>muh ZelbonskyWhat if Ukrainians are fighting because Russia is invading them and they don't like that and not because of Zelensky
In the van.Now
The dumb fuck gave away their nukes that was their only protectionthey deserve everything that's happening
>>544192293>questioning russian rheroticWhat are you, a russophobe?
>erm goyim what if American proxy terrorism scheme 3408957347534 isnt Americas fault but this time its everyone else for real?
You might be on to something, anon....
>>544192327>Their They were russian-soviet nukes. Parroting this muh Budapest garbage is an universal sign of low IQ
>>544192327Russia forced them to do that and gave security guarantees. Those guarqntees became worthless when kremlin started funding separatists. Zelensky was 16 when that happened
This can't be true reason! Just can't muh based russian influencer EXCLUDED this possibility
>>544192293What if Ukrainians love vans and onlyfans wives?
>>544192293that must be why jews have to kidnap them into it
if you think that shit is okay, but aren't going to volunteer, you need to shut the fuck up
>>544192293Shouldn't've let glowniggers and euroniggers overthrow their democratically elected leader really innit?
>AAAAAAH PUTLER NOOOOO PUTLER KIDNAP EVERY UKRANIAN TO FIGHT CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO
>>544192442Who put more funding into breaking up Ukraine?Russia or the west?
>>544192442>THEY WERE FORCEDor else what? russia attempt to invade and risk retaliatory strikes?
>>544192293it's over, troonbro
>>544192605never forgetti
>>544192594Funding separatism is what kicked it all off. Death merchants love selling war on both sides. Lives are worthless>surkov leaks
>>544192623this can't be real, that's some bait right?
>>544192658Yeah funding the EU separatists who overthrew Ukraine's democratically elected leader
>>544192293Nafotranny lolThe hohols are fighting only because their judeo-satanic elites throw them to the meat grinder with a rifle and nothing else.
>>544192703no, trannies and redditards unironically ran off right away at the start of the war to volunteer for Ukraine (and got theyselves blown up taking selfies and shit giving away their positions)
Why is Zelnsky dismantling the russian Federation?!
>>544192714So the snipers who shot Maidan protestors were under the control of Yannukovitch? Or who gave the orders?
>>544192293>>544192322what if russia and ukraine are the same country divided and in the case of "ukraine" hijacked by kikes?
>>544192805Who knows
>>544192816
>>544192293>Ukrainians are fighting
>>544192864If Ukrainians don't even want to fight why can't you defeat them
They should just sit there and wait for Russia to kill them
>>544192924maybe because both countries want a legal ethnic cleansing excuse to purge unwanteds (in Ukraine's case "everyone")?seriously WHY DOES ANYONE DEFEND THIS BULLSHIT
shut the FUCK up and go there yourselves faggots, so many fags from nations right around there endorsing jews literally fucking kidnapping people to fight some war THEY want but refuse to fight themselves
>>544192964this
Dont worry about Russia, the plague outbreak from a biolab in siberia will wipe them out in a few days.I am socially distant and am waiting for a vaccine. At 20:00, i go out on the balcony and clap my hands for all the doctors doing their best.
>>544193091>this plague can not possibly affect me, living this deep in horsevagina
>>544192293It's going to be so fucking funny when they finally have elections and even more anti Russian guy wins.
>>544192553This is a fake video btw
>>544193183if that's what was going to happen he wouldn't have suspended them, since who the FUCK would vote for kidnappings>>544193218source?
>>544192293No one asked ukies. Ze gov is western based, not ua based. Overall, it's civil was between west and east ukrs
>>544193234The source is that theres no source for the video
>video of some retarded roastie or jew saying something straight retardedly evil>some pants shitting retard, every time: "f-fake/AI/ragebait"
>>544193258so, no source for your claim, is what you're saying; gotcha
>>544192835>Who knowsWell they fled to Russia too so it’s pretty obviousNot that poster but yeah you got BTFONiggers who don’t know shit about this war and just parrot the retarded talking points like you truly do not know how to respond when you bring up the fact that Russia started funding separatists in Ukraine around a decade before maidan with Russian presidential grants.>>544193291Find the source of the video then, you retarded subhuman.
glad we could clear that up, any further replies with no source are necessary>>544193314burden of proof is on the retards saying it's fake
>>544193339Find the source of the video, you retarded subhuman.
>>544193353>burden of proof is on the retards saying it's fake
feel free to keep repeating it, I can do the same, imperial jewsucker
>>544193386You cannot prove a negative, you retarded subhuman. Now, find the source of the video.
>>544193410>>burden of proof is on the retards saying it's fake
>you: "OH GOD I LOVE JEWISH COCK IN MY MOUTH AND ANUS"
The Adventures of Biber & Dolik
>>544192770That picture is from something else though.
>>544192557>Democratically elected leaderAnd he was very much tossedcout under democratic rules. President Viktor Yanukovych's sudden decision not to sign the European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement, instead choosing closer ties to Russia and the Eurasian Economic Union caused a lot of anger and protests. When he tried to stop the parliament from vetoing the president that's when shit kicked off. Or are you going to tell me the parliament (which in Ukraine holds more power than the president) were all suddenly paid by CIA/EU/NATO agents to usurp dear leader and Maiden happened due to longterm Western disinformation campaign directed at Ukrainians?
>>544192293https://busification.org/en
>>544193445You're seething so hard about the fact that you keep posting your retarded fakes and were called out for it.The source of the video where what was said in your retarded captions that you happened to save simply doesn't exist.The source from your reddit screencap is from something else entirely.You save shit made by a bunch of /leftypol/ posters from the /chug/ thread who simped and jerked off to tranny tits, because you also jerk off to tranny tits.Seethe for me, you retarded subhuman.
Letting Russia win: >Ethnically russian places will join russia>Russian jews will own some mines instead of ukranian jewsFighting back>Total ethnic genocide of the ukranian raceHmm
>>544193551>You save shit made by a bunch of /leftypol/ posters>the side that supports Ukraine btwlol
>>544192293why don't you hold an election to see whet they really want?
never forget the reddit leftist volunteers running off to fight ebil Putler and getting blown the fuck upjust because you hate Russia enough to deny literal jewish genocide of Ukranians in Ukraine does not mean your simple jack ass isn;t on the same side as tranny leftists fuckwad
>>544193573Yeah. You truly don't know what the fuck you are talking about, do you?
>>544193314>it’s pretty obviousWell thats cool and all but it sure would be a shame of vast swathes of the country disagreed with you
>>544193474>And he was very much tossedcout under democratic rulesNo he wasn't buddy
>>544193664and this screen shot of an imageboard I'm not even going to bother to read proves, what, exactly>>544193624>just because you hate Russia enough to deny literal jewish genocide of Ukranians in Ukraine does not mean your simple jack ass isn;t on the same side as tranny leftists fuckwad
I don't even "support" poccnr btw Putin and Zelensky are both in on this shit
>>544192293If that was true, you wouldn't see mass forced conscription
>>544193691What vast swathes of what country?There was like less than two dozen people who would show up at their subhuman rallies. They failed their petition. That was the end of it, until Russia instigated it further.With this failure of millions of dollars a year from Russian presidential grants, Russia had to move it along by annexing Crimea and sending glowniggers to murder civilians. And thus: Russia started the war in 2014.The autistic medal that Shoigu awarded to those who annexed Crimea, btw, was put into production/ordered 4+ months before the official day that it was supposed to have been annexed.You don't know what you're talking about. Just like the other retard posting fake videos. You're on the same level as him.Just shut up, nigger.
>>544193889If there weren't vast swathes of the country that disagreed with you, then why didn't you just remove him democratically you fucken retard?You're telling me you caused this who war by couping the president when you didn't even HAVE TO?
>>544193964>then why didn't you just remove him democratically you fucken retard?They did. Elections happened as scheduled.You do not know what the fuck you are talking about.
>>544193889let's revisit how Zelensky "won" his election, shall we>The series was produced by Kvartal 95, which was founded by Zelenskyy.[5] It would become much more involved in Ukraine's actual politics; in 2018, a political party named after the television series was registered,[6] and Zelenskyy was elected president of Ukraine in 2019.[7]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servant_of_the_People_(2015_TV_series)So>makes a production company>which makes a show starring himself as Ukranian president>then makes a political party named the same as the show>uses that to run for Ukranian president>(((wins)))All within 5-6 years, loland you're saying this is "legitimate" and this guy suspending elections so he can keep kidnapping Ukranians to their deaths is "fine" and "organic", yes?
>>544192714Wanting to join the EU is a democratic right of free people, not separatism.>>544193234The Ukrainian constitution, written long before Zelensky was involved in politics, is what suspends elections in war time.
>>544194065when are you volunteering, nigel?
>>544194004They literally didn't but I guess your echo chamber media didn't allow that inconvenient little piece of information to reach you
I think every poster defending kidnapping should take the place of a Ukranian kidnapped
>>544194065Not if you have to overthrow your democratically elected leader to do it buddy
wow got awfully quiet when the suggestion of volunteering to replace kidnapped Ukranians in the war came up, guess people only feel strongly about this if they don't have to fight it either
>>544194105>They literally didn'tElections were scheduled for May of 2014. Yes, they happened as scheduled.If you're talking about the interim government: the president of the country went AWOL.As in, he wasn't coming back. Because he knows that his snipers shot people who were cowering behind garbage cans, at a bare minimum, in addition to all of the other shit people were pissed off about.This is basically what you're asking: shrieking "WHY DID YOU COUP THE GOVERNMENT" when the president fled to another country and his political party (those who didn't flee to another country) all agreed to the procedure of an interim government, with the president pissing off people so badly by shooting people/beating people in the street with his police force, before he fled to another country, that he offered the opposition party spots in his administration to quell the political unrest.All of this after he backed out of one of his election promises of joining some trade agreement (with the EU in this case.)You are a retard. Shut the fuck up, retard.
>>544194312you skipped one >>544194005>and you're saying this is "legitimate" and this guy suspending elections so he can keep kidnapping Ukranians to their deaths is "fine" and "organic", yes?
>>544194333Shut the fuck up, you retarded subhuman.
>>544194100My government is already helping them, I don't need to volunteer.>>544194132He shouldn't have ignored the will of the people.
>>544194349I accept your seething ass concession, faggotcry at me some more
>>544194312>the president of the country went AWOLOh why did he do that? Let me guess..... for no reason at all?
>>544192293Nobody forces Ukrainians to kill russians
>>544194378>My government is already helping them, I don't need to volunteer.and yet they're still kidnapping Ukranians, which you are supporting, so, get your faggot ass on the bus nigel
>>544193706So he was never impeached in your world? Yanukovich rejected the parliamentary approved EU approachment then subsequently fled the country right after agreeing to an interim government in the wake of the protests so he was removed by an overwhelming parliamentary vote due to abandoning his office.
>>544194378If it really were the will of the people they could've expressed that will democratically.
>>544194399Why are you so considered about that, considering you hate Ukraine and want Russia to win? Don't you think that's a weird concern to have?
>>544194418They did and it was denied.
>>544194407He was literally never impeachedHilarious that you NAFO troons don't even know the most basic fundamental facts about the start of the war.
>>544194418How was democratically expressing your will against mass immigration into Australia worked out for you, btw?
>>544194433>you hate Ukraine and want Russia to win>>544193756>I don't even "support" poccnr btw Putin and Zelensky are both in on this shittry again nigel, bus is waiting
>>544194391Because his police force (berkut) had shot around half a dozen people cowering behind garbage cans. It was captured on film. It was criminal. He was going to get fucked.All of this because those people were protesting the fact that he took the Russian deal, backing out of his election promise.To simplify it anyways, maidan at that point had grown a bit beyond that since November.You don't know what you are talking about.
>>544194468why do you support jews kidnapping Ukranians?
>>544194458So you can't actually give an answer because you know you're being a weird little disingenuous freak.
>>544194437Try again champ
>>544194503>>544194399>and yet they're still kidnapping Ukranians, which you are supporting, so, get your faggot ass on the bus nigel
>>544194505How has democratically expressing your will against mass immigration into Australia worked out for you?
>>544194524how did brexit work out for you?
>>544194447How has throwing away their democracy worked for ukraine btw?
>>544194468>He was going to get fucked.How?
>>544192293If only they could they would rather flee than get bussified.
>>544194524A lot better than throwing it away worked for ukraine bud
>>544194438>https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2014/2/22/ukraine-president-yanukovich-impeached>Ukraine’s parliament has voted to remove President Viktor Yanukovich from office, hours after he abandoned his Kiev office to protesters and denounced what he described as a coup.>The impeachment, which was backed by 328 of the 447 deputies, argues that Yanukovich abused his powers.Amazing how you're so confidently wrong or don't care to do your research... Or does this not count because it was done by an illegitimate government? You know almost everybody in his ruling party and government didn't leave but instead turned against him because of his fuckery.
>>544194603switching to PC
>>544192293>What if Ukrainians are fighting because Russia is invading them and they don't like that and not because of ZelenskyThen that would mean that Russia has been comprehensively lying to justify its war in line with precedent from every previous imperial war they've launched in the last several centuries.It would truly be a shocking development. (for 3rd worlders on /pol/)
>>544194633>voted to remove>removeThat's strange you said IMPEACH before
>>544194563Criminally, by being sent to prison, for corruption. The golden toilet in his mansion and the full-sized replica Spanish galleon ship that served as a restaurant outside of it was a bit too much after backing out of his election promises and his police force shooting dozens of people in the street.I accept your concession that you didn't know what you are talking about. Thank you for consneeding.
>>544192293Doesn't explain why Zlonsky needs to bussify everybody then
>>544194539Terribly because brexit was an idiotic decision.>>544194603Okay, Prajeet.>>544194512It's tough being invaded by another country. You have to do some terrible things to protect your nationhood.
>>544192293Shalom
>>544192293my favourite is that they claim "ukraine is puppet of usa" but you have trump chimping out shitting himself crying because ukraine keeps blowing up russian refineries and trump is now ordering everyone to stop buying american oil and is now trying to buy russian oil instead of helping american oil companies xD
>>544194670Wouldn't they have to impeach him to do that?
>>544192293i miss this lil niggawhat a psycho
>>544194696>no rebuttalbetter luck next thread champ
Oy veyIt’s such a goy dayyy
>>544194670> uhhm akshually it was Yanukivich who was corrupt, not all the other Ukrainian policiansLmao. Top kek. Rofl even.
Russia is eliminating their Mongoloids and degeneratesUkraine is eliminating itselfIf anything, the death rate is too low!
>>544194696>It's tough being invaded by another country. You have to do some terrible things to protect your nationhood.well you care more about their nationhood than they do, so, you're literally just supporting a jew kidnapping Ukranians to cling to his power
>>544194545Not holding elections during wartime is explicitly written in the Ukrainian constitution. Now if you also think about it, I know it's hard for you to think, holding an election while being bombed on a daily basis doesn't sound like a great idea either, even if the constitution didn't have a clause forbidding it, right?
>>544194747Almost like you do not redeem Saar?
>>544194778why do you support jews kidnapping Ukranians to be executed?
>>544194778The war started because they threw away their democracy you retard
>>544194719Yes, they would. Unfortunately, he fled to Russia, as did some of his political party and most of his police force.So, elections happened as scheduled after he fled to Russia to escape impeachment and criminal inquiry.Are you done being a retarded subhuman, yet? It sort of amazes me that you fucking retards get blown the fuck out each thread, yet you keep coming back again and again acting like you don't know what the fuck happened and whine about "MUH COUP MUH NULAND."You do. You just choose not to believe it. Because you have an IQ lower than a vantablack nigger.
>>544194776A President of Slavic origin would be doing the exact same thing under the current circumstances. Draft dodgers would get caught. Your government literally put random Japanese people into interment camps during WW2.
>>544194816So why didn't they impeach him then?
>>544192293Well they don't seem to be enjoying being bussified, one would think that if they were there voluntarily they wouldn't have to be dragged kicking and screaming by armed men
>>544194816the referendum to kick out yanukovycvh was started by his own politic party.
>>544194747Nothing to rebut, Sanjeet.
>>544194843Because he fled to Russia to escape impeachment and criminal inquiry.
>>544194812The war started because Russia invaded them.
>>544194837>all this bullshit whataboutism and speculationso the japs in the internment camps were, shoved into the war on the US side and executed?
>>544194846So then why didn't his own politic party impeach him?
>>544194800Because that’s what poos do>>544194812Kek
>>544194666That's what "impeach" means. The words are used interchangeably because they are interchangeable.Nice selfie, home slice.
>le zelensky is le evil jew putting ukranian draft dodgers into buses! How terrible! *cries in Russian crocodile tears*Your shilling is so transparent. It's boring.
you know what happened to draft dodgers here during vietnam? they went to jailnot to the front to get murdered
>>544194877i dont know, but his party voted for him to not have his job because he abandoned the country. i kind of feel bad for yanukovych, because he was just typical post-soviet corrupt oligarch that got fucked by putin.
>>544194862Oh is that the angle you're going with shillboy?You're going to pretend that fleeing somehow made him immune to impeachment? Well you're gunna have to prove that excuse buddy.
>>544194924>R-RUSSIAN SHILL, YOU'RE A RUSSIAN SHILL, ONLY A RUSSIAN SHILL WOULD BRING UP JEWS KIDNAPPING GOYIM FOR A BULLSHIT NOTHING WAR
>>544194924We can smell you devika
>>544194927Would have been better to send them to Vietnam
>>544194864it literally didn't, the war started between Ukrainians and Ukrainians when Ukrainians (openly backed by western glowniggers) overthrew Ukraine's democratically elected leader.
>>544194964wait... so who is killing ukrainians?
>>544194966Pajeets support Russia, nice try though.
>>544194998The war literally started when Russia invaded and tried to take Kiev, but failed miserably.
>>544195002Zelensky
>>544194916NO IT ISN'T RETARDAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA>he doesn't knowThey were supposed to impeach him, but they didn't - do you know why? Once again you NAFO trannies are showing that you don't even know the most basic fundamental facts.
>>544195004You’re half right ranjeetexcept there is no Russia There’s only chabad
>>544194998not quite. yanukovych tried to make a trade organisation with europe and putin chimped out and then started bombing ukraine. yanukovych then panicked and tried to cancel the trade deal, but everyone was pissed off so they protested, then yanukovych asked his political party for help and they told him no, so he packed up and fled to russia and got voted out
>>544195023>I-IT'S KYIV, BIGOT
>>544194875You don't actually care about any of this, you just want to spin this in favour of Russia.
>>544194877>>544194951Because he fled to Russia to escape impeachment and criminal inquiry, Sanjay.How many times must things be repeated for a shitskinned subhuman before it gets through your vantablack nigger skull?>immune to impeachmentYes, an impeachment trial implies that he stands trial. He's not going to be able to stand trial while he fled to Russia, dragging it out for years, turning it into some constitutional crisis as elections had already happened.So: an interim government put into place by an elected parliament sufficed, until elections happened as scheduled.So, in summary: elections happened as scheduled. Yanukovych fled to Russia to escape criminal inquiry after he went too far in cracking down on protests. "MUH COUP" is the cry of retarded subhumans. You are brown.
>>544194941>i dont knowWell I do so maybe you should shutup and let the people who actually know wtf they're talking about discuss it lmao
>>544195030really? zelensky is one bombing ukraine? interesting.
>>544195002>>544195023>>544195030Shiteating samefag in 2026
>>544195023The war had literally been going on for nearly a decade by that point
>>544195078you dont seem to know much about the topic though. you even didnt know that party of regions voted him out. and its not like yanukovych was very good president. people voted for him because they wanted neutral relationship with europe and russia, but putin demanded ukraine not be a neutral country, so people got upset about it and protested and yanukovych instead of sticking to his promises just fled to russia lol
>>544195079
>>544195109No, a full scale war had not been on going by that point.
>>544192293What if you don't GET IN THE DAMN FUCKING VAN RIGHT FUCKING NOW!?
>>544195076Prove that the Ukrainian Parliament can't vote to impeach him because he's not there.
>>544195144so who is one killing ukrainians? is there some foreign country attacking their country or something? hmm
>>544193291>07:08:49>>544193305>07:09:13This nigger has a 4chan pass
PAU NO CU DO SCAVONE!
I am so, so hot. The bunker is packed with Tyrone`s. Such bliss and sexual happiness. Love and Kisses, Zelensky
>>544195162If you don’t get in the van you are an antisemite
>>544195117The democratic way to remove a president is to IMPEACH him little buddySo once again - why wasn't he impeached?Go ask an AI if you have to, but I'm going to find it hilarious if it hides the answer from you.
>>544195204Does azov also get diapers since they are part of chabad/globohomo?
>>544195158damn it turns out civil wars grow when international powers get involvedMaybe you shouldn't throw your country into a civil war?
>>544192293I think they are fighting because some kike shoved them into a van.
>>544195226They didhttps://www.kyivpost.com/post/7028
>>544195226>impeachKek Ukraine is fully occupied and has been since Barry soetoro ran his coup
>>544195043Impeachment is the first step in the process you dumb fuck and you even ignored that it was also stated in the title link I posted. You're honestly mentally disabled and I suggest you go visit the tiger enclosure at your nearest zoo.
>>544195226every political party including his own party voted him out because he abandoned country and joined russia. are you claiming that yanukovych's own party was working against him or something?
>>544195295AHAHAHHAHATHEY'RE LITERALLY LYING TO YOU
>>544195266It wasn't a civil war either.
TKD
>>544195324@grok what's the minimum number of votes required by the Ukrainian parliament for impeachment?
>>544195329The Ukrainian parliament voted to impeach Yanukovych, yes or no?
They’re coming for the US next!!!Send helppppppp
>>544195388@grok what's the minimum number of votes required by the Ukrainian parliament for impeachment?
>>544195388>Ukrainian parliamentTOP KEK
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>>544195413>On February 22, 2014, Ukraine’s Verkhovna Rada (parliament) voted 328–0 to remove Viktor Yanukovych from the presidency.every single politician includingf his entire party voted to kick him out xD why are you trying to LARP like he was some martyr? he was just corrupt oligarch who sold himself out
>>544195446@grok what's the minimum number of votes required by the Ukrainian parliament for impeachment?
>>544195329Impeachment is the process of bringing formal charges against a government official for wrongdoing or a crime committed while in office. Removal from office is the separate step that may follow: after the official is impeached (charged), a trial is held, and if the official is convicted, they are removed from their position.They just skipped to the removal from office part because he just up and fled to Russia and abandoned his post and constitutional duties after he knew that he and his police force fucked up with the crackdowns. He wasn't coming back.They skipped to the removal from office part because they could, because the constiution allowed them to, and because he had in fact abandoned his office.
>>544195462there isnt even a single politician that dissented xD you have no serious argument at all.
>>544195388No. They couldn't get enough votes for a proper impeachment AND it was too slow of a process to their liking, so they voted to acknowledge his "self-elimination from presidential duties," which is not an actual constitutional clause.But it was still good enough for the rule of law, because it's pro-their side.
>>544195462>>544195413Stop following copedex Or I’ll bully you onto another one of your VPNs Pooboy
>>544195522so yanukovych's own political party who voted to kick him out were secretly trying to save his career?
>>544195486>they just skipped the Impeachment part FOR NO REASON AT ALL hmmmm that sounds a bit strange.... are you sure they didn't skip that part because they didn't have enough DEMOCRATIC VOTES to do it?
>>544192327the us also gave them security guarantees if russia invaded but it was more of a guideline than an agreement I guess
>>544195493And yet they still didn't have enough votes for impeachment... isn't that strange?I wonder what happened to all the dissenting politicians.....
>>544195553it was unanimous decision with 0 dissent to remove yanuokoych, this included deputies in his own political party. are you claiming the party of regions was not yanukovych's party?
>>544195594>it was unanimous
>>544195553>>544195588Jidf Poo jeet spam repeating himself
>>544195588they had all deputies vote against him after he abandoned the country after dragging kiev into protests because he sold out to putin after promising for ukraine to remain neutral and open trade with other countries. when putin threatened him and started embargo and bombing ukraine in 2013-14 period, he bent the knee which caused even his own party to turn on him. when maidan happened and yanukovych tried to use violence to suppress it, he lost all support and then realised it was over and fled country. so his party voted to kick him out. your argument is strange because you are claiming that yanukovych's own political party, friends, deputies, etc, supported him, yet none of them supported him after he abandoned his country.
>>544195657yes yes wow so many votesbut still not enough votes for impeachment.... why?
>>544195639yes, there was not a single dissent vote. his own party were ones to organise it as well, so you are trying to claim that yanukovych secretly planned to have himself kicked out or something? i mean obviously putin just used him as tool in order to justify russian military attacks.
>just let us kill you!!!!
>>544195004complete bullshitukro shill lies as he breathes
>>544195639>>544195657>fuck you bloody>no fuck you bloodyAre you the same poojeet or in the same discord as eachother?
>>544195226>why wasn't he impeachedBecause he vanished from his office and was more concerned with packing his suitcases with millions of dollars to flee to russia. He was unreachable by his own party leadership, which created a vacuum of power and so parliament invoked "circumstances of extreme urgency" and relied on Paragraph 7 of Article 85 of the Constitution of Ukraine, which grants parliament the power to schedule early presidential elections. Yanukovych fled to russia, instead of staying in his Donetsk, Luhansk or Kharkiv residences and trying to resolve the crisis, he removed himself from his duties. It's actually funny, how you pidor shills try to claim that the subsequent Ukrainian presidents and governments were somehow illegitimate when even russia recognized all the elections in Ukraine as legitimate since May 2014.You can't have it both ways, claiming that the invasion in 2022 was necessary because the government in Ukraine is illegitimate since 2014 AND having recognized them for 8 years, signing documents and agreements with these "illegitimate" governments and presidents.
>>544195686again, you are trying to frame it as if yanukovych's own political party supported him but they didnt, they were ones who motioned for him to be expelled from party, which is what happened. i dont get why you are trying to claim that party of regions voted in support of him when they didnt.
>>544195688So what happened to all the dissenters?
>>544195553You're the kind of special person who thinks you can hack the justice system and make yourself conviction proof if you just don't show up for trial.
>>544195700Yeah ok but why wasn't he impeached?
>>544195700well their propaganda doesnt work because their story doesnt make sense. yanukovych was part of party of regions, and party of regions voted to expel him from the party after he fled country.>>544195731there wasnt as there were 0 dissenting votes even from his own party.
>>544195700A new ID responding to a post in the thread like they are in the middle of the conversation with the same typing style and word format as two other flags in the threadMore samefagging? Kek
>>544195715I'm trying to frame it as if they didn't have enough votes to democratically impeach him, because they didn't.A fact you continuously refuse to acknowledge.
>>544195742I notice that you never responded to getting BTFO on the impeachment claims
>>544195553They skipped the impeachment part because he fled to Russia, along with dozens of other high ranking officials and police, because they knew that they were fucked. There were no charges required, because he abandoned his office and fled to Russia.If they wanted to stick around for the democratic part after shooting people in the street and beating people to death, they could have.They chose not to, and to spend the rest of their life in Russia.So, I guess they couped themselves by fleeting?It's like this: if I would abandon my job by not showing up, and then I call them up and complain a few weeks later about them "COUPING" me when they fire me and hire someone else.In this case though, it'd also be like me beating the shit out of a few of my co-workers and shooting another one. I escape criminal prosecution, they sweet it all under the rug to save themselves the trouble of months or years of bullshit, but they just fire my ass instead.
>>544195770So what happened to the dissenters then?
>>544195794because you are trying to claim that the party of regions supported yanukovych when they voted to expel him from party. you cant keep consistent narrative at all. if yanukovych had supporters people would have defended him, but his own party voted against him because he abandoned the country. party of regions was already pretty fucked up because of putin's intervention by trying to break ukrainian neutrality, as putin intervened and threatened war if ukraine had trade agreements with other countries.>>544195847there werent because the party voted to expel yanukovych.
>>544195827Once again, you have to prove that fleeing makes him immune to impeachment.
>>544195847Can you give the name of a single dissenter? You seem to know a lot about them and the consequences of their vote
>>544195884fleeing country, abandoning post and defecting to country that is bombing you is pretty good reason to vote someone out of politics, which is why hisd own political party kicked him out.
>>544195874If there weren't dissenters then why didn't they have enough votes to impeach him?
ITT - cow worshippers arguing gentile politics with eachother
>>544195914but they had unanimous vote to kick him out of office, from vote started by his own political party. are you claiming that yanukovych's political party did not vote against yanukovych?
>>544195776you're delusional and just imagining things, take your meds
>>544195898I know exactly what happened to the dissenters which is why it's so amusing to watch you shills tie yourselves in circles trying to pretend they didn't exist but that you also somehow magically didn't have enough votes to impeach him.
>>544195964there were 0 dissenters. party of regions voted uniamously to expel yanukovych from their party and also voted unamiously to remove him from office. there were 0 politicans or deputies in party of regions that voted in favour of yanukovych.
>>544195959The correct democratic method for removing a president in the Ukrainian system is to impeach him.
>>544195964But you can't give the name of even a single one of them?
>>544195884"Immune" to impeachment doesn't matter, you retarded shitskin.The constitution gave them an easier way to remove him from office, because he abandoned his office and constitutional duties.They did not need to bring charges against him in the first place, the "impeachment" part.Trump has been impeached multiple times. He just wasn't removed from office.Yanukovych skipped straight to removal from office.You seem to be confused about what, legally, "impeachment" is. Just because the newspaper used that word and didn't dive into the specific, autistic legal issues doesn't mean anything."Impeachment" is bringing of charges. "Removal from office" follows. Probably because you are brown.
>>544195998so your argument is that the democratically elected party of regions that voted to kick out their own politician was not acting democratically? ironically many ukrainians would agree with you, which is why maidan started in first place.
>>544195993>there were no dissenters>but also we didn't have enough votes to impeach himWill you ever square this circle or will you continue pretending this discrepancy doesn't exist?
>>544196015>easier wayWas the proper way too hard or something?
>>544196042because you are actively ignoring the fact that yanukovych's own political party voted to expel him from the country. there were 0 dissenting votes to that motion, even from party of regions. if it was a debated issue, there would at least be 1 vote in favour of yanukoych but there were 0.
>>544196031Why is there a minimum number of votes required for impeachment little buddy? Let me guess.... that inconvenient little rule is there FOR NO REASON AT ALL and you can just ignore it?!??
>>544196080There were many in his party who did NOT vote to impeach him - what happened to them?
>>544196139if your claim is that majority of people wanted to support yanukovych, then why did his entire party vote against him and vote to remove him from office and vote to kick him out of party without 1 single opposition vote to this motion
>>544196187>his entire party vote against himWRONG
>>544195759the constitutional crisis was unfolding in real time and the action had to be swift to resolve the ongoing vacuum of power, so the parliament, as the only functioning branch of government, resolved it with the tools at their disposal. This was done by the overwhelming majority of deputies of ALL parties represented in the parliament. Which in itself was a miracle,because typically getting so many deputies from the whole political spectrum to agree on something was like herding cats. The crisis was severe enough that all parties, including Yanukovych's own party (73% voted for this procedure) agreed it had to be dome this way. The Constitutional court agreed that it was legit.
>>544196181nothing? party of regions was unpopular because of yanukovych backing down from his campaign promises. in democracy people have the right to protest against government if it doesnt fulfill promise of the people. which is why yanukovych ended up fleeing because he sold out to russian intelligence services and why his entire party voted to remove him from office.
>>544195963>take your medsYou’re all poojeets until proven to be kikes
>>544196237so how come not a single party of regions deputy voted in favour of yanukovych? not even 1. not even 1 of any party. 0 votes in favour of him. and it was party of regions that voted for the motion to suspend his membership in partty. if yanukovych was such a martyr how come 0 people came to his defense?
>>544196242Oh why was it a constitutional crisis?
>>544196063>too hardYeah, because a number of the parliament had fled to Russia after they realized that they'd be criminally investigated, convicted, and may spend time in an Eastern European prison.I wouldn't flee to Russia but I sure as fuck would flee if I was guilty, too. Wouldn't want to end up like this retarded spic, dying of pneumonia.But what's more important: they didn't need to impeach him and spend months or years with some sort of political circus.They didn't need to bring charges at all, to remove him from office. Because he had in fact abandoned his office and fled the country.You seem to be confused about what the purpose of "impeachment" is -- it is to bring charges to convict.No conviction or political circus spanning months or years was needed. He "self-couped." He did not need to be impeached. That's why you are retarded.
>>544196272because sitting president was working for russian intelligence and fled country? i would say it doesnt get much worse than that
>>544196063Considering Russia refused to hand him over to Ukrainian authorities they just went right to the removal part. Have you ever heard of the term in-absentia and its legal precedence. You've been constantly BTFO up and down this thread considering your premise was that Yanukovich wasn't removed according to democratic rules when multiple anons have provided multiple sources of evidence to the contrary.
Discussing Esau gambit like good little bioweapons
>>544196245>his entire party voted to remove him from office.Now that I've pointed out that this is WRONG, but you're still saying it, you're now LYING.
>>544192293yeah they get forcibly thrown in vans to be then blown up in smithereens and I'm paying my taxes for it, keep up the good work
Oy veyyyy
>>544196328if im lying how come there were 0 votes in support of yanukoych and party of regions voted against him? not even 1 person of any party came to vote in favour of him.
>>544196268Yes that is a very good question - how come the remainder of his party didn't vote?Can we perhaps find out the reason?Maybe we can ask an AI?
>>544196281>because a number of the parliament had fled to RussiaOh wow all these people fleeing to Russia for NO REASON AT ALL this all starting to sound a bit strange and undemocratic bro....
This is what you niggers look like
>>544196365because party of regions was falling apart due to low popularity after they betrayed all their original campaign promises and people were unhappy with them? deputies were resigning in disgrace, especially after yanukovych started using berkut to kill people in maidan and then he fled the country. youre also aware that the "impeachment" you keep ranting about was only 10 votes shy, as it was 328 votes in favour with 0 in opposition. necessary amount was 338. so again, your argument is not very convincing.
>>544196298That sounds pretty simple actually, not a crisis at all - just impeach him lmao
>>544196272>why was it a constitutional crisis?because the executive branch, one of the three branches of government, the one charged with the management of the country collapsed, and its highest functionaries scattered like the rats that they were.
>>544196301I notice you still still STILL haven't replied after I BTFO you on impeachment
>>544196405theyh ad reason because they betrayed their oath of office and were working for foreign intelligence agency. party of regions was elected on campaign promise to be neutral, and when yanukovych ebtrayed that promise people protested it. then it became revealed he was working with foreign intelligence and maidan happened. then he started killing people with police orders so naturally people wanted to avoid legal prosecution. but many party of regions did not resign or abandon their office so your argument doesnt really make sense. if there was "coup" why wasnt the party of regions destroyed? and if it was a "coup" why did the party of regions vote to kick out yanukovych? are you suggesting yanukovych couped himself?
>>544196298Dont try explaining anything to a vpn rutranny. Especially considering that both -ACKnukovich and Shalomov fled their respective capitals when things went south, unlike khazar bvll Jewlensky.
>>544196347Hmmm is it possible that there's a third option that is neither voting FOR impeachment nor voting AGAINST????? Would a polish intellectual be able to conceive such a third position?
>>544196424you dont think it would be a crisis if prime minister of australia decided to cancel all of australia's trade agreements and sign one sided "deals" with china and then it was revealed was working directly with chinese intelligence and making private money on the side for it at the expense of australian people? that would not be a crisis for you?
>>544195043>Alludes to "the most basic facts">Doesn't say themRussia's puppet fled to Moscow because he knew he'd be safe there from the Ukrainians he betrayed.That is the only basic fact that will ever matter.
>>544196421So they all just resigned?
the only difference between russia and north korea is that north korea has working nukes
>>544196405>fleeing to Russia for NO REASON AT ALLProbably because their party was ultimately responsible for shooting people in the street as they cowered behind garbage cans and beating people to death for protesting the fact that their party reneged on an election promise.That's probably the reason, you retarded shitskin. They would most likely be investigated and convicted of something. So, those that were guilty of *something* took the coward way out by fleeing to another country instead of staying in the democracy to face trial.
>>544196494because choosing to not vote is not voting "no", its just not voting. not even 1 person voted to defend yanukovych for simple reason that there was nothing to defend, which is why party of regions kicked him out of their own party. its strange, its like you argue that yanukovych intended to get himself kicked out of office
This guy is Russian
>>544196438Oh why did they scatter?
>>544196523no, they didnt all resign as many party of regions members voted to kick out yanukovych and party of regions kicked him out of party and were ones to organise the vote to remove him from office as he abandoned the country.
>>544196424>sounds pretty simplemaybe to an unsophisticated mind, who only sees the russian propaganda talking points and believes them. Yanukovych literally placed russian citizens in charge of the Ukrainian SBU and military.
This guy is also russian
>>544196475>legal prosecutionWouldn't you have to impeach people before you prosecuted them?
>>544196424It's even simpler: they didn't need to impeach him, as has been explained multiple times to a subhuman like you. Because he abandoned his office. So they went straight to the "removal from office" part.
>>544192703It's some FSB propaganda spread far and wide since the beginning of this war to portray Ukraininans as a bunch of lgbt queers unlike the based and trad Ruskis who take it up the ass like real men
So is this guy
>>544196609yanukovych had abandoned the country at that point and joined a foreign government. what was there left to do?
>>544196506That wouldn't cause any contradictions in the constitution at all we'd simply remove him!Unless of course.... there was something in the constitution which said we COULDN'T remove him hmmmmmmmmMmMMmMmmmmmmmmmmmmmm that might cause a constitutional crisis
>>544196562>Oh why did they scatter?oh, you know, they didn't feel like being arrested for treason, corruption, embezzlement ... things like that. It happens all the time the world over, when corrupt government official flee prosecution.
>>544196510Safe from what?
All of these people are Russian as well
>>544196658would you "simply" remove him? because you are arguing that countries shouldnt be able to remove politicians that defect to other countries.
>>544196550he just knew what would happen to him if US funded terrorists got to him
Look at all of these Russians hereHoly shit
>>544192293Could it be? Noooo. Come on man, everyone knows Ukrainians secretly love Russia and wish to join the great Russian third Rome.....HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAJHAHHAHAHAHHAH... hhaaaaaaa.... oh boy... whoo.
>>544196550Gee it's almost as if something was happening in the capital which made them feel unsafe hmmmmmmm
>>544192293Donbas is Russian territory so... Ukraine is invading!
>>544196494>>544196506Why are you arguing about the past?Today there are two options - ukraine surrenders before all ukrainians die, all ukrainians die and it surrenders after thatAfter the war remaining part will be sold on auction to all parties, including business from usa, russia and so onI would call factions different way based on their economic activities and power base, those jews are just part those two factions >>544196372those factions are already more or less defined for the next part of the century
>>544196713yeah, maidan protests that started because yanukovych was working for a foreign government and betrayed all his campaign promises. do you believe that people should not have a right to protest?
And these are the Russianest Russians in existence
>>544196713>50pbtid and still can't give the name of a single dissenter or what happened to them
>>544196551>the polish intellectuals brain STILL can't conceive of the third position holy shit you're actually retarded lmao
>>544196760there wasn't a "third position". the question that party of regions wanted answered was what to do with yanukovych, and party of regions determined he should not be allowed in the party and therefore not in government. the rest of ukraine agreed with 0 people voting in defense of yanukovych.
>>544196760You’re still arguing with yourself or another faggot in your discord?
>>544196575Were there any party members that neither resigned nor voted to "remove" Yanukovych?
>>544196612>akshually we didn't need to impeach himwhat was the constitutional crisis then?
>>544196829of course there were resignations because the party of regions was collapsing due to yanukovych betraying all his campaign promises and the people turning against him and demanding explanations. party of regions members resigned in disgrace or in protest against yanukovych, which is why 0 people voted in defense of yanukovych. and thats just 1 party. the entire ukrainian political system was involved from all factions and not 1 person voted in favour of yanukovych.
>>544196657ummm impeach him?
>>544196866a sitting president abandoning country and defecting to hostile government.
>>544196889they did, not a single person came to defend yanukovych. if yanukovych was popular and had support at least 1 person would support him but nobody did. in your opinion what should ukraine have done? existed without a government?
>>544196658he was convicted of treason in-absentia in January 2019, it took almost 5 whole years to go through the process. Everyone in the Parliament realized something had to be done immediately to resolve the crisis, and they did per powers vested in the Parliament by the constitution.
>>544196667isn't it lucky that all the politicians who disagreed with you and felt unsafe to remain in the capital, we're all secretly somehow guilty anyway!
>>544196713>make retarded decision to renege on an election promise by joining the euro-asiatic-trade union instead of the euro-trade union, after years of corruption and stealing money, getting myself a gold toilet and a 1600s spanish ship replica for my mansion>"I FEEL SAFE">starts directing my police force to beat people to death for protesting my retarded decision to renege on this election promise in November 2013>"I FEEL UNSAFE">direct my police force to shoot dozens of people in the head with sniper rifles as they hide behind garbage cans in February 2014>"I FEEL UNSAFE">flee the country, never to return>russian authorities refuse to hand me over>parliament votes to remove me from office, 328-0, constitutionally, not needing to impeach me because I fled and abandoned my office>"WHY DID YOU COUP ME BRO I FELT UNSAFE"
>>544196985many party of regions members did not abandon thheir positions or resign, so you argument isnt really making any sense. are you suggesting that the party of regions was threatening each other?
>>544196686by following the procedures set out in our constitution of courseunless there is some reason why we couldn't.....
>>544197025but you didn't answer the question. what should ukraine have done? existed without any government? the majority of ukraine deputies from all political parties agreed with choice to remove yanukovych after he defected to foreign country. there were 0 people opposed to this vote. according to you that isnt democratic process, but you are not providing what should have happened in your vision.
>>544196795@grok what are the 3 different results that can show up on a politicians voting record?
>>544196880read the questions again ESL and answer properly this time
>>544197085is your argument that people not voting should be included as a vote? the majority of deputies voted in favour of removing yanukovych, there were 0 deputies in favour of keeping yanukovych. why should ukraine have kept yanuykovych when 0 people supported keeping yanukovych?>>544197121your argument is that people not voting = a vote but thats not h ow democratic systems work. you cast a vote to determine a position and the choice was between kicking yanukovych out of govt or allow him to stay. 0 people voted to keep yanukovych in government.
>>544196748>>544197013>dw after armed men took control of the capital and chased away all the politicians with the wrong opinion, everyone remaining voted to remove the president>nevermind that there now weren't enough votes to actually impeach him because we chased a quarter of the entire parliament awaynot sounding very democratic if we're being honest
>>544197013>direct my police force to shoot dozens of people in the head with sniper rifleswait a sec, shillbro - this was long ago proven to have happened from opposition-controlled buildingshttps://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2658245
>>544197149You said HIS ENTIRE PARTY VOTED TO "remove" HIMNow you admit that there we're people who didn't vote?
>>544196985>all the politicians who disagreedwrong, some from his inner circle fled, others stayed, some were arrested later, many weren't. You're working from the russian propaganda narrative of black and white, but in reality most of the party of regions functionaries and financial backers stayed, there weren't any sweeping purges, widespread arrests and executions.
>>544197210but the party of regions was not "chased away", they were the ones who organised the vote against yanukovych. are you suggesting that the party of regions organised the maidan protests against yanukovych and that the party of regions attacked itself?>>544197246yes, there were 0 votes in favour of yanukovych, not 1 person voted in his favour.
>>544197250and yet not enough stayed to impeach himhmmmmmm
>>544197295but they did, as everyone agreed to remove him from office. if it was not impeachment, how come 0 people voted to keep yanyukovych in office?
>>544197283but that is not the same thing as his entire party voting for it my lying little jew
>>544197325it was not impeachment because it was not impeachment my little lying jew
>>544197336are you really going to play a game of technicality and then call other people jewish? 0 people voted in favour of yanukovych. the party of regions voted against yanukovych with 0 party of regions deputies voting in support.
>>544196677From the citizens of the country he betrayed.They were going to put him in prison, even tho he deserved immediate and painful death.Reminder: In civilized lands, heads of state aren't ruling tyrants. They're people who are ENTRUSTED with power.>>544196701Any person who allies with Russian against their own country deserves to be not just killed, but tortured long and hard.It is the worst possible betrayal.Literally attempting to damn the country's future forever over personal gain.NOBODY except idiots and rape-babies is confused about what Russia is.
>>544197377Did his entire party vote to impeach him or not moshe?hardmode: no lying
>>544197368okay, you are clearly very low IQ so let me explain this to you like you are 10 years old:we are organising a group dinner for neighbourhood, there are 50 people. 1 person is responsible for calling and placing the food order. we are voting between chicken or pork for dinner. in order to win the vote, we need 45 people voting in favour of either pork or chicken.however, the 1 guy who organises the dinner decides to become vegan and flees the neighbourhood. now we have to organise the dinner without him so we vote.out of 49 people, 42 vote in favour of chicken, 0 vote for pork, and 7 do not vote at all.according to you, instead of ordering chicken, the entire neighbourhood should starve.
>>544197295what? you sound like a broken record fixated on "muh impeachment", you're conflating the parliament and the executive. 73% of the party of regions, which was the majority in the parliament, voted to remove him and call for the new election. This was the appropriate action AND the subsequent elections WERE recognized even by russia. This retarded running in circles to justify the invasion in 2022 is truly pathetic.
>>544197397The citizens were going to EXTRA JUDICIALLY put him in prison?Fuck no wonder he fled....
>>544197216No it wasn't.I've made many posts about this Canadian retard.The thread is dead in 30 minutes anyways so I'd have to look back in the archive.He's not a crime scene investigator, nor did he consult with any crime scene investigators. This paper was ripped apart by one.
>>544197459>and the rule about needing 3/4 for impeachment was just put there FOR NO REASON AT ALL so we can just ignore itoops vast swathes of the country disagree with you
>>544197468people wanted to put him on trial aftre he ordered police to kill protestors. remember that yanukovych was also threatened by putin in sochi, which is why yanukovych panicked to begin with. yanukovych was just corrupt oligarch who sold out and was kicked out of politics by people who wanted less corruption. this is somehow a great problem for you.>>544197526again, according to your logic the entire neighbourhood should starve to death despite 42 people voting in favour of chicken with 0 people voting for pork because 45 was not reached. is it really worth continuing a conversation with someone with blatantly such low intelligence?
>>544197460No impeachment is the appropriate way to remove a president and yet for some strange reason they didn't do it hmmmm
>>544197468>EXTRA JUDICIALLYNah, that's Russia's thing.When you bow to Russia, you lick boot and enjoy tyranny until you are either genocided like the Tatars, or some braver future generation frees you from the mistakes of past cowards.The only law under Russian occupation is "you live for Russia's benefit now".That's why the Donbass doesn't have any men left.
>>544197575328 of 338 votes were reached. among those votes included yanukovych's own political party. 0 deputies of any political party voted in support of yanukovych. according to you that isnt democratic.
>>544197567according to your logic you should just ignore the democratic rules that you don't likeWHOOPS the people who did like those rules now don't want to be in a country with you anymore
>>544197592Ah well you see... if they were doing it judiciously they'd have to impeach him
>>544197624because the head of government abandoned his post and country and abandoned his position. that was not normal situation. and you are trying to argue the case that people supported yanukovych when 0 people voted in support of yanukovych,.
>>544197397>if you don't submit to us we will rape and kill youok? lol
>>544197611I TRIED SO HARDAND GOT SO FARBUT IN THE ENDI ONLY HAD 328 AND NOT THE 338 I NEEDEDWhoops bad luck buddy
>>544197694indeed, bad luck for yanukovych who received 0 votes of support from any political party and is now a literal who living off russian taxes and forgotten by entire world.
>>544197658>they'd have to impeach himLike the other guys said: Not if he abandons his office and flees to an enemy state.Fucking obvously.There's a reason why only stupid people support Russia.
>>544197663Can you not impeach someone who abandoned their position?That sounds like extra reason to impeach them!
kek...dude was about to get assassinated>NOOOO YOU CAN'T FLEE TO RUSSIA>YOU MUST STAY SO WE CAN MURDER YOUahahahahahahahow many public servants did Kyiv murder again?at least a fuckin dozennow these fuckin faggots want to pretend to be playing by the rulesjust outright scum
>>544197747they did, and somehow this is a problem for you. with 0 people voting to support yanukovych, he had no supporters around to defend him.
>>544197742Why would that have any bearing on impeaching him?
>>544197747Impeachment is the process of trying an official.Once they physically flee justice to an enemy state, its a de facto confession of everything.Only Russians are stupid and dishonest enough to PRETEND not to understand this.Have your lies saved your country yet?Still working on it?
>>544197715bad luck for Ukraine who couldn't adhere to the laws of their own democracy so they found themselves in a civil war which has lasted over a decade and resulted in millions of deaths
>>544197777Asked and answered.
>>544197758the protests in maidan happened after yanukovych broke his campaign promises and was caught working for russian intelligence. people protested. putin threatened yanukovych if he didnt contain the protests, so yanukovych ordered violent attacks against protestors, spiraling the situation. putin used that chaos to start moving military assets into ukraine and killing ukrainian people. yanukovych then packed up and fled. yanukovych's political party then urged for ukraine to remove him from office, which ukraine did with 0 people voting to support yanukovych.
>>544197770They didn't and you keep lying like a jew
>>544197810there is no civil war in ukraine. the russian military is attacking them. and ukraine did adhere to their laws, as yanukovych abandoned the country and was kicked out of politics by his own political party, with 0 people voting to defend yanukovych.
>>544197794Impeachment is the process for removing the president bud
>>544197838they did. not 1 person voted to defend yanukovych. if people wanted yanukovych, you would think at least 1 person would vote for him.
>>544197852The people who disagreed with you decided not to join your new democracy after you overthrew their previous democracy bud.
>>544197929nothing was "overthrown" in ukraine. the ukraine parliament was not shut down, and party of regions continued to exist. so your arugment doesnt even work in this case either.
>>544197871What's the minimum number of votes required by the Ukrainian constitution for impeachment you lying jew?
>>544197959under normal circumstances, 338. and 328 votes were reached in favour of removing yanukovych including from hamong his own party. 0 people voted to support yanukovych. yanukovych fled to russia and abandoned politics completely, and did not even protest the decision. he has been living in russia anonymously ever since, no longer useful politically.
>>544197955the president was extrajudicially removed as you yourself have admitted many times, but continue to lie about at the same time
>>544198032not really, because it was the party of regions who organised the vote and used a legal vote to do so. 0 people voted in support of yanukovych.
>>544198018Why are 338 votes required?
>>544198079under normal circumstances without a president defecting to a foreign country. but the president defected to a foreign country and ukraine did not have any president. so the party of regions, yanukovych's party, said that he needed to be removed from government so ukraine could hold elections again. yanukovych did not protest, and putin forbade him fro mreturning to ukraine. then the party of regions voted against yanukovych, and all other political parties in ukraine voted against yanukovych. 0 people voted in favour of yanukovych, not a single deputy voted to support him. not even 1 person lol
>>544198147Why? What is the purpose of that rule?
>>544198173to represnt consensus. during the vote yanuykovych's political party organised against yanukovych, ukraine agreed that it was a special situation because yanukovych defected to russia. so everyone agreed to remove him after winning 328/338 votes. 0 votes supported yanukovych. so everyone agreed majority won the vote and with 0 people protesting it, he was removed from office. do you believe that 0% of people should control the majority?
>>544198297How come the rule doesn't just require consensus then?How come the rule SPECIFICALLY requires a minimum number of the entire electoral body to be present and vote?
>>544198374because under normal circusmtances, this represents consensus. however, the president had defected to a foreign country and was not longer acting as president so ukraine had no working president. the party of regions decided that they needed to kick yanukovych out of their party and opened the floor up for other parties to express their agreement or disagreement. the majority agreed with 0 people disagreeing, and so the party of regions removed yanukovych from their party. are you claiming that yanukovych's political party did not behave democratically?
>>544198446Wait perhaps they wanted to make sure that an impeachment vote ONLY happened under normal circumstances
>>544198532but that didnt happen, because yanukovych defected to a foreign country so his own political party decided he needed to be removed from office.
>>544192703Reddit Legion getting blown up up was definitely real.
>>544198591Yes armed men taking control of the government buildings and chasing away everyone who disagrees with them is a very abnormal circumstance.The constitution writers were very wise to account for that.
>>544192979>seriously WHY DOES ANYONE DEFEND THIS BULLSHITDead russians makes me feel good on the inside!
>>544198655thats simply untrue, as yanukovych's own political party voted in favor of removing yanukovych and organised the vote. and the maidan protests only escalated after yanukovych was threatened by putin in sochi and after putin began a bombing campaign of eastern ukrainian people in 2014 after launching a trade embargo against ukraine in 2013. so yanukovych panicked and ordered berkut to start assaulting people, which caused riots. around 100+ civilians were killed by berkut. 0 party of regions members were killed by berkut or protestors, and party of regions members even resigned in protest against yanuykovych for how he was handling the protestors. then yanukovych defected to russia. with no president in government, the party of regions decided that ukraine should hold elections in order to have a president. yanukovych did not protest this, and he was removed from office with 0 people supporting him.
>>544198760but not quite good enough to put on your big boy boots and do it yourself....
>>544198775then why didn't they have enough votes to impeach him?
>>544198843but they did. the party of regions (yanukovych's political party) said that it wsa exceptional situation. so it was put to a vote. 0 people voted in support of yanukovych. are you arguing that yanukovych's own political party did not follow democratic principles? didnt oyu earlier try to claim it was a coup? but how is it a coup if his own party organised the vote and voted against him? if it was a coup, then there must be at least 1 pesron who voted in support of yanukovych right? but 0 people voted in support of yanukovych.
>>544198932what is the minimum number of votes required for impeachment according to the Ukrainian constitution?
>>544199036338, and 328 votes were reached with 0 votes supporting yanukovych. because yanukovych had defected to a foreign country, yanukovych's political party (who voted in favor of removing him from the party) agreed with the majority opinion (328 vs. 0) that yanukovych should be removed from party. do you believe that 0 is a higher number than 328? do you believe that yanukovych's own political party did not behave democratically? but you claimed it was a coup, so how is it a coup if his own party voted in favour of it?
>>544199094How come you didn't have 338 votes?
>>544199130resignations? there were not even 450 active members of parliament at the time, due to the party of regions fracturing and disintegrating. this was another reason why the party of regions voted to remove yanukovych, because they wanted to ensure they could have government. should ukraine have allowed 0 votes in favor of yanukovych to decide having no president in charge of the country? and why did the praty of regions vote in favor of removing yanukovych with 0 people voting to support yanukovych? why didnt 1 person vote to support yanukovych from any other political party in ukraine? how come nobody protested this decision except putin, who was already bombing ukraine in 2014?
>>544199218How many members of parliament were active?
>>544199094>coup>juntathere's was no other way to delegitimize the new admin12 years later and subiq anglo-mutts still fall to the smell of the shit fan
>>544199280there were 334 parliament active. so 328/334 parliamentary representives (including party of regions) voted in favor of removing yanukovych. 0 voted in favor of keeping yanukovych. also, party of regions used the urkainian constitution to remove yanukovych.
>>544199378The remaining 120 all resigned?
>>544198802Correct, I'm perfectly happy just watching them die in droves from the comfort of my own home! It's just so convenient!
>>544199433most resigned or abandoned their posts (e.g., yanukovych obviously did not act alone when he defected.). this is why the party of regions voted to remove yanukovych from the president, because they themselves admitted their party was distintegrating. are you suggesting that the party of regions did behave democratically by allowing a vote? sure, party of regions could have just kicked out yanukovych by themselves, but they left it for a vote. 0 people voted in favor of yanukovych. the vote was:328 voted in favor of removing ynaukovych from president6 chose not to vote0 voted in favor of yanukovych.according to you this is not democratic lol
>>544199510>or abandoned their postsOh finally you admit it? Why did they "abandon their posts"?
>>544199656i already explained this earlier. the party of regions disintegrated after yanukovych was threanted by putin in sochi and started organising the killing of ukrainian citizens. some resigned out of shame, others resigned to avoid legal reprocussions before it escalated, and some fled alongside yanukovych. the remainder of the party of regions stated that because yanukovych had abandoned his post that he should not be president so they put it to a vote. are you suggesting that the party of regions forced the party of regions to abandon their posts, despite the party of regions remaining to organising a vote against yanukovych?how come 0 people voted in favour of yanukovych? how come your argument is that 0 people should control society?
>>544199733Do all the people who fled say why they fled?
>>544199789of course not, similar to yanukovych, they disappeared in russia and were buried by russian intelligence. thats why the party of regions voted against yanukovych. are you claiming that the party of regions wanted to kill other members of the party of regions?
>>544199847Really none of them said anything about it?Wait.... you're not LYING to me are you moshe?
>>544199892wait, so now you are claiming that the party of regions who voted to remove yanukovych from office and who remained in kiev to carry out this vote were in fact all fleeing from kiev despite the fact they remained in kiev to organised the vote?
>>544199949wait... no... it turns out you're lying like a jew againthey said armed protestors took control of the government buildings and shot at them
>>544200020thats not true, the party of regions organised the vote. nobody was shot except for protestors that were killed by berkut acting under orders of yanukovych. this was one of the reasons yanukovych fled kiev, because his own party wanted to put him on trial for crimes against ukrainians. do you believe that presidents should be allowed to execute members of the public, defect to foreign countries, and ignore decisions made by their own political party? do you believe the party of regions stormed parliament with guns and threatened the party of regions?
>>544200092What's not true is that "they said nothing at all" you lying jew
>>544200121you arent consistent or coherent. you originally made the claim it was a coup, then changed your story and claimed that yanukovych's political party did not follow democratic procedures when they voted yanukovych out of office, now you are claiming that the party of regions was chased out of kiev despite the party of regions staying in kiev to organise the vote.
>>544200195So let's try again moshe Did the Ukrainian politicians who fled say why they fled?
>>544200247no, they disappered into russia after abandoning their own party and country. thats why the party of regions voted to kick out yanukovych. do you believe that politicians who defect to other countries and commit crime should not face legal reprocussions?
>>544200281Yes they did you lying jew
>>544200341no, they didnt. they even abandoned their own political party lol. the party of regions organised the vote against yanukovych, so your argment about it being a coup against the party of regions makes no sense, unless you are arguing the party of regions made a coup against the party of regions and voted against the party of regions to install the party of regions into power. lol
