Can we stop pretending that Catholicism is cool or based now?
>>544240728How does that work? the Catholics were good with capital punishment 50 years ago but not anymore? So much for an indefectible faith. God changed his mind and said he was wrong I guess
Real Catholicism calls for execution by bonfire.
>>544240728I’ll stay catholic and pray the vatican gets unfucked but maybe they should be more concerned with their priests engaging in pedo gooner firing squads instead of pushing modernist crap.
>>544240728this is the problem with catholics, they get all their programming from the pope then pass it down.
>>544240811as opposed to getting all their programming from trump and hegseth
>>544240811The only people you hear amplifying this message are excited atheist leftists, most catholics rolling their eyes at this non ex-cathedra shit.
>>544240728Archbishop needs to be excommunicated. The bible doesn't say "Thou shall not kill", that's a translation, it says not to commit "Ratsach" (רצח) which is unlawful killing or murder of innocents. The term for lawful execution is "Muwt" (מות) and it isn't banned at all and is in fact encouraged for several offenses.tl;dr we have God on our side and he does not.
>>544240728Yeah
>worships money>elects a non christian >blasphemes >whole society are gluttons>livestreams an execution>murders you to death with a gun over slight perceived threat>"im following the bible, protreting muh rites and the popes a commie, ya hear?!"American christians truly are a sight
>>544241118>redditspacing Tick tock, paki.
>>544240728Lets just hope he doesn't say>"May god strike me down"Anytime soon,
he's just fighting the jews!
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>>544240807no, you wont. papism isnt a flavor of ice cream. either no pope has ever been wrong about anything or
>>544240793JewsTikkun olamTurn values upsidedown
>>544240793Where does it say in the Bible that the institutions of man are perfect?
>>544240861>>544240811>>544241323Don't like it? Then complain about it with Rabbi Yeshua, since he appointed every Pope for all of eternity. Deal with it.
>>544240861
Catholicism has beautiful aesthetics and a glorious history of conquest and discoveryunfortunately, Vatican 2 is painfully obvious globohomo op.Tragedy of Catholicism is that it's main online representatives now are fat mincing groidper faggots wearing its corpse as a skinsuit
>>544241531tyndales response to more was comprehensive. papists starting using the words heirus and sacerdos merely 100 years after the apostles who carefully said presbyter or episcoper about clergy and only said heirus about all believers or the Old Testament priests
>>544241434If this is supposed to be a Christian defence of papism, you should really think about this.The Church is not a mere human institution, it is a theanthropic institution: Flip flopping like this should be impossible if the promises of the gates of hell never prevailing against it and the holy spirit guiding it to all truth are to be kept.Thus, either papism is untrue or Christianity as a whole is untrue.
>>544241706>If this is supposed to be a Christian defence of papismNo, it's pointing out that fedora tippers have very strong opinions about things they know nothing about. >The Church is not a mere human institutionIt has organs within it that openly disagree with one another, anon.
>>544240728Our courts are fucked up and our political climate changes on a whim. Giving the State the right to execute people is a bad idea with such an imperfect system.
death penalty is wrong, always. It's even worse if you fucking livestream it.
>>544241861The one organ that should not be in disagreement is the head, which in papism is the pope, with the picture in OP's post being a consequence of recent popes' stance on the death penalty making a U-turn in just a few decades. And no, Leo was not the first.This after almost two thousand years of it being seen as not only virtuous, but necessary. The pope during the counter reformation quite literally accused the anabaptists of heresy because the anabaptists suggested that the death penalty should not be practiced. And even before that the consensus of the Church fathers was always that the death penalty is biblical and virtuous.
>>544240728Friendly reminder, vatican ii created a subjugated church and they offered 0 justification for trying to change 2k years of Christian doctrine with 'because we say so'.>picrel, gpt deconstructs vatican IIYou can disregard anything they say until they rescind Vatican II and start executing pedophile priests with the Bugatti's old execution axe.
>>544242088>The one organ that should not be in disagreement is the headNo, retard. The organs disagree with the pope all of the time and have done so going back to when the church was founded. >recent popes' stance on the death penalty making a U-turn in just a few decadesAgain, nowhere in the Bible does it say that morality as enforced by man is perfect and thereby not subject to change.>This after almost two thousand years of it being seen as not only virtuous, but necessaryJP II, Benedict, Francis, and now Leo have all been against the state imposing death as a penalty, anon. That's almost 60 years. (inb4 you miss the point again and write some variation of "THE CHURCH IS OLD THOUGH!")
>>544242279>>544240728He should secure and release St Simon's body so it can be imaged for wounds.>picrel
>catholic is a traitorYou don’t say. More at 11 I’m guessing
>>544240728So they can shoot someone in a war; but they can't execute a murderous traitor?That's fucking retarded.
>>544240728Roman Catholicism was never cool or based.Only Christianity is cool and based.
>>544240993>Archbishop needs to be excommunicated. The bible doesn't say "Thou shall not kill", that's a translation, it says not to commit "Ratsach" (רצח) which is unlawful killing or murder of innocents. The term for lawful execution is "Muwt" (מות) and it isn't banned at all and is in fact encouraged for several offenses.Interesting, and good point. 1/2 the bible is "Whack this one, whack that one. Never enough body count for Lorraine" murders of people that go 1/2 a baby step off the reservation, and in any sane system would be forgiven and corrected and "forgettaboutit".I'm no bible scholar but seems even Jesus was offered many "off ramps" but insisted on leading his crew into a unwinnable "mob war" with every fucking one of the Five Families.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvftAgCiIfk
>>544242421This will be my last post because it is clear you do not understand some very basic things about Church dogma:God gave the commandment to put murderers to death to Noah.Thus the death penalty is a commandment from God.God in this case cannot be God the Father because no one has seen the Father and it is the Son who declared the will of the Father.Thus, not only was it a commandment from God, it was a commandment from the pre-incarnate Christ, meaning no argument from enlightenment humanist principles or pacifist Jesus can work to scrub it from Church dogma.
>>544242629>This will be my last postNot going to read the rest but I accept your concession.
>muh catholicsI'm quite sure they wont have any problem whatsoever getting a dozen military jews to pull the trigger to execute him
>>544242513every traitor in GOP and Dem Party who isn't a Kike is an Irish Catholic.Niggers aren't really traitors, they just Niggers.Catholics themselves are clearly tools of The Jew. If you can't see that I don't recommend college.But I'd like to see the Catholic wing of SCOTUS dive in from the top rope and declare this man a "POW".Sure maybe he "commit war crime" as out of uniform "spy", but US Govt was committing so many war crimes and he was trying to stop that.We we consider it OK for the Nazis to execute a Jew who was an "illegal combatant" out of uniform destroying the Zyklon-B that was about to gas Jews?
>>544240993Interesting distinction. Never thought of that before.
>>544242421>THE CHURCH IS OLD THOUGH!The Bible is old. The death penalty is prescribed to offenders of the old covenant. There is no protest of the death penalty in the New Testament. Even when early Christians were put to death by the Sanhedrin and the Romans there was no protest against the death penalty. Even Christbwho blessed Peter with the same knowledge he had as he walked as a man. That he was going to die by execution. Still nobody against the death penalty. And there's the dying thief, the repentant that learned he deserves it. Luke 23:39-41 (KJV) And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
Genesis literally says if you spill human blood you owe a blood debt to god.This isn't even the jewish nonsense part yet either.Jesus can only absolve the debt if the criminal seek repentance through Jesus. However, christianity specially says to follows the civil laws of the earthly kingdoms therefore we cannot interfere with this judgement until he specifically repents to jesus, otherwise our only duty is to mourn.
>lol
>>544240728>Can we stop pretending that Catholicism is cool or based now?can you provide a link? why not?why is there an 'archbishop of the u.s. military'? there are so many bishops of the u.s. military that they need their own supervisor?
>>544242805>There is no protest of the death penalty in the New Testament.John 8.
>>544243025John 8:44? Can you narrow it down.
>>544242825how does a brain like yours reconcile God telling the Israelites to slaughter edomites vs your understanding of the commandment not to murder?Do you just throw your hands up, "welp, can't figure that one out">kekJust help us understand
>>544240993What the fuck is that hebrew chicken scratch? I thought Christianity was supposed to be based?
Rabbi yeshua literally says "he who is without sin cast the first stone"Reminder christians are called to forgive and release him from capital punishment
>>544243078>narrow it downNot necessary.
>>544243155vagueposters deserve the death penalty.
>>544243193Read the chapter.
>>544243155They weren't allowed to hold their own executions. That's why John 8:6 John 8:6 (KJV) This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him.Tempt him to do what? Uphold the law of Moses and break Roman law so he could be hauled up to Golgotha that much sooner. It wasn't yet the time for that.
>>544240728Ah that explains the 50+ anti-catholic posts on /pol/. Fed botfarm running full tilt.
>>544243155That's why he put the charge on others. The same blackmail that they were trying to use on him. They all walked away and neither did Jesus accuse her. They didn't bring her there because she'd done something so heinous she must be put to death immediately and they all knew it. She was brought there to create a Kobayashi Maru for Jesus.
>>544243289no. paint a target on yourself by committing to which verse you think means what you claim. otherwise when we don't find it, you'll just say "read it more attentively". stupid trolling is stupid.
>>544240728what? no way, i'm sure they can find some singing megachurch priest who will
>>544243417It's John 8:7
>>544242011>It's even worse if you fucking livestream it.FOR FREE MY BITCHESI have no problem with the shooters being volunteers, and not assigned the job
>>544243303A woman who should have been put to death according to the law was set free. Furthermore, the chapter as a whole outlines how an institution that upholds teachings can still be faulty and not representative of God. The chapter shows Jesus changing the law and the supposed institution of the faith erring in spite of upholding the law. >>544243417>noThen don't bother (You)ing me.
>>544241531>Tragedy of Catholicism is that it's main online representatives now are fat mincing groidper faggots wearing its corpse as a skinsuitCradle Catholic, GenX.The Catholic Church is a large wooden chest, buried underground, underneath the basement of a large decrepit mansion that is tucked far, far away in an old, dying forest. Inside this chest one will find 2,000 years of the most glorious, precious, wondrous artwork, philosophy, theology, literature, music, architecture the world has ever produced. I did not find this treasure until I was in my 40's, I had to search for it. The current Church is doing absolutely nothing to share its treasure with the world, not even it's own laity. https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1789329195560844.webm
>>544243684what fag subculture are you from, you all use that cradle catholic shit, it's fucking hilarious. Like jeets saying timmy
>>544240793>How does that work? the Catholics were good with capital punishment 50 years ago but not anymore?>So much for an indefectible faith. God changed his mind and said he was wrong I guessCatholicism is a fucking top down political operation invented in the Middle Ages. It's woke because it's a political organization. Of course it came popular with Nick Fuentes faggots. It's a grift they can use to act catty at other Christians over. You know the ones who take the 10 Commandments seriously and aren't stupid enough to suggest a long line of child molesters sits in the seat of Peter.
>>544243757>what fag subculture are you from, you all use that cradle catholic shit, it's fucking hilariousIt means you were born into a Catholic family, baptised, and raised as a Catholic since childhood. That is what it means. Words mean things.
>>544243556The Sanhedrin wasn't allowed to hold their own religious executions under Roman occupation. The constrictions of Judaism were already being pilpuled by the Pharisees and old religious rules were preventing people from being able to do good deeds. They hadn't heard from God for centuries. It was time for something transformative to happen.Can you imagine Jesus stoning the bitch to death. It would really change the gospels, a lot.
>>544243829>It means you were born into a Catholic family, baptised, and raised as a Catholic since childhood.>That is what it means.>Words mean things.It just proves you're like trannies chasing some retarded trend. This is why no one likes you. It's 100 percent performative.
>>544240793>>544240807Christianity is nonsense. Christians necessarily believe that a middle easterner from 2000 years ago will reappear one day and bring billions of the dead back to life. There might be problems with other religions, but they don't believe anything as retarded as that.You're much better off worshipping Columbina. Buy a plushie in Akihabara and offer her a loaf of bread.
>>544243914There's a lot more to it than that and a lot more substance than what you're offering.
>>544243840>spergNone of that matters, anon.
>>5442438792,000 years 9s not a trend. The Truth is not a trend. The civilization you were raised in is not a trend (it's Catholic, whether you would like to admit it or not). Your worldview and moral belief system is not a trend (it's Catholic, whether you would like to admit it or not).
>>544243155Hou should still read to understand, not just to reply.
>>544244120Christcucks didn't invented the concepts of monarchy or civilization, retard.
>>544243402>create a Kobayashi Maru for JesusExcellent cultural reference. I commend you.
It's a meh issue. Weird fight for Petey to pickhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFye7wUdQh0&t=822s
I was raised in an are of America where Catholics were considered as creepy as jews.
That’s fine us atheists and agnostics sure the fuck can
>>544244301an ambush isn't kobayashi maru.
>>544240793>How does that work? the Catholics were good with capital punishment 50 years ago but not anymore?>So much for an indefectible faith. God changed his mind and said he was wrong I guessYou're just a fucking retard. The Church has not said that God changed his mind, nor has it said the death penalty was invalid in the past. It has said that changes in society have advanced us to the point where criminals can be humanely detained for life, something not possible until recently. It's like if the Church said "don't eat 7 day old uncured meat" but then guess what, we came up with fridges, so we can do that now. Circumstances changed, not underlying principles.
>>544244091The context doesn't matter? Just whatever abstract makes you feel nice? Abstract for this story is anti-dogma. It's dogmatic beliefs that can have people twisted into a pretzel. The Pharisees come with a requirement by invoking the law and the expectation is that if Jesus is the true zealot they think he is he'll go for it and then he'll be trapped. But, first he knows it's a trap and second Christ is a redeemer. In your life are there dogmas? Someone's ass you're supposed to kick who disrespected you or somebody you're supposed to throw bottles of rocks at because politics? Well, those dogmas can be used to control you so you hurt others. This is not a critique of the death penalty.
>>544244470OMG, I never said it was. I just chose a random screenshot from the movie.Good Lord you must be really bored.
>>544244546Actually they did, Benedict XVI specifically called out the change/disconnect.Stop soothing yourself with bullshit and confront reality.>post related>>544242279Help us understand what did with the story of Barabbas
>>544243488nah man, it should be the dishonest canadacuck.
>>544244365thumbnail looks like a cockroach.
>>544244614>The context doesn't matter?Irrelevant nonsense isn't context and you're deflecting away from the point instead off addressing it.
>>544244749Your verse is not a critique of the death penalty. It's a reference to second temple Judaism failing, the Pharisee's plot to kill Jesus, and in the abstract a lesson against dogma and a case for mercy.
>>544240728Cathocucks turn all the cheeks.
>>544240728Let me tell you a secret: there isn't any based variety of semitic spirituality.
>>544244853You said there's no protest of the death penalty in the bible. Jesus protests the death penalty being applied to a woman. You were wrong.
>>544243914>heathencuck is a degenerate porn-addicted pedophile loser freak who masturbates to Japanese cartoons and dollsOf course.Jesus rose from the dead, and that's a proven historical fact.Christianity is the true and correct religion.We will continue to spread it, and there's nothing you can do to stop it.Christianity is true.God is real.Demons are real.Hell is real.Heaven is real.Jesus is Lord.https://www.reasonablefaith.org/writings/scholarly-writingshttps://laurazpowell.org/blog/just-the-facts-maam-the-minimal-facts-argument-for-the-resurrection-of-jesus>The best explanation for the facts agreed upon by virtually every scholar of every religious persuasion and worldview who has studied the evidence is that Jesus actually rose from the dead. If someone wants to dispute this, they must deal with the evidence, including the criteria for historical reliability, and offer some reason why this explanation falls short or provide a better explanation for the facts.https://youtube.com/watch?v=12syh8dPOtohttps://youtube.com/watch?v=JzklRPDfAj0https://capturingchristianity.com/fact-fiction-resurrection-jesus-comprehensive-case/https://crossexamined.org/the-minimal-facts-of-the-resurrection/
>>544245022He gave them the go ahead, though. It kind of changes the message in the context that none of them were legally allowed by the Romans to carry out a religious execution, right? For him to protest it would be a protest of God's law and her crime is adultery. This is a religious execution that's been brought to him by a bunch of pilpulling Talmud worshippers for the purpose of snitching him off to the Romans. There is absolutely no justice in the Sanhedrin's kangaroo court that will frame him to be executed. IT ISN'T A CRITIQUE OF THE DEATH PENALTY ITSELF. But, we can be merciful too. We're merciful to a fault.
>>544240728Vatican II and it's Clergy are not Catholic
>>544245022Exodus 21:12–14 specifically shows that even back then there was a distinction between to murder and a simple 'kill'.You're trying to stack a nonsensical understanding of the commandment with a story about Jesus and a whore sentenced to death to be....... contrary?>kek
>>544244120>2,000 years 9s not a trend.The Catholic church didn't exist 2,000 years ago, further more, you know I'm talking about you online tradcath larpers. You're fucking obvious and pathetic with how un-Christian you are.
>>544240728Deus No Vult
>>544244546Popes don't sit in the seat of Peter, thus all their garbage is changed on a whim whenever your retarded bishop decides to. You may as well just elect them with popular vote at this point. it's a complete joke. The Reformation happened for a reason.
>>544244546>criminals can be humanely detained for life, something not possible until recentlyLmao 3 hots and a cot wasn't possible until now?
Jesuits seething in this thread. >>544245210
>>544240728It used to be. It's so caught up on the jewish version of the sermon on the mount it may never recover.And they're nearly all a bunch of Italian (literally homosexual) fags too afraid of hell to fuck ass so they shit up the religion by making it gay..
>>544240993>this niggas holy book is in hebrew
>>544245342>online tradcath larpersThat's not me. I am kind of sick of them too, half of them are "former" Protestants who just focus on everything wrong with the church, in order to "save" it. It gets really annoying after a while, because that is how they make money. Thy never have nice things to say about the Church, so you start to wonder if they want it destroyed. I'm not larping, I am what I am, like Popeye. How am I un-Christian?
>>544240728can't participate in firing squad but okay to bomb children in iran on behalf of jews. sweet logic
>>544240861Then those catholics need to speak up, just like the "good jews" and "good muslims". They all seem rather quiet.
>>544240728No, I will always see you burger as a bunch of goycattle with mutilated genital.
Precisely why the us army shouldn't have Catholics. They're all traitors in waiting.
>>544243556>should have been put to death according to the lawaccording to the law of moses, not according to the law of rome. Jesus is above the laws of rome, but, He says the same thing He says to everyone, "go and sin no more". a nation that doesnt execute adulteresses is unjust, wicked, and God will destroy them
>>544244120tyndales response to more is still comprehensive
New CS page, demon larper vs angle larper round 2
>>544245799good point
>>544243684
>>544240728Imagine abandoning the true church because it disagrees with your orange cult leader
