wouldn't simple signal jammers be enough to counter them? i don't see how drones would be immune to that
If you're so smart then jam them yourself
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>>544240733See that fiber optic cable? They can't be jammed.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber_optic_drone
>>544240798Hurricane guns.
>>544240798why cant they just use scissors to snip the wires????
>>544240733fly by wire, Eastern Ukraine looks like a cat found a WHOLE bunch of fishing line and started playing with it, it's fucking everywhere.
>>544240733fiber optics nigga, they still use radio controlled too because jamming 1500 km of front is actually impossible. they go >bzzzzzz>explode into a russian asshole
>>544240798this nigga knows. Soon there will be AI drones, unjammable because they're gathering the info themselves
>>544240853sure, but getting behind one to snip the fiber optic line isn't exactly easy if it's chasing you but they line roads with nets to catch them and they can get tangled in trees too. I suppose if you thought you had a chance to loop one around a big tree and then run off.. maybe? But you're probably too slow.
>>544240853>>544240873>>544240874>>544240878There is literally no way to stop them, watch the video.Apparently Hegseth disbanded the US army’s only FPV drone department after a month. These things will start killing Americans very soon.
>>544240733They didnt have jammers early part of the war, now there is a cable on a spool on the back of everyone of them
Nobody knows how effective these are, many of the videos you see show lone, possibly already injured people being executed. It seems like they must be amazingly effective but overall it's very difficult to tell. I have a feeling that the bigger longer-range flying bomb UAV types are more decisive in terms of the war efforts. And even the recon UAVs as well. These guys seem like more of a psychological weapon. I also have my doubts about their endurance with such a load. You're talking maybe, fifteen minutes of battery life.
>>544240798wtf, surely they can't go too far... right? long cables gotta be heavy
>>544240798>Fiber-optic drones make up an average of around 10% to 15% of the total number of drones along the Ukrainian front line.
>>544241060See >>544241137
>>544241066these fpv drones completely wreck infantry, mechanized or otherwise. in concert with artillery and mines they make advancing next to impossible. which is why the war is so stagnant
>>544241170man i seriously doubt they are that effective, for one thing the types useful against armor or equipment aren't going to be the kind you use against infantryoverall I suspect the smaller drones are less effective than the bigger ones, which are less effective than artillery and that's less effective than glide bombs, missiles, and rocket flamethrowers etcthe small ones are like man portable anti tank weapons, a purely defensive weapon
>>544241296the drones really are that effective. the glide bombs and missiles are used to try and dislodge entrenched drone teams. there's also drone vs drone warfare when opposing drone teams manage to get close enough together
>>544241091It has a spool that drops the line as it flies it can go hundreds of miles
>>544241091they got a range of about 6 miles I think
>>544240956There’s a way but not a will.
>>544241535Wrong goofy ass loony toon ass nigger. It has a spool of wire that it releases like a spider and an go hundreds of miles
>>544241581the spools are only about 15km long.
>>544241484Man I know it all seems that way and I'm not saying this doesn't happen, either. My contention is it probably isn't decisive. If anything this kind of drone shit probably created vast no man's lands where normal troops barely even go, and you have special operations teams working under cover of counter drone operations, doing the odd daring thing or whatever every once in a while. And that seems pretty badass. But mostly I bet they real casualties and losses of equipment are caused by artillery, missiles, larger flying bomb type drone strikes, etc.
>>544240798>>544240853 in eastern europe shitholes like ukraine and russia they just send you to die, there's nowhere to die and you don't even have enough bullets to shoot those things downif you're drafted, you're doomed to die as a peasant while the oligarch fucks and sucks pussy and lives like a lord
>>544241535A close up of one I saw showed a spool good for 35 km.
>>544241615you're right in the sense that tactical fpv drones cannot win the war at a stroke. creating that "no man's land" is their sole purpose, and they would not cause such destruction and terror if retarded commanders did not attempt to keep sending men into mine fields while under artillery fire and drone attacks. but they just keep sending them, and the drones keep blowing them up
>>544241615Are you aware of how simple minded you are? These are the realizations a 12-year-old boy has within 30 minutes of watching Telegram war channels. Grow up.
>>544240733Stupid things just flew over my house.
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>>544241711guess there can be some extended range spools but that would be heavier, requiring a heavier drone frame and probably flies a lot slower.But I highly doubt we got "hundreds of miles" on anything, that'd be a LOT of glass wire.
>>544241730kys you hateful nigger
>>544241581ukrainian forests are filled with fiber now lol it looks kinda based
>>544240956>Apparently Hegseth disbanded the US army’s only FPV drone department after a month.Too many nerds. Real he-man warriors will catch drones with their teeth
>>544241728You are absolutely fucking retarded Drones literally allow you to attack your enemy’s positions and assets remotely. In the Ukraine war, we’ve seen both sides smuggle drones into enemy territory and use it to attack sensitive military targets.If that isn’t a game changer then I don’t know what is.
>>544240766I WILL!
>>544241564Cant do this or our alien overlords will take us out
>>544241819we're talking about fpv drones, not long range drones used to attack actual critical infrastructure
>>544241819the day they really develop ai targeting its fucking over, they already use nvidia jetson chips with the shaheeds but those are the size of a car, im talking about the smaller ones
>>544240733>wouldn't simple signal jammers be enough to counter them? i don't see how drones would be immune to thatYeah, that's why they spool off giant threads of fiber optic wire behind them. Ukraine is littered with millions of miles of fiber optic.
>>544241789 Blow it out your ass. Let’s say I am wrong with 100mile range you are wrong with 6 mile range leaving 35Niggerunits anon correct
>>544241535Nigger my $400 dji mini, the smallest one, has 6km range.
Are there not yet AA guns specifically designed for shooting them down? Some kind of bird-shot cannons designed to track tiny airborne targets?
>>544241955the standard spools they used when they started using them were 10-15km they've been extending the range over timeI was just going off old info.I remember hearing something about the IDF needing to push Hezbollah back about 6 miles cause that was the range of their fiber optic drones
>>544241869No. I am talking about FPV drones. If used in large numbers and swarms, you could plausibly destroy an entire airbase’s aircraft
>>544240733this build fooled 80% of people with eyes in new jersey
>>544241992The weapon you actually need are explosive bullets and guess what
>>544242027apparently the Ukrainians are already using drones that when they get within about 1000m of a target, the operator locks a target and then AI in the drone takes over, so they lose communication but it doesn't matter, the Computer Vision AI model in the drone flies the rest of the way and detonates, and they do it in drone swarms. The ones they're flying into Russia are like that so they can't be jammed.It's hunter killer Terminator shit.
>>544241992russians are using tanks built in the 60s, i dont think they have the capability to deploy newly developed weapons on a 1500 km sized front
>>544242110I'm actually wondering what they have left for modern tanks. I've seen a lot less T90 and T80 kills in the past year or so than at the start.
>>544241728I still think it's overall, not as scary as it looks.>>544241730What's the problem, sweatie? The real fun starts when these go fully autonomous, for now it's more of a PR stunt or terror weapon than a huge game changer. I'm sure it's being experimented with even now, even in Ukraine.Have the little things on orbit, an area denal weapon where if they don't find a target they can fly back to a little charging station. It'll be just like in my video games. Until then I'm moderately impressed but I had a RC helicopter ages ago, these are that plus a camera and a bomb, basically.
>>544242092I have trained hawks to take them down.
>>544240733Fiber cable moron, Glass fiber cable. The whole battlefield is laced with them.
>>544242103Loitering munition drones, yes.Russia used them first and then Ukraine copied them. They either use AI or a “pixel-lock” system where the operator can literally “click” to where he wants to drone to go.https://defensemirror.com/news/40140/Russia_Develops_AI_Target_Locking_Drone_Tech_Resistant_to_Electronic_Warfare
The drone attack from the trucks was pretty bold stuff but that only really worked once right? I mean so far as I know.Drone warfare in general is a big game changer, sure, but my contention is that the small and mid-sized cheap flying bomb types are much more effective and devestating than the FPV kind, even if the flying bomb types are mostly suitable only for attacking fixed targets or stationary equipment. I know both sides have more expensive anti-material type drones too and I'm sure these are useful but even so, the replacement of the cruise missile with the flying lawn mower dorito chip drones was the real tech advance we saw in the last 5+ years. Dollar for dollar anyway. Russia also has some incredible new missiles they have been using a lot and improving over time, no doubt. But nope it's the Shahed and family that's the real winner of these wars.
>>544242330>Russia used them first and then Ukraine copied them.par the course. Russia also started using fIber optic drones first because the combined intelligence network of the west kept cracking and jamming the frequencies they used for their drones. I don't like Russia, but I can't help but have a grudging respect for ruski ingenuity.
>>544241892>the day they really develop ai targeting its fucking overShaheds/Gerans use GPS to reach their target, but the US made LUCAS drones use AI to match video feed to encrypted topographic maps. We're inching closer to the drones autonomously matching pictures of people's faces before diving.
>>544242375>But nope it's the Shahed and family that's the real winner of these wars.It doesn't matter if it's a shahed with a 100lb payload or an FPV drone with a grenade, the key takeaway from the Iran war and the Ukraine war is the word "saturation". Overwhelming the enemy with cheap guided munitions and hopefully bankrupting them in the process of defending themselves is the future. Even the US isn't prepared for these tactics and the stockpile of patriot missiles is dangerously low as a result.
>>544240853I am sure the TCC would be more than happy to send you into no-man’s land with a lair of scissors to test this hypothesis. Report back to us.
>>544241992It is weird isn't it? Some shotgun contraption with a camera and AI recognition of drones should have been fielded on every vehicle by now but there's nothing.Tanks should look like 40k Baneblades with all the guns and turrets sticking out of them to shoot down drones.
aren't they now preseeded a list of coordinates and it makes a independent decision on which one? basically immune to being jammed and already being done by ukraine and iran
>>544241296>man i seriously doubt they are that effectiveThey replaced artillery and mortars as the number one killer on the battlefield. Something like 70-80% of the casualties on either side is caused by a drone now.
>>544240878Right now every state military bans the use of autonomous weapons, except for mines. One day they're going to classify these drones as "air mines" which will allow for the production of these weapons as a loophole.
>>544240733they have cables, retard. you cant jam these. you can see the fiver optics cable hanging :3
>>544243960A radar-guided gatling gun that fires something like .410 shells, 9mm, or even .22lr could work.
>>544244025They are starting to replace mines for area denial too. They just camp out at a road junction.
>>544240733Nah jammers are like beacons and ghey get targeted by fiber optic drones that cannot be jammed then they spam rc drones. No reliable solution exists and the murder fields continue until the next technological leap.
A recent report from Pokrovsk said the safest time to move is twilight because the cameras lose sensitivity. Main routes seemed to have a man every few hundred meters to signal if a drone had been around.
>>544240956>wrong ammo type>is on a moving truck completely obliterating any chance of aiming properlyYou're a retard take your meds.
>>544243960Correct drone warfare is incredibly fake and gay a passing fad before we go back to supersonic weaponry.
>>544241819Post your hand, don't use photoshop this time.
>>544240733No, not just jam, you would need to EMP them since the autonomous ones are not necessarily receiving any wireless instructions, they are making decisions based on their internal sensory data specifically to bypass jamming attempts.
What about high neutron flux?
>>544240733Give it a few tens of thousands of years monke perhaps then you'll possess the capacity to understand.
>>544240853good luck finding the correct one.
>>544240733Any modern drone uses frequency hopping, even the civilian ones, so if you jam one frequency it just automatically moves to another one. You need a jammer powerful enough to jam every frequency at the same time and a jammer like that is simply too big to deploy near the front line.
>>544240956why is the fuck is this retard using a close range shotgun and not some full auto rifle lol
>>544245690>You will live to see manmade horrors beyond your comprehension
>>544246579Even when all signals are jammed, they can still operate in blind / disconnected mode. They continue on their mission as best they can, relying on pre-programmed fallback instructions. Perhaps to exfiltrate the area,or suicide bomb target's most likely location based on calculated projections.
