Where did it all go so wrong for Russia?They had a space station, half of Europe and a high birth rate.Now they can't win against one of their former puppet nations.
>>544210755The life for an average Russian is better now than at any point under USSR
>>544210756The average Russian is getting turned into minced meat in Ukraine right now.
>>544210755>Where did it all go so wrong for Russia?1985 with Gorbachev>>544210755>Now they can't win against one of their former puppet nations.EU countries spend annually in average 0.7% of their GDP on helping Ukraine and it keeps getting bigger USA spent a lot but reduced help by nowhttps://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-us-russia-aid/33337524.htmlRussia spends 7%Dumb to say Russia fights against Ukraine and not NATO>>544210757Also useless exaggeration
>>544210758>Also useless exaggerationWhat, are poor people not human beings anymore? Completely classist and inhuman worldview. I don't care that Moscow and St. Peter are rich. 90% of Russians still live outside those cities.>EU countries spend annually in average 0.7% of their GDPDoesn't sound like much desu
>>544210755the soviet economy was inherently going to fail. simple as. I guess there truly is a new one born every minute
>>544210757And it's still unironically better than the soviet union. I'm not even saying this as a burger. We're talking about a society where you would saved burnt match heads to reuse, and markets were more of a front than a store.
>>544210761At least they had soyuzmultfilm>Since the foundation of the company 85 years ago, Soyuzmultfilm has created more than 1,500 animated films in a variety of formats, genres, and techniques.And also Soviet films, which were way better than Russian ones. They had it comfy.
>>544210755>Where did it all go so wrong for Russia?The 90s.
>>544210756True.>>544210758Don't forget all of the help which is not being counted in the value. Like providing info etc.
>>544210758Too scared to post under your own flag, katsap?
>>544210755kek, soviet union was already dying in the 80'smake it about 60's and that pic would make sense
The only reason the Soviet Union got as far as it did was all the subjugated countries that were propping it up. As soon as they left and russia could no longer loot them, it was doomed to be forever an irrelevant weak shithole.
>>544210755Americans dismantled Russia in the 1990s. Things happened in Russia in the 1990s that I can't even write down here.
>>544210755Because it was never "their" puppet nation. It was someone else's. They were playing Chess while others played Checkers. Meanwhile, "someone else" was playing Xiangqi.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAwWPadFsOALllLlLlLllLllLlllLllLllLllllLlLllLllLllLllLLLlllLll
>>544210765Putin banned 4chan. The average Russian needs to use a VPN. Anyone with a Russian flag works for the Russian government.
>>544211263>Anyone with a Russian flag works for the Russian government.No, you dumb fuck.
>>544210765shut the fuck up goymeat, get in the fucking trench or die on the street
>>544210755>can't winnowon't winPutin & Zelensky work together to slowly genocide white man Slavs>V.V. Putin has long been recruited by the West and, apparently, has become the largest project of Western intelligence services- General Igor Ivanovich Parinov, retired GRU Russia Military Intelligencehttps://slavlandchronicles.substack.com/p/not-everyone-thinks-putin-saved-russia
>>544211491hohols are a slave race
>>544211263Based if true
>>544210755They were propped up artificially by anglo-americans in order to have a balance of powers on the continent.
>>544211609It really is insane how docile the Ukrainians are in the face of the bussification vans. Not even Amerigoyim would be that subservient.
>>544210755When they revolted capitalism was based on competition and reaching the consumer, by 1991 capitalism was a 19th century fever dream and everyone has sovereign economies with an impossible amount of restrictions for trade from tariffs on exports and imports to blocks, legal aberrations caused by a century of malpractice, it was impossible for a russian product meant to last ten years to compete with planned obsolence on western products all what they built had a disposable western equivalenteThe brands couldn't compete they didn't had brand culture, they weren't thinking in terms of my sega beats your NintendoWithout all of that even if they had resources the west wasn't buying, their relation with european is notoriously shitty and no one here can deny it never improves
>>544210755>Where did it all go so wrongPerestroika
>>544210758The 7% of Russia's GDP figure includes all military spending, including nuclear ICBMs and submarines
>>544210756LOL Moscow and Petersburg are not the average.
>>544210755I can't wait to see ragheads murdering you in the street Ossi faggot
>>544210755Christianity.
>>544210755Чoмy нe нa фpoнтi?
>>544210755why is the ussr portrayed as a child in 85 as if the union had just been formed?reddit r/polandball needs to step it up
unironically it was joever the moment vodka was invented.
>>544210755Russia birthrate was trash for decades. There are rand reports from the 1960s warning of the eventual muslim takeover of the ussr.
>>544210755>a high birth rate.When was that?AFAIK their births have been low ever since Soviet times?
>>544213380>eventual muslim takeover of the ussrtwo weeks
>>544212938>least self destructive Russian.webm
>>544210757still better than the soviet era..
>>544211161Quite the opposite. Carrying out market reforms in Russia would have been greatly hindered had it remained in a single state with the conservative and backward Central Asian republics.
Where did it all go so wrong for Germany?They had one of the world's largest economy, entire Europe and a high birth rate.Now they can't win against their own migrant population.
>>544210755You know than our language has word "Ryssiä" which is verb and means "making epic failure". There is long historical reasons for that word.
>>544210755I can tell you. It went wrong when they trusted a Jew. Early in the war, they made a peace deal with Ukraine that Ukraine then backstabbed them on while they were withdrawing from Kiev. Then modern warfare changed. In the same way tanks broke the stalemate of World War II, drones made tanks obsolete, and so now the stale mate of trench warfare is back.That is literally the reason. In America is understanding the same thing and I ran just as we speak in just as I predicted even though NAFO faggots told me I was coping lol
>>544211263>Putin banned 4chanIsn't this just a lie? Dvach isn't even banned, but managed by the Russian government just like how 4chan is.
Hasn't russia always been a massive and hard to govern country with a whole bunch of retarded natives?Basically Canada if it didn't have the USA to leech off, the best they have are the chinese. Essentially Russia has no real allies, even some shithole like japan, surrounded by enemies, manages to have more true allies than Russia does.
>>544213695Funny how you conveniently only cherrypicked the least developed, worst shitholes. Every European country was propping up the soviet union. Once they finally got free from the russian occupation, they immediately began to prosper, while russia remained a dirt poor shithole.
>>544210755slavnigger genes
>>544210755They gave in to their subhuman genes, and without money/resources/brainpower stolen from countries enslaved in the USSR- they returned to their natural state of banditry and barbaric decay, ready to murder for a bottle of vodka and a TV set, waiting to become an official vassal of China.
I don't know what it is about Russia that pisses off both autistic NEET shut-in nerds and bourgeois liberals, but I do know that's exactly why I should support it.
>>5442141124chan is banned here since 2016. And it is not because of politics.However the blocking measures before 2020 were almost non existent or very easily bypassable.
>>544210762The preoccupation modern people have with entertainment always alarms me. Their minds are just bubbling cauldrons of film, literature, art, music etc. We call it art but it is really just entertainment. It is every bit as much an addiction as drugs.
>>544212938Like the Irish and Whiskey. If the Irish ever convert to Islam it's O'Ver for Europe. They'd sack everything from Iceland to Moscow.
>>544214258>USSR stole the treasures of baltic sprats
But at least they don't speak Polish.
>>544214341Interesting. Web searches claim the opposite for us.
Basically the Russians were never able to shake the cultural norms that they gained during the time they were ruled by the Mongols.And they still haven't
>>544214511The least retarded westoid.
>>544214411Quite literally. All the industrial output of Baltics, Poland, Czechia, and others, was looted and sent to moscow. Why do you think all of them started prospering as soon as they were able to kick you occupiers out?
>>544213695
>>544214565Its honestly a tragedyWe got a brief glimpse of what Russia could have been It never materialised but you could see the outline and the potentialBut alas you're all little robber barons at heart and any time someone tries to change that you all bring out the knives
>>544214511Russia never went through social evolution like European countries did. They never evolved from feudalism. They never got a middle class. They never had their people decide their country's direction. To this day, russia is still a feudal society. The rulers in moscow loot all the riches from other parts, and the peasants have no role but to obey their rulers.
>>544214645Poland was on par with Russian in development before it got into EU. Poland and Czechia weren't even part of USSR.And Russia was sucked out dry by Moscow, Pidorsburg and all other bumfuck republics. Soviets really developed many shitholes which weren't Russia. Right now it's also being sucked out but by Moscow only.
1930s when Soviets started supplying Germany and inadvertently hastened french defeat. Soviets were never for light industry but they really went to the deep end during and after WW2
>>544214802Nigga you couldn't even build a hotel in Tallinn without Finnish expertise
>>544214802we were poorer than you when communism collapsed but before we joined EU we were already clearly richerthen EU regulations stagnated our economypic rel
>>544210755>Where did it all go so wrong for Russia?I'd like for you to visit Moscow, St. Petersburg, or any other significant Russian city, just to gain some perspective, and ultimately disillusioned about who it went wrong for.
>>544210758>Dumb to say Russia fights against Ukraine and not NATOWell, its figthing against a Suported by NATO country, not NATO itself. Its not a small diference, if NATO can do all this damage without even figthing in the front, imagine what can it do in a convenctional war...Many people underestimate that alliance, but the fact is that NATO, despite all its problems, is the most powerfull alliance in the word rigth now.
>>544214715Yes but also no.The fundamental problem comes from the social norms imposed during Mongol rule.Mongols didn't give a shit about how their territory was ruled only that they got their tribute. So this encouraged the Russian ruling class to be nothing more than robber barons who rule through force and take as they please. This behaviour spread down. Every time a Russian ruler tried to change this they either died at the hands of these robber barons or they became one in the end. No grand social movements ever managed to change it either.So yeah you're right they had no social revolution.But you're wrong in that its about feudalism. This behaviour predates feudalism and endures regardless of how Russia changes politically or socially. Wealth and strength are unfortunately idolised in Russia (something they have in common with Americans)
>>544214645Statistics show the opposite. After 1991, the Baltic states experienced a deep and protracted economic downturn. For example, in Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania, the decline in production was one of the most significant among post-communist countries. The recession in the Baltic states continued until 1994. Before World War II, most Eastern European countries were agrarian. Czechoslovakia was an exception, but Poland, Hungary, Romania, and the Baltics had weak industry. After the war, the USSR forcibly industrialized these countries. By the 1980s, for example, in East Germany and Czechoslovakia, the share of mechanical engineering in exports to the USSR was very high.
>>544210756The average Russian is a miserable soul in a rundown town with zero perspective. The only thing that changed is the flag.
>>544210761>saved burnt match heads to reuselmao anti russia propaganda in usa is literally worse tier than iraq incubators, and they all swallow it
>>544215242>Before World War II, most Eastern European countries were agrarian.That is simply not true. Why is it that you russians are unable to make a single post without lying? You keep rewriting history to say "russia good, russia great, russia powerful, russia uplifted poor nation". The exact opposite is true, you do nothing but loot the nations that you occupy.
>>544215183Mongol influence strengthened the already existing Byzantine model of autocracy. Russia was not a "blank slate" before the Mongols. Kievan Rus already had a strong princely power inherited from Byzantium. The Mongols did not create autocracy from scratch, but reinforced a trend that had already emerged.Russian autocracy took shape under conditions of constant military threat from the west and south, the absence of natural borders, and the need to mobilize resources for defense. This created a demand for strong central power regardless of any Mongol legacy.Ivan Kalita collected tribute from all the Russian principalities and delivered it to the Horde, but kept part of it for himself. It was precisely these surpluses that allowed Moscow to become the center of unification. Serfdom took shape gradually: the Sudebnik of 1497 restricted peasant movement, and the Sobornoye Ulozheniye of 1649 finally enserfed them. The Mongol period ended in 1480. A direct connection between the Mongol "attachment of peasants" and Russian serfdom has not been proven; rather, they are parallel processes caused by similar needs to mobilize resources.
>>544210755At around 2008 financial crisis+Georgia invasion
>>544214680The real tragedy is your sister getting fucked silly by pakis. Oh wait, that's just part of bong culture.
>>544215488>that flag>talking about someone looting the nationslel
>>544211491>So-called nationalist when he sees conscription(regular thing in military) during a war
>>544210755Nixon/Kissinger USA opening to Mao/Zhou China completed the strategic encirclement of the USSR.Thus, starting their decline.
>>544215488The thesis of "plunder" contradicts even the banal data on Soviet subsidies. In 1974–1978, the USSR provided Eastern European countries with trade subsidies averaging $5.8 billion per year, in 1979 — $10.4 billion, and in 1980 — $21.7 billion. These subsidies arose because the USSR supplied oil and gas to Eastern Europe at below-world prices, while importing from there machinery and equipment that often found no market in the West. Economically, the USSR would have benefited if it had sold energy resources to the West rather than to Eastern Europe.
>>544215767Empire's provinces are always wealthier.USSR just could not afford eastern Europe + Cold war against USA.
>>544215537Many of western countries were much more autocratic actually at those times.
>>544215831“‘Couldn’t afford it’ — yet they managed to afford it for 40 years.Subsidies grew precisely during the period of peak military tension (1979–1980). The resources were there, but they were redistributed at the consumer’s expense.”
>>544215767you tried so hard but everything you touches turns into hiv and povertygreeks should write dramas about you
>>544210756Based on what evidence do you say this? How would you know either way?
>>544215984...at the cost of losing it all in 1989. America is still here.
>>544215333Russia isn't the URSS
>>544215767"Subsidies" that are a fraction of what you've first stolen from them. Look at Bashkortostan today for example. Russians say that they get lots of subsidies. But it's a tiny fraction compared to the oil that gets looted from there.So no, russia has never subsidized anything. All the European countries occupied by USSR were constantly looted, that is why they remained poor and started prospering as long as the occupier was no longer there to loot them.
>>544210755
>>544216148If the “departure of the occupier” automatically leads to prosperity, why is Ukraine in 2024 3.4 times poorer than Poland, even though in 1991 it was 21% richer? COMECON subsidies were enormous in the 1970s–80s. $21.7 billion in 1980 — that is more than the USSR spent on many civilian programs.
>>544210755>Where did it all go so wrong for Russia?Idiot population + wannabe dictators = dystopia.
>>544215984Your empire imploded because you couldn't afford war with Afghanistan.
>>544216148>Look at Bashkortostan today for example. Russians say that they get lots of subsidies.>Bashkortostan>subsidiesNigga. Your knowledge is really poor.And how the fuck modern RF inside model is applied to USSR and the countries of Eastern Block?
>>544216111in essence it is, especially for americans and the point of my posteveryone knows this except a faggot french who thinks he's being smartmaybe try reddit you collosal niggerloving faggot
>>544210755The USSR was dead from the outset when it robbed some people to benefit others. Europe followed the same path when it started feeding Africans, and as a result, they are gradually losing to China.Internationalism is always evil.
>>544216288mostly because when ukraine tried to leave you started attrition warfare with them you mindless monkey
>>544210755its full of russian people
>>544216174>other galaxies>atheist utopiaFaggots never learn.
>>544216550>Searching for posts with the filename ‘1731878812069794’ and with file type ‘jpg’. 241 results found.This chudcel lives on this forum, holy fuck. Literal menttal illness.
>>544216684too bad you still have no counter arguments after last 4 years you russian monkeykeep counting since its the only argument you could ever have subhuman
>>544216288>why is Ukraine in 2024 3.4 times poorer than Poland, even though in 1991 it was 21% richer?I truly wonderit's a mystery for the ageswe will probably never knowoh wait maybe it could have to do with russia bombing the shit out of ukraine for years?
>>544216918I just searched for the shit you post and you've been doing it for literal years. Imagine being this kind of lifeless freak. Your life must be a nightmare.
>>544217448By 2013, before the Maidan and the war, Poland was already 3 times richer than Ukraine. If bombings were the only cause, the gap in 2013 would have been minimal. Ukraine's population declined from 52 million (1992) to 42 million (2019) before the war — due to migration and low birth rate.
>>544216451I don't think Im smart but I do think URSS was the end of Russia.
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>>544210755>They had a space station, half of EuropeYou answered your own question there, they were living off of half of Europe, as you probably well know, after it being handed to them on a silver platter by the Allies for no fucking reason whatsoever and despite having started WW2 with Hitler by signing a pact, Molotov-Ribbentrop, to carve up Europe, which for some bizarre reason the Allies then decided to grant them anyway.Why do you think they're so desperate to go on another imperialist adventure?As for where everything went wrong, with Stalin obviously, but later when the SU collapsed they had ONE FUCKING CHANCE to get rid of their overlords and they didn't take it. Not a single Soviet official was prosecuted, imprisoned or executed. Despite said officials having sent tens of millions to their deaths.That was their chance and they blew it, because at that point they were all 100% brainwashed commie sheep, the rot ran too deep, and they were past the point of no return.Now they're all just hoping the problem magically solves itself without an uprising or violence, which is of course wishful thinking. The Siloviki mafia are never giving up power willingly, and they'll never allow Russia to become an actual democracy where people would start asking questions.Losing their war is unironically the best chance and hope Russia has for change, that's how it's been historically, even the Soviet Union collapsed after losing their war in Afghanistan.
>>544211491They wouldn’t try that in a free country
>>544217796The USSR subsidized its satellites by selling them oil and gas below world prices. In 1980, these subsidies reached $21.7 billion, which amounted to more than 1.5% of the USSR's GNP. You imply that the departure of the "occupier" automatically leads to prosperity. But Ukraine after 1991 did not become prosperous, while Poland did. The reason is not the departure of the USSR, but the quality of reforms. If departure automatically gave prosperity, Ukraine and Moldova would be richer than Poland today.You condemn the USSR for the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, but the Allies themselves signed the Munich Agreement (1938), giving Czechoslovakia to Hitler. Did the West know about the secret protocols? Not necessarily.
>>544217563you are here too you russian monkey so spare me your copes you hiv ridden subhuman
there's a real photo of two Russians playing chess (?) in the same setting. does anyone have it?
>>544210755zog, they got a real bad case of it too.
>>544218146>The USSR subsidized its satellites by selling them oil and gasthe absolute state of pidor delusion, fuckyou robbed Europe blind and not just of material wealth but by robbing entire generations of people of opportunity, freedom, agency and their future, the most they could hope for was become some cog in your infernal commie machine for the glory of mother ruzzia>You condemn the USSR for the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, but the Allies themselves signed the Munich Agreement (1938), giving Czechoslovakia to HitlerHence why today we try to not repeat the mistakes of the past because we learned that APPEASEMENT NEVER WORKS and that's why the russia must be defeated in Ukraine and not turned into Czechoslovakia 2.0
>>544218146USSR also demanded we spend 10% of our gdp on war, buying their shit and to buy their civilians shit they made.
>>544219135some day you will kill yourself
>>544218146But Hitler was based, you Russian retard.
>>544210755Yiu just made me remember that Metamorphosis hentai..
>>544210758>0.7 vs 7...Percentage bros...
>>544210755jews
>>544219962kek too bad im not russian you monkeyi dont have reasons to kill myselfif i had you wouldnt have to count my posts while i show everyone what a hiv ridden impoverished shithole full of subhumans you live in
