Why was their an expectation of Medical privacy as established by Roe v. Wade, but there was never an expectation of privacy in political donations, with the FEC involuntarily disclosing the political donations of private citizens?Why was there a right to get medical procedures done privately, but no right to support political groups or candidates privately?
>>544203047https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physician%E2%80%93patient_privilegeProbably because a big part about effectively treating patients involves some level of medical confidentiality anon
>>544203048https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_ballotA big part of politics is the secret ballot, and the ability to support a politician or party privately.
>>544203049>A big part ofNoDemocracy is for the public interest, and transparency is vital to democracy.
>>544203050Which is why when you have soldiers guarding ballot boxes, and people casting their votes openly and publicly you have a strong democracy, like Saddam Hussein's Iraq in 1995.Because democracy is in the public interest, so being transparent in who you support is vital to democracy.
>>544203051Resorting to strawmen is usually a sign that you're losing an argument lil' bro
>>544203052How is it a straw man?Saddam's 1995 Referendum had stunning levels of transparency. That means it's a good democracy right? Like a country that publicly reports every dollar of support you provide to politicians or parties
>>544203051>>544203053Saddam Hussein's Iraq did not have a transparent government anon
>>544203049No. The vote is secret. The ballot is secret. If you want to be involved in public policy and debate you are by definition required to be public.
>>544203055https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26868536In April 2014, Brendan Eich, co-founder and newly appointed CEO of Mozilla (maker of the Firefox web browser), stepped down from his role following intense public and internal backlash over a $1,000 political donation he made in 2008 in support of Proposition 8—a California ballot measure that banned same-sex marriage.I don't know that democracy is made better by publishing political donations and punishing people for their beliefs.
>>544203056Huh? Are you saying that as a share holder I’m supposed to lose money because some dipshit I and the other board members we hired decided to spend money making our company look bad? No one put that cunt in prison, but if you say or do something stupid, I’m not required to keep employing you.
>>544203057What's the difference between him voting in support of Proposition 8 privately, and him donating $1000 to supporting proposition 8 privately?It sounds like it would be wrong for him to lose his job for casting a ballot, but it would be justified for him to his job for donating the money. Where's the discerning line?
>>544203058The discerning line is the ballot is secret. Throwing money at it is not. That’s free speech, and it’s protected from government censorship, not people having lawful reactions. I might not lock you up, but I don’t have to deal with you lowering my dividends either.
>>544203059Yeah but you're not explaining why a $1000 donation should be public and casting a ballot is private. What is free speech, are you saying the Federal Election Commission has a free speech right to publish who you are donating to, but they don't have a free speech right to publish who you voted for, or how you voted for ballot measures?
>>544203059https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FECThe Supreme Court ruled political donations are a form of speech
>>544203060Yes.>>544203061Yah. Terrible ruling, but it remains that the government can’t lock you up for it, but I don’t have to lose money because you’re making my company look bad.
>>544203062There is no right to a secret ballot in the constitution. There's no right to donating money secretly in the constitution either. You're just taking the status quo ante as justified even if you logically cannot explain why it is justified
>>544203063You can’t see the difference between voting and speech? One is the mechanical component of democracy, the other is typically described as the town or public square. You’re saying you think they’re the same thing?>constitutionStates have those too and a number of them do require a secret ballot.
>Medical practice is the same as casting a vote within a governmentChristian Nationalists are a direct threat to Democracy and should be actively prosecuted and hunted down. This thread is proof of this
>>544203065They're both tapping into the penumbras of the constitution about the right to privacy no?The privacy of getting an abortionThe privacy of the secret ballot
>>544203066Expectation of privacy depends on context but you probably already knew that
>>544203067that's a meaingless statement literally everything depends on context
>>544203066>"I want to participate in my government but I don't want to be held accountable for my decisions"Kill yourself you limp-wristed queer
>>544203068Okay, it just seemed like didn't know this and had to be told, because the concept still seems confusing to you, since you still think casting ballots is the same thing as medical practice and all
>>544203069I want to know why the right to privacy extends to procedures or ballots but not donations.We know Thomas Crooks donated $15 to Act Blue before he tried to blow Trump's brains out.Why is that public information instead of secret?
>>544203071to avoid electioneering I can imagine, as parties can more easily target you if they know your affiliation, donations on the other hand shouldn't have expectation of privacy, as most donors are typically more than happy to express their political affiliations, and not wanting to is usually a red flag that said donations aren't made in good faith
>>544203047Originalists would have a field day with thisDonations to the Sons of Liberty weren't publicly disclosed in newspapers. The American Revolution couldn't have gotten off the ground with these rules in place, it would have given the redcoats the mean to strangle the american revolution in its crib
Also The Federalist Papers were written under pseudonyms. Private political speech made public
>>544203073>>544203071it was a longstanding campaign of early 20th century progressives to ban undisclosed election donationshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_finance_reform_in_the_United_States
>>544203075This article starts in 1828, it doesn't cover what the founding fathers did in practice during the revolutionary war, or during the presidency of Washington, Adams, Jefferson & Madison
