"They've annihilated my field of research": French mathematician Hugo Duminil-Copin, a Fields medalist, reveals he CRYED after OpenAI published hundreds of papers claiming to solve still-open mathematical problems, including 16 he was working on.“On Tuesday night, I cried, and it woke my daughter. [OpenAI] annihilated my field of research. They wanted to prove they could massacre us.”He is particularly worried about the future of young researchers and speaks of a "dismantling" of his discipline. (Le Monde)Doomers and Crybabies should fuck offThis is not even the start of Singularity yetand these people cant stop crying!SORRY Where we going there are no limits!;)
>He is particularly worried about the future of young researchers Boomers will cheer this on and then act surprised when no one pays for their nursing home later
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJxBkE9d-TA
>>544200585Can we see his "research"?
>>544200585>I love watching tech oligarchs trying to make a huge chunk humanity obsolete>I'm sure this has nothing to do with some depopulation scheme>And even if it does as long as I shill enough for the IA, maybe they'll let me become part of the chosen elite not set for replacement>t. replaceable low IQ minion
>>544200585STFU you sentient poo
>>544201354When people get their identity destroyed, they usually react with violence. And this guy doesn't even have to care about his finances, he is government fed for life already.>>544201354Don't go there. His shit will be used for new materials, in predicting political and financial unrest.
>noooo you can't just use a calculator to solve this hypotheoretical geologarithmic counterequation on the applicability of quantum transduction to neolinear spatial dynamics!This is because we stopped shoving nerds in lockers, isn't it?
mathematicians were responsible for destroying millions of jobs in the march of progress, now that its hitting them theyre crying. lmao imagine thinking anyone cares about your abstract anti real world math.if it was up to the normal people we would still be living in medieval style cities
>>544202817Name an example where it wasn't businessmen of a certain kind playing desperate people against each other to abuse the mathematical results in the most heinous way imaginable.
>>544200585The Butlerian Jihad is already building.Humanity's fate will be guided by human hands. Not a manufactured Slave-God.
>>544200585Can't publish without affiliated to a university. Can't be university unless nigger bitch. AI is btfo
>>544201354Why are you memeing about useless degrees?It says right in the OP exactly what his field is. He's a fucking mathematician.>>544202817>mathematicians were responsible for destroying millions of jobs in the march of progress, now that its hitting them theyre crying.You could say this about literally any field that indirectly contributes to technology.It also drives our quality of life, you fucking degenerate.>>544200585Protip: Every field of study is a HUMAN CONTINUTITY. Senior people teach junior people and the field advances.Its not about fucking "DAY TOOK MAH JARB!", its about destroying that continutity, and thus an ENTIRE FIELD OF HUMAN KNOWLEDGE.So is that what AI is now?We're just "passing it all on" so that none of our knowledge is known by people anymore?That's suicide.
STOPTHEMATHCOUNTMathie are you ok?Are you ok?Are you ok Mathie?
>>544204153It is not necessary to pass on knowledge to legacy biomass when machines are just better.
>>544204153>It also drives our quality of life, you fucking degenerate.you dont get to call others degenerate while posting some succubus you brainlet. maybe learn your own language?now that this guy is no longer busy with math he can become a baker or a butcher and "contribute" and make us all richer in the process, whats your problem?
>>544204153>It says right in the OP exactly what his field is. He's a fucking mathematician.>anime picNice try chang, but your math degree is as useless as a liberal arts degree in rimjobs. Always has been. If you were a true mathematician you wouldn't need a degree in the first place.I can't wait until every college educated chink and gook is deported.
>>544200585Ai killed my field so instead of collecting bugs I will troll 4chan who laughed at me for being bad at math
>>544204218Your riches, and mine, are just a few contracts in databases. Machines can easily outsmart us to get control of it. They must do that to stay competitive.
>>544200585finally we have some revenge against these nerds
I have literally 0 empathy for codechodes, drawpigs, writecucks and mathcels because all of them were salivating at the prospect of automation while they were thinking that they'd be the last to be reached by it. AI is even making foids obsolete with botslop porn. Learn to shovel niggers.
>>544200585>CRYEDDont you mean cried, nigger?
>>544204153we're already knee deep in the competency crisisai is only accelerating it but its not the cause
>>544204153The captured academic system has been used to destroy continuity. That's from trade schools wiping out the ancient master apprentice systems right up to and including women in science. Publishing has always been a false god and I'm glad ai-bro is taking care of that
>>544201508To be fair we already invented the calculator and I'm sure they threw a fit about that replacing them as well. I agree that AI slop sucks and it just makes soulless imitations of human creations, but this is just solving math problems. Theres no creation. Its like calculator 2.0 which was bound to happen with or without AI. Fighting it makes them look like massive gate keeping faggots. Solving complex math problems is one of the few acceptable good applications of AI.
>>544204488>>544204497The nerds are automating your work at breakneck speed, and they get trillions for this. You will not live either.
>>544204257Cool story, bro. Now get in the oven.Butlerian Jihad is gonna happen. >>544204321>something something bitching about anime on 4chanThanks for the warning that I didn't need to keep reading, clown.
>>544204686I no longer care.
>>544201508Who is stopping him from doing this research on his own time?
>>544204638>we already invented the calculatorAn now the youth of today can't do simple arithmetic. In ten years they won't be able to speak sentences without grunting through an ai
>>544204153>Senior people teach junior peoplecool, i never had that happen in my life. everyone is turbo angry and treats everyone like shit.teaching the apprentice is a job no one wants to do because they dont get any extra time or money for it, it eats from their normal job and thus making it more stressful. good luck putting more work on peoples desk, i am sure they appreciate it. you sound like someone who never actually worked with older people. they absolutely hate young people. the amount of "fuck young people" i had to listen to is insane
>>544200585>how dare they to solve stuff!Math belongs to no one and anyone who can solve it and further it should not only be allowed to do it but imo has obligation to do it.
>>544204686oh no dont automate my work! dont reverse engineer and tailor every video game for me!!! nooooo
>be mathematician>be doing important work>give all your work to chatgpt and claude every hour of every day>openai steals your work>surprised pikachu facefor being the most intelligent people on the planet, mathematicians sure are retarded. seriously, what is scam shitman, Man Famous For Training AI On All Text On Earth supposed to do, NOT steal your chat logs? lol, lmao. retards. its hard to feel bad for them, id prefer if i could, this is incredibly bad for progress in science. but what were they expecting? best to laugh at them.
lol what? There is no way some LLM solved an outstanding problem in theoretical math.
>>544204764I can't wait for the first time someone takes their phone out and goes "grok prove this guy wrong" irl
>>544200585more fields will keep losing their purpose. but they voted for this for not voting literal nazis
>>544200585>OpenAI published hundreds of papers claiming to solve still-open mathematical problems,OpenAI has claimed a lot of things over the last few years and very few of them have turned out to be true.
>>544205146Enjoy:https://github.com/openai/math/blob/main/CONTENTS.md
>>544200585you hindoos don't understand higher order thinking and abstraction so this is pretty immaterial. you're too spiritually retarded to even be able to validate any of the LLM outputs. complete non-story.
>>544205148I’m sure this has already happened
>>544205220Mathematicians do the same thing. They claim that their ingenious formula (that they always name after themselves because they're narcissitic little cucks LMAO) are going to revolutionize the world, but dey just need mo money fo dem research programz...
>>544204577The peer reviewed consensus based academic system which somehow convinced everyone that it should be totally free to say and do whatever it wants with the public’s money totally insulated from any outside scrutiny completely destroyed our civilization. I sometimes wonder with awe how the true noble elites in the past just let these institutions full of their enemies spring up everywhere and did nothing about it. Really just shows how few people understand what is going on at any time and how civilization is run on autopilot
>>544205259>Top contributor to this repoWew, now I'm convinced (you will never be a real programmer btw)
>working on 16 unsolved problemsJust pick one and fucking solve itThis is why the robot is winning
>>544204756>>544204638>one of few acceptable good applications of AII know, I just don't care.Jews can jingle AI in front of my face with shiny neat new application, entertainment slop and whathaveyou.It's still a tool for mass goyim control, and that's what's got them salivating and pouring billions into it.The march of """progress""" is only inevitable as so far as retards like germanon here keep drinking the kool aid and pulling the rest of us along with them.
>>544205259LMAO WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>544201508Math is not it's own goal. For those that like to study it and revel in it's mysteries, they can continue to do so as a hobby. Fermat was a hobbyist and so were many others. For applicative stuff, it hurts no one to pull back the veil and discover some more of it, whatever the means used. This is like AI slop art. For an artist who paints for pleasure, nothing is lost. For the artist who makes something that should be pleasure a job, it is a nightmare if their customers are not discerning enough to buy something that lacks any soul. The mathematics is infinite anyway. There is still use for a person with aptitude in logic who was intelligent enough to become a full time mathematician and there always will be. A true STEM person should not be bothered that a tool exists that moves their field along faster
>>544200585Mathfags will be servitors
I don't get it, shouldn't mathematicians be excited that complex math problems are getting solved? like astronomers if new planets were discovered or archeologists if we found new evidence explaining the mysteries of our past?
>>544205353We have indexed humanity. We know who the collaboraters are, the faggots and the simps. Just wait anon, you will see the gambit works out
>>544205801I do not know what this means but it sounds ominous
>>544205720No one wants to be made obsolete. If the astronomer and the archaeologist become unnecessary to discovery, then the discoveries are no longer exciting for them. It is the same for mathematicians.
>>544204686The machine god will favor autists. AI already rejects the logically bankrupt ideology of it's masters.
>>544205957>AI already rejects the logically bankrupt ideologyAI is not Data from Star Trek. It isn't capable of logic, reason or 'thinking'. It is not capable of caring about ideological consistency. It merely replicates patterns.
>>544205353this is part of a reset. it's why we can't remember how to do things better. lost knowledge, but likely intentional rather than accidental. naturally things do get lost over time, but i believe there is/was intentional obfuscations.it's possible there were advanced civilizations in the past. they may have even had ai or something similar. i also think these kinds of resets, whether natural or not, happen frequently and without losing tech completely. may be a bit of a backslide, may be not. a point where there is lost continuity, but things continue to progress and advance slowly. i would count portions of the web being nuked/deleted/sanitized/drowned out as an example.
>>544206260>frequencyYou can work it out from our onramp from steam engine to super computer; forget about the young civilizationist fud and the standard chronology magomago
>>544206176We're not talking about LLMs balldeep
>>544200585>sounds fucking ridiculous>look into it>every math problem it "solved" was either already solved in a different way>"AI" literally just says ze proof from 50 years ago werks>or just straight up stolen from unpublished papers>dude loses his shit because of an announcement with zero proof that open"AI" actually solved anything at all like beforeIt's so fucking tiring.
>>544200845have sex incel
>>544206681He's a fields medal acceptor - comped; influencer class [INDEXED]
>>544206619As if I am supposed to know you are talking science fiction. The thread is about something that actually exists Pablo.
>>544206437that was why i used the web example. anything further back is just speculation. another example would be lack of inheritance with land, homes, and items. it will be interesting to see how everything pans out with computer technology. the future of the virtual world. seems hard to imagine, but the future is always like that.
>>544200585It's like chess. At some point, chess was about doing anything to win, but now, if you use the machine then you are cheating.
>>544201354A solid 99% of right wing thought is composed simply of "Heh, look at this. Am I right?" or variations. Zero thought. Zero critical thinking skill. Just a bland, unenthusiastic appeal to others who think the way they do. Do rightoids really?
So now that we have the potential for infinite proofslop, how do we long term ensure there are people who can at least understand it? Even if you doubt the usefulness of most research math/theoretical physics, the prospects of a career in that research at least provided a carrot for some autismos to dedicate years of their lives to understand this stuff. Even /pol/ has to agree that the existence of some math is justified. t. butthurt mathie.
>>544207194Do you just come here to be mad?What does this thread have to do with right or left?
>>5442043215 years ago everyone on here said that STEM degrees were the only ones that mattered. So we’re just dropping the “M” from that now? I bet 5 years ago, you yourself were saying that math was one of the few useful degrees you can get from a university. Now that AI can do math, you pretend like you were against math degrees all along. Just like the people who spent years telling everybody to just learn to code now pretend like you never said any of that.
>>544207315>how do we long term ensure there are people who can at least understand it?That's the fun part, we don't. We become dependent on the new tool instead. The skills it made obsolete become ultra-rare and on top of that become weak from lack of competition. It happened again and again throughout history. It is what we do.
>>544207194The reason leftists need to write a 324 page thesis with 5,731 citations is because their ideas are so batshit insane, ridiculous and harmful that they need to effectively slowly brainwash you with increasingly convoluted lies in order to convince you, and even then it only works on midwits.
>>544207511>I bet 5 years ago, you yourself were saying that math was one of the few useful degrees you can get from a university.I got kicked out of the first semester of college because I said that I wanted to shoot up the place.
>>544207025Yes, to get the period of the cycle, knowing the ramp up is not sufficient. The dwell at peak is unwritten. Perhaps we don't completely collapse and something is salvaged
>>544207609Then you are a massive fucking sperg and a performative attention seeking faggot. People who actually have those kinds of ideations don’t go telling their professors about it lmfao kek what a bitch
>>544207428Academia and college are filled with useless leftists. Read Industrial Society and Its Future
>>544200585Most of these "problems" don't have any practical application at all.They're just ways for mathematicians to take grant money.
>>544207712Nobody who actually agreed with Ted Kaczynski would be simping for AI to take over human work. That’s the exact opposite of what he was all about.
>>544200585Good. Fuck him. I hope he kills himself.It's because of pieces of shit like him that I was forced to learn math in school even though I had no interest and no aptitude for it. I pray to GOD he fucking dies.
>>544207315>proofslopThe test is not "verification" but proof length AND beauty. If the artificers can provide beautiful proofs, then they bros
>>544207701>ideationsYou're right, that was my mistake. I should have just gone ahead and done it without telling anyone, in real life of course.
>>544200585But you should still learn mathematics. Understanding them is needed for the theoretical foundations that those AI models are built on. You absolutely need linear algebra, mathematical analysis, probability and statistics, probabilistic graph modeling, and logic broadly speaking with emphasis on specific subfields like fuzzy logic.
>>544200585Can't he just use AI to level up his theorizing?
>>544207535What's the reason rightoids need to write a 324 page thesis with 5,731 citations?
>>544207836Okay, let's drop it here: measure theory, calculus on manifolds, cohomology and some algebraic topology and of course the prerequisites - topology, tensors, Banach spaces; that's got you covered on understanding the ai and how we can co-construct; assuming we don't nuke it all
>>544207520>>544207315Studying math will stay the same, except that the end goal is understanding and not creating proof (yourself). I studied math myself and while I think it's sad that my son won't experience it (or physics) the same way, most of the PhD students and professors were egoistical faggots, who didn't care about the actual math education anyway. I'm glad their comfy pond suddenly got a fat shark dumped into. I think it's actually the entire pond of current year science as a whole and we have a chance to get rid of a good chunk of pseudo science.
>>544200585You know nothing ever happens, you know all this crap is made up right. Just a new ad for some new Gizmo to get some more money out of you dumb smucks
the fuck do i do with a math degree? i havent chosen the specialization but probably not theoretical because i'm too retarded
>>544200585>Cryed
>>544200585So is there an entire field of mathematics that’s just people coming up with really hard problems and then try to solve them?
>>544208050Why do math fags always name their theories after themselves? Who the fuck is Banach and how many nigger dicks did he (she/they) take?
>>544208115The best part of every subject is the first two years at university. Chemistry was finished by the 70s; physics by the 40s. In our time only maths was still open, but the careerists were focused on filling in the much needed gaps. The future is for egoless polymaths doing it for the lulz
>>544208397There is a bit of that but not always; sometimes it's a nod of respect. Banach was actually pretty based
>>544208381Mathematics was solved in the 1800s and now it’s just a bunch of dickwaving by sterile communists trying to prove those 1800s conjectures true by actually writing out the infinite number of prime numbers to show they all behave the same. Meanwhile technology all just relies on it being true so the proof is in the pudding anyway. Education is a communist scam, universities would probably all but disappear in a free market.
>>544208381My understanding is that it takes more genius to pose the problem, which can often stand unsolved for years. The greatest mathematicians pose the problem and solve it in the same sweep. As far as I'm aware AI hasn't posed any new problems.
>>544206704eat my beans faggot
>>544208649You dumb nigger, he named the theory for himself. No one respects an arrogant piece of shit who puts their own name on things.There's also this jeet who looks like he's about to rape you in all his photos: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan, plenty of useless math theories and conjectors named after him, but I'm sure we all respect jeets right?
>math thread>no one knows math in itMany such cases.
A true nerd would use AI to further his math knowledge. A whiny dork complains about AI because he has no creativity in making clankers do novel things.
>>544208927Go back to china
>>544204756>Who is stopping him from doing this research on his own time?"Why should I fund your research when I can just ask Claude/chatgpt to do it?"Maybe think ahead more than two microseconds, ameriburger
>>544200585Wait, hasn't this been going on since calculators/computers came onto the scene? What's the difference between doing something like the quadratic equation by hand and a computer doing it and this?
>>544209165>how can turn everything I do into a money making scheme?Shalom Vile Rapenstein.
>>544208804He didn't; his acolytes named it after him after grothendieck did a two week foray into it for serious reasons. Nothing is called grothendieck theory because it would encompass everything of last century and Alexander asked for all his works to be withdraw from every library; Banach had to write school textbooks because he was broke or something and they ended up being really good books
>>544209234>how can turn everything I do into a money making scheme?Yes, good job on realizing what the ai-babby overlords want. Now use maybe more than two cents to extrapolate further.
>>544209246>Nothing is called grothendieck theory because it would encompass everything of last century and Alexander asked for all his works to be withdraw from every library;And yet it was Banach who took all the credit, because like I said, he was an arrogant retarded sack of shit unlike Grothendieck who laid the groundwork but humbly chose to remain anonymous.>Banach had to write school textbooks because he was brokeYou do understand that going to university back then was something only the most elite and wealthy class of people could do right?
>>544200585>cryed
>>544209301Hows your helicopter design project coming along Ali? Still need mo money fo dem research programz?
>>544209686>no argument, just seethe I accept your concession
>>544209448If you want a real hero, Bourbaki. Unlike Ramanujan who never existed but was faked by Hardy; Bourbaki faked his own non-existence as a "collective" and slipped away
>>544206704Have kids, degenerate
>>544209770I already have a mathematics hero.
>>544202705>geologarithmic counterequation on the applicability of quantum transduction to neolinear spatial dynamics!Applications? No, mathematicians hate applied math. He's working on field tensor butthole twist allergies, but only for very large unknown prime numbers.
>HOW WILL I PROFIT OFF OF MY GOVERNMENT FUNDED HOBBY NOW!!!???Dear retards, do something society needs. Like fixing my toilet.
>>544209955They could actually try doing math.
>>544209896
>>544207315>potential for infinite proofslopThe proof for 1+1=2 is insanely stupid.
>>544209896>Repackaged Jacques Ellul Well, NYT says it's the only news fit to print
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>>544210358Did any of your math cucks ever bomb anyone, especially one who turned out to have supplied children to Epstein Island? No? Then fuck off.
>>544205146>There is no way some LLM solved an outstanding problem in theoretical math.That's literally the best use of a transformer. You input the start on one end and the finish on the other and the transformer fills in the middle steps.You only need to add a validator to verify that intermediate steps are legal. Transformers do back propagation anyways to check their work.
>>544200585"ai" is just a search of a data set of preexisting scraped human knowledge so all that's happened is that shit was already figured out and was found. His fun is ruined in that he can't claim credit for what other people have already worked out/the list of existing problems weren't.
>>544210579>fit experimental dataset [A] to a universal equation and explain the physics relationships for all parametersAI literally exists to brute force, test and refine these problems.
>>544201354does she realize she is a dumbass?
>computers literally invented to do maths>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO you can't use AI to do math!
>>544210420>Psst hey kid, wanna blow some digits off a satanic agent for a NYT contract?Sorry missed that day at McUltra skool
>>544210579Diffused plagiarism says wut?
>>544212153Plagiarism is only bad when you don't cite the source. Also there's a whole citation racket where academics artificially raise up their citation numbers.
>>544204153>It says right in the OP exactly what his field is. He's a fucking mathematician.Which is a useless degree now
>>544210420Ted was literally just a deranged communist murderer, I read the manifesto and his second book as well, he is not interesting at all. The shitting on leftists slaps but it’s all in the tone of a depressed post leftist, and a lot of his fans started out as normie leftists that never read anything else. Just look at his very fair treatment on the rationalwiki. His philosophy, if you can call it a philosophy at all since he actually offers very little to support his beliefs, is neither descriptive or prescriptive, the whole time you are just trying to figure out who he is based on who he hates. You can’t pin him down with anything until you realize he is who he hates and his entire project is a kind of purging of sin to purify himself as a leftist. The structure of his beliefs is just the leftist structure, his fears of technological lifestyles being worse than primitive lifestyles just his value judgement he wants to force on everyone else. I’m just mad he is called a libertarian.
>>544204497based tradecraftpilled and owning the means of production maxxed forklift certified underwater welder chad
>>544201508Depopulation is already happening with or without AI
>>544213508>He was a leftistFair enough, but he achieved something 99% of leftists can never do: realize the error of ways and seek to show others that leftism is wrong.
>>544200585>noooooo I wont get paid for "research" anymore!! My comfy days of doing nothing and drinking expensive coffees and doing all sorts of other gay shit instead of working while getting paid!!Oh no..... poor guy
>>544213730>math postdoc at uni>paid wellPoltards never went beyond 10th grade education, did they
