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>>544204584
>>wishing for your crush to love you back is more evil than wishing for material wealth
That makes moral sense. Wishing for material wealth is a little greedy but it doesn't mess with someone else's free will. Wishing feelings upon her does mess with free will in a profound way.

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>>544204584
Wait, are you the same stupid faggot that made a thread on wizchan about this too?

>>544204584
you could argue that it's selfish and egocentric, because he doesn't consider what his crush wants and just overwrites her emotions with the wish, but it's retarded to call it evil, kek
give a woman access to a wish and she'll wish for the exact same.
it's just natural to want to see your love reciprocated, and it's also natural that your love blinds you enough to see what such a wish would mean for the other side.

>>544204584
>https://wizchan.org/wiz/res/230328.html

I think you really are the same nigger shitting up /wiz/

DIE1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>544204584
Gay thread, his wish was selfish and a low iq faustian set up. Guess you’d fall for it too.

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>men bad
yawn

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>>544204844
yeah but being evil is cool now or whatever
The great thing about public discourse being completely saturated with hypocrisy and nonsense is that now we don't have to listen to any of it :)

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>>544205042
>any character who does anything immoral has to be a woman or else it's le feminism

>>544204584
yes, you're wishing to dominate someone's will and make them into a slave.

>>544204844
>>544204905
>>544204994
You're forgetting the part where he didn't know a literal toy would actually have supernatural powers.

We live in the Modern Monetary Theory timeline where infinite money printing is a hecking good thing.
In this type of economy Ian's wish would be objectively good because now he can spend in his local economy. It got him killed because he wasn't jewish and the demons look after their own

>>544205200
Wishing for someone to love you how you love them is not the same thing as wishing to overwrite how they feel.

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>>544205208
My bad, I didn't actually see the movie, it looks kinda stupid.

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>>544204844
wow my wife would look fantastic in that

>>544204982
>>544204867
>>544205255
>>544205208

ANSWER ME NIGGER YOU ARE THE REASON WIZCHAN IS SHIT NOW I HATE YOU

>>544205263
Yes it is stupid. The s.0y guzzling redditor who wrote this crap likely wanted to make a movie where "the villain is a quiet nice guy" and then found a way to write him into a corner that makes him out to be the villain.

But the guy at the shop referred to it being common for people to come in trying to undo their wishes

>>544205208
It’s worse though, he didn’t know but he wished the toy worked at that moment. The protagonist is retarded and the foid is a pick me whore, they’re both insufferable and dumb.

>>544205321
*unzips pants* whistle on this

>>544205255
it literally is

Nah you see it’s actually the guy making a wish that’s evil but we’re going with the “villain’s motive is arguably more convincing than the hero” like Thanos or something, grey morality and maybe a dystopian setting. What do you think, guys?

>>544205208
technically I am not forgetting since I never watched the foidslop to begin with and didn't know :^)

>>544205336
And you're really gonna believe that as a fully grown adult? What's next, you're gonna go to a "witch shop" and believe that the magic rocks actually work?

>>544204584
Am I supposed to know what Hollywood slop this reference is even from?

>>544204844
No It doesnt, she still has the free will never to talk to him

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>>544204584
>mind-raping a person into loving you is more evil than wishing for free money

Well yeah. Are you retarded?

>>544205321
are you really surprised?
you didn see it coming?

>>544205329
>and then found a way to write him into a corner that makes him out to be the villain.
really fucks me up when people use fiction as an example for reality because they always seem to forget about this part.
the story takes whatever turn the writer wants it to take. none of it is a logical result that had to happen this way. it could have just as easily worked out perfectly fine if that was what the author desired.

yet you'll have people point at slop like this and try to draw life-lessons and rules for social interactions from it.

same shit with their anti AI craze
>did you learn nothing from movies like terminator?!
bro, someone cooked it up for fun. there's no lesson to be learned from it, it's just entertainment.

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>>544205440
Selling out is the definition of evil and a fate worse than death
You retards would never understand

>>544205200
Attraction is hormones and chemicals. Whatever entity is granting wishes could easily have just flooded her brain with feel good chemicals whenever she saw him. The only reason it would do it the way it did is because its malevolent

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>Curry Barker literally confirmed the Wishing Willow isnt even a little cursed or tricky, Bears wish was just evil.

>>544205729
That's completely irrelevant to the plot of the movie, virgin-kun.

Gen Z crap.

Imagine what these dumb dumbs are going to be like in ten years time. They'll be making horror films about answering the door to a stranger next.
>Oh no, my doctor left a voicemail, what do I dooooo

>>544205820
I don't watch garbage like this

>>544205440
Wishing for your crush to love you back in the same way you do her, not overwriting her emotions, not even really hoping something supernatural intervenes, just the act of wishing this was reality, is not mind-raping someone, it's completely normal and innocent.

>>544204584
You need me to believe that so I align with you in bitterness. I don't care what people think. Them nor you. You can all die gently. I'm gonna watch the bunnies. You're too big for yourself.

>>544205255
Yes it is

>>544204584
He didn't learn anything from Aladdin. You are supposed to wish to make you cool enough for the girl to live you.

>>544205359
>>544204584
the friend was evil because he was cooming in the girl that his friend had a big crush on while also humiliating him. it's supposed to be bros b4 hoes
>>544204844
women for the most part don't have free will so your point is moot

>>544204844
The irony is once you have the material weath she loses her free will and chases you again so it's a catch 22.
Women are just emotional animals

>>544204584
I mean using the power of a wish to change the free will of another person is way more evil then just wishing for some money you are basically creating a slave

Is this the thread for brownies?

>>544204584
People are really fucking stupid with their interpretations of this.
Its not the wish thats evil, its the fact that he clearly didnt actually care about her as evidenced by the revelation that he actually knew very little about her.
He desired her as an object and not as a person.
He was never really in love with her, he was only in love with the version of her he created in his mind.
He could see clearly that she was suffering, but he didnt actually care about her or how his actions affected her, he just wanted her to satisfy him.
Thats not love, thats possessiveness and lust.
True love means caring about someone else as a person and wanting what's best for them, not what's best for you.
The failure to understand this is why you are an incel.
You are an incel because you are scared of women and you are scared of women because you dont understand them and you dont understand them because you dont actually respect them or care about them.
If you only see women as objects to satisfy your wants and desires then you will be very confused when they start acting according to their own will.
This is why so many of you get attached to "2D" women, because they are simply caricatures of real women.
They have the face and body you desire, and maybe a few feminine mannerisms to catch your attention, but in basically every case they are shallow empty creatures with no goals or motivations.
The single driving personality trait of every female anime character in male-oriented anine is their single-minded desire for the male self-insert character.

Finding a romantic partner isnt actually that hard, you just need have enough empathy to care about somebody other than yourself.
Women are not that complicated but they will remain a mystery to you because you refuse to see them as people and instead see them only as sex objects.
In other words, you put the pussy on a pedestal.

You may now seethe at me and prove me right.

>>544204584
why do you retard talk about a movie as if it were real?

>>544204584
Horror movies in 2026
>an INCEL got a WOMAN to SEX him

Why are people really obsessed with this stupid movie? First the concept was done in an old episode of twilight zone, back in the late 50s, then they did it again for a plot of an episode of tales from the crypt, it’s an old tired trope. Make a potion or some shit to get a girl to love you and it always goes wrong. It’s retarded.

>>544206166
I don't even know what this thread is about bro
>>544206141

>>544205106
this guy is basically admitting to doing evil, and its apparently so bad, it warrants redefining evil

thiel, if i were you, "finding peace" is what i would want

>>544206148
nigga you gay

he made it more ambiguous at the start but had the bandwagon the anti incel following

also nikki was the villain for giving obscene mixed signals to bear when she wasn't really interested and was fucking his best friend to boot

she got what she deserved for leading him on

>>544204584
I thought the kicker to that wish should have been the money appearing but crushing him to death instantly, that kind of money is like 4 tons or something crazy in 100s

>>544205889
>>Oh no, my doctor left a voicemail, what do I dooooo
You joke, but I could very well see this happening.

>>544204584
Women just straight up don't want sub-8 men to get laid. The very idea that anyone but CHAD is fucking upsets them.

>>544205953
Innocence doesn’t exclude evil, there’s even a saying for it kek. The path to hell is paved with good intentions. Good intentions in this case being some coomer wanting to wet his pencil. Because that’s all his character is about, even after discovering what’s happening he says he doesn’t care and goes straight to fuck his demon possessed crush, cause he’s the ultimate coomer.

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>>544206240
some movie called Crush or something. About a virgin getting laid.

>>544204844
The evil in the wish lies in its selfishness.
He overwrite her free will with no regard for how it would affect her.
He could have instead wished for "I wish Nikki and I could live happily together forever" and that would have been fine.
Here's another one, he could have wished "I hope all of nikki's dreams come true".
If she had actually liked him as was kinda implied then one of her dreams would be to be with him.

People get the message of this movie so wrong its pathetic.
Its not about how men are bad, or relationships are bad, or the patriarchy, or rape, or any other such bullshit.
This movie is quite simply about the evil of selfishness and its consequences.
This should be obvious, since the plot is a repeat of a trope thats almost as old as storytelling: be careful what you wish for.
There are countless stories like this and they always carry the same miral message: beware the destructive power of greed.

>>544206373
I mean they already made a horror movie where the "horror" is just an empty room

>>544204905
This is correct.
It is not evil to want to be loved.
It is evil to prioritize that desire over what's best for someone else.
Thats why this movie is a cautionary tale about greed.

The nigger literally just wished for his crush to love him back and he got fucking monkey pawed.
The director can do all the mental gymnastics and coping he wants but the movie was a ripoff of The Twilight Zone and deep down he knows it..

>>544206482
My God what the fuck with the replies ITT too, thank you for the clarification

>>544205208
Yeah, but he doesn't do anything to try and reverse it. He just fucks her until she starts getting creepy and only when he's scared for his own well being does he try to reverse the wish.

Why does every massively powerful object that’s always invariably used for an evil purpose have to have some kind of disclaimer like “No, you see the object isn’t evil it’s the PEOPLE who are” morally grey tough questions about thinly-veiled social issues and Trump allusions from the writers bullshit that’s in every movie now.

>>544206501
So he worded his wish poorly and the genie, no wait monkey paw, no wait magic stick technically granted it to him with terrible unforeseen consequences.
The movies message is far simpler than any of that bullshit. Consult a lawyer before making your wish.

>>544206275
Incel detected

>>544206626
He does, he asks if he can alter or cancel the wish, which he couldn't. They tell it to him straight to his face, the only thing he could do was to kill himself.

>>544206756
Oy very

But yes, its actually a very simple movie with a simple premise and a simple message.
Things dont need to be complex to be good.
The movie has been so successful simply because the plot is coherent, the camerawork is solid, the acting is believable, and most importantly the story speaks to something fundamental about the human condition.
Its not a post-modernist (woke) moral sermon, its simply a commentary on normal human behaviors and the dangers of immorality.
Bear's mistake is committing the cardinal sins of lust and greed.
There's also an argument that he is guilty of sloth, as he chose an easy solution instead of taking the hard option of being a man, confessing his feelings, and risking rejection.
The movie is very trad if you understand what that actually means.

>>544207127
No, he didnt ask to cancel the wish.
He only asked to alter it.
This is important because it shows that he knows there is something wrong, but he didnt want to give up on the core aspect of his wish, he wanted to keep her.
Again, total disregard for her wellbeing and instead solely focusing on what he wanted.

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>>544206065
>women for the most part don't have free will so your point is moot
This is the correct answer.

it would be evil if (a) he had known the wish was going to come true, and (b) once he realized that she was being fucked over as a result of the wish he didn't do anything about it
as it stands he did nothing wrong

>>544206241
What peace lmao. He sold his soul to the devil. The only way someone like him can find peace is to shut himself up in the most remote monastery and pray day and night. I don't think he is capable, I hope I am wrong.

>men commonly have to deal with tragically loving someone who doesn't love them back
>woman never have to deal with this despite the lies they spew
>instead of sympathizing lets just make an extremist horror movie out of this to make men look bad

>>544204584
who, huh wishin willow

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>>544204584
> Wishes that the branch would grant no further wises
Boom martyred

>>544207210
>Word salad
It's about being careful what you wish for. Cobble together all the armchair psychology nonsense you want to make it "deep and meaningful" but the fact of the matter is the retard made a wish, he worded it poorly, and it went horribly fucking wrong. You even said in your previous post if he worded it differently it would have worked out fine.
This was no critique of the human condition or selfishness. It was a fucking monkey paw flick and people trying to spin it as anything else are putting lipstick on a pig and calling it a supermodel.
A bad horror movie is a bad horror movie no matter how much analysis you try to lay on it to cover up the smell. Just like Skinnamarink and I Saw the TV Glow. Garbage is garbage. End of story.

>>544204584
the issue is that he made the wished for her to love him "more than anyone in the fucking world"

which would include herself, so yeah, evil

if he had made a distinction that basically made him her primary love interest then maybe it would go differently, but then it wouldn't be a movie

>>544207910
>It was a fucking monkey paw flick
But the guy who wrote and directed the movie said the opposite.

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>>544207889
How can we teach women that murdering children is not ok?

>>544207910
Im agreeing with you.
Are you a nigger?
Learn to read, goddamn

>>544207127
the true wish for all foids, that any man not up to their standards just kills himself.

>>544205440
"Free" money would raise inflation for jews

>>544208054
He literally said it was inspired by the monkey paw episode of the Simpsons

>>544208054
Which means he's either lying to make his Twilight Zone ripoff appear less like a ripoff or doesn't know what he's talking about.
The movie looks like a monkey paw. It acts like a monkey paw. It ends like a monkey paw. It was a fucking monkey paw.
If something looks, smells and tastes like shit then guess what? It's shit.

>>544208344
Something being simple doesnt make it bad.
There's a reason people keep making this same story over and over again

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>>544205200
As if man is not already a slave to his lusts. Can love really be evil? There is redemption to be found in selfless devotion, harlotry is a sin

im starting to believe this is some weird thread where almost all posts are ai generated. I have never seen so many posts mention free will before. most humans who lurk and post here know like 95 percent of the pop doesn't even have an inner monologue. almost all men know women are slaves to their emotions and therefore freewill is not even possible

>>544208054
He's a fucking retard, obviously. Find me what in that wish makes someone homicidal, more love than anyone in the world? That's called parental love, unconditional love, God's love. Say it like it is chief, the gun is good and the penis is evil, fucking ZARDOZ

>>544204584
I have no idea what this faggy shit is. Fuck you for providing no context, OP.

>>544208259
>wish for your crush to love you.
crush "soul" gets replaced by a demon
>wish for a billiob dollars
Get crushed by a pile of money.
I feel like the wish willow has the same logic as genies or monkeys paw.theres some bullshit caveat that makes you wish you hadnt wished for the wish.

>>544208344
They even set up the wish willow as a buyer beware type thing too

>>544208245
Except she didnt want that.
She CLEARLY wanted him to ask her out at the start of the movie.
She asked him POINT BLANK if he liked her and told him now was the time to say something if he did because otherwise she was leaving and he BITCHED OUT.
Instead he acted like a pussy and made a wish like a beta cuck faggot.
And then, when it became obvious that there were severely negative consequences for his being a little bitch, he doubled down on being a pussy and tried to find any way out of the situation that didnt involve a sacrifice on his part.
If he had actually loved her then after being told the only way to save her was to kill himself, then he should have done so immediately.
He didnt because he didnt love her, at least not more than he loved himself.

>>544208411
No but trying to make something simple into something complex by piling on layers of pseudo-intellectual bullshit is.
If you wanna make a monkey paw movie then go for it. Just don't try to turn it into something it isn't by lying to my face. That's when you cross the threshold from fun schlock to utter garbage.

>>544208615
Yes, the store owner very clearly told him that these things were fucking up people's lives.

>>544208663
>he should have just killed himself
you're not disproving my claim.

>>544208671
Where's the lie?
All of the things being read into this movie are present in all "beware what you wish for" stories.
Its why people like them.
If you think the levels of meaning on display here are deep or complex then you might just be an illiterate retarded gorilla nigger monkey brain.

>>544205440
This anon >>544208259 is correct
Mind raping someone is just one person and Judaism specifically allows it, while raising inflation on all jews is anti-semitism at its worst
Curry Barker confirmed Nazi

>>544208757
Your pathetic little incel claim is that she wanted him to kill himself because she wasnt into him.
You're an idiot, and that's plainly fucking wrong because the movie tells us blatantly that she was into him and practically begged him to ask her out.
No, he needed to kill himself because its was the only way to fix his fuck up.
The part you deliberately ignore (because you are little beta bitch) is that he could have avoided all of it by just asking her the fuck out.

>>544208967
but the end solution is still posed by the movie as "kill yourself"

>>544209027
>dont mind me, just moving these goal posts
Fuck off

>>544209081
well, that's what it is.
>guy makes a mistake
>the solution is to kill himself
that's a monkey's paw if I ever saw one.
it's what you get when foids or male feminists write a story to demonize men.

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the movie is fine but the directors comments about it are retarded
he keeps insisting this isnt a djinn or posession story but when you watch it its clearly a djinn story (his wish is turned to be evil) and then the girl gets posessed by some demon (which he didnt request at all)
he wants to pander to tiktok feminists so bad because it makes him seem more intellectual and one of the good ones

>>544204584
> Meanwhile women follow TikTok "witches" teaching them how to do "love spells" to "make" him like you.
> "That's different because I'm a girl!"

>>544209168
>it's what you get when foids or male feminists write a story to demonize men.
You are ignoring literally the entire movie to make your claim that the message is "if she doesnt find you for then you have to die"
THATS NOT WHAT THE FUCKING MOVIE SAYS
Did you actually watch the fucking thing? Do you deny she was into him at the start?
Do you deny that she explicitly asked him if he was into her?
I think you need this bullshit victim narrative so desperately because you are the same kind of coward as Bear.

>>544208815
>Where's the lie
All the nonsense about free will and the main character being selfish. The nonsense about the "real horror" being some cuck faggot getting a woman he doesn't actually love and the objectification of women.
People can slap on all the feminist veneer they want but the fact of the matter is this is just a case of a guy wording his wish poorly and nothing more.
The director and the idiots that believe him are reading into shit that isn't fucking there just so they can appear deep and smart.
The director openly stated he got the idea from The Simpons who themselves got it from The Twilight Zone and now he is trying to heap on bullshit to appear unique and creative when he absolutely isn't.
You wanna make a monkey paw movie? Go for it. Just don't make one then try to tell me it's not a monkey paw movie but instead a critique of morality, free will and what love really is because then you're just lying to my face and I don't appreciate it.

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>>544204584
What is with you zoomers and this fucking movie? Is it because you can’t get laid without supernatural trickery?

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>>544204584
Not just normies! picrel

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>>544209244
Nail on the fucking head. Thank you Poland.

>>544204584
1. I will never, ever, ever see this movie, no matter how much you spam it
>>544204867
Almost certainly. /tv/ fails at being a containment zone from time to time, so those faggots go to other boards and chans to try to force their shitty memes there instead. Truly, /tv/ posters are the most insufferable niggers on this entire site.

well this is depressing.
We tricked the bots into thinking anyone here would actually engage in a discussion about this topic.
and they're going all in. no hesitation.

Site is pathetic

>>544204584
>wish for a Billie
>gets domed
it’s rigged

>>544209423
no I don't watch foidslop written by male feminists.

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>>544204584
>Curry Barker literally confirmed
That ballsless cuck changed his tune as soon as his flick got lauded as "so heckin deep" by journos and feminists. Previous to that he always said he got the idea from the Treehouse of Horror's episode with the monkey paw. The wish was always meant to backfire no matter what.

>>544209244
Yeah, I think he didnt want to make it a full-blown djinn story but its clear he did.
The possession aspects of this story are pretty blatant and you have to do some mental gymnastics to argue otherwise.
I think it works fine for what it is and i think it accomplishes what he was going for in terms of the horror beats.
If he had wanted to steer away from the possession aspect then he should have made things more subtle.
He should have had Nikki stay more normal for longer and instead portray her as slowly developing this all-consuming stalker "obsession" with bear that ultimately leads to the climax of the movie.
He could have had her slowly show more interest in Bear, have her ask him out and initiate the relationship.
Then, the twist for the movie could be that Bear realizes she isnt who he thought she was and he falls out of love with her.
This could have let him still explore the idea of loving a person vs loving the idea of a person.
Act 2 could be about him starting to develop a real relationship with the Asian chick, causing Nikki to go into her downward spiral.
This could let the tail end of the movie stay more or less the same, beginning with her murder of the Asian.
Curry didnt do that though because its clear he wanted to go with a more conventional horror movie and wanted to lean into the creepyness aspect to sell the story.
This requires Nikki to act very erratic which can really only be explained through some sort of possession.
I have seen some arguments that her "possession" is like the way people act differently when under the influence of a drug, but I dont think that explains just how extreme her actions are, or her moments of lucidity where its clear the "real" Nikki is being suppressed in some way.

>>544209437
So in your view Bear did nothing wrong whatsoever?

>>544204584
Dont forget- the new spiderman movie literally has the villain with the ability to take away peoples "autonomy" and she went and killed people, yet spiderman took a bullet for her and she is actually good because of her tragic past.

>>544208663
>She CLEARLY wanted him to ask her out at the start of the movie.
We all know what happens to men dumb enough to ask a girl out in the year of our lord.

>nice guys are all actually secretly le heckin' evil and misogynistic!
most reddit trope of all time

>>544209629
>No i didnt watch the movie but im going to declare it says things it doesnt because it supports my incel bullshit
Faggot

>>544210199
>more incel bullshit
No, you are just a pussy who will never feel pussy because you would rather sit in the corner and stare at a girl you like like a weirdo rather than go talk to her.
Everything else is cope and excuses.

>>544209244
/thread

>>544210064
Where the fuck did you get that from? I literally said he worded his wish poorly and the djinn fucked him over for it. That's it. That's all there is to this movie.
You can sit there and theorize about the things he should/could have done and the ethical implications behind them. You can analyze motivations and intentions until the fucking cows come home and milk themselves. You can agonize over what these things say about his or anyone elses character but none of that fucking matters.
This movie is just a dumb nigger made a dumb nigger wish and he died for it al la monkey paw. That's fucking it. Stop trying to dress it up like a janitor calling himself a sanitation engineer so you can appeal to tiktok feminists.

>>544206212
Nothing new under the sun. The ironically fulfilled wish trope transcends cultures and predates Christ.

>>544204584
bears wish can't be evil because he didn't know the damned thing worked, this has always been barker trying "but i didn't just steal from monkey's paw story on the simposons" (because he's an illiterate zoomer).

>>544210572
So your argument is that there is absolutely no moral statements in this movie whatsoever? Everything that happens is just arbitrary and random?
You might actually be a brain dead nigger.
Why are you even in this thread if you think this movie is so shallow and empty?
Why do you care about it if it has nothing to say?

>>544210680
He obviously stole it from the Simpsons, which stole it from outer limits, which stole it from twilight zone, which stole it from......
There's nothing wrong with retelling this story. Obviously it happens every generation or so because there is something about the story that speaks to people.
Its simple, but a story being simple doesnt mean that it cant be meaningful.
Obviously this story resonates with people or this movie wouldnt have been successful and we wouldnt constantly be retelling it over and over again.
I agree though that him trying to deny thats what hes doing is retarded.

>>544210265
>says things it doesn't
I mean it outright postulates that he makes a mistake and the only way to fix it is for him to kill himself?

I don't have to watch the slop to know it's slop. If the writer had said "yes the macguffin device is a monkey's paw and is evil let the buyer beware" like in Gremlins, the cute Mogwai is itself dangerous, then fine, that's normal.
But he denies that and says that the wish itself (for reciprocated feelings) is evil, even though the guy doesn't believe the macguffin has any actual power.
It does have power, and then the only way to fix it is for him to kill himself.
You can't grasp why that's bad feminist fantasy? That the ultimate solution for a guy who chickened out or wasn't up to her standards is to kill himself?
Because foids will say the "correct" wish was for him to have himself changed so that she'd choose to love him. Not getting that they're asking for the same thing, for someone's "self" to be stripped away from them and replaced with a doppleganger in their place. It's simply flipping which party gets swapped.
That's Aladdin, having to wish that he would be changed into someone he's not, a prince, so that he can have a relationship with the princess. Neither were happy with that pretense either.

That's the main part of the story that I've gotten that makes me sure to never watch it, is that the solution when he realizes he's made a mistake is "kys", and that foids and male feminists will say he's continuing to be in the wrong for not committing suicide.

>>544204584
Is "love" real? Like, is it a chemical or what? When you wish for someone to love you, are you effectively rewiring their brain to release non-stop "love" chemicals when around you? Sounds kinda evil.

>>544204844
Women don't have free will

>>544211019
It resonates with women because their worst fear is investing more in a relationship than a man and this movie lays them bare. Women fear a mirror.

>>544210815
The moral statement is to be careful what you wish for and nothing more. This is fine in and of itself but retarded faggots like you and the director keep trying to add meaning where there is none so you can appear deep and insightful.
You wanna be a hipster faggot cuckold go back to plebbit and die of aids.

>>544211120
>I mean it outright postulates that he makes a mistake and the only way to fix it is for him to kill himself
Which is very different from saying he should kill himself because the girl doesnt like him.
Fuck you, you faggot incel loser.
You keep trying to dodge your original claim

>>544211120
>But he denies that and says that the wish itself (for reciprocated feelings) is evil
Link the where he has actually said this? Because everything i have seen he says its not the wish itself thats evil, but the way Bear responds to the situation and fails to take responsibility for his mistake.

>>544204584
foidslop thread

>>544211293
>The moral statement is to be careful what you wish for and nothing more
This itself isnt a simple statement, faggot.
If it was, why do we keep retelling this same story over and over?

>>544211276
OK, why does it resonate with men? Because this story resonates with everyone.
I think the reason so many people here are so quick to defend bear is because they see his weakness as a reflection of their failures and cowardice.
The incel's greatest fear is that the girl he likes might actually be into him and its not feminism, but his own cowardice, that is keeping him from her.
This movie shows that clearly, whether or not the director is smart enough to see what he actually did.

>>544211689
>OK, why does it resonate with men? Because this story resonates with everyone.
>I think the reason so many people here are so quick to defend bear is because they see his weakness as a reflection of their failures and cowardice.
>The incel's greatest fear is that the girl he likes might actually be into him and its not feminism, but his own cowardice, that is keeping him from her.
>This movie shows that clearly, whether or not the director is smart enough to see what he actually did.
It doesn't, in male dominated spaces all you see in discussion is about how women are reacting to the movie and bear's actions. Most men haven't even bothered to watch it because the gist of it is stupid. They like watching the actress and it about ends there.

>>544211508
It is a simple statement you dumb nigger were you born without a frontal lobe? That's why it can be made in a single fucking sentence.
There's nothing deeper to be had. It's like a guy wishing for a ton of gold and having it drop on his head crushing him.
As for why? Same reason we retell the story of the boy who cried wolf over and over and over again. It's a simple but powerful lesson that will serve you all your life. It can also be really entertaining depending on how the monkey paw wish backfires.

>>544211390
see the OP.
also
>take responsibility for mistakes = kys
that's literally the part we keep coming back to, is that suicide is offered as the solution to the problem, and "if you truly loved her, you'd kys"

>>544211819
Utter cope, this movie would not have the box office numbers it does if only women were seeing it.
You might just be in an echo chamber

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>>544204584
>>544204844
>This is what normies and foids think about you, don't forget that.

It is straight up evil and we put too much emphasis on letting women have free wills and choices... and they can't even choice what they want for dinner.

I literally don't give a shit if women get magically willed into a relationship with someone who actually loves them. That doesn't negatively effect anyone at all. It's a win for everyone.

Also sauce on those boobs, leaf-anon, please.

>>544212023
You uh might want to actually look at how much it made before you try to tout box office numbers, it's a success because of how much it cost to make alone, not from popularity.
I mean I knew I was talking to someone who had problems with comprehension and overall coherence but honestly you're a cut below the average.

>>544211689
It doesn't resonate with everyone and this thread is demonstrable proof of that fact you goddamn retard. You also claim people defend Bear but I barely see any of that in here but you need the narrative to be "muh incels" otherwise you know you have no ground to stand on.
The director and faggots like you keep trying to ascribe meaning and depth to the movie when it isn't fucking there to begin with.
This was a monkey paw movie. Be careful what you wish for was the message. That's it. You can inject all your feminist buzzwords and pseudo-intellectual bullshit you want to try and make it look deep and meaningful but the fact is this was just a case of a retarded faggot making a retarded wish and getting monkey pawed for it.

>>544211858
Jesus christ dude, the story of a boy crying wolf isnt simple either.
All of these stories have deep underlying meaning that speaks to fundamental human nature.
THATS why we keep retelling them over and over again, because there are deep moral considerations that we feel compelled to continuously contemplate

>durrrr, just be careful what you wish for, like its simple dude.
Why, faggot?
Why do we need to be careful what we wish for?
What wishes might have unintended consequences?
Unintended consequences for who? Ourselves or others?
A "wish" is just an allegorical dtand-in for power.
So being careful what you wish for is equivalent to the need to be careful about how you wield the power to influence the world.
There are enormous moral and philosophical implications to that.
You are an actual retard gorilla nigger.

>>544211936
Yes, which is different from the initial assertion you keep dodging that the film claims he should kill himself because she wasnt into him.
Thats not what was in the movie.
Sacrificing yourself for the good of someone you love is a heroic trope thats as old as time.
If he had done so it would have made him the hero of the movie by proving his love was real instead of being the selfish villain he actually was.

>>544212448
get real foid.

>>544212234
It made over 400 million dollars dipshit, thats broad market appeal.
We have seen how shit movies when are actual feminist trash that only appeals to one gender.
As much as you want to claim thats what this is, the numbers simply dont show that.

>>544212570
Don't use that shit to doxx anon

>>544212292
Yes, its a monkey paw movie.
I have never denied that you illiterate fuck.
"Be careful what you wish for" is itself not simple you fucking retard.
If it was, then we wouldnt keep making these stories.

>>544205131
The discussion is about if the character did something immoral, and it is gendered, Woe's law up in here.

>>544212570
>incel gets btfo so he shuts down
Loser

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i would just wish to be perfectly healthy/in shape

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>>544209369
A movie about the ironic consequences of TikTok witchcraft would be fun if it could ever be made
>A bunch of different crystal loving hoes all cast spells to make Chad commit to them
>They take effect at different times causing weird, but also increasingly dark Three's Company style shenanigans
>At about the half way mark realize they're all magically fighting to be part of a harem and start hexing competing witches
>Simultaneously Chad becomes an obnoxious simp and they lose attraction to him, but they have trouble stopping or reversing the spells
>At some point they all realize they're pregnant
>Climax is them simultaneously doing homebrew abortions as catalysts for a counterspell the love enchantment(s)
>It works, Chad either becomes gay or a volcel 40k hobbyist
>Open-ended conclusion with the witches beginning to experience random misfortune as the law of threefold return kicks in for the spells they've been casting
I wonder what Henry Cavill is up to right now. He'd probably get a kick out of this.

>>544212640
who said anything about doxxing? I'm just saying it's a ridiculous premise that asking someone to kill themselves to fix a mistake is, and she's defending it.
This isn't like, running into a burning house to save other people and dying heroically.
This is telling someone to plan out and kill themselves deliberately, offered as the only "solution".

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>>544212309
>Boy who cried wolf isn't simple
Yes it is you fucking retard holy shit how much lead paint did you eat as a child?
Telling lots of lies = people stop believing the shit you say even when you tell the truth.
Pretty fucking simple lesson unless you're a dumb nigger. I'd tell your dumb mooncricket ass to go back to picking cotton but we both know you'd just come back with a sack of turds.

>>544212690
the entire thread is the basis of the writer claiming it was NOT a Monkey's paw, just the dude's wish itself was evil, despite requiring a supernatural macguffin to generate the scenario, and then the only option out of the mistake, triggered by not believing in the macguffin in the first place, is suicide.

>>544212695
This, the reason there is even a discussion to be had is because the movie doesnt present any character as being purely good or evil.
The people claiming that the movie asserts bear's wish is evil are the incel losers trying to paint a narrative of him being a victim and this being some feminist empowerment film which it clearly isnt.
All bear had to do to avoid all of it was just ask her out.
The movie is just as much about the consequences of being a fucking pussy as it is about "be careful what you wish for".
The people trying to simplify the movie are doing so because they sympathize with bear and want to believe he is a victim because they see themselves as victims.
Its fucking pathetic.

>>544212591
>It made over 400 million dollars dipshit, thats broad market appeal.
It ain't.
>Based on the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics Consumer Price Index, $400 million today (in 2026) has the equivalent purchasing power of approximately $308,983,161 in 2020.
Do you people pay no attention to anything except your own dicks?

>>544206501
The movie doesn't have a fucking message it's just a horror film. It's about someone making a wish and getting it literally granted to them and how fucked it would be for that to happen. It's not commentary on shit. It's by a guy who does a comedy skit channel ffs. Move on.

>>544204584
I don't care what foids think of me, it wouldn't surprise me.
I hate women, white women specifically with passion and don't give a flying fuck what they think.
I don't care what age a foid is, i hate her and am pleased when unfortunate tragedy befall her.

>>544212844
Kek

>>544212690
How is it not simple dumbass?
>Make wish
>It goes bad
You keep trying to inject complexity into simple shit and that's why you're a fucking retard. You wanna pretend to be le deep and intellectual fuck off to tardit and get yourself some heckin updoots. Dumb nigger.

>>544213037
my problem with it and I have repeated it over and over, is that the film presents that the solution is for him to kill himself.

>>544212968
Yeah, thats retarded, which i said multiple times.
I dont care what movie the director says he made or thinks he made, I care what movie he actually made.
Google "death of the author" dipshit

>>544205113
You are a male, a mentally ill faggot.

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>>544204584
99% of everyone who's ever thought "I wish they loved me back" didn't actually have a desire to enslave their will.
I've not seen the movie, but from what I've heard you could only call him evil after he realizes what he's done and goes along with it anyway (assuming that happens in the film).


Tldr: Movie producers should surrender their art to the consumer and shut the fuck up after creating their vision, and women should not have rights or be allowed to voice their opinions in public.

>>544213060
Inflation? Thats your argument?

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i cant believe the faggot author doubled down on this and said nope its actually just men = evil, not some wish going wrong :)

>>544213235
>Inflation? Thats your argument?
Popularity based on how much money it made when inflation means it's not as popular as you think? That's your argument?

>>544213189
but that's what the author is claiming, and the premise of this thread is the author's statements on it, not your personal interpretation of it.

>>544204584
one functionally kills the person at the information level and replaces them with a brainwashed thrall
the other at worst is going to be theft
you might be retarded op

>>544213173
Why is that a problem?
The incel narrative, which was stated explicitly in this thread, is that the movie asserts he needs to kill himself because she doesnt like him.
Thats not the claim of the movie at all.
She very clearly WAS into him.
It was his own cowardice that got him in the situation.
Now, you can argue that suicide being the only way out is a bit extreme, thats a fair argument to make.
Personally, I dont have a problem with it because to me I read it as a heroic sacrifice.
Extreme? Maybe, but lots of older stories are equally if not more extreme.
If you have a problem with this as the solution the film offers, then maybe offer some actual criticism and propose an alternative structure instead of just rejecting the entire thing as feminist bullshit.

>>544205208
the real crime is daring to want love as an undesireable incel

everything else revolves around that fact

>>544213300
400 million is more than any movie can make by just appealing to a single gender.
Saying "but 400 million isnt worth as much as it was in 2020" is a nonsequeter nonsense argument.
I know how inflation works, it doesnt change my assertion that a movie cannot earn 400 million by appealing to a single gender, especially a horror movie, since thats a genre women typically dont go see anyway.

>>544213303
The author is a faggot and a retard and I do t care about his opinion about his own creation.
The film exists and I can assess it on its own sake.
If the author claims the movie says something it doesn't, then he is wrong.
Again, go Google "death of the author", because you obviously didnt the last time I told you to.

>>544213673
>400 million is more than any movie can make by just appealing to a single gender.
>Saying "but 400 million isnt worth as much as it was in 2020" is a nonsequeter nonsense argument.
>I know how inflation works, it doesnt change my assertion that a movie cannot earn 400 million by appealing to a single gender, especially a horror movie, since thats a genre women typically dont go see anyway.
It means not that many people went to see it dipshit, it's mildly popular but not a phenomonom. You're trying to paint this as something everyone wanted to see and it isn't.

>>544204584
Because the words of a literal nobody on X are the word of God to you retards.

>>544213613
See
>>544213531

You fucking incel loser faggot.

>>544213769
Do you even know how much horror movies typically make?
400 million is insane

>>544213947
Aaaaaand were right back to proving popularity though how much money it made.

>>544213234
>you could only call him evil after he realizes what he's done and goes along with it anyway
He asked if he could cancel the wish but was told the only way out was through his death. Because no sane person would choose to kill themselves as their first option, he tried to find a way to "make it work". Mind you, the guy he called about the wish also told him that the love she feels is real.

>>544204584
Okay, which gender is the one to unironically brew love potions and practice magic?

Women don't have free will to begin with. All these fags arguing about robbing a women of their free will are simps who have never had to deal with women beyond wanting sex from them.

>>544213531
there are 3 problems overall:
1. That the writer claims it's not a monkey's paw, but that the character's actual desire (for reciprocated feelings) is the problem. It's not presented that the writer had the toy be cursed, malevolent, or that his wish was just badly worded... but rather that his underlying desire: for reciprocated feelings, is evil.
- if the writer had said that the toy was cursed or malevolent, then it's a story like Gremlins "let the buyer beware"
- if the writer had said that his wish was worded improperly, IE as people have pointed out in this thread, what if he'd wished for material wealth but not been careful with his wording, literally crushed by a billion dollars of gold bars. Then that's a "be careful what you wish for" story.
But the writer did not do that, he has said, and doubled down on the concept that the underlying desire, for reciprocated feelings, is the problem and source of horror.
2. The premise requires the character not believing the object has any power and making daydream level wish thinking there's no way it'll come true anyway so might as well carelessly wish for something unrealistic.
-If he'd believed the object actually had actual power, he'd probably be more careful with how he worded it at the very least. The unwritten, but intended clause in any daydream like wish for a particular person to love you is that they'd freely CHOOSE to love you. Love that is coerced, forced, or gotten by way of deception is meaningless. It only means something if the other person freely chooses it. That's implied in any kind of daydream.
3. When he realizes it went wrong and he wants to fix it, he's given suicide as the only way to fix it. Giving him basically a no win scenario. This isn't a heroic death to save someone else, this is a calculated decision to cease existing.
if a man goes into a burning building to save someone else heroically, he is RISKING himself, but not necessarily committing suicide.

>>544214021
Yes.
You are acting like 400 million in 2026 or 300 million in 2020 isnt a lot of money for a horror movie.
Thats just blatantly wrong and retarded
You're an idiot, the movie is popular, a large number of both men and women have gone to see it.
Stop acting like a fucking retard because you dont understand the film industry.

>>544213759
okay so we should have a thread about anon's headcanon, not what the writer actually aimed to portray.

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>>544206148
>if only Bear had psychic superpowers like normal people do, he would have known she was lying about her father, that Ian was shagging her, and that Sarah had a crush on him even though she went out of her way to avoid even hinting she would like to be more than friends
>then he could have been a good person like me

>>544204844
Qrd on this picture?
This is ai right?

>>544214373
that many people going to see it doesn't mean they all enjoyed it, nor does it mean it is a great film. People get caught up in word of mouth and fear of missing out all the time. It became a happening. Most of the time those things come and go with no real impact. Time will tell what happens with this film in this regard. People will listen to bad music just to not appear to be different or strange, same goes with watching films. It has not standing with the quality of the product itself.

>>544214373
It's a lot, for a horror film.
Actual popularity looks like a Billion dollars in 2020 money.
So it's a niche movie that made good against it's budget which was very cheap.
That does not mean the movie is extremely popular, because it isn't, it's still niche.

>>544214819
major point here.
just going to see it doesn't mean the film resonated with them.
it just means they took a chance at a new movie. They might know very little about it going to see it. I've gone to see movies and been disappointed before. My money still counts to its box office return.

My interpretation of the film is that the wish isn't inherently evil. It's just that due to how it works in-universe, and perhaps due to how the wisher pictured it himself, there was no non-demented way to do it. And then when it's clearly going wrong, and she is clearly not okay, and the real chick breaks through every now and then, he doesn't really care. All he cares about is that it's not working for him. Which also plays into the idea that perhaps how he pictured it is part of the corruption of the wish.

I also think maybe the idea is that the entity that possessed her came from his own mind/soul/whatever, and that's why it says that thing about the cat right at the start.

>>544214313
>1. That the writer claims it's not a monkey's paw, but that the character's actual desire (for reciprocated feelings) is the problem. It's not presented that the writer had the toy be cursed, malevolent, or that his wish was just badly worded... but rather that his underlying desire: for reciprocated feelings, is evil.
>- if the writer had said that the toy was cursed or malevolent, then it's a story like Gremlins "let the buyer beware"
>- if the writer had said that his wish was worded improperly, IE as people have pointed out in this thread, what if he'd wished for material wealth but not been careful with his wording, literally crushed by a billion dollars of gold bars. Then that's a "be careful what you wish for" story.
>But the writer did not do that, he has said, and doubled down on the concept that the underlying desire, for reciprocated feelings, is the problem and source of horror.
OK, in that sense the writer is right (but it clearly is a monkey's paw as evidenced by the first scene with the thing where the store owner tells Bear that these things are ruining people's lives but he buys it anyway).
I dont think the movie claims that the wish itself is evil (the director may have said that, if so hes a retard and thats not what he put in his movie).
What is evil is the selfishness and cowardice Bear demonstrates throughout the movie.
He demonstrates this at many points.
The clearest demonstration of this might be towards the end when he wants to modify the wish instead of canceling it.
He very clearly knows she is being possessed and acting against her will at this point, but he is OK with it so long as he gets to keep being with her.
Thats fucking evil.
>2
Sure, I agree completely. His initial intentions were harmless and pure, thats not what makes him a bad guy.
What makes him a bad guy is how he chooses to deal with the situation, particularly once it becomes clear that he isnt with the real Nicki and he decides he doesnt actually care.
Cont.

>>544213064
Finally, someone gets it. A hundred such movies came out but they didn't find the perfect storm of modernity behind them

>>544210030
I like your film but I like the film they actually made too. The film they made is very much about Bear, and the selfishness of his desire. Each time the chick gets worse, or more clearly communicates basically that this is all happening against her will, he does nothing, or tries to make it work. He wants it so badly he does not care what happens to her (or himself). Yours doesn't sound like it would have that at all.

>>544214313
>3. When he realizes it went wrong and he wants to fix it, he's given suicide as the only way to fix it. Giving him basically a no win scenario. This isn't a heroic death to save someone else, this is a calculated decision to cease existing.
>if a man goes into a burning building to save someone else heroically, he is RISKING himself, but not necessarily committing suicide.
Sure, but there are plenty other stories where the heroic sacrifice is explicitly a choice to die.
A soldier throwing himself on a grenade comes to mind.
On the point of trying to "fix it", 1) he doesnt try to undo the wish, he tries to "modify" it.
The movie doesnt really tell us exactly what he means by that, but at this point he knows pretty explicitly that Nikki is being possessed.
Its reasonable for him to assume that if all he did was "modify" the wish she would still be possessed.
2) suicide being the only way to undo the wish may be extreme, but I think the point is that it needs to be a very high cost to fix the mistake.
Sometimes simple mistakes have very severe consequences.
Thats part of the depth contained in the whole "be careful what you wish for" trope.
That said, I think its fair to criticize that as being unfair, but in that case I ask what would be a fair sacrifice to make to make up for his mistake?
I think something like her forgetting everything about him and him being forced to live knowing he lost his chance for the one thing he wanted might be a fair cost.
Either way, it needs to be severe and permanent otherwise the core idea of "be careful what you wish for" doesnt really land.
Why be careful if there are no consequences?

>>544215049
but when the solution presented is just "kys" that's a dead end. That's not a solution. If he could buy another macguffin and just undo the wish completely, but refused to, you'd have a point.
If there was a way presented in which he could exorcize the demon out of her but the resulting trauma would lead her to hate him and never want to see him again and he chose not to do that, you'd have a point.
If the solution was he had to do something dangerous (like maybe attacking whatever witch or evil created the damn thing) that RISKED his personal safety, and he chose not to do it, you might have a point.

But the solution is only "kys", which is a non solution, guaranteeing your own non existence from your perspective, has no benefits. She'd go back to normal.. and you'd not exist to even verify that's what happened.

>>544215049
>The clearest demonstration of this might be towards the end when he wants to modify the wish instead of canceling it.
That isn't that close to the end. I think he does far worse after this. Like walk away when the real girl that he was supposed to be in love with talks to him when the entity is sleeping.

And I think modifying the wish is really not that crazy either. Maybe he thinks he phrased it badly. We as viewers don't really understand what went wrong and he will understand it even less. Maybe his amendment will be "I want it to be the real her" or "I want her to be truly happy too". He is kinda stupid so he probably would have said "I want her to stop doing freaky shit" or something, but we don't know.

>>544214469
No, we should and are having a thread about what is actually presented in the fucking movie, but I can understand why that might be difficult if you never bothered to watch the fucking thing.
>muh money to jews
Pirate it faggot, I did.

>>544215579
it's what the writer intended to convey that I have a problem with, the writer.

>>544214590
>even though she went out of her way to avoid even hinting she would like to be more than friends
You must actually be autistic.
She asked him point fucking blank at the start of the movie if he liked her

>>544214819
>more goalpost shifting
The original argument was that the film only appealed to women which i have thoroughly destroyed.
You may not like that the movie was popular and successful, but that doesnt change the fact that it was.

>>544214826
Very few movies make over a billion dollars even in today's money.
You can count the number of billion dollar movies released this year on one hand.

>>544215499
I agree. Viewers casually suggesting he should have killed himself. Do you know how hard that is? Even suicidal people don't always emotionally succeed at it.

But then we find out he CAN just get someone else to undo the wish. That seems like a perfectly viable solution. Maybe if he had tried it sooner.

To me the film is about Bear and his attitude.

>>544214977
People usually dont go to see movies they arent interested in, and movies that dont resonate with people but have inflated hype will usually have a big opening and then drop off after the first week.
This movie released mo the ago and people are still talking about it.
It resonated with people, stop coping.

I turned down a chick who had been divorced. She wasn't ugly, did yoga every day and was trying to stay fit. But she was literally a blonde chick with rich parents who fucked a nigger who then cheated on her. I was like no way bro. She would seethe about how men "can't be picky about who they date". I think about that because I feel like the people who post the stupid shit in OP would probably agree with her that I was mean for being disinterested in a whore.

It's always like that with women now- she wants to be a whore until she's ready to find a serious guy, then it's a problem, but it's also a problem if non-chad/nigger men are into her when she's being a whore.

Luckily it was a temp job so I was done after a few months.

>>544215019
>And then when it's clearly going wrong, and she is clearly not okay, and the real chick breaks through every now and then, he doesn't really care
This.

The desire to be loved isnt the problem, its the selfish way he tried to cling to her after knowing she was suffering.
The movie is not ambiguous about this at all.

>>544215499
I think you just dont like the idea that sometimes the consequences of making a mistake is death.
I agree its possibly a bit extreme in this specific story, but I dont think its entirely unreasonable and the cold fact of reality is that sometimes in real life the consequence of making a stupid mistake is that you die.

>>544215879
people are talking about it as CONTROVERSY not universal acclaim and praise.
there's a difference.

>>544208967
>he needed to kill himself because magic became real all of a sudden without any prior warning

>>544215967
I would add it is not even possible for the film to be "about" the wish. The rules of the magic system are arbitrary, and unknown to all characters as well as the audience. The film is about what Bear does in the aftermath of a wish gone wrong.

>>544216077
I don't think you grasp the difference between "I did something stupid and accidentally died" and "I did something stupid and the only way to fix it is to deliberately kill myself"

it's the difference I'm trying to demonstrate by referring to a scenario of a man running into a burning building to save his family. He is RISKING himself, it might result in his death, but he is hoping he survives, believing that if he does not, his wife and kids GUARANTEED will die.
vs "you fucked up, there is no solution except for you to go neck yourself, now go buy a rope and a stool and plan out your own death and execute it by your own hands deliberately.

>>544204584
The way your crush will love you back is -with- material wealth. This isn't rocket science.

She's literally warm traffic here.

>>544215849
I think you are missing the point about true love.
One of the main ideas in the movie is that things go so horribly wrong because he was never actually in love with her to begin with, he only thought he was but in truth he didnt even really know anything about her.
If his love for her had been true love, then he should have been willing to die for her, which he ultimately does at the end.
There's also a story in there about overcoming his cowardice.
It was his cowardice that made him fail to confess his feelings at the start.
By failing to overcome that relatively small fear he put himself in a much more severe circumstance where the only way out was to overcome the fear of death and make the ultimate sacrifice to save the woman he loved.
It became clear that his mistake had destroyed any potential he had for being with her in a real way and on that moment the only noble thing left to do is to sacrifice himself to save her.
Maybe there was actually some other way in-universe, but in the story we got, by the time we get to the end she is so far gone that this is really the only option left

>>544216482
there is no nobility there foid.