https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer%27s_dilemma
>>544229577TMD
>look at this dilemma >it’s not contentious at all
>>544229577We could just execute the pedophiles complaining about lack of kid fucking in videogames.
>>544229577It's gay and retarded and doesn't matter>>544229673Agreed. Every last muslim.
>>544229768Imprisonment and rehabilitation seems more sensible. But I think the same should apply to those that commit virtual murder. Both are wrong.
Unfortunately a jew like you wouldn't understand the solution.
>>544229577A sex pest wrote this article... and 99% of other articles on the most Jewish website on the internet. They should move their headquarters to Tel Aviv.
>>544229577Virtual sexual content causes real life arousal, violence doesn't
>>544229577elon musk is a smart guy and he says he didnt play GTA V because the story started out w him killing copsme? i didnt give two fucks, i played that shit through to the end 4 different times nigga kek
>>544229577fictional characters are fictional characters, and the industry rating system should try to gatekeep all under-18s out of all games depicting violent death or sexual acts
>>544229577there is no dilemmayou murder your opponents in videogamesthis is justified, like it is in a warthis is nowhere the same as child pornthe fitting anology would be if videogames would publish torture games to torture enthusiastspeople that make these argumetns are just low IQ niggers
>>544229577KIll all jews so they can't make up bs like this
>>544229577Didn’t they just pass a law saying AI generated CP doesn’t count? What do these legislators think the models are trained on, vibes and essays?
>>544229946What about GTA when I go on a killing spree and kill civilians chud? ANSWER GERM! Or what about games like hatred where the objective is to kill as many innocent people as possible chuddy?
>>544229577>you eat pigs, but you don't eat dogs>there is no meaningful distinction to morally differentiate those two acts>you want to win but you want your enemies to lose>isn't that a little hypocritical?>also, morality doesn't exist
Stop trying to justify pedophilia you weirdo. Go kys already. Do everyone a favor fucking sicko.
>>544229928alternatively, it may be healthier to block children from violent acts but allow them access to depictions of fictional children in sexual situations, then criminalize it once they're of age but let them play games depicting violent death
>>544229577>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer%27s_dilemmafirst off, what foundational principal does the ethicist use to make normative statements about a game? it's no different than a fantasy or day dream. playing a game doesn't hurt anyone. not wanting to harm children in a game is a preference that most normal people would have. he sounds like a pedo for even thinking this shit up in the first place.
>>544229946Skinner box.
>>544230128Both virtual CSAM and virtual murder are wrong. And I did not invent the Dilemma. This man did.
>>544230097if some fictional depictions of [something that would be a crime and morally wrong if it happened IRL] are wrong, why not all?>>544230056they're trained on available images, which we should force developers to make public, but it's not a stretch that the image generators would use general knowledge of what a flat woman looks like to generate other imagery
>>544230095GTA is an immoral gameyoure absolutely right about that
>>544230159>playing a game doesn't hurt anyonePlease refer your stupid ass to "self harm." Yes, you CAN self inflict someone else's gaslighting.
>>544230261the dilemma doesnt existhes just a retard
all virtual acts are permissable because they are not real but good luck trying to sell underage sex game outside of japan
>>544229577I'm surprised this stupid dogshit has an article on wiki kek
>>544230270I’m sure the CIA is training their own models on seized hard drives.
>>544230261look at the beak on him
>>544230285reword your response so it means something intelligible, boyo.
I've played games in which you could rape children. It was funny.
>>544230316It would sell to your paki population is is quite high innuit.
>>544230369yeah sounds like something they'd do in their free time. not even for a business purpose, just because they're the cia and nobody's stopping them
>>544230405Seek Christ
>>544230414don't bring eskimos into this
>>544230398>that wasn't intelligible to meOk. I can't help you, I'm not an English teacher.
>>544229577Noooo think of the virtual children
ah lol so it's just the >why is murder ok but we can't rape npcsmeme but someone turned it into a wiki article and was dumb enough to dox himself while saying it? kek
I hate coomers. Simple as. Total coomer death.
>>544230468this, just wait until they turn 18 and then it magically becomes ok to exploit them as wageslaves or kill them in war
>>544229577Getting a gf
>>544229915I havent played any of the GTAs because I'm white. I dont fantasize about doing crime like browns do.
>>544230504I'll coom in your cup and you will consoom.
>>544230468>delusional gloatingWhat part of "put it back in the fucking box" did you fail to understand?
>>544229577It's quite stupid.Not because the fantasy acts are le bad but because the standard of "It's pixels, who gives a shit" should apply across the board.>>544229768>>544229871Good, good goyim, focus on the pixels and not routing out the actual pedos. Manpower and Manhours are a finite resource, so spend those on stupid shit, goy.I give zero fucks if someone spanks it to pixels. Second that person's putting any move on an actual human, deal with it swiftly.We see this a lot though. Soigoys who are commonly actual pedos saying how super important it is to chase pixels and drawings, and definitely not them, the moral upstanding gentlemen of the world.>>544230159The same people as picrel always try to make the argument of chasing fictional media.
>>544230270it would be more of a problem for consequentialists and deontologists.there are no direct consequences and it's universalizable.virtue ethics has the best answer: What kind of person is doing that.either way, it's more of an aesthetic issue than a moral one.
>>544230513I deserve a little girl wife
>>544230527Yer bet you love taking nigger cock up your ass as well. You sound like a weak faggot.
>>544229577Humans are prone to kill other humans far more than they are prone to fuck children. Pedophilia is extremely taboo and always has been. Killing people has never been taboo but shouldn't be done for obvious reasons. Shame is a big part of the reason as to why no one will admit that fucking virtual kids is okay as that might be an admission to being a pedo or supporting pedos.
>>544229577morgan luck is a kike. i dont have to look it up.
It's a false dilemma. Murder and CSA are not morally equivalent bad acts. Some bad acts ARE WORSE than others.>a mission about buying and consuming drugs>a mission about evading taxes>a mission about murdering someone>a mission about trafficking a childObviously there's a sliding scale of immoral acts, and at some point, even depicting the bad action in fiction in the first person (eg in first person POV in a novel or by having a player in a game simulate the action) crosses the line for worse immoral acts, but not others.Also it's not "morally justified" it's "morally permissible." The difference is important.Anyway the logical error is in point #4. CSA is worse than murder. Even portraying CSA is worse than portraying murder, ESPECIALLY if you consider the portrayal to be encouraging in any way.
>>544230543I'll shoot you in the dick with bird shot.
>>544230472some retards published it too
>>544230646I'll shoot you in the dick with buckshot with the tranny maker 9000.
>>544229577There is no dilemma, both are fine.Caveat however, humans dont behave in rational ways, they dont need to, it is the norm to hold inconsistent and contradictory beliefs.
>>544229768I assume you would have no problem with removing murder from video games too then?
>>544230569>actual pedosAnon, these people ARE actual pedos. Pixels don’t negate the attraction. If you jerk off to drawings of men, you’re gay. If you jerk off to drawings of children, you’re a pedophile.
>>544230643The novel American Psycho has first person POV chapters of Patrick Bateman murdering children and eating people. He even rapes his girlfriend while she’s zonked on pills.
>>544229577I'm curious what types of gamers Morgan Luck spoke to because it certainly wasn't anyone on /v/.
>>544229897I get pretty aroused when i murder women in blade and sorcery
>>544230527that game was actually such a blast. online rocked back in 2013.
What are you on about? Both are fine because both are fictional. Anyone asserting otherwise is a moron. Lost LifeMiko-chan TrainingKiddie Love DaycareUnteralterbachall great games.
>>544230270Because it's not a universal principle, it's a particularist decision rooted in a specific socio-cultural circumstance
>>544229819>Agreed. Every last muslim.ALL the pedophiles, that also means every last hindu, jew, and sikh.
>>544230782You're actually incorrect.All pedophiles are faggots. If you are not attracted to males, you are not a pedophile, you have been gaslit to associate a specific female body type(pear) with children.This body type is not present in porn because those women get married readily.Or get breast implants because they're fucking brain damaged.
>>544230270>if some fictional depictions of [something that would be a crime and morally wrong if it happened IRL] are wrong, why not all?Bingo.I'll even go one step further and say I give no fucks about someone with images or video either. You can go to uhg or plenty of places and get all the murder and gore you want and not one person bats an eye. If someone can routinely and easily get recordings of murder and torture, I ain't gonna double standard lesser offenses.FIND THE OFFENDERS who produced it. Simple as. No distractions.>general knowledge of what a flat woman looks like to generate other imageryI imagine it's easy to keep blending similar things until you hit the desired effect. I'd expect if you fuse a flat chick or man with a pixar cartoon enough times, then you eventually end up at something human but with childlike proportions in features.Ain't too far off that Frozen/Pixar look generic AI slop has already even with adult characters.>>544230316This.>>544230513Good mesugaki energy.
>>544230434Yeah, he was in the game too lol
>>544229577Lmao funny how some tranny predittor created this as if any gamer in history ever thought about it. Only pedophiles want to fuck kids both in real life and in videogames and they should all be hanged. Problem solved
>>544229871The way you rehabilitate pedos is with a bullet.
>>544229577the biggest joke is why the rapes are taboo in porn business
>>544230782>Anon, these people ARE actual pedos. Pixels don’t negate the attraction.NOOOO THEYRE THE PEDOS FOR REAL THOIf they're not murders, rapists, torturers, snipers, armed combatants, wizards, orcs, dwarves, shaman, or even goddamned anthros for real... then no, no amount of ownership of fictional media makes someone something they do not do in real life.Simple as.Fantasy =/= RealityThe same failure to differentiate between the two is how we got pronouns.
>>544231126No. If they have not offended then chemical castration is an option.
>>544229577Complex question fallacy
>>544230730They're not contradictory: rape leaves lifelong victims as a first order effect whereas murder creates only corpses with the second order effect of leaving behind mourning family members. If it's an NPC no one liked then no one would mourn for them and it would be an easy choice. If a game were to portray sex between an anime man and a consenting anime "loli" in a loving relationship it would make these gamers uncomfortable because it's not presented as a first order effect of a rape victim and they'd label it a diddyblud epstein human-trafficking simulator that normalizes real abuse, which is actually a second order effect being treated as a first order one in the absence of an intrinsic ethical failing. Same of argument parents used to make about GTA creating serial killers.
>>544229577I came to terms with Japanese proclivities decades ago. I have zero issue with loli rape, it's just another fetish
>>544229577Pedos are such disingenuous faggots, and are always trying to find some "hypocrisy" they can throw at their critics, but because they're retarded pedophiles they just humiliate themselves.Why the dilemma isn't actually a dilemma:>sexuality is easy to influence>a person who watches x porn (incest, feet, tranny, etc) will gradually develop that fetish even if they've never once thought of it>some will develop it the first time they interact with it>a game that has sexualized children in it will literally manufacture pedophiles>most people won't even touch the game, but those that are trying to be "good faith" or something retarded like that might try it, then realize whoops they're a pedo nowThis is very different from seeing murder in games, because the drive to kill someone isn't as easily acquired as new kinks. You can kill people in games all day while still realizing you'll get caught if you try to kill someone and it wouldn't even benefit you. Sexuality though is pernicious and very easy to get caught up in.
The solution is that virtual murder is still a lust for violence, while virtual child porn is still a lust for children. You aren't being violent towards a real person, and aren't lusting towards a real person, but you are engaging in degenerate desires.
>>544231188Thought crimes aren't crimes, simple as.If they were, you'd be castrated for being a violent faggot.>>544230946Nah, that's just a side effect of gays being something like 30x minimum more often child rapists than straight men.Rabbis are something like 20x Catholic Priests but the latter is memed on for being pedos constantly.
Because no one genuinely enjoys sadistically killing people in games for no reason. At the worst it's always done lightheartedly or the story of the game gives a somewhat justifiable reason to sadistically kill something. Virtual pedophilia has no good justification for it (except for possibly giving pedos an alternative outlet rather than actually committing it) and is never done with a lighthearted or joking manner.
>>544231352>T. saw a penis one time and is now a raging homosexual trying his best to suppress it and blame a penis for his acquired kink
>>544230789And? Your point?
>>544231535>nah, that's just a side effect of...It takes meeting precisely one adult female of the correct form factor to notice you've been gaslit.
>>544231456based and true i agreeits not aryan to want to kill innocent people for no reason (even if they're pixels on a screen)i knew a tranny (came out after i turned into a nazi) that did this when they came over once. i thought it was weird but i brushed it off. that person is in jail now.
>>544229577I don't care about either
>>544231535
>>544231567>Because no one genuinely enjoys sadistically killing people in games for no reason.???"Let me tell you about your culture, fellow gamers"Bruh.The only thing that deters gamers from indulging that "I wonder if" is how far back the last save is.Yall really outing yourselves.>>544231456Also suddenly a bunch of shill backup agreeing with the kekw wikipedia article written by a seething redditor mad about "gamergate".
>>544231567There are way too many arguments against this shitty "dilemma". Wikipedia and any "academics" taking this shit seriously are idiots
>>544229577>Ethics argument>First supposition is a legally required 'opinion'Doesn't sound like a dilemma to me. Sounds like strawman.
>>544231775Anon this is the slide thread of last week. It's barely real.
>>544231704Congrats, it's a density map of the US. And areas literally 100x larger than israel have the same number of pins.
>>544231750Some of the best video games of all time don't involve you killing people
>>544229577> Morgan Luck(what an odd last name dot jay peg)basically this is a false dilemma that's used to attack video games and expression in general, by associating some inanimate entertainment media, with something physically real and harmful that people do to each other. it borders on a witch hunt, similar to the panic over Dungeons and Dragons (which is literally a game of imagination)a game inherently involves a winner and a loser (or their groupings) and in that way, someone disingenuous enough could say that "losing" is a form of violence against the participants. (hence participation trophies for the losers)likewise not all forms of virtual violence involve "murder" and not all virtual depictions of sexual abuse involve minors, and depending on how leftism-deranged the observer is, they can tunnel their argumentation infinitely downwards to say that ANY aspect of a game is evil.example: "even participating in a fictional slavery is evil" (contained entirely inside of the game and involves no real slaves)if one unit in an RTS game makes contact with the same unit and a third unit is generated nearby, is that considered sexual content? it fully replicates the realities of sex. does it deserve an adults-only (banned) rating from censorship- i mean, "ratings" boards?> "BuT iT dEpEnDs On ThE aRt DePiCtIoN"then it's a matter of taste.stop looking at it and stop bitching about it, faggot ass nigger.>>544229673agreed
>>544229577Never even fucking heard of this. The faggot who wrote the article made it up.
>>544231775>Wikipedia and any "academics" taking this shit seriously are idiotsCmon man, would a circle jerk of academia and redditors really blow something out of proportion while trying to weaponize it as an excuse to harass and jail their cultural enemies?>>544231783They also wish they had a brain, but the wizard wasn't available.Also, much like the wizard, all they got was a diploma that means nothing because they never received the actual brain.
>>544231584be that as it may
>>544231825>posts a game where you logically kill billionsEither way, games involve what they involve, depending on the genre and tone.>>544231868>basically this is a false dilemma that's used to attack video games and expression in general, by associating some inanimate entertainment media, with something physically real and harmful that people do to each other. it borders on a witch huntNotice how it's also exclusively weaponized against straight men.If you've got underage girls smashing clams, that's powerful, inspiring, etc.
>>544229577We don't need to kill all the wolves. We just need a robust alert system and a qualification for firewatch and turrets and responsible parents teaching their kids about trigger safety and napalm and you know what? Maybe we should just kill all the wolves.
>>544232093>it's exclusively weaponized against straight menAgain. I already fucking said it.If you're straight, you're being gaslit. If you aren't being gaslit, you're lying about being straight.
>>544229577God said don't put csam in vidya so we don't have to think about it anymore.
>>544232134>and responsible parents teaching their kids about trigger safetyUnironically this.There is 100% a new age bad parenting element where modern parents want big brother to control more of their lives by adopting their responsibilities.Excluding the literal trigger safety of being taught on a range at 4, knowing where any household firearms were, and that guns aren't toys... but if someone is creeping around the house in the dark, they're fair game.I was also just plain taught that sending a house key into a kidnapper's eye socket would probably give me a better chance than cooperation.>>544232200I meant the association with pedo shit is weaponized on straights when it is not an exclusively straight issue. And while gays and rabbis are massively more often pedos, it does not mean we overlook anyone else who is.I was just also pointing out the contradiction that they bend the pedo criteria as soon as it turns gay.
>>544231750>The only thing that deters gamers from indulging that "I wonder if" is how far back the last save is.That would fall under lightheartedness. I'm not against you.
>>544229577There is no dilemma, it's a video game, you won't stop being a virgin because you had sex in a game, no one is "harmed" by your actions, it's all fiction.
>>544229577pedos get the death penalty. those that disagree also get the death penalty for being pedo sympathizers and potential pedos themselves
>>544229577/v/ loves lolis, this dilemma is a reddit zoomer problem.
>>544229577Virtual doesn’t come into it. If you are a pedo, and you like viewing shit like that, you deserve death.
>>544232387I agree the tone matters a lot, but there is shit that gives uncomfortable tone vibes that I just do have to shrug at, it is fiction and it just ain't my cup of tea. I mean that's most of the Ryona category for me.I ain't the thought police, and we don't need a thought police. We need a police not wasting its time so it can be around when someone decides to do something irl.
>>544229577In fiction, all is permitted.Also the original was murder vs rape, nothing to do with children. Looks like someone is poisoning the well.
>>544229577woah a moral dilemma that only applies to gamers and not all media creation !
>>544232457I'd just bite the bullet too.
3. , why though
>>544229757This.There are enumerable circumstances where killing someone else is justified. Most people will disagree about exactly what those circumstances are, but most people would agree that those circumstances exist.No sane person thinks that fucking children is moral under any circumstance.>>544229577A much better argument would be the reaction towards violence vs booba. Can kill other humans in games rated G but if there's sex then suddenly it's rated for a mature audience.
>>544232572Got the nose right.>>544232512It's funny how often and easily lolis are the reddit filter. They can't help but virtue signal the instant a loli appears.Spank it to all the pixels you want. You start camping out by the playground, and it's getting chopped off, while Tyrone makes you his new wife in prison.
>>544232572>stop saying that statutory rape is rape!Interesting.
>>544232717>There are enumerable circumstances where killing someone else is justified. Most people will disagree about exactly what those circumstances are, but most people would agree that those circumstances exist.>No sane person thinks that fucking children is moral under any circumstance.Cool but... neither of those things occur in fictional media, because it's fictional media, so it does not actually happen.And no one in the media is checking to make sure you're meeting the circumstances for a "justified" killing. (Unless of course the basis of the game involves the criminality or justification of such actions such as if you were a detective.)
>>544232512>look, everyone, we ruined a perfectly good character and made a misery trap with female pedophile magic wands to harass the main characters!If that show didn't induce physical pain, you didn't notice what was happening.
>>544229577There is the Christian.There is the non-Christian (all non-Christians are anti-Christians).The non-Christian is: selfish, dishonest, lazy, cruel, impatient, greedy, jealous, pessimistic, cowardly, rude, ignorant, arrogant, irresponsible, manipulative, prejudiced, stubborn, aggressive, untrustworthy, inconsiderate, ungrateful, hypocritical, reckless, controlling, resentful, hostile, dishonorable, disloyal, callous, narrow-minded, deceitful, vengeful, insecure, apathetic, unreliable, entitled, intolerant, bitter, egotistical, impulsive, cynical, disrespectful, unmotivated, materialistic, uncooperative, secretive, foolish, neglectful, condescending, unprincipled, and destructive.The non-Christian is an old, obsolete human model, fated to be permanently wiped out.The Christian is: selfless, honest, hardworking, friendly, patient, generous, secure, optimistic, courageous, respectful, knowledgeable, responsible, sincere, impartial, adaptable, peaceful, trustworthy, considerate, grateful, authentic, cautious, empowering, forgiving, friendly, honorable, loyal, compassionate, understanding, truthful, merciful, confident, passionate, dependable, appreciative, tolerant, content, modest, deliberate, hopeful, courteous, driven, unpretentious, cooperative, transparent, wise, attentive, encouraging, moral, and constructive.The Christian is the New Human, fated to enjoy the Kingdom of Heaven for eternity.The non-Christian is everything that's wrong & wicked with the world.The Christian is everything that's right & good with the world.For now the wheat & weeds grow together until it is time for the harvest at the end of the age. The harvesters are instructed to first collect the weeds, tie them in bundles to be burned, and then gather the wheat into the barn. This is the fate of the world.
>>544233047>we ruined a perfectly good characterGood point to remind that FSN Ilya was technically 20, she aged weird due to being a homunculus, and she simply had her h-scenes and route cut despite them keeping a pretty implicit scene of her mounting Shirou tied up in a chair.Kuro kept FSN Ilya's personality.Honestly, seems like Prisma sometimes exposes secondaries or people who didn't pay much attention.
>>544230056No, the ruling in question comes down to the difference between CP and obscenity in federal law. They basically ruled (in this one state, not across the country) that AI-generated sexual content involving minors does not fall under the definition of CP, which is specifically real videos or images of that. There is, however, the broader legal category of obscenity, which potentially includes any sexual content involving minors whatsoever (computer-generated, drawings, writing, and so on). The mere possession of obscene material does not constitute a crime, as ruled by the Supreme Court, but transmitting it over the internet does, since there's a separate law for that which has not been ruled unconstitutional. So the judge was basically saying>if you generate it on your own computer and don't send it to anyone, that's just possession of potentially obscene material, and thus not a crime"Potentially" is important because, in practice, attempts to prosecute non-CP minor sexual content are frequently thrown out on 1A grounds, so the feds most of the time don't bother and it's de facto legal in most circumstances. This is why /b/ can have loli threads 24/7 without causing a problem, and why danbooru / pixiv / etc. aren't shut down or blocked in the US. The exceptions are when there are other aggravating circumstances (like getting caught with actual CP and also having records of you downloading loli hentai, in which case they'll throw charges at you for the latter to try and scare you into a plea deal), getting caught with it at airports (because ports of entry are their own weird legal twilight zone where constitutional rights don't apply in the same way), or if you happen to live in certain red states (where federal judges will sometimes just bulldoze ahead with attempts to prosecute despite their shaky 1A footing)
>>544232973>because it's fictional media, so it does not actually happen.Intellectually cowardly position. The whole point is to simulate the experience because you derive pleasure from it.>no one in the media is checking to make sure you're meeting the circumstances for a "justified" killingSaying the act is immoral is different from saying that it should be regulated. Games like GTA are fundamentally immoral but they shouldn't be regulated.
>>544232717>No sane person thinks that fucking children is moral under any circumstance.It’s called consent dude.
>>544229577What dilemma? Fiction is fiction.
>>544229768You'd end up killing most men period when feminists expanded pedophilia to include any two year age gap.First we kill feminists, ok?
>>544233226>noooo you aren't allowed to enjoy this type of fiction!
most of the time people talk about fucking "kids" they really mean "adolescent teenagers"
>>544233226>Intellectually cowardly position. The whole point is to simulate the experience because you derive pleasure from it.Fantasy is Fantasy, people have plenty of fantasies. Including violent and aggressive ones. Long as it stays fantasy, that's fine. People are human.The intellectually cowardly position is to oversimplify and try to prosecute thought crimes.>Saying the act is immoral is different from saying that it should be regulated.Then don't be a faggot and try to side with regulating thought crime, or at the least sound like you are.>>544233282I mean the people who wrote this think fiction like pronouns or identifying as something or a fursona makes you "really" that thing. It's kind of a big point of their existence that they cannot differentiate between fiction and reality.
>>544231456>The solution is that virtual murder is still a lust for violenceNo it fucking isn’t. It’s the competition that makes it fun. Nobody plays a game thinking about murder (At least most people aren’t).
>>544233466You are a degenerate.
>>544229577Some people deserve to be killed but no child deserves to be raped.
>>544233200They don't understand why I'm angry at them. They think I came from fucking reddit.WHERE THE FUCK IS ADULT ILYA'S GOOD END.
>>544233495You're a larp.
>>544233200>actually 20too young, actually 300 years old are much better
>>544233435Or, barring that, the character in question exibits no childlike traits in behavior. There are some weirdos who lean into those traits, but it's definitely a minority in the content.
>>544233458>or at the least sound like you are.It only "sounds like I am" because you're retarded.Fantasizing about grabbing a child a raping them or fantasizing about grabbing a gun, robbing a store and setting the clerk on fire after you already grabbed the money are both immoral.
>implying gamers wouldn't happily consume virtual kiddy sex
>>544229577virtual sex is not a videogame, its porn/thread
>>544229577I simply reject the premise
>>544233530It just wasn't to be for the VN, and the other media like their nebulous time bubble where the characters remain their most popular physical incarnations.>>544233576And Dizzy from Guilty Gear was like 3 when Ky hooked up with her. Sick fuck must've gotten his age guidelines from the talmud.
>>544230603>Pedophilia is extremely taboo and always has beenMemeflaggot has 0 story knowledge and talks because he can talk, what a surprise.
>>544233619Something can be more than one thing. There's plenty of porn games that are in fact both.
>>544233609See, you're still doing the psyop shit where you think we should care about pixels and fantasy.>>544233619>>544233698Things can be both. FSN started as a hentai VN.
>>544229577I think we all realize severe sexual immorality is more grievous than murder on some level, which is why you'd your daughter kill a person drunk driving than get a train run on her by a football team.Whether your explanation for this is materialistic or not (i.e. we're just hardwired to be that way), it's pretty hard to deny. Say what you want about Abrahamic religion but it's pretty clear-eyed on this. As Christianity fades in the West (and if Islam never gains prominence) we're just going to end up reverse-engineering some new explanation for the same morality, whether the new moral vocabulary used to justify the double standard is ostensibly secular/liberal or whatever.
>>544233846*you'd rather your daughter
>>544233495>If you even contemplate it in your mind,you have already commited sin.The same logic that condems all men to the label of rapists.Remember, the christkikes and their succesors,the feminists want you in chains.
>>544230603>>544233687Evolution of human culture over history. As we matured as civilizations, we more so embraced consent, including the idea that particularly young people just lack the maturity and experience to offer it.Or if you follow the talmud instead, you put 3-9 ON the table because the hymen isn't formed yet, so that when you sell her off later, the future groom will see the intact hymen and think she's a "virgin", thereby getting your family a bigger dowry.Some civilizations evolved their rules by morality, others by the monetization value of selling a bride.
>>544233495It’s not degenerate to play games for the purpose of winning instead of the more questionable reason of enjoying the virtual killing.
>>544233807>FSN started as a hentai VN.If you had told me 20 years ago that Fate/ would turn into a huge multimedia franchise I would have laughed in your face and memed Nasu's writing at you
>>544233903Etna sama...
>>544229577The need for consistency is not really how morality works. Murder is more acceptable because fictitious displays of violence is more culturally normalized than CP
>>544233846>>544233865No, I'd consider her killing someone with her stupidity to be infinitely worse than her humiliating herself with her stupidity.
>>544233935>as we matured as civilizations, we began to notice that some groups aren't humanFTFY.
>>544229577Children are both fuckable and murderable, and I ethically don't give a fuck.
>>544233943I mean...Games are media, just like other media. Sometimes you watch/play something hilariously gruesome and have fun with it. You don't watch movies exclusively "to win", the same is plenty true for games.
>>544233698>>544233807nah theyre shit "games". its porn
>>544229768>pedophiles complaining about lack of kid fucking in videogames.
>>544230128stop trying to justify fornication anon
>>544230782>If you jerk off to drawings of men, you’re gay.It's a hip new trend to draw a girl and call it a boy now, like it's also a trend to draw a girl with wide hips and a bratty attitude and call it a child.
>>544229577It’s quite simple. Virtual acts of murder are understood to be silly and exciting. Virtual acts of child rape are we understood to be grotesque and disgusting. The former harms no one while the later harms the player. Call it a soul or a psyche; whichever you’d prefer. But the damage is real.
>>544234272No i don’t watch movies because i enjoy killing. I watch them because i enjoy the right guys winning.It’s not torture porn that i watch. And most people aren’t either.
>>544234758>check thread>engage nogginAh. Yes. "No one."
>>544234916>oivey im actually doing this to help you
>Goy, did you ever hear about the jellybean dillemma?>We have this vomit and shit flavored jellybean, yet people do not want to eat it as much as strawmberry despite them having the same nutrient makeup?>Curious!It must be actual hell to ever interact with a journalist / ethicist.
>>544233935>as we matured as civilizationsLol, kys fucking retard, modern civilization is fucking gay and retarded, we are letting sub 60 iq niggers do an hostile take over without doing shit while we have useless foids in power and preaching fucking senseless gender/pronouns garbage, fucking kill yourself uneducated mutt
>>544231704use a smaller marker and something with more contrast from the background
>>544229577There is no dilemma for anyone who isn't a feminist.
>>544229577dilemma implies a bad choice. Being fine with all types of art is not a dilemma it should be your standard.https://web.archive.org/web/20241214040624/https://www.nogoldhere.com/post/danish-article-translation-sexology-clinic-cartoon-child-pornography-is-not-harmful
>>544229577>hey random guy playing gta, you HAVE TO fuck kids in your video game otherwise you're a hypocrite and no one likes that!Academia needs to be purged.
Answer:Child porn is the last powerful social taboo.A few decades in the past, sexual cheating and gay sex were, too,but are no longer.Government and intel agencies NEED a universal tool for extorsion,incrimination, blackmail, reputation destruction and imprisonment againstpeople.CP is the last universal weapon they have for that purpose.Therefore, and for no other reason, CP remains illegal and super-taboo.
>>544230056>Didn’t they just pass a law saying AI generated CP doesn’t count?No, just the opposite. Legislators have passed laws banning any sort of underage porn whether real or AI-generated or even drawn as cartoons. People get arrested and prosecuted for possession of that all the time.The only thing in the news recently was one trial-court judge who acquitted a defendant for it (pretty sure it was a bench trial). That doesn't change the laws as passed.The Supreme Court declared one such law unconstitutional a while back, like maybe 20 years or so, in a cartoon-porn case. IIRC it was over some Japanese manga books. Then Congress just re-passed the identical law with one clause tacked on saying "because interstate commerce". So far the "updated" law has not been successfully challenged all the way to SCOTUS. Given the current composition of SCOTUS, it's not clear that they would agree about the unconstitutionality of the law anyway.
how is this a fucking debate
>>544229577Total goymer manchild death
>>544230434>seek out my pedophile rabbino thanks
>>544230594We are entitled to it btw.
>>544236914Of course the child rapists in congress want drawings to be illegal.
>>544233171Fuck off jew worshipping snake.
>>544229946>>544232717/thread
>>544233592>can't argue with what he said>lashes out like a wounded jew and doubles down on his flawed argument
>>544229577gamers just need to take a shower and brush their teeth.
>>544229577Killing people in video games makes me cum. Thanks hypocrites
>>544229577>ethicistthats not a real thing.
>>544236320This is the right answer. Every moralfagging retard falling for this... deserves the destruction of their civilization.>>544230316>>544230468All virtual acts are permissible. Normgroids don't think in terms of "philosophical truths", so they don't accept this.
>>544236914>The Supreme Court declared one such law unconstitutional a while back, like maybe 20 years or so, in a cartoon-porn case. IIRC it was over some Japanese manga books. Then Congress just re-passed the identical law with one clause tacked on saying "because interstate commerce".This is Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition (which, to oversimplify, basically said "fictional minor sexual content is legal") and the subsequent PROTECT Act (which basically said "no it's not"). The problem is they contradict each other and this hasn't really been resolved; people have been both successfully prosecuted under the latter and acquitted under the former since then. But again, in practice it is de facto treated as legal except in certain aggravating circumstances and / or in certain more punitive state jurisdictions, which is why it's allowed on 4chan and a thousand other websites hosted or accessible in the US
>>544236320“CP” is a pedophile term by the way. It’s not “porn.” It’s child sexual abuse material. And it’s taboo because abusing children is evil. People who consume CSAM are irredeemable in my view.
>>544230782>If you jerk off to drawings of men, you’re gay.>If you jerk off to drawings of children, you’re a pedophile.jerk off to porn, you're a cuck
>>544229897Are Americans killing people everytime someone gets aroused?Are American males forced to wear chastity cages just in case they might accidentally get aroused?
>>544232717Depends on what's considered a child. In many primitive cultures around the planet, sex acts start at a young age and the world does nothing to interfere. Preteen pregnancy is common in such cultures and likewise the rest of the world does nothing about it. If you define child to be those who have yet to reach reproductive ability, that's going to mean some preteens are not children and thus it's ok to have sex with them. That's wildly inconsistent with the contemporary way of thinking in the west.
>>544238396>CSAMpedo jews and their semetic-semanticsChange the words to distort the data.
>>544229577It's a video game, nothing is or isn't "justified". As long as you are not retarted enough to think video games = real life, you're good.
>>544238511>the rest of the world does nothing about itthe rest of the world does nothing about murder and all kinds of other horrible shit happening everywhere, doesn't mean it's a good thing.
>>544229577>DilemmaOnly if you are retarded. Its not real so both are fine. Any game with sex is rated A and can't be sold in stores anyway. Its the exact same argument for loli shit.
Simulated fighting (up to and including killing) is largely used to create a gamified battle-like structure that allows a player to engage with the narrative and progress it forward. It is not an end in and of itself. Players are not celebrating the literal act of killing, they are celebrating winning over their enemies. Can a player be shooting people in a game because they are some kind of sick fuck playing out their genuine desires? Sure, but they are the exception. However, simulated sexual content in games is always entirely contrived and serves no purpose other than as an end in and of itself. There is no legitimate gamified structure with victory conditions that the "players" are engaging in to reach some non-sexual goal; It is solely about sexual arousal and gratification of some kind.
This all seems to boil down to (You) needing me to be consistent. Not my problem.
>>544229577Because killing is within the normal human experience. There are many good reasons to kill people. There are no good reasons to rape kids, and wanting to simulate it is indicative of severe mental illness which, even if somehow not acted upon, should be filtered from the gene pool at a matter of racial hygiene.
>>544238790The Dilemma refers to murder, not killing.Murder is always wrong.
>>544229577I do not have this dilemma. The "logic" fails at the first statement, I do not morally judge video games I just play what is fun. A game depicting a child being fucked would not be fun or arouse me, so I wouldn't buy it.
>>544229577Also, all the moralists in ITT seething about a theoretical virtual sex scene involving a 3d model of a child, which in fact hurts or involves no children, but are mute about or endorse the slaughter of REAL children by their politicians, most recently the 150 little girls in Iran and tens of thousands of them in GAZA.
>>544238845Murder is wrong is a tautology. Killing your enemies is normal. This should include people who try to harm you, are rude to you, deliberately inconvenience you, etc. The only reason these are considered murder is because we live under kike anarcho-tyranny where such individuals are allowed to operate with impunity against you, but you are punished severely for acting back, as part of your humiliation, slavery and genocide. It should be legal to kill them, kikes, and even you for making me roll my eyes at your pseud babble.
>>544229577Whatever nigger. Try not to think too much
>>544229577What about if you fucking AND murderingWhat kind of games you retards play anyway
>>544230159>not wanting to harm children in a game is a preference that most normal people would haveNot wanting to murder is also a preference most normal people haveDilemma stays
>>544238484Only if your wife is in itOtherwise you're just a peeping Tom, or Voyeur if you're feeling fancy
>>544238673>However, simulated sexual content in games is always entirely contrived and serves no purpose other than as an end in and of itself.Wrong. In Leisure Suit Larry you can't progress if you don't bang the chick
>>544239227You can raise the same argument about girls becoming women when they are able to get pregnant but that argument, just like yours, is bullshit. Dilemma not solved.
