>completely btfo skydaddycucks>they're still coping and seething about it after 2 milennia
>>544334673Based>inb4 cuckstains cope with surveys about the political beliefs of neo-Christians erroneously self identifying as athiests
thats where christianity gets the out of "its mans fault"oh shucks, the omniscient omnipotent omnipresent god just had his hands tied as mankind brought all these terrible things into the worldsorry, nothing he could do but don't worry, his son, also god, gave up his weekend for you so its all good now
Free will midwit free will
>>544335283Literally impossible to have free will when you're made by an all knowing creator.
>>544335125>>544335283there it isright on cue
>>544335408Why not?
>>544335481do you understand what omniscient means?
>>544335481lmao simultaneously being created by an omnipotent (creates the person) and omniscient (knows every action you will ever do) means you only have the illusion of free will
>>544335283I don't consent to be part of all this shit, retarded midwit
>>544335919time does not exist, midwit
>>544336202enjoy getting press ganged faggot, when you die on the front lines say hi to the Big man for me
>>544336295irrelevant to my post
>>544335408His all knowingness doesnt influence your decisions, and youre still making your decisions. So youre a midwit
>>544335476>>544336202Not an argument trannys
>>544335408>knowing about it means it's not freegreat math, anon.you failed the class.
>>544336538His all knowingness means he knew what your decisions would be before even making you, subhumanwit
>>544335919see>>544336621and stop being a fucking idiot.
>>544336621>>544336624
>>544336624>He knows what you're gonna do>somehow i equate this to me not being able to choose for myselfyou're not mysterious, dumbass.your math is shit.
>>544336504so ive overestimated your intelligence by calling you a midwit
can god create a rock so heavy he couldnt pick it up? Check mate christweenies
>>544336624>>544336295
>>544336624Yes but youre still the one making the decisions amd he never reveals or spoils the ending for you, it only condradicts if god is the one making the decisions for you or telling and warning you of your choices, if youre to retarded to understand that idk what to tell you midwit
>>544334673Evil will always exist. Look at it like this, Heros can't exist without a conflict, but a villian can exist without a hero. That's why there's so many villian films and not many films about the hero just existing because without any conflict Batman is just a useless rich guy, superman is just some hick farm kid etc. Jesus whole story is based on conflict otherwise it wouldn't matter he was just a dude who said cool stuff, if God had zero conflict or evil existing the world would be an over populated hellscape. Nobody would advance because there would be no need to its unrealistic. A utopia could never exist in the same form as a dystopia
>>544336725If he knows what you're going to do before making you then, yes, by definition, you have no free will lmao. It's not a decision, it's you just doing what you were inevitably going to do by design. >mathWtf?
>>544336789>get created with the ability to fathom a paradox>somehow this means no deity to youshit math, anon.
>>544336813You could make that argument if he didn't make me but since he (allegedly) both knows what I'll do AND made me, that cope goes out the window.
do 4 black holes converging around a supernova double or triple the amount of cocks your mother can fit in her ass?checkmate reddit
>>544336836>If he knows what you're going to do before making you then, yes, by definition, you have no free willnope.how does that equate in your head?>you choose to eat sugary dogshit foods>you get fat>we all knew you were gonna get fat from it>somehow, someway, that means you didn't have the free will to choose to eat the foodyou're fucking retarded.
>>544335919sorry christkiklets I have disproven your whole religion in one post
>>544334673Epicurus didn't ever make this argument. It was put together by some relatively modern midwit fedora faggot like you.>bad thing exist therefore no God or God badHow profound. The staggering display of reasoning boggles the mind. How could anyone argue with such an airtight assertion?
>>544336994which post was it because the one you linked to is as stupid as >>544336836 this fucking retard?
>>544336973you dumb christkike you faggots claim to have an omnipotent god they are responsible for creating each persons personality and at the same time know every action they will take
>>544336789>can god create a rock so heavy he couldnt pick it up?Yes, he can
>>544335919>I don't understand free will, checkmate christcucksAtheist gotchas always come down to an inability to understand basic ideas
>>544336923But youre still the one making the choices, if I give free will to a robot and know the possibility of the billions of choices it could make, and it chooses one of them, did it not make a choice or have the ability to choose regardless of my beforehand knowledge of all the choices if can decide on? The chip is installed its choosing for itself so beforehand knowledge doesn't remove its ability to choose retardwit.
>>544334673ok maybe he is not all-powerful but he still is super ultra powerfulthere
>>544336994your argument relies on something that literally does not exist, midwit
>>544337063and knowing what action they will take with the free will you gave them is not the same as controlling the action.why are you stupid?
>>544336973So God didn't know if I was going to get addicted to food? Then he's not all knowing. Checkmate.
>>544334673>if divinity doesn't agree with my definitions of good and evil, then it's the divinity that's wrongI like how, even though you trannies get your scripts and marching orders on what arguments to use in what places, you still go rogue sometimes and try and post facebook shit here. Like any actual /pol/ack will care that God said "no racemixing and no faggotry or I'll curse you."God was and still is based, and everyone who suffers deserves it for the evils they tolerate. Like (you). (You) are gay because your father was a weak and pathetic cuckold. You are a punishment on your father, and both of you deserve to die for your sins. And you will. No amount of Epicurean narcissism can change that. Stick to the kike on a stick memes, it's the closest you've ever come to scoring a point here. And even then, you just make exponentially more people aware of CI and jewish historical revisionism every time you post it.The only way you can really win is to just kill yourself. But you're getting there, aren't you? Day by day.
>>544336813God creates you, inhabits all time and space, and knows everything that's going to happen. That's what it means to be a creator who is both omniscient and omnipotent. Therefore he creates you, and you are the sum of your biology and experiences, ultimately resulting in him knowing what you are going to do in all moments before you are even born. Therefore your "free will" isn't real, he chose for you who you were going to be knowing then what you were going to do, and were always going to do. Every choice you have isn't a real choice, if you think back to any decision you made at any time in your life; being who you were in that moment with that understanding of the world, you made the choice you were always going to make.
>>544337104That's not all knowing. All knowing would be knowing the choices the robot WILL make, not just the ones it CAN make.
>>544337196are you on purpose not reading correctly or are you actually retarded?see>>544337139
>>544337139hahaha you are the dumb one motherfucker OMNIPOTENT - christkike god creates you entirely, chooses your personality OMNISCIENT - christkike god at the same time knows every action you will ever takeChristkike god knows if the person he is creating will or wont go to hell, every sin or action they will ever do before he creates someone
>>544337293>>544336923
>>544337313and what does any of that have to do with free will?you're still counting out the lack of controlling man's choices even though you know his choices.
>>544337263You are confusing God's knowledge of your choices with the cause of your choices. The fact that God knows what you will choose does not necessarily mean he makes the choice for you.Imagine God knows you will choose option A tomorrow. His knowledge cannot be mistaken, but that doesn't automatically mean you choose A because God knows it. Rather, God knows A because A is what you will choose.You are still the one who thinks, deliberates, weighs your options, and acts according to your own reasons. God's knowing the outcome doesn't mean he is forcing you to act. So stick to kike on a stick memes retardwit
>>544335125Nigger. God is watching his rat city experiment. You don't intervene in the experiment unless you get drunk or very emotional.
>>544337358knowing isn't controlling, anon.why can't you get this?
>>544335408fucking retarded take, anon.
>>544337401Because he has control over your actions, he is the one who created you in this scenario. If you create someone knowing everything they will ever do then you also implicitly know if you create them slightly differently it would lead to them doing different actionsincluding going to heaven or hell which they would also know at creation time
>>544337514>he has control over your actionsincorrect.free will exists.read the book again.
>>544334673eternal atheist roaches can't comprehend that God already solved this dilemma ages ago with a single verse, and thinks their flow chart is some kind of magically enlightened position.>"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."
>>544337429>You are confusing God's knowledge of your choices with the cause of your choices. The fact that God knows what you will choose does not necessarily mean he makes the choice for you.He. Creates. You.He knows in advance of creating you the decisions that you are going to make. There are no true choices because you are going to make the choice you were always going to make.
>>544334673love does not mean preventing evil people cutting their genitals off sometimes love is being evil for greater good
>>544337601yet you still made the choices since knowing is not controlling.why can't you get this?
>>544337434It is if you both know the actions the being will take AND create it as well. You keep tactically forgetting your fake demon god also allegedly made us and it's very dishonest.
>>544337689You are being intentionally obtuse. HE. CREATES. YOU.He is omniscient.He knows what you are going to do before you are even born.
>>544337732>It is if you both know the actions the being will take AND create it as wellincorrect since knowing and/or creating is not controlling.why can't you get this?
>>544337772knowing is not controlling.why can't you get this?
>>544337856HE. CREATES. YOU.
>>544337601Knowing what someone will choose doesn’t mean you’re choosing for them. God knowing your decision beforehand doesn’t prove you were forced to make it. Like if youre to much of a retardwit to grasp a simple premise, I cant get you off that short bus
>>544337880see>>544337777
>>544337567>free will exists.I did not consent to be part all that shit, retardFuck you.I hope and wish god sends you corrective rape
>>544334673Epicurus himself believed gods existed but were detached from human affairs.His paradox does offer an interesting thought exersize.
>>544337904>I did not consent to be part all that shitwhat does that have to do with anything?if you don't like being part of it you can ask to be removed.
>>544337891>Knowing what someone will choose doesn’t mean you’re choosing for them.If he is the one that creates you, then yes he is.>>544337900HE. CREATES. YOU.
>>544337777Because we can't do anything. We're constrained by the limits of our bodies and our circumstances. Limits the creator gave us. If you know what a thing will do BEFORE making it and then you go ahead and make it, you're responsible for what it does. If i light a fuse that sets off a bomb that explodes a building, i still go to jail even though I didn't blow up the building, the bomb did
>>544335283>Free will midwit free willSo you chose to be graced by God?
>Make a vidya>You start out in a comfy house>Everything is taken care of>Food, water, entertainment, loving companions>Everything is good all the time>There's no objective in the game, because the presence of an objective implies a desired scenario greater than the present one>Nothing can hurt you, and you can't hurt anything>You already have everything you want>Not having what you want would be less-than-perfect>There's no conflict, everyone you see loves you, and you love them>You start out with max points, and you cannot gain or lose points>You can go places, but to go somewhere implies that that place is better than your current place. This means your current place is less-than-perfect, so I just went ahead and made all places the same>Nobody plays my game
>>544337954Yes he creates you to make choices for yourself regardless of his beforehand knowledge, congrats your only slightly less retarded now.
>>544338010>f you know what a thing will do BEFORE making it and then you go ahead and make it, you're responsible for what it does.incorrect once free will is added to the mix.therefore, you're looking for an out when there is none because it's a closed loop.knowing and/or creating is not controlling.it's just that simple.
>>544337947>it you can ask to be removed.My countless requests about that were ignored by god
>>544338100For simplenton everything is simple
>>544338069doesn't work since gmod sandbox is still played by millions.
>>544338077So we agree then that he created you? And who are "you" exactly? You are a physical being. The structure of your brain is determined by genetics, which being the creator of reality, he created. Therefore, on a physical, biological level, you are in the physical form that he created Do we agree on this so far?
>>544338100You are constrained by your body and your circumstances. You are not a being that can do anything.
>>544338111the that means you're gonna have to learn to cope.>>544338139see, the thing is:smart motherfuckerssound like crazy motherfuckersto dumb motherfuckers.if any of you had ever breathed correctly you'd know how things really work because you'd make it past the veil.
>>544334673your diagram is flawed. stuck in an infinite loop lmao. dumb fuck athiests.
>>544338249and that has to do with free will, how?if you have a drive to traverse the cosmos, build the machine that allows for it by using your free will to figure it the fuck out.
>>544334673Why would god love you? Youre a fat faggoty loser
>>544338344>stuck in an infinite loopinfinite loops are called "stability", anon.
>>544338344its literally "why doesnt god act according to my morals?"
>teleology is ontology! Blowing my mind Ancient Atheist Greece!AAG
>>544338435a flow chart needs a valid exit condition or terminating condition.
>>544335283Evil tramples on free will. Evil needs a victim and the victim by definition have their will crushed, subverted, or otherwise nullified. If god has the power to stop evil and he doesn't he isn't respecting free will but he puts the will of the evildoers over the free will of their victims.
>>544338227I agree completely: creating a mind that makes decisions is not the same as predetermining every choice it will make. That distinction is precisely why free will exists.
>>544338528only for stupid people.real niggas know that creating the infinite loop is the next version of the economy so we never fall prey to debt again.
>>544338447an infinite loop in a flow chart is just retarded andpoorly designed
>>544338539>Evil tramples on free will.only for the weak.
>>544334673yeah no fuck perfect poster for chistcucks
>>544338539Without evil there is no free will since free will cant just have only good decisions. Only have one option of choices from on side of the spectrum is an illusion not true free wiil.
>>544338626i dont expect niggers to be able to properly design a flow chart
>>544335283>>544334821>>544335125>I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.Isaiah 45:7
>>544338351Tell that to the millions of dead Neolithic cavemen who undoubtedly wanted to do the same thing but obviously never could despite any amount of work ethic. Why aren't you? >teehee I don't want to travel the stars :^)Huge cope
>>544338292>the that means you're gonna have to learn to cope.I can't.Sincerely wish and hope god punishes you
>>544338777>Neolithic cavemenislamic countries?but seriously, none of that matters since they're already out of hell since christ emptied it.they're already chillin' cold as fuck, boi!
>>544338227These christians are either too dumb or wilfully ignorant to understand that creating someone implies controlling all their decisions in life
>>544338815He did when i was younger.i learned.now my penance is arguing with you dullards online.
>>544338344No, because on the second go-around the context of the question changes. You can't answer 'Why didn't He [make a world with free will and no evil]?' with 'free will.'
>>544338447>its literally "why doesnt god act according to morals?"Fixed.No allowing demons to fuck around is not moral, retard
>>544338861>creating someone implies controlling all their decisionsit doesn't.no math would ever show that.why do you think so fucked up?>checks flagoh...
>>544338853Cuckstains are such gigantic intellectual pussies. I accept your concession of total defeat
>>544338614Bear with me. So you agree that god creates you, and that the physical form of who you are is determined by genetics which determines brain structure. Okay, so that is the biological baseline for who you could be, but who you are is your biological baseline plus your learned experiences. You are what you are physically, and you are who you are because of your experiences in combination with what you are physically. Do we agree on this? If you had different experiences, like you were on a plane and crashed in the jungle as a kid; you would have different experiences and if you and your hypothetical jungle counterpart were then at the same age faced with the same decision, you would make a different decision, yes?Experience determines information, which along with your native biology, determines decision making ability. Do you agree with this statement?
>>544338912you can always make that argument to God when you die and face judgment.
>>544338970anon, you lost upon your first post by proving you don't know the difference between creating and controlling.
>>544338933you are a mutt lmaoIf I create a npc in a game I know everything they will “decide” to do when their programming is triggered
>>544338989>but who you are is your biological baseline plus your learned experiences.this does not count the soul or the spirit.reformulate and try again.
>>544338912oh im sorry i forgot that mykola decides what is moral and whats not inbetween his edgy posts about how morality is subjective you literally did the thing i said in the post you replied to
>>544339074and if you programmed free will?you lost, anon.
>>544338997Precisely why you deserve to go hell
>>544339035If I create a bomb set to explode a week after I make it and it blows up a building, I still go to jail despite not controlling it at the time it exploded. According to your retarded logic, I should be allowed to walk free lol.
>>544338933>it doesn't.In normal cases, you would be correct. But with an all-knowing God, how He made you dictates how you behave, which means He has all the control. Like, if I taught a dog to commit murder, you would hold me accountable for anyone that dog kills, as I am the more intelligent being manipulating a dumber one.
>>544338989You're proving that experience alters the options and inclinations available to the mind, not that it completely dictates the outcome. Two identical twins raised in the exact same household, sharing near-identical biology and experiences, still make opposing moral and personal choices when faced with the exact same scenario.
>>544339084>passive agressive tone>catpostingI smell sòy and updoots
>>544339149you can’t program “free will” into someone when you are omniscient and see the future they are just your puppet. I dont disbelieve in free will by the way just abrahamic slop
>>544339157hell is emptied and won't be re-filled, anon.read the book again.>>544339212the bomb is not sentient and has no free will, therefore, you are controlling it.>>544339251>with an all-knowing God, how He made you dictates how you behave, which means He has all the controlunless He explicitly gave up that control and gave you free will, which He did.
>>544339264Bear with me, I am trying to find where the disconnect between you and I is on a preconceptual level. Do you agree with the statement in the previous post? That experience determines the information you have available to you to be used by the brain which it's structure is determined by biology? Yes?
>>544339281>you can’t program “free will” into someone when you are omniscient and see the futurethis is where your math is wrong, anon.i don't know why you can't see the missing factor in your equation.
>>544339353>>544338249
>>544339390explain it to me then
>>544339411i have.you're just using your free will to refuse to understand that you have free will.
>>544339353>unless He explicitly gave up that control and gave you free will, which He did....how? God made every part of you. He knows every consequence those design decisions would entail. How can it be possible to defy your own biology?
>>544334673>Evil Exists>Yes>Can God prevent evil>Yes>Does God want to prevent Evil>No>Then God is not good or loving>To specific people yes>He's good to the jews that's why they always winThat was easy to solve
>>544338909>no you have to pretend the conditions changes on the second go around. i didnt design the retarded flow chart. take it up with OP.
>>544339367Yes to the premise: biology sets the brain's baseline and experience provides the data.Where we disagree is treating the mind like a passive calculator running an equation.Having data on a screen dictates what options you see, but it doesn't force which button you push. Experience informs the choice—it doesn't compel it. An active conscious mind still has executive agency to weigh those options and pick between them
>>544339478I believe in free will though, I only think there is no free will in the abrahamic slop worldview
>>544339279why? are you gonna crop it out and post it on your reddit account?
>>544339481the hell does biology have to do with free will, anon?He made your free will.That means He gave up control.i don't know why you guys can't grasp this super simple concept.creating does not equal controlling.knowing does not equal controlling.it's weird that you think it does.
>>544334673Epicurean notoriously liked to fuck extremely young boys which is eerily well-documented because he was widely loathed. Coincidentally, he also used to teach young boys in his class that God isn't real.
>>544339587>I only think there is no free will in the abrahamic slop worldviewif that were the case then sin could not possibly exist because all things would be intransgressional.
>>544339555>An active conscious mind still has executive agency to weigh those options and pick between themIn a general sense, yes. In a specific sense; no it doesn't, In that moment, based on your biological baseline, and with the information you have available to you, in combination with your personality and decision making capacity, in that moment; you were always going to make the choice that you were going to make. There are decisions in the future which, with the brain structure you have and the information you will have at that moment, means the decision you are faced with will always be made in the way it is going to be made.
>>544339668Sure you could say that, I dont believe in abrahamic garbage and never will
>>544339738but we know sin exists because you'd find it quite the transgression against you if somebody were to assault and rob you.of course, you have the free will to enjoy those things if you soo see fit.
>>544339708You're just asserting determinism as a fact rather than proving it. Saying "you were always going to make that choice" assumes the outcome was fixed before it happened, which is the exact claim you need to prove.Having a specific personality, brain structure, and set of facts gives you the reasons why you choose, but it doesn't mean those reasons physically forced only one possible future. Unless you can prove the mind has zero capacity to deliberate between competing impulses in real-time, claiming it's "always going to happen that way" is an assumption, not a proof.
>>544339520Come on anon, you're just being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse. Yes, a proper flowchart would have a second 'Why didn't he?' box, but the same one was used to avoid redundancy. This isn't computer class, it's an online board. It's obvious what the message being conveyed here is.
>>544339805>You're just asserting determinism as a fact rather than proving it. Saying "you were always going to make that choice" assumes the outcome was fixed before it happened, which is the exact claim you need to prove.I have proven it, you agreed with my reasoning already. You have a structure of your brain, which dictates ability and personality, with the remainder filled in by experience. In that moment you have the brain structure you have, and the information you have access to, meaning you make the choice that you make. Even if you are capable of thinking about the options, you are going to make that choice.
>>544339598>the hell does biology have to do with free will, anon?Uh, everything? How do you propose you can make decisions without the neural chemistry inside your brain?
>>544334673Christianity didn’t even exist back then, he would’ve either been a polytheist, atheist or agnostic…
>>544339590>tourist projecting
>>544339804“sin” doesnt mean anything its just actions that most people dont like
>worship a kike>going to respond with kys kike
>>544334673>Can God create a reddit where I'm not banned for being right of Mao?>If he can and doesn't he isn't all loving>If he can't he isn't all powerful>If God isn't browsing reddit he isn't all knowing>checkmate, Christians.
>>544339896You haven't proven it; you've just restated the premise.Listing the setup (brain structure + experience + available information) doesn't inherently force the conclusion that there is only one possible output. That jump assumes the brain operates like a closed physical domino chain—which is the exact thing in question.Agreeing that a choice happens within a specific brain state and set of facts isn't agreeing that those factors strictly force the outcome. Unless you can prove that consciousness lacks any non-deterministic veto power over those inputs, claiming "you were always going to make that choice" is an assumption, not a proof.
>>544334673We have free will and there is a final day of judgement where evil is defeatedcool chart though
>>544338292>coping>in this day and ageMy sides.Every cope is slowly taken from us
>>544339912what does that have to do with being created with free will?
>>544339953there's literally a definition of it, anon.
>>544339841is it really that hard to just have box that says "Then God's an asshole for giving us free will"
>>544334673> Epicurus 341-270 BC> 270 years before Jesus is born> somehow this is related to christians because it just is, ok!damn, atheists are fucking retards.> i will now argue about a deity that i don't believe exists and its qualities that i don't believe it hasmake it make sense. protip: you can't.
>>544340010>using ai to argue on /pol/ kill yourself
>>544340072That you can't really have free will if you operate based on chemicals that God put in your head to trigger in response to specific stimuli. In what part of this process are you free to do 'what you want'? How do you even 'want' at all without dopamine and serotonin?
True Christianity would solve the world's ills. Maybe the standard is impossible, but if everyone strived towards the standard we'd be in a great place. All other ideologies or plans for the organization of society are just varying forms of returning to monke. It seems easy to not genuinely destroy the earth and brutalize each other, yet that remains the law of human relations. Fascists, commies, and everyone in between insist that their method of subjugation and material greed is the best. For the thinking man, that all of them are effectively indistinguishable is plain as day
>>544340010>doesn't inherently force the conclusion that there is only one possible output.I didn't say there was only one possible output. You were capable of doing other things, but you didn't. You did what you did. You are going to do what you are going to do. Armed with the knowledge that you are going to do what you are going to do, you could choose a temper tantrum and do something completely wild in that moment, but the only reason you would do that is because with the biology, personality, and information available to you means that your expression of metacognition follows a predetermined course.>Unless you can prove that consciousness lacks any non-deterministic veto power over those inputsIt does. That's not the point. Free will only exists in a state of metacognition, but decision making is fixed.
>>544339931ive been here since the rock started cooking
>>544340179>I've ever seen an intelligent person beforeLol
>>544340124Guessing we would slot that into God not being omni-benevolent.
>>544340244you used ai in that post, it’s obviouskill yourself lmao
>>544340124It's the opposite. Man relentlessly proves that autonomy and freedom are what he desires most. Your creator allows you to have those things and provides a detailed set of instructions on how it's best applied.2 Corinthians 3:17 (KJV) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
>>544340222that idiot is using ai
>>544339990>strawman>999I see what you did there
>>544340273the fuck? why can't you just say 'God's a prick for not making us slaves"? you some kind of tranny?
>>544340222You're talking in circles.Saying "decision-making is fixed" is saying there's only one output. You can't claim someone was capable of doing otherwise while simultaneously claiming their choice was locked in before they made it.You're just taking the fact that a choice eventually happens, pointing at it after the fact, and calling it inevitable. That’s confusing history with a pre-scripted movie.Unless you can actually prove the mind's evaluation process is 100% hardwired to single outcomes, calling metacognition "fixed" is just a guess you're treating as a fact
>>544340277We get it, you're a moron. Stop making it do obvious.
>>544340369I mean... it is God. Him making us slaves seems like the obvious solution to achieving global good.
>>544334673No offense but these arguments are kinda retarded even from agnostic perspective. If you ever wrote fiction or done worldcrafting in your mind or anything like it at all, is your story "once upon a time it was all sunshine and rainbows the end"? Probably not.
>>544340442kek you can say whatever you want, in the end you know you are using aipathetic
>>544340488okay, then just say "God's a prick for giving us free-will"
>>544340442>We get it, you're a moron. Stop making it do obvious. Self awareness is bot your thinh, but lets not pretend that this doesn't applyto you
>>544334673>then why didn't he?how do you know he didn't?
>>544340515And you can say whatever you want, we know you're low IQ. That thinks people formulating arguments and using their brain to think complex is an AI, thats a tell on yourself more than anything desu.
>>544340541God's a prick for giving us free will. I can tell you're setting up some kind of gotcha, but why is that statement incorrect?
>>544340608This is ai you posted earlier:You haven't proven it; you've just restated the premise.Listing the setup (brain structure + experience + available information) doesn't inherently force the conclusion that there is only one possible output. That jump assumes the brain operates like a closed physical domino chain—which is the exact thing in question.Agreeing that a choice happens within a specific brain state and set of facts isn't agreeing that those factors strictly force the outcome. Unless you can prove that consciousness lacks any non-deterministic veto power over those inputs, claiming "you were always going to make that choice" is an assumption, not a proof.
>>544340637lol, i'm just coming up with an exit condition for the infinite loop because dumb niggers can't properly make a flow chart. sorry to disappoint but i have no gotcha.
>>544340665>anything that sounds more intelligent than me, because neanderthal brain is le AILol
I don't even believe but saying god could create a universe with free will but without evil an the fact that we dont live in it is proof that god is not all powerful is probably the most retarded thing you could say to "disprove" god
>>544340637*terms and conditions applyYou can't commit suicide without negative consequences and you can't reject immortality of your soul, at least easily.So its like leftist idea of free speech.
>>544340746Ah, fair enough. Carry on then, soldier.
>>544340637like the flow chart could be about any other topic and i would still be calling out the design flaw
>>544340408>You're talking in circles.You're the one arguing with circular logic, I am trying to get you out of it.>Unless you can actually prove the mind's evaluation process is 100% hardwired to single outcomes, calling metacognition "fixed" is just a guess you're treating as a factI have done that, we agreed already that a person is biology and experience determining personality and thus decision making. You agree on everything, and then once you agree with everything, you just turn around at the endpoint and say no, so I keep going over it again and again. It is a fact that you were always going to make the choice that you did. It is a fact that, equipped with the biology and knowledge you will have in the future, that when faced with the decision with who you are in that moment, you are always going to make the choice that you make. But for some reason you and that other guy just choose to be intransigent for the sake of being intransigent. It's because of shit like this that your religion is crashing out everywhere all across civilization.
>>544334673epicureus: blah god blah evil blah good blah bullshit blah satan blah blah blah blah x100 ad infinitum me: god is a word. evil is a word. good is a word. ask one billion people what those three words mean to them/how they would define them and you'll get one billion similar/dissimilar/somewhat similar answers. i win everytime. evolution is a word. atheist retards btfo. creationism is a word. creationist dimwits btfo. your realities are arbitrary and subjective nonsense. reality is not actuality. i win always. i cannot be defeated because i know what i know but more importantly i know what i do not know.
>>544337086dumbest christkike
>>544340839you sound like a nigger that just took a bong hit.
>>544337514don't even bother with these fucking morons
>>544340828You’re confusing influence with inevitability.Agreeing that biology and experience shape who I am isn't agreeing that they force what I pick.You keep calling it a "fact" that the outcome was locked in advance, but repeating a claim isn't proving it. So youre a retard that doesnt understand what I'm agreeing with you on and what we are in disagreement about.
>>544340665>Listing the setup (brain structure + experience + available information) doesn't inherently force the conclusion that there is only one possible output.It's a Devil's Proof. You can't show that there definitively doesn't exist another factor that impacts how you make decisions. But even granting that, God made this mystery factor too. It may not take the form of neurochemicals, but He imparted it into you with full knowledge of what you would do with it. Still feels controling to me.
>>544340992Yeah I just wasted my time in the thread arguing with christkikesThey really do argue like kikes, wilfully ignorant
>>544340408He’s treating metacognition as an absolute when trying to evaluate something outside of his scope that would require him to possess the entire context and he can’t because he’s derivative of it. Which is precisely what God shows Job. Kant thinks he discovered this first..
>>544340338>God must acquiesce my every desire and meet my standards of what is good and love in order for me to be faithful to him.It's very similar to a disobedient child. Hey, you know the unbeliever is referred to as a child of disobedience in some translations of the Bible. This life does contain hardship and suffering. And it's in the hardship and suffering that the faithful have in times past made the most beautiful and inspiring statements about God and his blessings. A lot of people could benefit from the gospel, but you'd rather talk them out of it and into a morbid, depressing disposition in which they know they're insignificant without anything to give their life any meaning. If it were up to you, before a person can repent of their sins and try to work towards a greater good they must first intellectually prove that God exists. And you wonder why society gets worser and worser year after year.
the kikes say reductive shit like "atheists just want god to go with their morals" how do you moralize things that just exist to cause suffering? cancer has no concept of good or bad but it sure causes nothing but bad and if there is a creator who made it that way, it is definitely malevolent and non-deserving of love-based faith
>>544341254God made a world where you have to suffer to do something worthwhile? Sounds sadistic to me.
>>544341254Man’s problem is that he’s using himself as a reference rather than God for his teleological orientation and this is why factions exist over the slightest differences. Idolations mechanics are expressed teleologically, satan tries to make teleology do something only ontology can, hence, he strives to be maximally comparative within a finite context, asks ontological questions and demands teleological answers.
>>544341371I didn't post that. I posted this life contains suffering and in it are some of the most beautiful and inspiring statements about God and his blessings. It takes humility. You're going to hate this quote so I'm eager to post it. You probably hate the man associated with it as well so even better. I hope you drown in the deep end. Lord forgive me.>"The purpose of your life is far greater than your own personal fulfillment... You were made for God, not vice versa, and life is about letting God use you for his purposes, not using him for your own purpose."Rick Warren
>>544341754I don't get it, what am I supposed to hate here?
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