Southern Italians are retarded, Northern Italians are smartedPeople usually phrase this in arab blood, but I present an alternative theory- since 3000 BC Northern Italy was a center of proto-civilisation and the mysterious etruscans while southern italy was -fucking nothing- and albanians.Perhaps southern italy doesn't suck because of arab blood, but because they have always sucked and northern italians have always been better since prehistory.
>>544331399>american educationdo you know anything else about europe except one hitler speech?
picrel explains the mezzogiorno divide.
>smartedi'm gonna guess you are not from northern italy then
>we wuz romans and shieett. alaric>*smacks lips* ayo where the romano-gothic women att. lombards>ooga booga i'm finna drip out with this crown and shieet nameant. charlemagne>oy vey goyim can i interest you in some financial and commercial servicest. venetians, genoese, medici>i just LOVE the hustle and bustle of the big city, let's go to the art gallery and then have gay sext. florentines>it's all in the game bruh just tryna stack dat paper ain't no loyalty to this shitt. condottieri
>>544331399north easy to defend and develop, south easy to invade and pillage
>>544331399North was more easily influenced by France and Austria.
>>544333227>surrounded by sea>easy to invadeThe fuck anon?
Generally not true.Southern Italy has been molded by an agricultural-servile economy similar to the South of the USA.The Romans turned it into something like old Dixie with Levantines, Anatolians and Cilician being the helot-slave caste.This status quo has stayed immune to industrialization or centralization.Hence the discrepancy.
>>544333565google 'boats' and be astonished
>>544335314Many southern italians are in fact greeks
>>544335314>google 'boats' and be astonishedmigration by boats is limited
>>544331399The mist idiotic thing imaginable is using cardinal points for defining genetic nations. There are no northern or southern 'it*lians' because there are no 'it*lians'. There are Lombards and Siculo-neapolitans plus other minor ethnicities tho.
>>544335441Define greek.Taranto was founded by ostracized "Greeks" from Sparta.Specifically because they were not considered greek enough.
>>544333358>ueh gumbà o nodde uah o noddeLombardy is just Lombardy retard. Genetic nations are not cardinal points.
>>544332495A genetic map defines it way better than any piece of anesthetic propaganda using the demented and nin existing category of 'it*lians'.
>>544333169
>>544335441yep
>>544335580blah blah blah. Look at that huge overlapping of Siculo-neapolitan and jewish genetic islands on a genetic map. That gives you more informations than all the historical fantasies you can come up with.
>>544331399Northern Italians are white.
>>544336102We have genetic testing on Italic populations from the Bronze Age to now.
>>544336030yeah cherry pick an irrelevant microscopic Mycenaean ancestry to demonstrate genetic closeness between Lombards and Siculo-neapolitans. We need a little bit of clownish comedy over here.
>>544336208Yawn. No overlapping of genetic islands= different nations. Live with it.
>>544333227>north easy to defend and develop, south easy to invade and pillageshut up and look at genetic maps in combination with PISA scores. Everything else is cope and fantasy.
>>544335219No they didn't, southern Italy and Sicily was incredibly rich from the late Roman Republic until the end of the Middle Ages when it had the misfortune of being on the receiving end of Italy's decline because of shifting trade routes and endless wars and to top it off also had to contend with endless Muslim piracy against it because the Ottomans were just that much more effective than prior Muslims (some of whom were conquered by the Sicilians themselves for a period in the 13th century). It became a corrupt shithole ruled by the Mafia and absentee landlords under Spanish rule.
>>544336563>southern Italy and Sicily was incredibly rich from the late Roman Republic until the end of the Middle AgesBecause of slavery and the slave trade doofoos.
>>544336241Honestly the Magna Grecians today are more Hellenic than Modern Greeks are.
>>544335314The only reason why you don't speak French is that projecting significant power over water, even as narrow as English Chanel, is prohibitively hard. So while there are ships, idea of naval invading a foreign state is very hard to actually pull off.
>>544336832Not really.They were Greekified colonists really.And they were absolutely mutted up by the Roman ergastulum.
>>544336563>southern :it*ly' and Sicily was incredibly rich from the late Roman Republic until the end of the Middle AgesSiculo-neapolitan wakanda fantasy intensifies. I thought it was limited to the claim that the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies was a big industrial power in the 1850s before le ebil raysiss Lombards invaded and out an end to it, but I see there's now a 2000 years retrodated version of it. Will this ride ever end ? No. Clownworld is undefeated.
>>544336873>The only reason why you don't speak FrenchThe English do speak French you absolute ignoramus.
>>544331399half southern italian here. IQ of 138
>>544336832Jewish contribution is at least as big as the Greek one in Siculo-neapolitan genetics: fact.
>>544336961That's quite significant considering Greeks today are almost wholly Slav'd.
the nation of italy and, in consequence, nationalism was financed and created by (((bankers))):DDDDD
>>544337237>Greeks today are almost wholly Slav'd.More nonsense.There is almost no Slavic blood in the Balkans.
>>544337316>There is almost no Slavic blood in the Balkans.lmao
>>544337172babby's never seen a PISA scores table listing separately Lombards and Siculo-neapolitans. Help is coming: https://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/filename/siculo-neapolitans-PISA-big-brains/troll_country/WP/
>>544337172YeahBut you're also a canadianSo it balanaces out
>>544337374Yugoslavs are by en large linguistically Slavic.Not really genetically Slavic but okay.
>>544337374Çăvaş-Minoan Brotherhood?
>>544336155Lombards are just Lombards, we are not the north of anything.Would you call Scots 'northern britons' ?
>>544337622No they are genetically Slavic as proven by>>544337374 they are actually mostly Slavic.
>>544337622map is about genetics, they are significantly slavic, even a cursory look at Y-DNA would suffice(and no, I2 isn't some paleo-balkan lineage there, that specific subclade arrived exactly as slavs did and is found in basal form in northern slavs)
"Everything south of Rome is Africa"Frederico Fellini
byzantine chroniclers even complained that much of the peloponnese itself IIRC had seen a large slavic presence
>>544337783>I2 isn't some paleo-balkan lineage thereLol. No type of I is Indo-European.And Paleo-Balkaners werent just uprooted.Reason why Yugoslavs are so Dinaric and black compared to real Slavs.
>>544337888I is not for indo european. Some Indo Europeans had I lineages, however they are only related to yugoslav I-Y3120 in the Paleolithic. Most Paleo-Balkan admixture in Western Yugoslavs came during the Ottoman empire. Medeival Croatians, Bosnians and Serbs were as Slavic as Slovaks and Poles.
>>544337888Albanians and what's left of Greeks is Paleo-Balkan by definition even if Indo-European.
>>544337888>Lol. No type of I is Indo-European.how wrong you are lmao, try to keep up, Sredny Stog culture was found to be largely I2-L699 which also later is found in Yamnaya related samples
>>544337851just a silly way of defining something that is alien and incomprehensible. Saying that the Siculo-neapolitans are half jews at the contrary is much more precise and informative.
>>544337990Explain how Yugoslavs are so phenotypically and anatomically different to actual Slavs then.>>544337967Humans are talking. Silence.
>>544338062he is >10% nigger
>>544338062They did absorb Illyrian ancestry but consider Poles also absorbed Germanic ancestry and the Rus absorbed Finnic and to a lesser extent Germanic ancestry. Purest Slavs are Belarusians and certain groups of Ukrainians and Rusyns.
>>544338236>Illyrian ancestryNot Paleo-Balkanic.The Illyrians were Indo-European invaders. Not Paleo-Balkaners.
>>544338236All Slavs have Paleo-Balkan admixture from Dacians. The Dinaric phenotype is endemic to Slavs.Slovakians for example have higher frequencies of Dinarization than Tosk-Albanians despite being considerably less Paleo Balkan.
>>544338326LMAO you keep embarassing yourself. You should honestly stop posting itt
>>544338326https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleo-Balkan_languages
>>544338062depending which group you pick they may still have like ~50% of their ancestry from pre-Slavic groups, which were mostly the same intrusive Anatolian base as Greece and south Italy, the only group with appreciable paleo-balkan ancestry are albanians
>>544338350Actually makes sense and also Slovakians do have considerable Vlach DNA and some linguistic influence too.
>>544338419The Illyrians only migrated to the Balkans in the Bronze Age.Conquering the agriculturalist pre-Indo-Europeans there.>>544338480>paleo-balkan ancestry are albaniansReason why they are dark skinned like other Anatolian farmers and as stupid as bowling balls.I get your point.
>>544331399its simple geography, north has plains and easy infastructure so industry and farming developed, south is a piece of shit filled with mountains only mining and sheeps and wine i guess
>>544338583Portuslav this is true but Paleo-Balkan doesn't refer to the Older Pre-Indo-European Stratum.
>>544338638>north has plains and easy infastructure so industry and farming developed,This kinda works in the Po valley.But northern Italy is really alpine. With both the Alps and the Appenines cutting into it.Southern Italy is best for latifundia and agricultural plantations though.
>>544338733>Paleo-Balkan doesn't refer to the Older Pre-Indo-European Stratum.But it should.The Illyrians arrived in the fucking Bronze Age.The Balkans had been agricultural for 2500 years by then.
>>544338583by paleo-Balkan I also mean pre-Roman localsbut still even Albanians have significant Slavic and Anatolian ancestry, they just have maybe 25/30% Illyrian ancestry which clearly handed down the language through patrilocal dominance, also seen in their very high frequency of pre-Roman Balkan lineages, J2b and E1b-V13
>>544338809>Albanians have significant Slavic and Anatolian ancestryThey are on average 60% Anatolian.Its not significant.Its majoritarian.
>>544338883Olalde's study puts them at ~45% Roman-era Anatolian, ~30% Slavic and ~25% Illyrian
>>544338199this is bullshit if they didnt check surnames
>>544339050>~30% Slavic and ~25% IllyrianDoubt.Big doubt.
>Same flags spamming the identical same shit for 10+ yearsholy schizo central. southern italy is a nice chill place nowadays while you unironic subhumans are rotting away here
>>544339426Too many niggers
>>544339426>southern italy is a nice chill placeHaving no industry means you attract no migration.So while Northern Italy is basically Tunisia.The south remains unchanged.
>>544331399southern italy (and central italy too) are descendants of greek colonists. they're not retarded. just extremely lazy
>>544339577>no migration>southern italyYou really are a retard
>>544333169American education
>>544337175found the kike whose cutie3.14 was taken away by a Sicilian stud. go shill somewhere else to seed your propaganda for your new g-d given state.
Sicilians are actually very smart. They're just lazy and violent. Thank God
>>544342126who you callin lazy?
>>544338480said the albanian to his friends.god bless those albanians, in these trying times, they're the most certain source of laughter.
>>544338199If Iberians are 10% African then what are you lol
>>544342855Not 10% African
>>544331399Im a descendant of Genoa and the Mayflower and Prussia/Denmark/Germany feelsgoodman
>>544343490Also I never said Iberian. I am speaking about the Portugese. Basque f.example only have trace African DNA.
