Is NAFO finally waking up and forcing ukraine to surrender claims to Russian lands? Millions of Ukrainians have died trying to seize Crimea from Russia already
>>544344799Millions is nothing to nafo troons they wont let that fight end till the last hohol is dead
>>544344799its just trump and his monkey business in middle easthe cornered himself and doesnt know what to do nowslightly smarter monkeys will abuse the shit out of him now
>>544344799It's too early Trump, we need more slavic deaths in order to have enough room for our plans.
I don't want Russia to win. But realistically how does this war end without Ukraine giving up some territory? Give me the roadmap and I'll endorse it.
>>544344799>unfreeze measly russian assets in america>demand europe to unfreeze the restGreat plan donnie, sure it will not fail
>>544344923>till the last hohol is deadhe doesn't know
>>544344923This is true.
>>544345394Till the last refinery
>>544345461wow what a nice flag
>>544344799If you let a nation start seizing land without a fight it will not stop at one piece of land.The baltics would be next, then probably a revisit to the caucasus. After all Russia = Soviet Union and Stalin was Georgian so clearly Georgia is Russian! And if you say otherwise you're an evil globalist NAFO tranny!
>>544345839Almost didn't pick up on your sarcasm for a second anon
Little GAYTO couldn't deliver their full goypower they promised ukraine.The ponzi scheme grift is exposed. Ukraine expected being backed by hundreds of thousands of GAYTO ZOGbots.But it ended up on kokols paying the ultimate price.I actually expected this outcome. XD
>>544345260>But realistically how does this war end without Ukraine giving up some territory?There's no realistic scenario of that sort. Best Ukraine can hope for is picrel. Landlocked and the capital moved from Kyiv to Lvov (to be renamed Lvyiv), essentially a no-mans land, not posing a threat to Russia in the foreseeable future. Russia will simply not accept Ukraine being a functional state after the Russian blood bled and repeated insidious Western diplomatic 'efforts'. They're well aware of the US foreign policy. It's there for anyone to read. Russia's the grand prize for the megalomaniacal West, who in their hubris aspire to outdo Hitler (pbuh) and Napoleon, and conquer Russia and hilariously balkanize it.Mark my words: The EUSSR and/or the US will collapse before the Russian Federation does.
>>544344799>when you start a war against iran and russia helps iran fight that war against you so you help russia against ukraine so that russia can help iran against you even harder
>>544345394Is having a Ukrainian wife worth it?
>>544346637Not evryone thinks with their dicks like you do, mutt.Some people have totally different drives. XD
I would truly love to know what the average ukrainain thinks is a legitimately achievable goal 5 years into this war...like what does the ukraine ACTUALLY think is going to happen now..?ukrainians cant seriously believe they will ever reconquor the 1991 borders...do they?theyre cut off from starlink, US intelligence is single smug comment out of zelensky from being gone foreversurely...ukrainians dont still believe dogshit like the big 'crimean beach party' are just an offensive or 2 away...what is (seriously) ukraines 'win condition'? what do they think the end of this war looks like for them?>"the death of Putin!">"the collapse of "Putins regime!"Russia is never going to "just go away!" its not going to happen. not ever..what do 'ukro-nationalists' think the end of this war will be?nato utterly expended itself..it has nothing left to send, no wunderwaffe, no magic weapons, no alien tech nothing... if anything nato itself has no answer to simple fucking drones....so how could they possibly have some grand-strategy for 'defeating Russia' on Russian soil? I am completely lost as to what ukraine/nato realistically hopes to achieve..they cant seriously believe they will instigate a coup in Russia still.. do they....?do ukrainians seriously believe their male population is worth -3.5% on Gazproms Q3 profit report..?
>>544346571Delete this
>>544344799What Russian lands? I dunno if you knew this, but RUSSIAN lands are in RUSSIA
>>544347655>they cant seriously believe they will instigate a coup in Russia still.. do they....?Two scenarios are considered.1. Maximizing the "economic and political costs" for Russia, essentially hoping for a black swan regime changing event. Drone and media campaigns are largely about causing this necessary demoralizing environment. Prigozhin motivated them to believe it's possible.2. Turning the conflict as low intensity as possible, ideally freezing it at the current lines.If the conflict is stopped or slowed down, things can be stabilized. They all but openly admit that they want to use a ceasefire as a breather to safely adopt the steel porcupine strategy, where it would be impossible to resume an attack on Ukraine as it would be built up for heavy deterrence.The only problem is, for some unknown reason Russia rejects all the ceasefire proposals.This has been going on since 2024, it's just over 2 years of back and forth with nothing changing diplomatically. The western leaders just gather around to figure out which approach to shill for in the coming couple weeks and see if it has an effect on Russia, so either of the scenarios could be progressed.Everyone would love for the war to be over, but nobody wants to be accountable for being the one who gives up. The boiling point is going to be reached eventually and it's a game of hot potato with the ever increasing interest on the consequences of playing it.Probably too early to judge whether the US allegedly pulling the plug on the intel is a real happening or a psyop, but the US admin would clearly rather be anywhere but in the Ukrainian mess right now.
