genuinely who'd win
>>544237750I'm not even sure if modern day Africans be ancient Romans.
>>544237750>Africa has more gdpBut imo, europe take industrial production
>>544237750Germany had rockets, tanks, battleships, airplanes, uboats even back thenwhat the fuck does Africa have?Hitler would steamroll the entire continent even today
What's WW2 europes response to fighter jets, drones, accurate ballistic missiles etc? I mean if you're going to include Egypt a few other passable militaries you have to consider that
>>544237750Europe. North Africa would get a pretty solid alpha strike in due to the amount of modern tech they have (but not fantastic because retarded arab militaries), but without the ability to replace it they wouldn't actually win. Once they've used up all their modern tech, early-WW2-era Europe's massive military-industrial base just replaces it all, and then North Africa is helpless. Also by that point famine would be setting in across the African continent since they're a huge net food exporter and in this scenario we're assuming rest of the world isn't involved. Europe, in turn, would catch up technologically very fast after seeing the modern tech (which their civilizations made) and using it as a guide on where to focus their research. Plus of course Axis, Allies, & Comintern scientists all working and no sabotage efforts means a very fast nuclear program.The rest of Africa is irrelevant.
>>544237750How does the time travel happen? What is making Europe unite and fight a war against modern Africa? What are the victory conditions?
>>544238107>What's WW2 europes response to fighter jets, drones, accurate ballistic missiles etc? I mean if you're going to include Egypt a few other passable militaries you have to consider thatJust take the losses. Egypt, Algeria, and Morocco only have their existing stockpiles of missiles and such, once they use those, they're screwed. The number of aircraft and vehicles produced every year during WW2 vastly outstrips the North African stockpiles. They'd still end up with fewer casualties and losses than they took in actual WW2, most likely.
Modern Africa is destroying Europe, which I find interesting.
>>544238218>How does the time travel happen?
>>544237750It makes me sad every time I see posts like this. I wish Europeans back then had really been as evil as modern-day communists portray them—if only they could have sat down like adults and agreed, “All right, let’s all plunder Africa equally.”
>>544237750>modern africaAs if it's different than any other time in africa's history.
>>544237750We need more info on the wincon. If it is occupying the entire other continent Europe can’t make headway with pop difference and modern tech outranging 40s tech. Not even mentioning doctrinal differences and advancements like African use of paratroopers. Africa might be able to push through with human wave but defensible chokepoints in Gibraltar/Hellespont make this unfeasible to me and they don’t really have much of a navy to speak of beyond Coastal Defense ships. Realistic outcome is status quo ante bellum with maybe minor concession to Africa when both sides realize how retarded this is. It is more interesting if both sides are bloodlusted tbf. A reasonable ́wargoal’ would maybe be occupying Malta/Crete/med islands for x amount of time for Africa or occupying NA coast for Europe
>>544237750Does Germany continue on with their retarded Holocaust or can they use their Jewish scientists and engineers?
>>544237970>what the fuck does Africa have?Weapons purchased from the white man. Egypt has 1000s of Abrams tanks and jet fighters with precision bombs. Nothing WW2 era could penetrate an Abrams and jet fighters are untouchable by WW2 era planes. People have no idea how must modern weapons would lay waste to stuff from 80 years ago, even if operated by retarded sandniggers.
>>544238540>plunder africa equallyIsn’t this literally what happened a century before with the conference of berlin tho
>>544238771>Nothing WW2 era could penetrate an Abrams
>>544238771I guess maybe small arms are comparable but even among inf weps handheld rpgs would blast any ww2 era tank to smithereens>>544238898How are you getting gustav across the med tho
>>544238771>even if operated by retarded sandniggers.I think anyone but americans and the most liberal europeans think of arabs when they read or hear "Africa"
>>544238898I was being serious in my comment. You are not being serious.>>544238942Yes, Soviet RPGs would be very devastating to WW2 era tanks for sure. Egypt also has 1000s of TOW missiles as well.
>>544237750if this is done in a vacuum which is pure fantasy btwI am pretty positive that there would be a ton of sabotage on european side from environmentalist, jews, war profiteers, negrophiles and other faggots
>>544238965Arabs? North Africans aren't Arabs.
>>544238965Americans don't have to think of Arabs because spics like you are the ones trying to jump their border.
>>544239112chink or sandnigger?
>>544238998you were full of shit in your comment
>>544237750Africa collapses under its own niggerdom if they're not propped up by the west and China.
>>544239184No, I wasn't and that's why you didn't argue against it.
>>544238771also South Africa used to have nukes and has the capacity, albeit degraded, to make serviceable crude ones if it wanted to
>>544238825It was the establishment of spheres of influence; by no means was it a policy decision concerning Africa as a whole.Attempts to provide aid to Africa and “civilize” it backfired completely. The current population explosion in Brown’s Africa is nothing more than the result of clumsy attempts to transform Africa into something other than what it is today. The fact that the British Empire could not address German concerns in any way other than through a blockade was perhaps the greatest geopolitical catastrophe.
>>544239348>The current population explosion in Brown’s Africa is nothing more than the result of clumsy attempts to transform Africa into something other than what it is todayI think it has more to do with food gibs and Western medicine.
>>544239145You should have remained in Mexico, Pablo.
>>544239455You sound more like a chink than a sandnigger desu.
>>544239670Either way you're still a 5'5 beaner.
>>544237750Weapons alone dont win wars africa dont have the logistics or food to invade anyone. I'm more interested in what war crimes europe can commit without all the restrictions. I dont think Africa can even get into chemical warfare.
>>544239763That's a little tall for a beaner, and you're definitely a chink. Low asian verbal iq is recognizable.
>>544237750Modern Africa has 50-75 year old equipment and zero training or discipline. Literally all they have is savagery and and a general disregard for their own lives.Militarily, 1939 Europe would still stomp them handily. But 1939 Europe can't appreciate how much they need to all be eradicated. They'd be too soft on the civilian population and end up just like they are now. Full of retarded refugees, weekly skirmishes with militias or mitigating massacres of the ruling/colonial/peace+police forces. An eternal quagmire.Look at how lenient Hitler was with the jews.
>>544239840Hitler explicitly criticized the British Empire for caring about the welfare of indigenous peoples and relocating industries, and he believed that “the misery of the numerous inferior races is essential to maintaining the welfare budget for the numerically smaller superior race. ” In the long run, that’s probably true.
>>544240068>“the misery of the numerous inferior races is essential to maintaining the welfare budget for the numerically smaller superior race. ”This kind of reasoning is how we ended up importing millions of niggers. It's also completely and utterly false communist nonsense.
>>544240068where do you get this utter nonsense fromthats not what Hitler believed at all
>>544240175Hitler believed archaeology shouldn't be done in Germany because it was humiliating insofar as it revealed that Germans were living in mudhuts while swarthy non-Aryans were building the Parthenon and Pantheon.
>>544239840I know its le funny haha pol meme but youre chatting shit. You shouldnt underestimate them and the average nog nowadays has a standard of living of a euro in the 70s 80s. Burger showing ignorance
>>544237750africa can´t even govern itself , they eat bushmeat and enjoy cannibalism , can´t into crops sewage or building anything not out of mud and whatever the white man has left behind.even chimps have better societies.
>>544240287compared to ancient rome and greece, yeseveryone knows thats true, not a controversial statement
>>544240365>everyone knows thats trueBro, there is literally nothing that everyone knows is true, not even basic math. You have no idea how ignorant 50% of the population is, or maybe 80% desu. For example:https://x.com/MarioNawfal/status/2033119010485575949
>>544239805Didn't read, Pablo. Eat beans, kick rocks, whatever.
>>544240175“Hitler’s Table Talk.” Furthermore, in *Mein Kampf*, there are passages containing extensive reflections on racial issues in relation to the Habsburg Empire.“The existence of inferior races was one of the most important factors in the formation of advanced cultures, for it was precisely this that made up for the lack of technical tools without which high-level development would have been inconceivable. Undoubtedly, the earliest civilizations of mankind depended on the employment of humans who were inferior even to domesticated animals.”
>>544240292Agreed.Not to mention the fact they have white and white adjacent countries like South Africa, Algeria, and Egypt with powerful standing militaries
>>544240564>asian verbal iq intensifies
>>544240614you sound like a bot
>>544237750Europe wouldn't be able to stop the might of the Ghanaian Mechanized Infantry Corps.
>>544238164/Thread.
>>544238771>Nothing WW2 era could penetrate an AbramsAbrams are high maintenance. Egypt relies on resources it gets from elsewhere to actually maintain them. Not even speaking about ammunition.>jet fighters are untouchable by WW2 era planesThe logistical issues of the Abrams apply here as well. You could manage a series of strikes but eventually you would run out of ammunition. Air superiority would be a meme. Germany alone managed to build 10000 planes in 1939 and reached 40000 planes produced in 1944. Europe as a whole built over 30000 aircraft in 1939 and over 100000 in 1944. Egypt just like no other African nation has a standardized production line of aircraft. It doesn't matter if a single modern plane takes out 100 planes. An F16 can carry 10 missiles. If we consider the maingun as well then it would be around an additional 15 planes. So it would need several sorties anyway under ideal conditions to shoot down 25 planes.>People have no idea how must modern weapons would lay waste to stuff from 80 years agoYes for a while until they run out of ammunition.Addtionally there is not a single African country outside of Egypt, South Africa and Rwanda that has expeditionary warfare as part of its doctrine while also being able to deploy units at great distances. All the other countries are geared towards territorial defense or border skirmishes.The above countries would be unable to organize a campaign that would end up dwarfing Operation Barbarossa.No matter what else anyone comes up with, Africa would also face a severe famine after a few months without European gibs. Rushing down all of Europe in that time frame is simply impossible.
>>544240709>t.
>>544237750The africans would just show up naked and unarmed and just simply walk into germany, the german race would go extinct in a few decades because they have a matriarchy and refuse to control their women.The browns of the world have already figured out the easiest way to beat white people is through their women, because white men are natural cucks, simps and woman-respecters.
>>544240907>So it would need several sorties anyway under ideal conditions to shoot down 25 planes.100 planes
>>544240923yes, best not to use your words at all
>>544240961>t.
>>544237970Africa has uboats too. well sort of.
>>544239840Africa has old German stuff from WWII still, I have seen old MG42's in footage from there. STG-44's too! Modern Africa has a superior fighter force, of course, I believe they operate quite a few Tigersharks, which is a 1950's design, between them, and some newer French jets as well. Overall though Africa lacks long range bombing capability. A defensive air war could be waged over Europe, especially given that both the Allies and the Axis had made extensive use of radar including long-range radar, by the close of the war, given the odd fighter strike incursion.No the Europeans would have to put to their advantage, the seas. Africa's navies combined, are no match for Europe's combined submarine fleets. It would be relatively quick work to put everything they had into the briny deep. Then the battleships and aircraft carriers could begin work pounding radar sites, dealing with SAM sites, etc. and eventually turn the conflict into a strategic air campaign. High altitude carpet bombing of oil assets, ports, cities, military targets could commence and after some time, a land invasion could be arranged.Africa's lack of machine building and native war industry would assure that everything the Axis and Allies combined forces destroyed couldn't be replaced.>>544239840Are we including Egypt in Africa, and Morocco? These two significantly change the game. South Africa as well. If we exclude them it'd be an easy win even if it was just Italy doing it. Combined, it'd be a very dicey experience for a while but these places don't build their own stuff for the most part.
Okay so the only countries worth considering here really are the north african military states like Egypt and Algeria as well as South Africa. Egypt and Algeria do have very large modern arsenals, but they are foreign made and they lack the ability to upkeep them. South Africa on the other hand is rather unique due to its history of international isolation forcing them into developing a relatively robust domestic arms industry. Now of course this has been whittled down significantly since the fall of white rule, but the blueprints are still there, and they could also restart their nuclear ambitions at basically any point as well. Population is also an advantage and disadvantage here, sure they could field larger armies than Europe has ever seen, but what that also means is that logistics is gonna be a ridiculous headache, and it's no secret that Africa isn't exactly food secure outside of its southern tip and the north. Overall I think if they blitz Europe they could win or if South Africa made the bomb pretty early on, but otherwise attrition would eventually grind them down no matter how advanced they started off.
>>544238771Egypt's aircraft would have no way to strike at key European targets, they would at best be able to be used for defense or harassing Greece and Italy, but because Egypt also doesn't produce it's own aircraft, or munitions for that aircraft, or even have the industrial capacity to do so they would have a very limited window in which they could use these effectively, Europe would steamroll them, because unlike African countries Europe can sustain their war machine entirely under their own steam.
>>544242335Actually wait, I just realized, Egypt does have its own domestic drones program. They don't really need to fly sorties when they can just send waves of suicide drones to accomplish the same thing for way cheaper. I think Africa's got this ngl, even random jihadists in the Sahel have access to FPV drones nowadays, and we saw how badly those fucked up Russia's relatively modern tanks in Ukraine.
>>544242230>South Africa on the other hand is rather unique due to its history of international isolation forcing them into developing a relatively robust domestic arms industry. Now of course this has been whittled down significantly since the fall of white rule, but the blueprints are still there, and they could also restart their nuclear ambitions at basically any point as well.Ah yes, this would be something. But Europe, during WWII, had their own nuclear programs, the UK and Germany and even the Soviets were already tinkering with this too. Now whether or not you believe South Africa and Israel were behind the Vela incident, ie they were already there? That would decide the war, perhaps. But if they only had ONE bomb, it might not be enough.S. Africa also lacks the long range bombers to deliver such a bomb, currently. But I suppose they could fly up to say Morocco and deliver it after taking on fuel.>Overall I think if they blitz Europe they could win or if South Africa made the bomb pretty early on, but otherwise attrition would eventually grind them down no matter how advanced they started off.Yeah, Europe would have to focus everything on stopping any African sealift of forces. And maybe put everything they had into making the bomb too. Other advanced weapons like tv-guided air to ship missiles were already in use by the end of the war, throwing it all into Hitler's wunderwaffe you might just crush them quickly. Imagine endless streams of V2's flying toward every port and city, buzz bombs.If Africa managed to establish a toehold and supply and reinforce it they could win by sheer numbers. Perhaps attacking through the holy land as well.
>>544242008>Are we including Egypt in Africa, and Morocco?In my head I wasn't including North Africa in my post, when I think Africa I think negroid west-, and sub-saharan- Africa. Not arabs, Egyptians, berbers, Greek(ish) med-mutts, etc though they are part of the ethnic mix of the continent. But wildly different culturally, and even between one another.You make a good argument for European navies effectively disconnecting them from the rest of the world, practically immediately, but we're also assuming no one else joins the server.
>>544240614Table Talks should be considered apocrypha, not canon. Its provenance and accuracy are highly criticized by legitimate Hitler scholars.
>>544238771Abrams have less side armor than a panther buddy.
>>544237811Considering they can't even build bridges in this day and age, my money would be on the legions
>>544238348During a time of peace.Africans are also destroying America.During a time of peace.This is why war is the best outcome.No more foreign aid to them or welfare
I honestly don't even know if america could beat a *united* 1939 europe. Thats uk+germany+ussr and a lot of others. Now I get we have technology advantage but that is a true horde and german scientists would be intelligent enough to reverse engineer anything. They'd sure as fuck reverse engineer drones and assault wepaons fast. The jets and missiles and satellites would take a bit but they reverse engineer those too. At that point its game over.
>>544238626Africa would lose badly after their jets in North africa are out of munitions.Every african down would drop an AK. And any recovered tech would be quickly reverse engineered
>>544240941Yes the women are killing us.At this point I think we have to make clones.And ditch women entirely, women made themselves obsolete
>>5442441502026 America would lose to 1939 Europe
>>544237750Ancient sumerians could beat niggers
>>544237750kill niggers
>>544237750what country has a red field with an empty white circle for a flag?
>>544244561The Third Reich
>>544244826no, they had a swastika on their flag.
>>544237750Amazed it's not 90+ desu.. i guess egypt would be a problem, but if it's all of Europe they would be able to beat out egypt. Germany alone could probably beat the rest of Africa
>>544238107>fighter jets, drones, accurate ballistic missiles etc?You make it sound like the average African can maintain any of that. Without service agreements with the white man, they don't function.
>>544244930It got taken off for the poll
>>544240671>white adjacent countries>Algeria>Egypt...
>>544244506A tribe of apes or even chimps could beat niggers
>>544237750The smart africans voted 1939 Europe
>>544237750United 1939 Europe would be the strongest force in all of history.
>>544237750Ai sums it up A war between modern Africa and 1939 Europe plus the USSR would follow a predictable arc: Africa's technological edge—modern jets, drones, and precision missiles—would devastate Europe's infrastructure, air forces, and navies in the opening weeks, paralyzing the continent. But Africa cannot sustain high-intensity combat; its precision munitions, spare parts, and fuel are finite and imported, and it lacks the amphibious shipping to invade Europe in force. As African air power grounds itself and its forces hunker down defensively, 1939 Europe and the USSR—with vast manpower, distributed industry, and the ability to reverse-engineer captured technology—would begin mass-producing replacements and closing the gap. Within years, Europe's industrial depth would overwhelm Africa's exhausted, unsupplied expeditionary forces. The result is not conquest by either side, but a stalemate that slowly tilts against Africa: its technological window was too narrow to win, and Europe's greatest weapon was time.
>>544237970jews
What actually happens>90% of africa is completely undefended>Overwhelmed immediately>Some key european areas are bombed / invaded>They just rebuild>90% of europe intact, 90% of africa captured, immediate peace talksThis is what happens.>>544238898Literally any random bomber would do the job. No amount of armor does anything against 1,000 pound bombs.
>>544244150>Reverse engineerMore like capturing them + the factories to the point where they don't need to do this, 1939 mobilization was like nothing in the modern world and they would be able to strike first and take over everything with just infantry alone. They would realize their weapons are shit and just target armories.You really cannot stop millions of organized guys with rifles who just show up. If both sides were given adequate warning of course the technologically inferior side loses.
