How the Germans could have won WW2?
They should have never started it
>>544274217They should not newer try capture Leningrad...we Finns saw that as major flaw.....if Germany would have simple bombarding it to pieces and killed all they would have reached ruins of Moscow by no time.
Unironically, they were so evil and hateful and supremacist that it made them do the most retarded shit, like thinking they could take on Russia just because their ideology said Slavs were subhuman.
>>544274264https://x.com/ShounakSinhaRay/status/2109156016533500286This russian flag that spams "Hitler bad" is actually a jeet. Look at the twitter. LMAO
>>544274423Fuck off, obsessed pidaras
>>544274403>ashkenazi claws typed this
>>544274442>insta replyLMAOJEET MAD JEET MAD JEET MAD JEET MAD JEET MAD JEET MADDon't worry i will keep spamming your twitter every day.
Finish the first front before opening a second.
>>544274460Nope.
>>544274217By not evading Poland?Just attack Russia from day 1.?
>>544274217by being as ruthlessly violent as the (((brits))) werehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-mAzcLRxlc
>>544274488jeets love nazis, the fuck are you on about?
>>544274217not attacking Russia. Hitler believed Ussr wanted to invade Europe. They should have waited for that to happen. Then they would have gotten help from the Allies.
>>544274217Not invading RussiaBuilding strong relations with the US pre war so the Americans wouldn't want to fight in Europe
>>544274217Treat it as an actual world war instead of a local turf war. Japan starts sinking ships that are sending US lend-lease stuff to the USSR, USSR collapses.
They shouldn't have done Directive 45 because it split their combat power and it overstretched their already strained supply lines
>>544274217by not invading russia and not allying with japan
>>544274264France and England started it though
>>544274264Fpbp
>>544274217By not attacking the West. The commies were everybody's enemy. They were screaming from the rooftops that they were going to destroy the "imperialist" countries, take them over and kill entire classes of people. If the Nazis would have been less retarded, they would have attacked only them, instead of making an alliance with them. They would have been heroes in history and would have saved half the world from losing 3 generations to communism.
>>544274217Asking all anti-bolshevik countries to join them willingly, instead of joining the Bolsheviks to attack anti-Bolshevik countries.Just a thought.
>>544274217only real chance was to not declare war on the US in December 1941 and to press Tokyo to keep the threat of an eastern attack a possibility so that Stalin could not send Siberian reinforcements to the west. Then take Moscow and negotiate an end to the war. But it was a long shot and Hitler was too much of a sperg to pull it off.
>>544274217I think that Hitler's anglophilia and excessive tenderness towards Churchills jewish controlled ass was literally his major first flaw resulting in all of the other flaws.Germany should have left Stalin alone and concentrate first in neutralizing Britain, before they could push the USA into them joining the war against Axis. Americans' opinion thanks to the very considerable german descendant population was quite divided when it came to the war. After neutralizing Britain like it did to other countries, and maybe even getting support from the USA, there would be the eastern front to concentrate in, which was Germany's greatest opponent in WW2. Russia alone would not have ultimately been able to hold against the axis powers combined.But at last, the antichrist needs to come, therefore the jews need to get power to rebuild the third temple in Jerusalem, so that they keep worship their satanic messiah. Then the true End and Victory will come my brethren, in the clouds we will see Him, the true Prince of Glory. Victory for all eternity.
>>544274652>not attacking Russia.good start>Hitler believed Ussr wanted to invade Europe.hard to tellevidence was planted, destroyed if that was the caseevidence never existed if it wasnt the casebut evidence doesn't exist now, in both cases>They should have waited for that to happen.wouldve possibly led to a few more favorable military outcomes, that could buttefly-effect themselves into decisive>Then they would have gotten help from the Allies.as if they actually cared who the agressor wasits doubtful, the allies wouldve just let them beat each other over, or even still support the sovietsnow, you see
>>544274217They should have prioritized operation Sea Lion.
>>544274217Socialists always lose at war, so nothing
>>544274217>stops after Sudetenland grab>vassalize Czech, Hungary, allies with Poland, Romania,Yugoslavia (it gets no coup), Italy>research nuke while preparing for Soviets, deterrent should be enough as Stalin was very cautious>remove communism with nukes, be world heropolitical fantasy as all sides sponsored by Wall Street
>>544274423I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case. I miss the days when JIDF was the most we had to worry about here
>>544274217Easy, don't bait England and France into the war. Just go for Liebensraum to the east then activate Operation Barbarosa and betray Moscow. Use the breathing room and confusion to keep the rest of Europe off your back and somehow placate America. My guess would be by trying to get the US into something like Lend-Lease.
>>544274652>not attacking Russia. Hitler believed Ussr wanted to invade Europe. They should have waited for that to happen. Then they would have gotten help from the Allies.The issue is that the UK and France would have just not done anything while Germany and the USSR weakened one another. Hitler was the only leader who saw what a threat the Communists really were. Also if he had waited than the USSR would start with the initiative in the war which is never a good thing to let your opponent have, especially one as big as the USSR which had a lot of territory to fall back on
>>544277391>but evidence doesn't exist now, in both casesTrue, but there is a lot of really good cases that it was going to happen whether Hitler wanted it or not https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icebreaker_(non-fiction_book)
>>544277391i personally think his biggest mistake was, if i can take it at face value that it is true, political commisars and other political personnel of the soviet army were to be executed immediatelyapparently, the reasoning is, hitler feared they could influence soldiers and prisonersbut in the end, all he did was make these commissars work extra hardthats pretty dumb, and many from the OKW criticized itthat is, if it is, in fact, facthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commissar_Order
>>544274264it was WORLD war each time BRITAIN entered, dumbass. Shame you don't know shit about history except what the jews fed to you. I bet you didn't know britain started the first war just to take palestine from random people for the 1 percenter
>>544278097WW I was started by germany as well
By not killing Stresser, going more Nazbol and making a lasting alliance with the USSR since that was the only viable source of energy. Stalin got ride of heeb influence lime Trotsky and was practicing fascism more than anything, and was starting to pick up on who actually runs the western banks. They should have aligned on this, a "no usury" alliance, don't tell me it's not possible to bend your ideology to get shit done. Look at how UK and US is hellbent on preventing Russia Germany synergy to this day (Nord stream).
>>544276859>Germany should have left Stalin alone and concentrate first in neutralizing Britain, before they could push the USA into them joining the war against Axis. Americans' opinion thanks to the very considerable german descendant population was quite divided when it came to the war.> and maybe even getting support from the USA, You are seriously delusional people, bordering on having psychosis to be this delusional. America was founded by British people - there is no timeline where America ever allies itself with Germany over France and Britain the 2 most imporant countries in US history. That world will never exist. The public polling data from before Germany declared war on the US in unequivocal in supporting Britain materially and militarily, and if the situation was that Britain was losing 70% said they'd support joining. The only reason the other polling on joining the war was low is that you weren't winning against Britain, so it was effectively a moot point.
>>544278176WW1 was premeditated by central bankers, see Warburg family, they weaponized money on both sides to amp up military spending and sacrificed good men on a massive scale in exchange for more assets and power, that's what all wars ever are. Liquidating the lives of middle class or it's equivalent, burning them like fuel to propel greed of the few further. Everything else is mumbo jumbo designed to make these men go into war willingy. >>544278176
>>544274217Focus on a non aggression pact with the US.
>>544274217Have oil deposits, they winIt's that simple reallyBut they didn't (and don't)
>>544278537Not possible, you were already a FED thrall at this point, same with the bank of city of London.
>>544278035i dont think we'll ever knowand i think its more important to realize that now than to know what actually happened>>544278073and second-biggest mistake was (gravely) underestimating the logistical component of soviet russiamost didnt even know russia had a different train gaugeso the soviets blew up their locomotives, and the germans couldnt use the tracksand, otherwise, you only have dirt roads, where panzers get stuck in mud and snowgreat going, fritzit was 1941, there was no google street viewpeople "did not know" things
>>544274217Deal with the soviet union to crush USA.
>>544274264FPBP
never left
>Have Göring do his job better and stockpile a LOT more fuel before the war>Don't bother bombing British cities, just concentrate on industry and military facilities>Don't overcomplicate your tanks, quantity will win the war not quality, a tank in the repair shop is a tank that cant fight>concentrate on southern USSR during Barbarossa to take the Soviet food and fuel right awayOr>if the invasion of the USSR happens the same way, don't split army group south, ensure Stalingrad is fully taken swiftly and ensure the flanks are secure before pushing into the southern oil fieldsBut ultimately the outcome would probably still be the same. It was Germany vs the world
>>544274264good thing we didn't start it. Judea did.
>>544275848France and England also prolonged the war. Hitler tried to end the war in 1939.
>>544274264HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
>>544274652>Then they would have gotten help from the Allies.The Allies main goal was to destroy Germany
>>544274217A) Not ransom Baron Rothschild back. Use him as a personal torture tool for any British aggression. You drop a bomb we send you his balls back.B) Don't hold back at Dunkirk. No stand downs, simply over run and capture the British army. Use the 250k prisoners as a means of fully deterring English strikes.C) Let Italy fail. No need to delay your major invasion by weeks to assist them.D) Invade earlier, and have a full logistical train to fight throughout the harsh winterE) Go in with twice as many aircraft, 50% more troops and tanks thanks to having brought England to heel with POW hostages.F) If England sends money or material to Russia, POWs dieG) Finally and most importantly, do NOT waste resources keeping millions of jews in death camps. Just go full cambodia on them and be done with it.H) Oh yeah, almost forgot, remember all that nerve gas they had? USE IT.
>>544280122The allies had pro-German governments like Chamberlain until these governments became increasingly unpopular with their own peoples.Should the USSR attack Europe, the same masses that gave the middle finger to Chamberlain would have given the middle finger to Churchill.
>>544274217peaced out england in 1940 after crushing dunkirk. build up continental europe then ally with the UK and US against the soviets.
>>544278309are you that uninformed, bong? once Churchill's head would be on a spike, Britain would be no different than France, just another nazi puppet. Americans being 40% germanic would in great part be favorable to supporting Germany and Nazi-controlled Britain against godless communist efforts. You just needed to remove jewish propaganda machine instigating war against the saints.
>>544280268I personally don't think the capture of the British at Dunkirk would have changed anything. Churchill basically said he was willing to sacrifice the entire British nation before negotiation let alone surrender. If anything it would have made him more resolute and psychotic.
>>544280474And Russia would still win. As deranged as Americans are, even they pulled out of Vietnam as they know deep inside how retarded globalist McCarthyism is
>>544279951>>Have Göring do his job better and stockpile a LOT more fuel before the waroverreliance on fuel was the issue>>Don't bother bombing British cities, just concentrate on industry and military facilitiesdo you have a map of them?>>Don't overcomplicate your tanks, quantity will win the war not quality, a tank in the repair shop is a tank that cant fightyes, german autism always shines through in these thingsthe most successful german tank was the panzer IV, not the panther, not the tigerease of repair, abundance of spare parts, optimal price/performance wins out against big, superior and overoptimized>>concentrate on southern USSR during Barbarossa to take the Soviet food and fuel right awayno idea, but sounds better than spearheading for the big cities, at least in hindsight
>>544274217Oh, perhaps...don't invade the Soviet Union?
>>544280511See every other time a British field army was captured. England will go full mass murder and concentration camps on enemies UNTIL the enemy can achieve reciprocity. At that point suddenly they back the hell off. And its worked dozens of times in history. Never let them go, and use them as hostages to keep England out of the war until Russia is done. Without the western front and the battle of Britian, Germany has a full nother field army and twice as many planes.Churchill can say what he wants, but without an army and with that army being literally butchered for every attack, England will quickly see discontent and internal revolts. And the Rothschilds wont do shit if Baron Rothschild is carved up for every incident. So the jewish empire can be fully kept OUT of the war just by NOT letting Rothschild and thee British army go free.
>>544280474Notice how you had to select a question that I never stated which also doesn't involve Britain. The US wanted to maternally support Britain and increasingly so.https://teachingamericanhistory.org/document/gallup-polls-january-1940-january-1941/Learn to cope loser. There is no timeline where the US allies itself with Germany. You're wayyyy down that list even below Russia and Poland.
>>544274217It's very difficult, but I suggest the following.>Greater focus on submarines and mine-laying from the outset>Hit Dunkirk full force>Don't divert planes from attacking UK aircraft industry and airfields to revenge bomb random citiesThis doesn't mean Sealion (land invasion) would succeed, but winning the air war would be feasible and may render it unnecessary.Then basically end the war, before it even has a chance to escalate much, and build up forces against the Soviets in a defensive posture instead of invading them.With this you can also demonstrate that the split of Poland was a necessary first step to fight the communists, which likely would attack by 1943 or so. A fair amount of time to bring the "Allies" to your side, compromising in other areas as necesary, like liberating France as long as they fight for the Axis powers.
>>544280712that could even be, but let's say that Russia did 80% of the work in WW2 and Britain and USA did like 10%. This 10% difference would not only be 10% because the neutralized and captured armies/ technology/supplies/informations would be used against Russia, meaning it would be a signifcant extra advantage to a war that was already quite close between USSR and Germany
>>544274217>couldthey never could lmao
>>544280995What are the yellow states (or state; can't even make out whether it's 1 or 2)? That's the real America.
>>544280995> America is German - here is my fake map that proves it.Do learn to to cope with reality Hans. You have no colonies or nations outside of Germany and Austria, you only have German diaspora guest workers living in countries which they have zero control over. There isn't a single US state you're a voting majority in. There is no timeline past or future where America is German or ever allies itself with Germany against us - perhaps you should have created some nations outside of Europe if you wanted that.
>>544279425>>544275869Shit post
>>544274403Coming from the people who thought Japanese were shit pilots because slant eyes can't into flying lmao.
There's another, less popular, way to win WW2:>shift National Socialism a little further left and ally with the SovietsBut this gives you a real alternate history scenario.Hitler and Stalin weren't on the best of terms by any means, but Germany had enough the Soviets wanted that they would have been accomodating, and the Soviets wouldn't have minded creating a German oblast or whatever - no problem at all.Could still have holocausted a bit, too, since the Soviets didn't like jewy jews either. Just gotta leave the commie jews alone (who, like all proper communists, were apostates anyway).
>>544274217Kill jews and angloids instead of whites
>>544274264fpbp, watch how every wehrmachtboo starts fuming at the truth
>>544274217That boy got raped by Russian babushkas
fully commit to taking out the UK first.brits lobbied to once again involve the U.S. into a war. without american dollars the soviets cant rebuild>>544281747the soviets left china alone during the jap invasion. even encouraged it as to treat china like a buffer zone. they were shitty allies
>>544274460jews hate Slavs too.
>>544281747You don't need to shift it to the left, he would only ever need to completely ignore USSR internal affairs, send Rosenberg back to where he came from, and that is literally it.Franco was a right winger, more right wing than Hitler, but had no issue making deals with Cuba
maybe if they killed a few more tens of millions of white people
>>544282058they were pragmatic if anything, and were earning a lot from selling raw goods to germany which germany very much needed.but like today just like then, the german is retarded and refuses to get raw goods from russia, thus ruining their own future in the process.
>>544282138and this, hitler was an ideological fanatic, /pol/ doesnt understand this cause they too are ideological fanatics, or what we call idealists.real leaders can set differences aside to maximize gains for their nations, hitler was incapable of that much like churchill.
>>544282058First of all: China was in a state of civil war which significantly complicated the matter.Second: To face the German invasion the Soviets had to withdraw their eastern troops - which would have invited Japan to attack them from the other side. Because of this they made a non-aggression pact with Japan, which had stipulations for Soviet actions in China.Right, let's consider this seperately too:>the Soviets were fucking desperate at times and low on material themselvesWhat aid do you expect them to send while German troops ravage half their populated territory?I think there were general stipulations for joining the Allies, too, who nominally supported the Chinese Republicans, after all, not Mao.And it's not like the Soviets would have needed to help Germany much - how would they? Hitler wanted territory or Lebensraum and so on, to make Germany a Greater Power, and knock the other Great Powers (Britain and France) down a notch. Providing land and ressources would have been largely sufficient, in return for technology and so on. German-Soviet cooperation already followed those lines during the interwar period.
>>544282058>the soviets left china alone during the jap invasion. even encouraged it as to treat china like a buffer zone. they were shitty alliesThat is not really true though, if for no other reason because they lost against them in 1905.Funny enough, it was Chiang Kai Shek that was trained by the Red Army while Mao built his army mostly independently (which is why it sucked against KMT until Japs killed most of KMT)
>>544274217picrel
>>544281298Kentucky and Tennessee. Bluegrass, bourbon, moonshine, etc is associated with the states. So, you're right: real america. Less so now>>544281418We're not guests here, our contribution does matter to the fabric of this land. Why do you think we favor the Prussian salute over showing our palm? That said, those times that's true we wouldn't have sided with the Germans over the English; there are somethings to note on this though. There was after world war 1 deliberate efforts by the OSS (became the cia after ww2) to suppress german populations in the US. This has always been a pattern and the suppression of Germans was an argument put forward by Ben Franklin at the founding for English as an official language.
>>544282462Ich habe frage; warum du bist meine pizza gegest? >deutsch ist mein erst sprech nicht :3
>>544281747nips wouldntve been too happy about that, though
>>544282138>>544282254I don't disagree, but I think it's a good way of conveying the idea; clearly the Nazis already were Socialist - their differences to the Soviets in practice weren't that great, and could be minimised some more without changing much of substance, to create a long-term compatibility of sorts, and not end up fighting in 1950 or whenever.>hitler was an ideological fanaticYes and No. Hitler was a sort of monomaniac, obsessed with restoring Germany and making it Greater - that this was his purpose. But that is all.Most of everything else was a larp, propaganda, or outright pragmatic.His racism wasn't extraordinary by the standards of the time, and as typical of politicians: a lot of what he said publicly had a purpose; wasn't simply his opinion, if at all, but something intended to bring about a desired effect.>like motivating Germans to mercilessly slaughter jews and slavs and other "subhumans"His real views usually were more nuanced.
>>544278097Why are you angry, leafy boy?
>>544274217ally with russia
>>544278845The USSR had been getting all sorts of aid from the U.S. since the 20's, and neither Germany or the USSR had the ability to deal with the U.S. Navy.
>>544282687You are absolutely guests in America, and always were. There was zero independent colonisation of America by Germans - most of it was facilitated by Brits, and all of it at the immigration control by Anglo-Americans. Every German in America is by definition is living in a foreign culture that isn't German, it is British, thats why you have Common Law and the 1st and 2nd Amendment, and individualism, something entirely alien to Germans. How are you even a real people moaning about Germans being suppressed in early PA, when you were literally there as guests, often relgious refugees? > Wahhhhhhhhhhhh Franklin said we are swarthyyyyyyyyyyy that means we're supressed.How were you suppressed? Genuine question - and don't fucking quote the Muhlenberg legend.The reason Franklin disliked Germans is that they refused to fight the Indians and French and they were a hindrance because of this. When natives would attack, they'd back to Philly demanding Anglos help them. If you notice, go and through US wars, there are almost no Germans in any of the wars until the War of Nigger Liberation, which you signed up for at record rate. Its literally the only US war you've ever fought at an equal rate to everyone else, every other one you sat out.
>>544282755Yes, but Hitler wasn't eager to ally with the Japanese either. It was a pragmatic choice, almost forced his hand.The honorary aryan thing? Hitler seethed about that in private, because asiatics are asiatics, but reluctantly permitted the declaration to maintain the alliance.>>544282687>Kentucky and Tennessee.Oh, nice. Also based.>>544282713>Ich habe frage; warum du bist meine pizza gegest?You wouldn't say "I have question" in English, no? So it's "eine": a question.>warum du bist meine pizza gegest?Now this is a typical word order issue, a place where the languages deviate slightly. Yet it would have been sufficient to maintain English word order for the most part:>why did you>warum hast duso far so good>meine pizza gegest?Geguessed? Actually.. if you were to say it like that, geguessed.. most people wouldn't notice anything wrong, but the correct form in this case is "gegessen" (to have eaten / eaten up)
>>544274217Perhaps don't enter war agains the whole world ? lol
>>544274217Assualt pedos
>>544283377Danke for the feedback. You are a good Friend.
>>544283326Look buddy, while it was a little weird at first it took me about a week to get used to living in the UK and integrate there, so clearly the cultural differences are rather minor.
>>544280511This
>>544283377>The honorary aryan thing? Hitler seethed about that in private, because asiatics are asiatics, but reluctantly permitted the declaration to maintain the alliance.the entire race thing is basically moot since DNA turned up in the 1950'syou dont need to make it about race, just actually merit would be enough, and youd get a mostly white result>but asiansare not dumb, but too many are rote learnersmeaning finding merit includes dealing with curveballs
>>544274217They should have gassed Dunkirk. Then threatened to do the same to all of Briton, regardless of MAD. They should have not taken Lenigrand and simply bombed it to hell. They should have declared early victory in Barbarossa and retreated to defensive lines to build up more power. They should never have let Italy start shit in Greece, major waste of resources. They should have made an ally of Tito. They should have actually down the Holocaust down the last Jew, including a 100 pounds of Gold Bounty on Jews living outside of their reach,
>>544283879>They should have made an ally of Titothey were pals all the way until Barbarossa, and leftists are kvetching hard every time someone mentions it.The text says>Do not fear Hitler!>He is good for the social order and a great friend of Joseph Stalin!Oopsie lol
I read that he had to invade ussr because his only oil source was romania which soviets could easily bomb from crimea.Additionally if he had gotten ussr oil then it would be secure from the british navy. If he tried to go for arab oil then he would have to get it through the brits.The big unknown in my mind is turkey. If he had control of the straits of marmara then it seems like he could bring oil that way from iraq. The soviet union was really struggling to conquer finland and so hitler probably just saw it as a paper tiger with a ton of oil.
>>544277391>hard to tellIt's not hard to tell, it was bullshit and anyone who knows how the invasion started should be aware of this.Hitler's "belief" of an imminent invasion was justified by the supposed massing of troops, yet we know for a fact that that German intelligence underestimated Soviet forces by a factor of 5, Germans eliminated the entire expected resistance in the first couple of days while the bulk of Soviet forces were stationed in the East and totally unprepared for any sort of conflict with Germany. The instant those troops were transferred West, the entire German force shat itself, Hitler would never have invaded if he knew what the Soviets had, certainly not with the forces he used.Back in those days, almost all intelligence came from refugees (this is why mossad is so tightly knit with US glowniggers, fleeing jews were the main source of intelligence from both Germany and USSR), and German intelligence got memed by Whites into thinking USSR was weak to encourage them to fight the commies.Basically Hitler was under the impression that Soviets parked everything they had on the border when in reality their forces were in the East.
>>544274217"You can do everything right and still lose. It's life."
>>544284171yes, yes, this is all evidenced in authentic military papers seized and/or made by the victors, of course, of course
>>544280767Germany invaded PolandRussia invaded PolandBritish promise Poland supportBritish give Poland to Russia in 194580 years later, retarded niggers worship jews.
>>544280268>Invade earlier, and have a full logistical train to fight throughout the harsh winterEasy to say, but Hitler already pushed the envelope in all his plans. Virtually nothing could have been done sooner. In fact a lot of the time the entire General Staff was screeching that these schedules are impossible.>still got it to work within 1-2 weeksBut shit was on edge, units not keeping pace or outrunning supply lines, having little to no spare equipment, or units being outright understrength, because Hitler always was in a rush.This rush may even have become his undoing when he split his eastern forces north/south to go after the oil fields instead of crushing Moscow first of all as was the original plan. The fall of Moscow would not have made the Soviets surrender or anything, but it would have worsened their morale and disorganization as well as opened new attack vectors.
>>544278309Anglo americans were already losing their control by WW2. Hollywood was entirely jewish, italian mobsters ran the big cities, and the irish had formed a very strong anti anglo lobby for decades. America was an anglo country in the 1600s-1800s. After that it rapidly turned mutt.
>>544274217Not invading the sovietsWorked on building their economy instead of betting it all on blackHonestly, if the war with france was more of a real war instead of a total collapse, Germany probably could've avenged Versailles and the world could've moved on
>>544274217Never pretend deporting Jews would work. They should have shot them in the streets.
>>544284248>80 years later, retarded niggers worship jews.Nobody does this except you lol. Everyone in EU is for Palestine
>>544283792>Churchill refused peace deals>so taking the british army prisoner at Dunkirk wouldnt have changed anythingSee there is a problem with that logic: disproportionate retaliation.its one thing to refuse a peace deal when one side is bombing you and youre bombing them. Its quite another to refuse peace deals when you are bombing them and they ship back nobles children in small boxes. Every other time an English army got captured the English capitulated and stopped their egregious behaviour.
scripted wari'm not saying it didn't happen, i'm saying it happened as it was scripted to. germany losing was always in the script. inorganic
>>544284233We literally have a recording of Hitler saying he had no idea of the military and production capacity of the USSR and that if anyone told him about it, he would have thought him insane, retard.
>>544274217They should have built a dependable cheap supply truck similar to the USA's GMC Deuce and a Half truck. When Germany invaded Russia they were using horses and donkeys to haul supplies and their tanks and infantry kept vastly outrunning them which led to delays when they would have to stop and wait. Had the supplies been able to keep up with the tanks and infantry, Germany would have been able to keep up the momentum they built and would have won the war. They had the first modern combined arms doctrine backed up with outdated logistics.
>>544284171>>544284233i just realized the irony in saying that, kebab-remover-anonafter bosnia and kosovo, you should know that all too well as wellive come to understood the austrians still hate you and vice-versain germany, they are barely aware of that
>>544283873Well it's not like I agree with Hitler's views exactly, in as far they can be discerned.Let's take the master race for instance, a ridiculous concept; did Hitler really believe Germanics were innately superior to everybody else? If so how, how much and why? Why did the Romans kick their ass? What's there to show for Germany prior to the 1700s? Did they just magically turn into the master race recently? Did studying the British Empire buckbreak him? Yes, quite possible he was jealous, and thought British colonisation was a racial thing somehow? That would be retarded, but then again it was the British who originally came up with this racial nonsense.Or was it just a populist larp? You know what voters like? When you tell them how fucking superhuman and awesome they are, especially when their ego has a WW1 era machinegun bullet shaped kink.Maybe he was a psycho, maybe he thought hisself a prophet, maybe he was just a typical politician craving power.I think he was a little of all three, with no attribute dominating.
>>544284471you dont understand, all this evidence in taintedthe video might be real, but the context we know is maybe notand so on, and so forthi will argue with even (or especially) history professors with thisim seeing this from an epistemological anglego ask an AI what that is, before you reply
>>544284471>>544284635Hitler went all-in on military might that he forgot military intelligence agencies
>>544284705actually if you believe the initial Abwehr estimates it makes sense why Hitler thought he would win against USSR.
>>544284577i have no contentions to state>>544284705thats not wrong, but that screenshot is an obvious case of literal real-world anti-nazi propaganda that exists to this dayits not objective, and it makes no attempt to do soits been 80 yearsto move on, you need to accept the pastbut what was the past, even
>>544284635Nigger, he literally says he couldn't even imagine a country just having so many tanks. He describes the factories they captured and marvels at the sheer production capabilities of them. He straight up says, word for word, multiple times, that he had no idea. He literally says "we didn't know anything". This is not fucking debatable.
>>544284886i doubt you even speak german, fren
>>544284171From what I remember reading, in real military-historical books, you are wrong.>end of postHitler had very precise knowledge of the deposition of the Red Army, that they had a large advantage in numerical respects.>and he didn't care>muh elite troops muh aeroplanes muh technology>also commies are fucking dumbMany in the German General Staff thought Operation Barbarossa wasn't going to end well BUTconsidering Hitler's prior successes both Hitler himself and the General Staff began to believe that maybe The Führer has Napoleonesque magic powers and will just win again and again no matter the odds.But the irony is even greater than this, because Stalin also knew exactly what was going on, down to the date when the German invasion would start.And ironically he behaved much the same as Hitler, ignoring all advice and recon evidence.>it's just a psyop/exercise/provocation/nothingburgerAnd so did fucking nothing, which is precisely why the German invasion initially succeeded to such a degree - because even a week or two later Stalin still refused to believe the Germans were invading.>Stalin was the sole reason the German attack wasn't stopped near the border
>>544274217They delayed operation Barbarossa by a few weeks, and they made poor choices about which cities to conquer. I think that was the biggest reason for losing
>>544284884quite the contrary, the anti nazi propaganda makes Hitler seem more powerful than he is and promotes ideas like "if Britain and USA stopped fighting, Hitler would defeat the entire world"
ur all retards with hindsight youre forgetting the fact that practically everyone thought germany was unstoppable until the big failure at stalingrad. every glownigger on every side expected a german victory until that point.the idea was: ok we cant get over the channel. but what are you going to do when we control the entire continent? who is going to counter that? that was the gamble. fueled ofc by hitler personally and his lebensraum in the east idea. the alternative no one is talking about is not attacking russia and instead dumping everything on rommel in north africa but thats not land anywhere close to germany. even though arguably it would help a lot if the med was controlled. italy shouldnt have joined the war to get pieces of french, it should have joined by some sneak attack on gibraltar
>>544274217Yeah, capturing everyone at Dunkirk, shattering British Morale, and then winning the Battle of Britain. Don’t get sucked into the civilian bombing, just focus down the RAF and get enough aerial supremacy that you scare off the RN. Cross the channel as their defenses would be incredibly limited with the resources not making it out of Dunkirk. There, war is over. Now when you invade the Soviets you’ll have France and England to throw into the meat grinder as well.
>>544284171Damn impressive what kind of deep knowledge Serbs have.
>>544284999Fuck off, retard.>>544285016So you're proposing he was playing dumb to Mannerheim?
>>544279425>the NazisHmmm fake?
>>544285022the anti-nazi propaganda is different in (former) soviet and west, i realize it now that you mention itamerican war movies and games like to make fun of krautsrussian war movies make them super evili love those modern russian war moviesgo knock yourselves out making them (comically) evil, ivans
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>>544285148Either that, or he actually started drinking his own Kool-Aid - which I believe over the years gradually became a major issue.>he's high on his own farts again!
>>544280995It was t really close, the USSR was literally creating two entire armies while baiting the Axis at stalingrad for almost a year
>>544285016>>544285418>because even a week or two later Stalin still refused to believe the Germans were invadingi cannot believe thisthis is what we are supposed to believe>>544285148this is what i mean with epistemology
>>544285016>And ironically he behaved much the same as Hitler, ignoring all advice and recon evidence.but if Stalin didn't ignore the advice and put more of his forces on the west, more could be destroyed by the initial onslaught. It is a tradeoff. Blitzkrieg failed precisely because the troops from the east were slowly flooding towards the west front instead of all of them being there in one convenient place to bomb
>>544274264England and France declared war on Germany
>>544274217>How the Germans could have won WW2?Offer to return France in exchange for a peace treaty with England, France and the United States and a treaty asserting that they won't fund the Soviet Union. Then you fight Russia one on one without the lend lease act propping them up and you come out of it with all of Eastern Europe and Russia. From there you just apply political pressure on the Brits, French, and Murricans to get them to open trade with you. Then you push fascist propaganda and color revolutions all over the world until you become the dominant trading bloc.
>>544274217have every oppenent be france :)
>>544282462Soviet's left more than enough troops to deal with the japanese on the east, like 300k
>>544274423Oh shit that explains everything lmfaoWhy are jeets such cucks for jews?
>>544283326>individualism>britishLmao come on dude, get real
>>544285720Anon Hitler did do those things, England refused to make peace
>>544285621(strangely... ironic post by me, who is but not stalin)huh... funny thatsimyo häyhaa? the white death?yeah i dont believe that anymore, eitherzaitsev? pfftred baron? mehno offense to them, if they ever existedbut everyone of them would have their problems with the brass, and allow me to say that
>>544284036Context?
>>544285621I admit it strains credulity, but how else would you explain the utterly disorganized state of the Red Army at the start of the conflict?Do you also doubt the Soviets had intelligence of German troops massing for months? It wasn't a surprise attack at all.But there are angles that make it comprehensible. For one Stalin was paranoid, and so didn't necessarily trust or believe his allies or subordinates. Stalin also knew that his army overall, while not quite as sophisticated, was larger and more powerful than the German's, so why the fuck would they commit suicide by invading?? That doesn't sound believable either. Nevermind the Napoleon precedent. So maybe it's indeed some kind of falseflag or psyop to provoke the Soviets into creating a casus belli or whatever.It goes further: the Germans and Soviets, at the time and since the early interwar period, had highly productive relationship. They were both pariah states after WW1 and consequently worked together by necessity, German tech aid for Soviet ressources. Stalin loved that shit. He was eager to maintain this relationship with Germany for the time being, so why a "surprise attack" all of sudden?? Is someone trying to sabotage German-Soviet relations?In effect: he thought Hitler was just talking big.
>>544274217By never starting war against rest of the world. They could take Poland, Bohemia and maybe France. It would be early EU. Meth, Hugo Boss and swastika can do lot, but not enough to take over the world. Also wooden doors should be properly tested. Cutting cost on wrong place. And giving them swimmimg pools? I think Hitler never was serious about jews.
>>544274217What do you mean? They did win.
>>544285748Savage burn, but yes, you are more or less right.>the Battle of Khalkhin GolAfter all the Japanese had already tried to invade the Soviet Union and got savagely 0wned by Zhukov. Clearly leaving a bunch of third rate troops there was sufficient.
>>544274217Discovering the Libyan oil fields might have done it. Then there would have been no immediate pressure to invade Russia and he could have done it on his own time or fought a defensive war when Russia inevitably tried to invade eastern Europe.
>Capture all the British soldiers at Dunkirk instead of letting them go>Force Britain into a surrender/non aggresion treaty>Kick Japan out of the alliance so no war with the US>Attack Soviets early May 1942 so you have time to build up Honestly conquering Russia would still be a 50/50 shot though
>>544274217Me going back in time and giving uncle Adolf the whole gameplan and the recipe for the atomic bomb
>>544286206why would a jewish leader care about British troops dying?
>>544286259ok you are there, Hitler has gathered all the greatest scientists, now explain it
>>544286026>how else would you explain the utterly disorganized state of the Red Army at the start of the conflict"normality"they got their asses handed back to them, by the finnsalso, ultimately, it is soviet records that have told you most of thisi suppose i dont need to explain what i mean with that
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>>544286206The US was attacking German U-boats before they declared war on Germany. It was inevitable. The Nazis were putting freemasons in concentration camps while the US presidents (Roosevelt, Truman) were both freemason. So was Churchill.The jews are international and you have to defeat them in all countries.
>>544274217they couldn't, most of the world hates germany unfortunately- some because they are germanic but want to be their own thing (france, england, a large US minority)- some because they're not germanic, so they have an inferiority complex (slavniggers, rusniggers, mutts etc)real ensouled human beings have nothing but respect for das deutsch
>>544286293True, Churchill couldn't give a fuck abut British troops.
>>544286451the germans are a race of craftsmen, they build things well, like a robot or an ant or a japanese, but they lack soul or genius and like anglos resemble livestock more than humans
>>544286352>they got their asses handed back to them, by the finnsThat's not what happened in practice, though. Care to remind me who lost that war?Losing more troops is all fine and dandy but the Finns evidently didn't win, and their chances also didn't improve with time.We can also turn this around: If the Finns were so badass why did they not actually join the attack, or attack Leningrad at least, or something?>they were useless allies and got instantly rekt without the Axis Powers doing 99.9% of the workThe only reason their territory wasn't decimated far worse after WW2 - in fact the Soviets could have conquered the entire thing easily - is because they still had their hands full with the Nazis, who took priority, and consequently put their signature under the extremely generous peace agreement with these irrelevant mosquito fucks.
>>544286593the anglos are a germanic tribe. you don't know what you're talking about.
>>544286593>but they lack soul or geniusThat's the general globohomo thing in modernity, not a German thing. The German language developed one of the richest corpuses of literature in a remarkably short time.Also I shall remind you that everybody died in either WW1 or WW2; you'll find plenty of soul and genius before those wars, but not quite so much after.
>>544274217>How could they defeat the world's biggest Empire AND USSR better sacrifices to Votan I guess. There's nothing the Aryan Gods couldn't achieve, you just have to ask properly.
>>544286607Pretty much, at least they fought but normies love propaganda, and the more retarded and unreal the more they believe it, hence the finish sniper with 1 billion kills and the ghost of kiev
>>544286735Yes, hence the similarity
>>544286607the finnish front went back and forth a few timesi think the first conflict predates the start of WW2, even>leningradby the time it was under siege, the finnish-soviet borders had already been entrenchedthe initial failed soviet campaign was because they were woefully underequipped and underexperienced initially>wheres pekka when you need himnever mind, maybe there is some truth to what you say, lol
>>544286179If Russia wanted to invade, they easily could have. Bormann was a Soviet spy so he knew of their dependency on Romanian oil and the very small presence of German troops there.USSR simply could have invaded Romania which Hitler himself said would take only 60 or so divisions.At that point Germany would be completely starved of oil. The Brits and Americans would ally with Germany after that, but it would be too late as the Soviet Navy could intercept any American oil shipments and Britain did not have enough for German war needs.No oil, no industry, no manufacturing, no panzers, no rockets ... no food even (since it is all mechanical)Germany could maybe fight for a year, probably less because the sheer size of the Soviet Army would be too much for their oil reserves to handle.Then Germany is Soviet. Soviets get access to all of the German research and mix them with their own war economy and gigantic factories, they play nice with German people to keep the scientists working.USSR gets the nuke first and then it literally is game over for the entire west.So the final point: literally every catastrophe that befell Russia in and after WWII was because Russia was so restrained. They did not have desire to rule over entire Europe, just have a some buffer satellite states between themselves and the west.If Russia (or USSR in this case) was half as imperialist as the west claims (both Nazis in WWII and Americans in cold war), then they would have won, because they had the information, the capacity and (according to the west anyway) a totally obedient homo Sovieticus populace that would throw themselves in front of tanks like human meatwaves without hesitation.So clearly even the most ardent anti-Soviet specialist must admit that at the very least the western representation of the USSR (and Russia in general) was AT LEAST greatly exaggerated, if not outright false. Again, USSR did not only have the means but also critical information from the Reich oil.
>>544274264>they started itdon't be coy, pidrila, you started it together with the nazis as "brothers in arms" and allies
>>544286841germanics do have soul and creativity, maybe I dont know what you're talking about. being competent and disciplined is good actually.
>>544274217Advance towards Moscow. Ignore Stalingrad.
>>544286907>leningrad was under siegeit's a soviet myth
>>544287047May we see this soul?
>>544286998Of course the Soviets did not know about the Nukes, they did not have the ability to see in the future. But they knew that the German research facilities were just as advanced as theirs, but with better starting point (as Kaiserreich was more advanced than Russian Empire), so they definitely would have integrated these people if they were after European domination
>>544286841in short, anything good in this world was made by mediterraneans and germanics, with some contributions from arabs and east asians.
>>544274217We don’t know. Germans have never won. They can not even tell what is victory for them, only maybe theoretically.
>>544274217The Type XXI U-boats could have won WW2 very easily. They were ignored by Carl Dontizt who kept building WWI era U-boats (the type VII you see in the Das Boot movie). I cant figure out how stupid you have to be to ingore such an advanced and clearly superior design, sort of proof that Germans have no good original ideas
>>544287275Germans are for automobiles and tanks, British are for ships.Literally common knowledge.
>>544274217Haven't seen anyone state the obvious. Germany lost because they sent rommel and his division to Africa to bail out the Italians who were getting their asses caved in by a bunch of spear chuckers. This delayed the planned invasion of Russia. Were it not for that setback German forces would have arrived before winter set in and had a strong chance of defeating the Russians.
>>544287145Bavaria is one of the most soulful places I have ever seen (not globohomo munich suburbs, actual Bavaria)
>>544274217Rothschilds puppets
>>544287145https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOnSh3QlpbQ
>>544284248>Germany sends Lenin to Russia>Gets mad that it back fires, and those communists fund a revolution in your countryWhy are nazis so stupid? Is it because more of you are becoming brown?
>>544287455>>544287428I would like for you two to point out literally any nation that did more to fight the Rothschilds and communistsI'll wait
>>544274217invent nuke first
>>544274217Don't get involved in a land war in Asia
>>544274217>get Japan to invade from the East during Barbarossa>don't declare war on the USif they did these 2 things they prob would've won
>>544286607>>544286907I was about to add a disclaimer, because it really sounds like I'm hating on the Finns, which is not my intent, but to sorta view it through the lense of the time, or how it must have looked to the Soviets.Were the Soviets eager to invade Finland again for the lulz? Who knows, maybe not terribly, but the fact the Finns only tried to avenge themselves and didn't participate in deeper attacks likely made the Soviets feel leniency, and considering that they were not much of a direct military threat knocking them out of the war took priority, which took the form of that peace agreement they quickly arrived at, instead of having to divert ressources to commit aggression against the Finns while they were still involved in giant battles with the Axis armies.The western Allies probably also intervened diplomatically, but Stalin didn't necessarily care much about this soppy groveling shit.
>>544287455>it back fireshow do you mean? the soviets were the only ones supporting Germany by shipping there raw materials, steel, coal, wheat etc. The USSR allowed the German military to train pilots and tank crews in their schools, bases and airfields. They even helped the Luftwaffe acquire training airplanes, which Germany couldn't do on its own. The USSR helped the nazis prepare for WW2.
>>544287455Germans assumed Lenin would cause endless purity spiral and infighting on the left, revitalize the right in the process and that Russia would wage a civil war for as long as possible and eventually break up completely.Solid strategy, really.They did not account for the fact that leftist Russians at the time were seemingly willing to follow all of Lenin's purity spirals and that the right wing Russians (liberals monarchists, etc) there just was not enough of them that were willing to die for the movement. Or maybe there just was not enough of them in general given that even majority of Tsarist Officers joined the Red Army.Germany did realize their mistake which is why they then supported the White Army, and their (and Entente) materials were crucial. Modern weapons were essential for an army in a country that has basically started industrializing under Sergei Witte not long ago.But even with that monetary support, the Reds just had more men and Entente while providing 250k soldiers, was not willing to go all the way and send like 4 million people which is what would be needed to defeat the Reds.Most also genuinely believed that communism would just collapse in a month or two like it did with the French commune. Again, the mistake of not realizing how different Russia is from the west and how different the Eastern implementation of communism would be from the French oneBut their plans initially were formed with a clear goal, to break up Russian Empire and collect as many chunks as possible while they fight each other.
>>544287513communists don't need to be fought as like I said they were always held back and restrained with imperial policy.The later communists were even so nice to self-collapse and give Russia to America for 10 years until Putin came
>>544274264Jews started it.
>>544287754We saw what communists did, fuck offBe grateful we didnt glass you
>>544287681>The USSR allowed the German military to train pilots and tank crews in their schools, bases and airfields. They even helped the Luftwaffe acquire training airplanes, which Germany couldn't do on its own. The USSR helped the nazis prepare for WW2. Weimar German republic . It was all stopped in 1933.
>>544274400You finns are such disgusting spiteful vermin.
