOTALLY GOOD", in which case, YOU are the one who's so twisted and evil that you can't see anything.You are all fucked up and retarded beyond belief
>>544164952>you didn't win because it didn't result in perpetual stabilityBy this logic the Romans never won a war.
>>544165312>You are literally retarded>You are all fucked up and retarded beyond belief"Explanations"
>>544165157>They compete with each other, and the "waste heat" of that competition translates into benefit for society. (at least to a point)No they pretend to compete with each other while using political power to steal public wealth and enrich themselves and destroying the nation and concepts of borders to establish a one world government.It's just kleptocracy mixed with zionism versus bolshevism: A struggle for the soul of the jewish people.>Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its lawsWhy do you think the Soviet Union was the first country to officially recognize the state of Israel? Stalin thought all the bolsheviks there would turn it into a communist state. Instead when all the bolsheviks got there they turned into zionists.
>>544158547trolling to the max on normies is just cringe
>>544165510>waste heat
Its not just an American thing, the general public in the many modern countries basically don't understand the actual nature of large scale modern economies and states, never mind how to wage wars involving them. These systems have actually grown beyond most people's comprehension. Very few countries function like Saddam's Iraq did where it was just a centralized group based in the capital with a military backing it. Take down the center and the entire thing falls apart. But most of the world have spent years and years studying how to built resiliency into the state in ways that makes it truly hard to actually force them into defeat anymore.
>>544158547I don't believe the US, or any western country has the capacity for high casualty war, they will only fight if they can maintain technological superiority, if they were ever in a war where the body bags start stacking high, they will panic and its publics will demand peace. The Russian military might be shambles but the one thing they can do is endure high casualties.
>>544162660You fucking people and your ayy tech... you just keep doing it.
>>544164835I was counting our allies.
>>544165664Funny enough that was one of the reasons why Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. They figured the same thing.
>>544164836>No, achieving all of the the stated military objectives is literally the definition of winning a war.Sun Tzu, von Clausewitz, and the entirety of modern military theory and doctrine, upon which Clausewitz's work is based, would disagree. >Neocons using already won wars as a pretext for neocon nation building boondoggles is a completely different issue. Again, sidestepping the fact that neocons planned and were in charge of the DoD throughout the entirety of the wars we're discussing from their inception to this very moment. >You are moving the goalpostsAm not. My position has always been that war is the ultimate means of achieving and enforcing political ends. It's also the US military's official position, taught to literally all of our officers and any enlisted man smart enough to grasp the concept.> this whole thread is about the US's ability to win wars,And what we're arguing about is what constitutes winning a war.
>>544165159its boomer centric propaganda 50 years old from the 80s'>>544165143>Reminds if the rifle-melting microwave tech of theirs they used when capturing maduro. If they have such revolutionary tech that can obviously easily turn the tide in a battlefield, how come they have never used it again? Wouldn't that be perfect for the ukraine and iran war?exactlyand eventually Americans will start to realize this fact. the entire "world order" and 8 decades of total US dominance are going to slip into the abyss, the 11th hour will come, and no magic alien tech stealth jet wunderwaffe from space is going to come down, do >"desert_storm_air_war_pt2.WEBM"and usher in the "end of history II" this timetheres not going to be 2 decades of US cum licking hollywood shit like Independence Day™ where F18's and boomer pilots with Grit and a budweiser save the world from Aliens...none of thatjust FPV drones we wont make and Shaheds-at-home we refuse to make, and a complete backslide into whatever an empire of this magnitude turns into when it simply refuses to get with the times out of spite or stupidity
>>544165747That was 85 years ago, we don't have the grit for it anymore, some people are too scared to answer a phone call
>>544165321>"war without end"is the only 'stability' Rome ever had...same with the US apparently...the war WAS the "stability"
>>544158547>Thoughts on the "berserker mode" theory of American diplomacy?They cant tank the aircraft losses they would have if they have to overfly iranian territory to carpet bomb them with dumb iron bombs. And they dont have the production capabability to attack Iran with exclusively guided muntions. If they go all in, most of their air attacks would be radar and computer aimed dumb bomb runs, and the iranian air defenses would have lots of targets to shoot at. America cant even produce dumb iron bombs in mass, because western TNT production is a tiny fraction of what it was 50 years ago. So no, they cant do that. But they can talk shit on the internet.
>>544165747>Funny enough that was one of the reasons why Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. They figured the same thing.and the moment the US realized it was about to be in a "high casualty unsustainble war" it dropped 2 nuclear bombs to "prevent it"
The US doesn't have a military population. The US has a lot of money that can bribe other countries to serve as mercenary proxy-armies. It's like Jojo summoning a Stand to fight on his behalf. Or a YuGiOh episode.
>>544165591Yeah, its a metaphor for when politicians or businesses compete for your votes and money.That is literally why there are laws preserving competition with both. Its not some theoretical thing.>>544165535>No they pretend to compete with each otherMaybe now, but the system would never have gotten off the ground if it was just ALWAYS like that.Stop being a cynical shit. Everybody hates that energy.>But the jews!Powerful, but not the goddamn fulcrum of world history. Jesus, cmon...
>>544166027I have rarely encountered anyone on here dumber than you
>>544166179Whatever you say, homie. Your dumb just kinda blends in, sorry to say.Repeating yourself? Its a very generic, unremarkable kind of dumb.
>>544166283You're just so, so dumb. Like you need to develop some humility
>>544161597Are you trying to say which war without allies? Because there hasn't been a major conflict in going on 90 years now.Are you intentionally being retarded?Sould have let Germany have its way with you jew cocksuckers. But then that would have required us not being a jew owned state to begin with.
Did you see all the women screaming after we yeeted a school loaded with zergling spawn in Iran? It's crying bitches and faggot men that keep us from winning wars. 1900 America would just exterminate every man, woman, and child that gets in our way. Feminism destroyed our ability to win wars. Because all the enemy needs to do is cry when we splatter their civilians.
>>544166027>but the system would never have gotten off the ground if it was just ALWAYS like that.It's why Andrew Jackson destroyed an attempt to create a centralized bank in 1832.>Gentlemen! I too have been a close observer of the doings of the Bank of the United States. I have had men watching you for a long time, and am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I have determined to rout you out, and by the Eternal, (bringing his fist down on the table) I will rout you out!>"It is to be regretted that the rich and powerful too often bend the acts of government to their selfish purposes." (from his 1832 Bank Veto Message)>"The duty of government is to leave commerce to its own capital and credit as well as all other branches of business, protecting all in their legal pursuits, granting exclusive privileges to none
>>544166403>you need to develop some humilityI have humility when I'm not talking to a child.
>>544166027I brought up your "They compete with each other" is just bullshit. It's just an act to lower your guard and rob and disempower you while you think they're fighting.
>>544163123>>All the volunteers, like meWell,t he economy is in the shitter but its not like it hasn't been for years now, however if you can't see that we have bigger problems at home than fucking around in some middle eastern shithole on the behest of our "Most trustworthy" ally then you're fucking blind.We have zero need to be fucking around in the desert with kikes or rag heads. Maybe if we kept to ourselves ands topped trying to run the world for the jews we wouldn't have the problems, politically, socially, demographically, that we do today.
>>544166727Nothing you can do with Amerivermin other than extermination. 250 years they've been doing this shit, they will never learn. Really longer, since it goes back to the English Civil War
>>544166605you're actually fucking retarded holy shitthere were no crying bitches and faggot men in the trenches in ww1. modern industrial warfare doesn't care about how MANLY you are. an artillery shell or a drone kills biggus dickus and carl the cuck exactly the samethis has to be hegseth or one of his cocksleeves posting
>>544166753>It's just an act to lower your guard and rob and disempower you while you think they're fighting.That claim can be checked.If it were true, the lot of the average citizen would NOT have improved with the shift from monarchy to decentralized power.It very much HAS improved.You might want to inspect your thinking and root out ideology. Its cancer.>>544166787>ExterminationReminder that you are very very evil, and that even if some shitty church tells you that your hate is holy, it is still tainting your soul and doing you harm.Repent or suffer by your own hand.
>>544166912Exterminating evil makes you good. You are very very evil and you must die
>>544164047Now now, the us got what they wanted out of greenland, that's why trump doesn't talk about it anymore. Denmark lost that war and that's a fact. And if the russians invaded denmark, then the danes would immediately surrender.
>>544158547I believe in the beserker mode
>>544166754>We have zero need to be fucking around in the desert with kikes or rag heads.We shouldn't, but we do. Until we develop our own resources again we have to play the great game.
>>544162881You sound like a jew or a muzzrat.>>544164292A monarchy isn't necessarily a bad thing, as we have seen rule by the masses has brought us to this precipice we currently are standing at now and over the edge is the end of the American way of life into if we're lucky, Brazil tier shittery. If we're unlucky perhaps even south african or even indian proportions of societal cataclysm.
>>544166912>It very much HAS improvedLooking at modern society and flood of shit skins and bending over backwards to leftists causes points otherwise
>>544166833In Vietnam, we dropped nape and bombed the absolute shit out of people that used their children to carry out suicide bombings, and women/faggots lined up at airports to spit on US soldiers calling them babykillers. Now, the proper course of action here should have been to shoot the hippies dead and cover all of North Vietnam and Cambodia with napalm. Instead, Walter Cronkite went on the news to bitch and whine like a jew faggot. People got really made about the naked Viet girl running down the road after a napalm strike. The camera has done horrible damage to humanity's ability to do warfare.Before cameras came along, you could butcher the enemy as you pleased, because the retarded chattel never got to see the true nature of war.
>>544167097You're a literal retard
>>544167188>People got really made about the naked Viet girl running down the road after a napalm strike.Imagine if they added a pile of shoes in the image too
>>544158547Real life isn't an anime. Actual war involves things like logistics, morale, geography, strategy, command and control, training, troop counts, leadership, intelligence, technology, etc. Weak links in any part of this can ruin advantages in every other dimension. The Iran war has weak links with the leadership, morale, supply chains, geography, and to an extent technology (because of the abject failure to adapt to drone warfare).
>>544158547we've nuked another country
>>544160486>>544161372>>544163205COPECOPECOPECOPECOPECOPECOPECOPECOPECOPECOPECOPECOPECOPECOPECOPE
The American military is the most polluting, destructive force on the planet, just behind India
>>544166965I'm sorry if you believe that.You will suffer greatly when you die and learn the truth.>>544167097>A monarchy isn't necessarily a bad thingI understand the logic by which you might think that, but realize: The trappings of what it takes to KEEP THE CROWN is an overwhelming "selection pressure" against all forms of virtue.>>544167100This is just ignorance. Modern world has modern problems, but its missing ancient problems like a lot of the starvation, massive plagues, bandits outside every town, ect.Do you realize how historically unheard-of it is for commoners to have as much food variety as we have? (and what that does for quality of life?)Even if goyslop, holy shit we take our golden age for granted.
>>544166605Hey man, blame our stupid forefathers for giving them political power and a voice. They didn't have a voice until stupid protoboomers gave them one.
>>544167268>Real life isn't an animethis isn't even real life's final form
>>544167188>Before cameras came along, you could butcher the enemy as you pleased,and how well did that work in ww1or ww2or koreamassacring civilians doesn't motivate your army, it motivates the other guys to resist you harder. you have a negative IQ if you think telling soldiers to murder children would win you wars
>>544164047>just accepted basically the same terms of having bases that has been laid out since 1950's.Greenland is practically but not formally annexed. America controls who gets to extract natural resources, and can move its military and set up bases as it wants to, without consulting with the government of Denmark. Immediately after this "agreement" the amerimutts announced of a minor oil field with easily accessible oil and set up a military base right next to it. No non american company will be allowed to extract raw materials from danish soil.
>>544167368The rich now are paying a lot of money to eat like peasants back then. We have modern problems nowLike a law firm is teaching corporations how to get around hiring American workers for jobs so they can import foreign workers under the H1-B visa program. Lawrence M. Lebowitz, the marketing director of the Pittsburgh law firm of Cohen & Grigsby, told executives at its Immigration Law Update Seminar how to advertise to make it look like there are no qualified U.S. workers. "Our goal clearly is not to find a qualified and interested U.S. worker," he said. This was in 2007...it's by design and why recruiters uses tactics such as ghost job postings to fake jobs and LinkedIn rejects applications for simply saying hello. It's to deny Americans employment.Taxpayers money being funneled towards illegals and active replacement of Western society and people with the third world with judges dismissing cases against 84 convicted criminals while turning around and enprisoning people complaining about it.They didn't live in a surveillance state tracking their every move and looking at all texts while taking pictures for a data base to be able to track you wherever you go.No credit scores either
>>544158926North Vietnam had a very strong regular army that was funded, equipped and trained by the USSR and China. The North Vietnamese had supply lines going through neighbouring countries to flank US and South Vietnamese troops.Amerifats were unable to cross further North due to a realistic risk of causing another Korea War but worse because of all the Soviet and Chinese troops stationed there.Add to this that South Vietnam had insane corruption issues throughout the government and the military. There was no fixing this outside of risking a complete escalation.Amerifats left because of that.
>>544158547> America can go 'goblin-mode' and win.America's enemy is depression and hegemon-collapse.- "goblin-mode" will speed up the hegemon-decay- you can't shoot your way out of the "DOW-tailspin"
>>544167462It worked great, we definitively won our wars back then. We were good up until Vietnam. Even the Gulf War still had to ferocity(Highway of Death). Imagine how much people would bitch if the US used A-10s to strafe thousands of fleeing sandniggers with depleted uranium these days. It's bullshit.
>>544167522Yes. And that is because the scandis have given up. The swedish politicians can posturize all they want, but no one in sweden will obey a draft. If russia attacks sweden, they will immediately surrender. As will all the other scandi countries.
>>544165157>Its very simple: They compete with each other, and the "waste heat" of that competition translates into benefit for society. (at least to a point)They are competing with each other over who is looting faster because without a central core control above them there is nothing to stop them from monetizing everything around them. The best looter gets the biggest hoard.
>>544163126>>544163224>>544163482>4.6 million dead>only 7,000 were American soldiers>AMERICA BTFO YOU LOST TRANNYThis is the level of delusion we Americans must deal with from you insectoids. The only valid excuse for this mentality is that you niggers believe your lives aren't worth anything, which I can't really argue with.
>>544167689The world has become more complicated, and the problems more numerous.However: Notice how few of those problems KILL YOU now.(Improvement!)
as subhuman as the muttoid savages can be, the problem is that iran can fire back.It makes it hard to go berserk when you get killed when you do
>>544166912>>the lot of the average citizen has improvedWell that depends on your metric, doesn't it? Because as it is now far more of our production capacity goes to these oligarchs you're so fond of (strange how so many of them are jews though, right? Oh but they aren't the fulcrum that is currently destabilizing society, currency, diplomacy, righteousness and just about every Good thing in the world) and not promoting a better, smarter, stronger, more loving society and instead has us all at each others throats lest we realize who is eating champagne and caviar while we fight to the death for their scraps.Reminder that you are very evil yourself, as you expect a people to bend over and bare their neck to the sword of your revisionism now that you can claim that all the faults of the world aren't instead to be heaped upon the oligarchs currently warping our national strength towards their interests instead of those of the people.Never before in history has so much wealth been concentrated in the hands of so few and you're telling us all that we're evil and for what? Not wanting to march into the kill room?Get fucked. In a war for survival I will do as I must to survive. Whereas the current leadership of America has done as they will far too often with the lives and livelihoods of the people whose governance they were supposed to steward and instead took mass advantage of to rape kids and eat them.
>>544158547Some also believe they have some kind of space fleet called "solar wardens" and it's explains the missing money the Pentagon can't explain. Not massive incompetence and corruption...Then, once you look into some of the spendings, you discover a 1 billion program for goats in Afghanistan....Mutts have been fed so much propaganda over decades, on a scale unseen anywhere in the world, or even in history, that they live in a parallel universe. I mean, look at the f22 program, They still can't accept it's was a massive failure and that the plane is completly useless, because they saw some CGI in Transformers movies...It's fascinating.
>>544167750>be German >think you invent beserksr mode>get invaded on both sides >every woman in Berlin gets raped by men Hitler called subhuman
>>544167861>However: Notice how few of those problems KILL YOU now.>(Improvement!)Tell that to Iryna Zarutska and Austin Metcalf
>>544167937Jesus dude, you wrote a LOT of shit based on a blatant misunderstanding.Where do I defend oligarchs?Saying that they're BETTER THAN A KING???I mean... you wrote a lot of shit based on fucked up reading comprehention.>>544168020>Numbers so small you can list the people by nameYeah, it used to be a statistic, not a tragedy.
>>544159623>communism wonIronically Vietnam is now more capitalist than communist at least looking at its economy.America is also the most important trade partner for Vietnam.
> "beserker mode""goblin-mode"fifystate-goblinmode(nukes): would be a dictatorship: - global allies dgaf Trump killing americans.- global allies will abandon america if it uses nukes.state-goblinmode(vietnam-style warcrimes)- (as above)national(people) goblinmode: !!! impossible !!!- socialmedia distrusts israel, suspects this war isn't in America's interest.- @micaellarosadc says people have no say in foreignpolicy anyway.
>>544167861I would almost rather be dead than a slave and the only thing keeping me from taking such an action is that there are greater evils than myself who are currently in control of the fate of mankind and they have chosen to stand atop a heap of dead, living like kings while the rest of us scrape and beg for the utilities our ancestors sweat and bled to build and we sweat and toil to keep running.I will feed no more parasites with my hard spent labor. I will not bring in a world of nigger africans who aren't ready to partake in a society that regards Truth and Honor to be its highest virtues. It hurts physically to have to type that as it is no longer true in our halls of law and our politicians seem to be in a race to the bottom of the barrel to see who can sell us all out first and further what they can mortgage on our future before they leave us to fight each other to the death.
>>544168070>Numbers so small you can list the people by name>Yeah, it used to be a statistic, not a tragedy.You ignore that the media actively covers up a majority of the crimes these were just high profile cases. The same media whipping up frenzy.A monarchy went to war because Jenkins got his ear cut off
>>544167977>rape mention out of nowhere and for no reasonHouston Texas, 2nd generation immigrant from Mumbai
>>544158547America is good at winning battles but has been bad at winning wars ever since WW2 ended.Korea, Vietnam, Iraq I, Afghanistan, Iraq 2.. All battles won, all wars lost. Yes, even Iraq 2: it's already turning back into an islamist shithole.
>>544167750>There was no fixing this outside of risking a complete escalation.our strategy was a losing strategy. it was a war on the population. entire villages rounded up, put into concentration camps to starve to death.
Can confirm that most people here really think we could pump out war ships like it's the 1940s if we "actually, really SERIOUSLY cared"
People want peace in the middle east but the voices in my head go
>>544167188People like you are like the communists thinking they would be high ranking party officials instead of dock workers. You’re pretty much being nostalgic about not having to die a cannon fodder’s death anymore, or not having to give 40 years of your life to the state as a soldier. You are probably a 60 year old boomer who still votes for trump
This is the part where we reveal that we were using 5% of our total power level and that seriously guys it’s bad this time but Goku will be here soon we just gotta hold on
>>544168350Who's going to work the shipyards?
>>544158547>Thoughts on the "berserker mode" theory of American diplomacy?Berserkers isolated themselves and would on occasion be approached by various parties in times of war or battle. They would consume massive amounts of alcohol blended an assortment of deleriants, dissociatives and hallucinogens. Nobody know what exactly what the combo was, but its assumed it was a combination of Henbane, NightShade, Amnita Muscaria, perhaps psilocybin mushrooms. I think the Beserkers had a unique genetic condition resulting in some kind of atypical endocrine system, and would work themselves into an frenzied trance under the influence of a prolonged, sustained adrenal response combined with astronomical testosterone levels which ultimately resulted in exactly what you'd expect: Some 280lb man beast yolked straight out of his fucking mind, gone completely bat shit insane under the influence of a combination of intoxicants which would very likely flat-line any normal specimen in short orderAll fielded combatants were equally terrified of the Berserkers - the entered a phase of what can only best be described as "Blood Drunk" and had absolutely no capacity to discern friend from foe, and would just smash through the battle engaging in wanton violence, ripping the jaws out of men's faces and tearing arms out of sockets with total reckless abandonAfter the Beserker state subsided, the men would collapse into a profoundly weak an unresponsive state, blue in the face and shivering and teeth chattering uncontrollably, and were no longer able to operate under their own power, they would often have to be carried off the battle field, had they survived, back to the place in which they dwelledThere are some modern day notations of this condition - notably two men who engaged in a firefight, they had been shot something like 14+ times each and continued fighting - one of which had a fully collapsed lung, multiple sucking chest wounds filled with ~2L of blood
If they destroyed all infrastructure in Iran the war woukd be over in as much time as it takes someone to die of thirst. This would also turn the entire world against the US. Please got let this happen it would be so fucking funny.
>>544168070Where why right here. I'll quote you.>An oligarchy is bad but better than total monarchy.I suppose it isn't a ringing endorsement but an oligarchy can trample the rights as easily in fact even more so than a king. A king can be held to term with the decisions they make that are in the end, terrible for their people. Does it happen? Not often, but it has and does.An Oligarchy is insulated from such a strike on both their soft power which is their influence on our corrupt law makers to their benefit, and their hard power simply in the amount of influence they hold on the every day, day to day life of individuals if they don't bow their heads tot he current chains of diversity that keep every law abiding citizen chained to jew Talmudism lest they be run out of town for daring to vice an opinion that is considered wrong think. For daring to say such a controversial thing as people should have to take responsibility for their own actions and that society by and large is not responsible for caring for someone who will not play by the rules and seeks only to undermine them at every opportunity if it makes them a few sheks. Yes, I believe at this very point in time at least a Monarch is someone you can behead and have done with whereas this hydra of corruption that is the current racial Oligarchy is unsustainable and untenable to those who wish to see such virtues as Truth and Honor upheld for all and not for a lucky few who were born the chosen of God. Pic related. Its what your Oligarchs have done to one of the greatest cities that civilization had ever known.
> "goblin-mode"US cope: "if we really wanted to hurt you we would have"- US is ALREADY goblinmode.- It just can't bust the doors down without Iran torching the MiddleEast(deadman-switch // picrel)
>>544158547Its not wrong.A complete disregard of the human rights would be extremely advantageous against the middle east.The only reason these guyscause issue is because we have to care about civilian life. The moment thats gone, 90% of their guerilla warfare is out the window.Let alone if we start using tactical nukes.That will never happen, because whites are retarded, but bros make no mistake if the white race wanted to exterminate the other races (except chinks maybe) they easily could. Only our idiotic moral code stops us.
>>544160189Grim, I had a little smile but it faded halfway through reading this.
>>544167814Swedish politicians abolished the swedish armed forces 30+ years ago in order to create a colonial police for assisting America in its eternal wars in the third world. They also abolished our national military industrial complex and sold it abroad. They also deindustrialized Sweden to keep up with the latest amerimutt economic doctrines of free trade. They have completely set us up to be american paypigs that were supposed to buy all high margin high tech products from America while exporting low value products. NATO membership was just a formality, we were already pseduo NATO trough "partnership for peace". Then it turns out that America was just scamming everyone with their "security guarantees" which were worth nothing as they actually had next to no industry left themselves. Of course we will make a deal with the russians if they attack us because we got scammed by a bunch of local criminals who call themselves "atlanticists", working for overseas criminals in America and the UK. Turns out that America scammed everyone with trade too, their "high tech products" turned out to be chinese made with an american sticker on it. Now we buy them directly from China. I remember when HP was all made in America. Now its dead. So is Digital, Sun Microsystems and so many more. America is half negro half jewish. We should have a no visa policy vs the anglosphere. Judeoanglos are nothing but a mongrel race of scammers, real jews ruling over spiritual jews that are honorary pajeets.
>>544160864>implyingNigger, you're more like 5'9 and 210>>544161162Neither world war can be claimed by a nation that sat out all of the most crucial years and only got involved when it suited them.
>>544159433>you can in theory go berserker mode, it can be done
>>544168577>we>ourDo you think the USrael is run by "whites"? There isn't a single goy with access to nukes in the entire US
>>544168407I prefer never going to war, but when we do it, it should be unrelenting and brutal. I hate bullshit. That's all. War is horrible and it should be as horrible as possible to deter people from waging war.
>>544158547Maybe because we haven't declared war officially with congress.
>>544166605how does bombing schools win a war? the muttoid mind sure works in mysterious ways
>>544168919Worked in the Philippines. Worked when jews in russia saved communisim by killing everyone but themselves. See related >>544162730
>>544168557>an oligarchy can trample the rights as easily in fact even more so than a king.No it can't, in fact. Not "as easily".That's the whole point. Dividing power creates DIFFICULTY to abuse of that power.The way that works is context-sensitive and complex, but also system-wide.You get an oligarch who doesn't like you, you're PROBABLY fucked, but there's also other oligarchs (if you're not one yourself), so there's other ways that could go. Its more complicated.If you're in a monarchy and the king doesn't like you, you are JUST fucked unless somebody commits treason to protect you.
>>544158547usa probably
>>544160126The British objective was to build a big railroad from Cairo to Cape Town.
>>544169202if the goal is to kill kids then yeah i guess killing kids work
>>544168867Oh like nam? Guess who lost nam. Imagine Asians with drone bombs now.
>>544158547The enemy is using asymmetrical strategy against the US. The strategy is not to engage militarily vastly superior US head on but to make attacking them totally not worth it on every measure. Iranians don't bother using their airforce as it it would be shot down without even seeing the technologically superior US and Israeli fighters. They don't have to physically block the straits the control it - mere threats is enough to stop ships getting insured and companies docking their ships.That's why you can't "berserker mode" you out of this. There are simply no targets to destroy. Regime change is via bombing campaign is not possible. Even with boots on the ground and after costly war and occupation, the people would just wait until Americans grow tired and leave after which the regime is back. It's simply not worth it.For the total grimdark solution where the greatest strengths of Iran are turned against itself. Huge population, mountainous terrain.. What if you totally blockaded the country, destroy all infrastructure, buildings, water, power, food production, poison everything and let over 90 million starve in their underground bunkers.. Maybe that theoretically could work but with the side effect of genocide which no one wants.
>Soooo, Krillin, do you think that the carpet matches the drapes?>I dunno, do yours?>Krillin!>What? It’s a lagitamite— a legitimate question… ugh, whatever>It’s just really personal. Why? Do yours?>Yeah>Really?>It’s called “manscaping”>It’s weird>It’s hygienic!
>>544159577this kd ratio shit is fucking hilarious
>>544169792kek
>>544158547>We can do this and we can do thatOkay do it then>Uhhhhh tranny! Commie Nazi!!!!
>>544169441Gotta love how UK was trying its hardest to play everyone and just played itself in the end and fucked up the world and STILL lost their empire. I would at least have forgiven them if they went berserker mode and started machinegunning down tribals to keep their empire but they just folded without a fight, which is unforgivable since this was the empire they supposedly destroyed Europe to protect.
>>544158777What really leveled the playing field was Trump goy being retarded enough to actually do what every military official and analyst said not to do. Sure those drones and shit help, but getting the Strait shut down (which everyone always knew would happen) after hitting Iran is what leveled it. And the only reason that happened is because jews are insane retards who have a willing Trump puppet to do whatever they want even if it is a bad idea and doesn't make sense. Jews leveled the playing field by their own actions.
>>544169605China lost Nam. Russia too. That was the goal and the goal was met. Vietnam is now an independent country, unified, and with a strong manufacturing economy.The Viets were the only real fight we ever had in the latter half of the 20th and beyond. Iran can't come close to the power and skill of the Vietnamese. Sandniggers are pathetic.
>>544159056Absolutely true
>>544159080/k/ope
>>544168611Thx chatgpt
>>544169250>That's the whole point. Dividing power creates DIFFICULTY to abuse of that power.>The way that works is context-sensitive and complex, but also system-wide.Dividing power means its super easy for organized crime to take over the government, and its super easy for ethnic organized crime to take over the government, especially if it is already taken over by local non ethnic organized crime. Empirical example: America and the UK.
>>544160189>"rods from God"This one is the most niggerbrained idea ever conceived but retards won't shut the fuck up about it. They'd cost tens of millions of dollars to put into orbit and have about the same accuracy and energy as a 2000 pound dumb bomb.
>>544158693>Iran wonLook outside. You see the cars driving? They have oil. Your grovery store is full, it was delivered by oil powered trucks. The oil is still flowing. Iran lost. The proof is right in front of you. I remember months ago you claimed by now society would be in chaos because of the iranian blockade. Iran lost and you're coping
>>544163123They are coping eurotroons. All their predictions came to naught. Iran could not maintain the blockade. All it did was launch some missiles at some places which any retard can do. They threw a little chimpout and we contained it. The oil flows and now we know they can't be trusted to act like civilized aryans so we're going to change how oil is distributed in the future.
>>544170450It’s certainly one of the dumber ideas that humanity has come up with.
>>544170402>Dividing power means its super easy for organized crime to take over the governmentNothing in the entire world is EVER that simple. Jesus, what a fucking brain-dead take.
>>544170469In a couple of months western strategic oil storages will be completely empty and we will finally see the true market price of oil.
>>544170656Two more weeks to flatten the curve.
>>544158547<24 US servicemembers/contractors have been killed in this war. 10 people died at Astroworld. Travis Scott killed more Americans in a single day than Iran has in six months.
