Why are they so pro immigration?
Because their world view is religion-based rather than race-based
>>544236372why shouldnt religion trump race if you're supposedly a sincere believer?the pope is based for exposing so many american catholics as complete frauds who just use their religion insincerely to support their political ideology
>>544236372The Jesuits went to the New World and Asia literally to counter the Protestant Reformation, right?As long as hundreds of millions of people of color are following the Vatican, they don't care about Europe.
>>544236930the orthodox who are their cousins basically are full on ethnonationalist
The third-world is their "voter base"
>>544237160The Jesuits were also sent to Europe try to get certain regions to return to the faith which they had great success in, but it's mostly overshadowed by foreign ventures
corporate personage scams bring new currency into existence and are best hidden among waves of mass migration >lol
>>544237209Completely wrong. The Eastern Orthodox are if anything, even more pro-immigration pro-refugee than Catholics are. Their leader literally called refugees "angels"
>>544237579The good thing about Orthodoxy is that one doesn't really have to listen to this dude
>>544237579I suggest you google whether or not the EP has any say in what the patriarchate of moscow or the patriarchate of bulgaria, for example, do.
>>544237670So the EO have a whole bunch of pro-immigration leaders, as opposed to Catholics who have one big one? How is that any better?>>544237667The Pope hasn't spoken "infallibly" or whatever on immigration so I don't think Catholics have to listen to him either. But the point is leadership of all churches are wrong here.
>>544237998I mean technically no Christian would tell you to be a dick to refugees, I wouldn't either. Now it depends if that's implicit support for open borders or not.
>>544237998You will undoubtedly find similar soft spoken statements from many more patriarchs, but the fact is that Orthodoxy has never denounced the nation state nor the preservation of the people of said nation state. Furthermore, it will not and cannot until all patriarchates were to denounce it unanimously in a synod.And the shitlibs constantly harp on about it.Here's a little something from Romania, for example.>https://www.fairobserver.com/region/europe/romanian-orthodox-church-fascist-currents-far-right-europe-news-19181/
>>544237998you do realise you must also submit to the ordinary magisterium with all conviction and not just papal infallibility right? basic catholic church teaching is pro refugee and pro immigration
>>544238366Are you an immigrant?
>>544238433Nope. Finnish born and raised.
>>544237209>the nonwhites in brownland are pro-brownMany such cases
>>544238452Orthodox? Nice.
>>544238509Billions will be baptised.
>>544237209How do you come to such stupid conclusions? Did someone shit in your brain?
>>544238416>basic catholic church teaching is pro refugee and pro immigrationExactly. And basic Eastern Orthodox teaching is even more so, as I've already shown.I'm no expert on what is "required assent" in either church, but I see plenty of both Catholics and Orthodox disagree with the obvious pro-refugee rhetoric of their leaders.
>>544238584just the fact every orthodox country has their own self-governing church while still all in communion with each other.a lot better than having some woke romans tell me that I need to live among millions of africans in the White country I grew up in.
>>544238366>>544238781Orthodox "people" literally worship idols of men with the skin color of shit. Not a single Orthodox church has race-based admissions; they are all universalist. There is nothing "based" about your stupid desert cult. Abandon all Middle Eastern cults or you’re the enemy.
>>544238781Greek, Bulgaria, Serbia, Ukraine, and Russia all aren't white. Literally Hinduism.
>>544237209Christianity started when Jews like Paul of Tarsus stopped being ethnographic and became faith based letting the goyim in. The ethnonationalist version of Christianity is being a Zionist Jew.
>>544238902what is the alternative then
>>544238902>Orthodox "people" literally worship idols of men with the skin color of shitHave you considered that maybe they relate to shitskins because they themselves are shitskins?
>>544238749>basic Eastern Orthodox teaching is even more soYou still don't get it. The opinions of singular patriarchs are just that; just their opinions, not church dogma.The basic dogma about local Churches retaining their ethnicities goes all the way back to the book of acts and the council of Jerusalem: the decision was unanimously that Greek converts, for example, are not to start larping as jews, but remain Greek. And the same applies everywhere, and has for 2000 years and counting.
>>544238948Western esoteric tradition. Just understand that non-western European = ontologically evil and go from there.
>>544238781this site really generates the biggest subtards such as yourself. Everyone is a child of God (but the jews are the only ones trying to kill him constantly)
>>544238948Don't believe in retarded desert people cults.
>>544239011>brown brown yellow yellow brown brown yellow yellow brown brown yellow yellow brown brown yellow yellow brown brown yellow yellow brown brown yellow yellow brown brown yellow yellow brown brown yellow yellow brown brown yellow yellow brown brown yellow yellow Hmmmm
>>544239087World Orthodoxy in shambles. We'll never recover from this, bros.
>>544239128>Worrd Orthodoxy in shambres. We'rr never recover from this, bros.Ching chong bing bong
>>544239011>You still don't get it. The opinions of singular patriarchs are just that; just their opinions, not church dogma.Protestants and Catholics haven't changed their version of dogma on this either. Heck, even ultra-liberal churches like the Anglicans haven't. This is some of the worst and most pathetic mental gymnastics I've ever seen to try to convince yourself your church is somehow "different."
>>544239087You forgot black
>>544239074that's what your ancestors did though.are you alone against all of your German ancestors?
>>544239362I would rather be a nigger than a slav.
>>544238948There are no ancient traditions that are "White only". The concept of "Whites" is an importaint category isn't an ancient idea. Every race had it's own local Gods and religion. Odin was for a very specific type of Anglo-Saxon. Zeus was for Greeks. Yawhei was for Jews. Nazism was for Germans with the other White races being races that were put on the Earth to be ruled by Germans (that's why they had no issue plundering them). Than there were universalist religions like Christianity which would let any in.If you want a religion that is "All White people and only White people" that has not existed to my knowledge, maybe some obscure philosophical movement might have done it. You could invent it but it would have no basis in tradition.>Than how were White people ever united in the past?They weren't. They mainly went to war with each other.
>>544239262Then you don't understand how dogma operates in the different systems:In Catholicism, the final say is ultimately with the pope. "I am tradition" says the pope.In Protestantism, every individual has the final say. Right of private judgement.In Orthodoxy, it's on the entire council of patriarchs. So, on the contrary, since no such conciliar statement about the matter has been made.
>>544239489You aren't white and should go step in front of a train.
>>544237280thissame with ticket sales for musiciansgets them more $$$$$$$ and theyre selfish/dont care if their city/country gets more rapists/crimes because of itand they pretend they dont understand crime statistics even though they probably do know em already
>>544239544All we have are steppe horses.
>>544238948>>544239443Anyway this is ultimately a good thing.The point where these sorts of religions traditions are useful has long past.
>>544239620
>>544236372>Why are they so pro immigration?So you blame the Jews for the browning of Europe? How is that.
>>544236930as it should be
>>544239706>The point where these sorts of religions traditions are useful has long pastFrom what I can gather it was atheistic secular humanism in the 20th century which infected the Vatican and turned it into the woke force that wants to see the fall of White Europe and White Anglosphere.
>>544236372Huge mystery
>>544236372Hostages of Babylonian-Talmud Mongrel-Theist-Bigots?Or perpetrators of Babylonian-Talmud Mongrel-Theist-Bigotry?
>>544237667Technically you don't really need to listen to the Pope either. I'm not quite sure why the Western World seethes over every little thing the Pope says when it's usually over stuff being done by protestant nations like the US.
>>544240134It's of course true that catholics technically don't need to, but ever since vatican I that would just make said catholic a de facto protestant.The entire papal system rests on the authority of the pope in a very system specific and strict manner. Despite what tradcaths like to claim.
>>544236930Religious-Theological... Mongrel-Theism is both.Mongrel-Theism ignores the "Establishment-of-Religion" clause of the constitution.Just like the Mongrel-Theist ignores the borders, Ignores Immigration Law, Pimps Mix-a-can laboratory-experiments on stupid Goy... etc...These ZOG-Pimps are right out-of Sodom & Gemorah.
>>544240134Unfortunately the world is a mess right now, the current (American) Pope sort of sees his role as the counterweight to Trump, plus the Democratic party has plenty of Hispanics/Italians/Irish (Catholics), so he's automatically important there, it's very political. Myself I don't concern myself with this stuff, it's hard enough to be a good Christian/person anyway. My parish helps a village in Africa, I'm neutral about it. And then you have the various Christ - deniers who come to these threads and elsewhere to spill their poison, it's already enough!
>>544240009Secularism is a mode. It can be used for anything. So is religion. And the religious mode is the weaker one. It was stronger back when we didn't know very much and could appeal to some big spooky man in the sky. Today trying to make arguments about Abraham, Levinical Laws, Faith Healing or Sin from apples isn't going to win anyone over except the lowest IQ. Most people don't even know what that is utterly alien to how people live and think.And as I said Christianity has never been ethno-nationalist. It came into being as a rejection of the concept. So not only are you picking a weak mode of arguing (the religious) you are also using it try to argue for something it has never endorsed and was founded on rejecting.
>>544236372
>>544238902not quite, saints are replacement for old deities, like St. George slaying the serpent is clearly Perun, St. Elijah is referenced as thunderer(except in the new testament lol), Grandpa frost gives gifts to children ... just like St. Nicolas aka Santa
