Would the country of Ukraine really be that much worse off as a part of Russia, or as a satellite state occupying a position similar to Belarus? Did, or still, do the Ukrainian majority population still want to join the European Union? Could anons kindly explain what happened between the breakdown of the Soviet Union to now, to cause Ukrainians to detest Russia and Russian identity, when both started off as post-Soviet states in the 1990s?
>>544349564>Did, or still, do the Ukrainian majority population still want to join the European Union?More than before the war. You bet all the sympathy for Russia is gone.
Simply compare Belarus to Poland. What would the average goyim choose?
>Just let us invade you goy
>>544349564The first question is, why would anyone want to join the EU? The answer is simple, money.The question then is, why does the EU have money? Well, German/French industry/exports subsidized by the buying power of the US dollar(world's reserve currency).And the real question is, can the EU sustain itself without cheap Russian commodities, the French West African Empire, and the petrodollar?
my guess is most of the EU frogs bailed to EU by nowones left probably don't want shit to do with anybody anymore
>>544349564Ukraine had its EU dream concretely set since 2005. But Ukraine being Little Russia, aka corrupt shithole but even worse, they ofc wasted 20 years fucking over themselfs. Yanukovich was elected on a premise he is going to bring ukraine in eu, but he just wasted the IMF loans and instead stagnated the whole of Ukraine economy. Its also worth noting that unlike any other post soviet states who thoroughly went thru with economic shock therapy, Ukraine up to 2014 used to hold its economy on gold and resources reserves.In 2014 when EU finally drew the requirments Yanukovich realized it is literally impossible to bring hoholstan to meet them. Both economic and political. Ofc with the unrest growing and Obama adm being involved he left for Russia so the EU just wouldnt just extradite him back.So the best Ukraine has achieved for its EU dream is a visa-free entry after 20 or so years. Funny enough 10 millions or so hohols have achieved this dream and now probably wont return back.The hatred against Russia was there since day one, its just that to not be hated by post soviet countries you need to endlessly give them money, thats why Ukraine remained pretty friendly up until 2014 when they sucked off from our pipelines and their trading position. I can elaborate on any point if needed but thats like the basics
>>544350364Ukrainian demographics got severely diminished. The ones left, it makes me wonder about the kinds of people who stayed. Are most die-hard patriots from the years 2022 or 2023 still alive, and still patriotic, at that? Presumably, a lot of their Army got hit hard, I don't know how many o the original soldiers are still around from the start of the 2022 Ukraine-Russia War.
>>544349867>Simply compare Belarus to Poland. What would the average goyim choose?Yes, the EU is/was rich. Eastern European states wanted a piece of that wealth. And the United States wanted to break Eastern Europe from Russia and use it to encircle and threaten Russia.The real question is, why would Germany want Poland and other Eastern European welfare leeches in their union? Can Europe compete with China and other rising industrial powers? What happens to Europe if it can't export and is forced to pay high energy costs?
>>544350558EU started as your pet project. Given the main reason it is there in the first place its not a secret why US and its stooges across europe dont want europe to be an independent economic power>why would Germany want Poland and other Eastern European welfare leeches in their union?its still a market for eu based companies to suck off profits from local buisnesses and capitals. You pay less for workers and get profits going to Frankfurt or Paris
>>544350776>EU started as your pet project.Yes. The EU and NATO serve the same fundamental purpose. To keep the Russians out.
>>544350776>>544350887At some point, it became more than just an economic union. Are they still trying to assemble a European Union Army force, independent to any of the national forces?
>>544349564I think they just like dramahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phKRwd8ArhI
>>544350484>it makes me wonder about the kinds of people who stayed.Ukrainian women are allowed to leave, they are all over Europe. there is no border for them.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuNQ2fkifUc
>>544350558>Eastern European welfare leechesFirst of all, it gave the EU (((foreign investors))) to buy everything and extract profits. Secondly EU supports its own infrastructure to improve the profit extraction. And thirdly the eastern European commies all marched into the EU after Berlin was unified. Like Kaja Kallas communist father or Angela Merkel. All by design. There is no welfare, retard. Only investments.
>>544353532Invest in what? None of you have resources or industries. The overarching purpose of the EU was to create a "United Europe" against Russia. This would not only keep the Russians out, but create Eastern European dependencies who would do what they're told. The EU, like NATO, was created in opposition to Russia, not to make Europe independent or a superpower. Which is why it was America who constantly pushed both the EU and NATO even over objections from Germany and France.
>>544352638Bitch looks like a Tatar. Says Bandera is her father. Did Russians make this to make Ukrainians look stupid?
>>544353982>tldtIts all kike bullshit. You (for now) are the golem #1. The whole world is ran by dividr and rule bankers and industrialists, fucking kids in their secret society meetings. Pretending otherwise is low IQ
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>>544349564Honestly, I couldn't give a fuck about these Slavic niggers. In any case, it’s not even the real Europe. The Russians, that’s not the real Europe, it’s the East, some distant lands, it’s got nothing to do with me. I’m English, of Scottish and Irish descent, for fuck’s sake. Are you shitting me? Russia? That’s got nothing to do with me dude. Not White. America shouldn't get involved with these Arabs, Niggers, Spics, Turks, Jeets, Slavs. Only Western Europe is White. Frankly, if it's east of Germany it's Asia to me.
>>544349564Yes. Allowing an autocracy to land grab is intolerable.
>>544354180Money rules, but are you saying that it is the same money across borders? Or competing money? Are China, Russia, Iran, America, and the EU all run by the same clique? Or separate cliques?
>>544349564Surely Ukrainians wouldn't be subjected to 100 years of humiliation for all the shit they've done to Russia over the course of the war, surely you have an IQ above 70
>>544354334Ok let me tell you about your country again>Such famous names as Forbes, Perkins, Roosevelt and Hathaway appear in the records of the British East India Company. These genuine American "bluebloods" created Russell and Company, whose main trade was in opium, but also ran other shipping enterprises from China to South America and all points in between. As a reward for their services to the British Crown and the BEIC, the Crown granted them a monopoly in the slave trade in 1833.>Skull and Bones, also known as The Order, Order 322, or The Brotherhood of Death, is an undergraduate senior secret society at Yale University in New Haven, Connecticut, founded in December 1832 by William Huntington Russell and Alphonso Taft.>William Howard Taft, the 27th U.S. President and Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, was one of the earliest prominent Bonesmen, initiated in 1878.>The Bush family has deep ties to Skull and Bones, with George H. W. Bush (class of 1948) and his son George W. Bush (class of 1968) both becoming U.S. Presidents. George H. W. Bush served as Director of the CIA and Ambassador to China, while his father, Prescott Bush, was also a Bonesman and U.S. Senator.>John Kerry, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee and later U.S. Secretary of State, was tapped in 1966, making the 2004 election notable for having both major candidates as members.>Henry Luce, founder of Time, Life, and Fortune magazines, was a highly influential media figure and member (class of 1920), known within the society by the nickname “Baal.”
>>544354334CHINK FLU, HELLO??>1910 Flexner Report, which standardized training around germ theory and allopathic medicine. They established the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research (now The Rockefeller University) in 1901 and used massive philanthropic grants to enforce strict scientific standards>The Rockefeller Foundation officially launched its involvement in China in 1914 by establishing the China Medical Board (CMB) to develop modern medicine and public health. John D. Rockefeller Jr. initiated the project after sending investigation teams to China between 1909 and 1915, leading to the 1917 opening of the Peking Union Medical College (PUMC) as the foundation's flagship institution.>Funded Nazi eugenicists like Ernst Rüdin, Otmar von Verschuer, and Eugen Fischer, whose work influenced>compulsory sterilization>Founded the "Population Council" in 1952.>The "Lock Step" scenario published in May 2010 by the Rockefeller Foundation in collaboration with the Global Business Network. It appeared in a report titled Scenarios for the Future of Technology and International Development. The scenario describes a """hypothetical""" world in 2012 where a deadly pandemic leads to tighter top-down government control and more authoritarian leadership globally.They also did the Spanish flu in Kansas a century prior>Frederick L. Gates, a physician and scientist at the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research, who conducted an experimental bacterial meningitis vaccine trial on soldiers at Fort Riley, Kansas, between January and June 1918.>The first documented case of the Spanish flu occurred on March 4, 1918, when U.S. Army cook Private Albert Gitchell reported symptoms at Camp Funston, Fort Riley, Kansas
>>544354479I know everything, but you didn't answer my question.
just look at russia, it’s a miserable shitholenobody would join voluntarily except if you’re living in an even bigger shitholeevery russian with money sends their children to live in London, Paris, New York or Berlin
>>544354555If chink flu didn't answer it...i can't hekp you. Its Belt and Road time, baby. Dedollarize and kick out mutts from new trade routes
>>544354649>If chink flu didn't answer it.It doesn't answer jack shit. 1901 was also long before the Chinese Civil War. Were both sides of the Chinese Civil War run by the same people? I really have no fucking idea what you're saying. You're just spouting schizo nonsense.
>>544349864"Sympathy"? Bro half the fucking population were Russian. We must destroy thee NATO fucking dogs that did all this. How much are you nafo faggots even paid?
>>544354750Read it again and look those things up. There is only so much context i can give. Use your head.
>>544349564Ask Pripyat
>>544354614>it’s a miserable shitholeAs compared to what?>every russian with money sends their children to live in London, Paris, New York or BerlinThis mostly has to do with social/political networking. Same reason Kim Jong Un went to school in Switzerland. These are basically future diplomats and businessmen.
>>544354848So you're saying the Chinese government is run by the Rockefellers/Jews? What exactly are you saying it. Stop playing games.
>>544354614>>544349564Ukraine wanting to sell natural gas, steel, and grain to Europe and align with the EU common market makes economic sense. The EUs market since 2014 has been 7-8+ times that of Russia. Russias entire economy is smaller than Italy alone despite having 2.4 times Italys population. The EU also has development funds. The 2013-2014 agreement with the EU would’ve reduced 95%+ of tariffs between the two and put Ukraine on the path to EU membership. Then Russia violated Ukraines territorial integrity in violation of the 1994 Memorandum on Security Assurances in Connection with Ukraine’s Accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. Russia, the UK, and the USA signed this treaty together. Russia annexed Crimea in 2014. They armed separatists and sent uninformed troops to Donbas. Then started a general invasion against Ukraine in 2022. There was no carve out to the treaty just because Russia became upset Ukraine was turning towards the West economically.Ukraine is losing people and economic activity, but so is Russia. They violated numerous treaties to do this, started a land war in Europe, and are Slavs are killing fellow Slavs.
>>544355120thats so factually wrong i m not suprised why people pretend yanukovich is pro russian>The 2013-2014 agreement with the EU would’ve reduced 95%+ of tariffs between the two and put Ukraine on the path to EU membershipproblem is that would never be achieved under any circumstances and even it was, in imaginary lands, Ukraine would not sell a single commodity to EU markets because that would require abiding to eu standartization which is impossible for them. Again you guys dont know jack and keep a straight face nonthelesss :^)
>>544355120>Then Russia violated Ukraines territorial integrity in violation of the 1994 Memorandum on Security Assurances in Connection with Ukraine’s Accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.Did anything else happen? Seems like you forgot something important.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZkfCozBUPQ>Ukraine is losing people and economic activity, but so is Russia.Ukraine has lost half its population. Russia's population is increasing. Ukraine has no economy outside of western gibs. Russia's economy continues to grow entirely on its own and in the face of massive sanctions.
>>544355030Noo, communism is not jewish at all.
>>544355030>>Jiang Zemin played a pivotal role in transforming China into the "world's factory" and integrating it into the global economy. As General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party from 1989 to 2002, he advanced Deng Xiaoping’s reform agenda>Securing China’s accession to the World Trade Organization (WTO) in 2001>Promoting the "Going Out" strategy (launched in 1999), which encouraged Chinese companies to invest abroad, expand global influence, and secure resources.>Welcoming private entrepreneurs into the CCP through his "Three Represents" theory, which helped fuel the rise of China’s private sector and tech giants like Alibaba.
>>544355259The Baltics and former Warsaw Pact switched from GOST standards and aligned themselves with the EU and western standards. It’s been done before.
>>544355304>communism is not jewish at all.Communism is a Hegelian dialectic you fucking retard. Same with nationalism and every other ism. Communism is no more Jewish than Nazism. Dialectics are meant to mobilize the masses as a means of achieving power.
>>544349867Belarus is 100% white. Poland is 70% white.
>>544349864Nope, there are plenty of Pro-Russian Ukrainians in Eastern Ukraine and Odessa
>>544355324Yes, the Soviet Union helped spread communism for the purpose of overthrowing European empires. Communism in practice is anti-imperialism. And Nazism was a dialectic designed to overthrow communism.
>>544355372No, its inspired by the talmud. Marx came from a line of rabbis. >>544355383Is thay why Belarus is overflowing its shitskins to Poland and Latvia?
>>544355303Getting a bailout and some austerity in favor of having unlimited access to near unlimited access to the EU market is immensely valuable. Regardless, the Russian Federation signed a treaties to respect Ukraines territorial integrity and flagrantly violated them. The Ukrainian legislature got rid of Yanukovych. He could’ve not fired on a bunch of protestors whose movement was fizzling out. He fucked up. Then protests around the country grew to hundreds of thousands.
>>544355120Russia's population increased by 6 million with recently conquered territories.
>>544355442Nigga, Belarus is 100% white
>>544355465And their economy is still smaller than Italy’s and more than 8 times smaller than the EUs. With GDP per capita being flat ever since they annexed Crimea and the first wave of sanctions went in.
>>544355458Nope, that protest was staged by the West
>>544355441>Larry McDonald, a Democratic U.S. Congressman from Georgia and chairman of the John Birch Society, was a anti-communist who frequently accused powerful elites of orchestrating a "New World Order". He claimed the Rockefeller family and their allies were working to establish a one-world government that merged "SUPERCAPITALISM and COMMUNISM" under elite control, often citing the United Nations, Council on Foreign Relations and Trilateral Commission as key instruments of this conspiracy.>McDonald was killed on September 1, 1983, when Soviet fighter jets shot down Korean Air Lines Flight 007https://youtu.be/RXIdbSKRu0A
>>544355522No one cares, West has been saying Russia's economy is going to collapse for 10+ years now Nothing happened.
>>544355527It’s impossible for hundreds of thousands to all be western agents.
>>544355336they didnt lol. Even ignoring the fact that most of Warsaw pacts countries were irrelevant and had their whole reconstruction funded by EU and IMF, baltics, Poland and others didnt had strict requirements to EU ascension as Ukraine was presented. Baltics still cant get rid of russian rails, they still use russian housing infrastructure and most of their former economy was eliminated. Almost all factories that were soviet were closed. Why do you think that after 20 years of Ukraine trying to enter EU they are not a single step closer to being a memberstate? You dont know what you are talking about. Yes EU is bigger and profitable, but who said that Ukraine will be able to sell a single pack of wheat there? You realize EU also respects its economic interests of its memberstates or is that also foreign to you?
>>544349564Ukraine was the poorest country in Europe, even before the war.
>>544355442>No, its inspired by the talmud.Communism was the antithesis to the thesis(the existing order). Basically, it was the opposition to capitalism/European imperialism. It wasn't Jewish or inspired by the Talmud. It was simply the means Jews used to subvert the Russian Empire so they could take control of it. These dialectics go back to at least the French Revolution when the French basically used opposition to the monarchy(egalite, liberty, fraternity) as a means of overthrowing the governments of Europe and taking control of them. While also mobilized hundreds of thousands of European men to invade Russia and beyond. Nazism served the same purpose. Russia's pretense of being traditional, or Christian, or whatever, is just another attempt to exploit the dialectic for means of geopolitical power.
>>544355508>100%Its whiter than your bumhole, but Belarus is going along with the agenda
>>544355555Russians are objectively worse off economically than the counterfactual of them respecting Ukraines territorial integrity and using Ukraine as a transshipment hub to exploit the fact they had trade agreements with both Russia and a pending one with the EU.
>>544355458>the Russian Federation signed a treatiesIt wasn't a treaty you fucking retard. It was essentially a "Memorandum of understanding". And the United States overthrew the Ukrainian government and installed anti-Russian crazies after William Burns warned that it would lead to a Civil War that Russia didn't want.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXZLFmpLDPk
>>544355584If taking the property of goyim, enslaving dissidents in the gulags and killing them is not jewish, I don't know whay is, rabbi
>>544355624>using Ukraine as a transshipment hub to exploit the fact they had trade agreements with both Russia and a pending one with the EU.absolute fucking ignorance. Russia doesnt allow this shit and if you actually cared about the topic, you would knew that is something that Putin said to Yanukovich when he was considering the EU ascension path
>>544349564>The Ukraine in Russiasame people you can tell difference1) create illusion of duality 2) pick a side (pick a gun) 3) step a side and fall (kill each other)works every time
>>544355624Nope, West would have screwed over Russia.It was better for Russia to annex all Pro Russian Ukrainian territories.
>>544355598Shut the fuck up. Estonians are Uralic mongols.Belarus is whitest country in the world percentage wise. And Russia is the country with the largest white population.
>>544355534Yes, the Jews want to use finance to dominate the entire planet. And certainly, the "Sino-Soviet split" whereby China was "Opened" for trade to separate them from the Soviet Union, was part of their goal to anchor China into the globalist system and allow for the takeover of China's resources, industries, and markets. But just because Jews want to do something doesn't mean they've already achieved it.So again, are China, Russia, Iran, America, and the EU all run by the same people? Yes or no.
>>544355789I wasn't comparing dicks, but i guess im a viking rape baby. Mongols never came in our swamp. They are homies
>>544355571Ukraine has been been dealing with foreign occupation ever since 2014. Regardless the Baltics are still working on infrastructure alignment, are getting paid for it, and still have satisfied the EU enough with standards to have access to the EU single market. All the Baltics have 1.75-2.25 times the gdp per capita of Russia. Estonia: €31000, Latvia: €29460, Lithuania: €23560Russia: €13949 after conversion Why would the Baltics want to be more like Russia economically?
>>544355794Yes. Look when Rockefellers were kicked out of China and when were they invited back.
>>544355840Estonians literally originated from Asia. That's why many of you have slanty eyes
>>544355675>If taking the property of goyim, enslaving dissidents in the gulags and killing them is not jewishThat came afterwards and had nothing to do with Marxism. Jews used socialism/communism to seize power. Everything that came after was a product of Jews having power. Just look at Ukraine.
>>544355876Balts just leech off EU.Ukraine has always been a poor corrupt shithole.
>>544349564Hmmm, let's seeHohols in Russia>aren't bussyfied>free to leave>free to vote>receive pensions>have basic human rights >enjoy the basic benefits of civilization>and many-many moreHohols in Hoholistan>none of the above The right question would be: >Are there still reasons that justifies the existing of the Ukrainian independent state project? And the right answer would be:>No
>>544355901If Jews control everything, what's the point of the Iran War? Or the Ukraine War?
>>544349564>to cause Ukrainians to detest Russia and Russian identity,cia been fucking around in hoholand, stirring up shit since the 1950'sits all on you, as usual.
>>544349867>What would the average goyim choose?the average goyim is retarded and should be given choices because they always choose wrong
>>544355876another fucking cretin who only thinks in numbers like an ai bot. Baltics are in EU because they are useless irrelevant shitholes, not because they have done some unremarkable progress. Nigger Ukraine was presented with 10 times harsher requirements to join EU. One of them was COMPLETE restructure of the whole rail system that even baltics couldnt achieve despite their sizes>All the Baltics have 1.75-2.25 times the gdp per capita of Russiaso what? What is it made of? Overpriced commieblocks from the 80s and some expensive fish sardines? Baltics dont make shit, they dont have shit and most of their companies that make up the service economy of GDP are either German or French>Why would the Baltics want to be more like Russia economically?they dont? But being a leech isnt something as easy for 40 million people as for 3 million chihuahuas
>>544349564Russians and Ukrainians are culturally and genetically same people.
>>544350484>The ones left, it makes me wonder about the kinds of people who stayed.for many of them, you dont understand the real idea of ... land.
>>544355912I have big blue ones. Are you pro gook or antigook, im confused>>544355979Only thing we will see is jews siding with the east once US is kicked out and humiliated in the middle east. Same jewish bankers already have the NWO ready to roll outhttps://www.jpost.com/opinion/israel-and-the-unexpected-new-world-order-499310>For the Western world, strong new alliances between certain non-Western countries constitute something of a mystery. But while the West is distracted by political uprisings and remains enamored with the idea of its own “manifest destiny,” a new world order is emerging, dominated by up-and-coming global superpowers like Russia, China and India.>China has started another initiative that, according to global economist Jean-Pierre Lehmann, could bring about “the most dramatic transformation of the world economy since the Industrial Revolution.”>The project is called the Belt and Road Initiative. Unveiled only four years ago, it will take an estimated $7.5 trillion to develop. But the benefit is nothing less than an explosion of prosperity, not just for participating countries but for the whole world. No less than 75 nations have joined the Silk Road Chamber of International Commerce.>Members include all the Eastern Goliaths: China, Russia and India. For those keeping an eye on Israel, other notable members along with the Jewish state include Syria, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Egypt, Qatar and the Palestinian Territories.>Because China’s most important land “road” runs straight through the countries in this region. A second major route is noted below.>Most importantly, Israel is positioned to guard the world’s Internet. Everything today is traded, controlled and administered online.
>>544353982you are really wrong here
>>544349867Białoruspooland is a fake nation anyways
>>5443495643pbtidAll true americans WILL lay down their lives for the glory of the 21st century russian empire.
>>544355645Soros is a Jew and he is not standing by him self but there is Jewish united effort to start war, kill off lockal population and build New Khazaria with pajeet goyim . There is no conflict among jews everything goes by mutual agreement
>>544355120nice copy pasta from cia handbook
>>544349564Russia decided in the early 2000s that Ukrainians were not a brother nation, and therefore could be given the same "parasitic alliance" system they give to all the sphere of influenceParasistic alliance system in a nutshell:>support tin pot autocrats and hyper corrupt political parties who collapse their own country (lukashenko, maduro, assad and other retards whose name i forget in giorgia, moldova, armenia, kazahkstan, and other stans)>falseflag and astroturf the fuck out of the local political system when people wise up to the game and start calling russians out>when their government begins to collapse, offer to help them stay in power in exchange for completely one sided economic deals (lukashenko, kazahjstan, assad)>if you can literally scam them by giving them the illusion of protection with no intention of ever helping them, EVEN BETTER (maduro, armenia)They should have not done this with Ukraine or Belarus, but Putin is just too fucking Slavic to understand constructive alliances.He was shocked to his core when EuroMaidan happened and he discovered Ukrainians hate Russia for propping up the shittiest politicians they've ever known. By then there was no fixing it, so he decided to literally go to war with them and destroy any chance of mutual support they closest to their culture there is for multiple generations.Fuck up for the history books.
>>544349564Its not like pro-eu only but also anti-russia. Also pro-russian population suffered the most from their beloved putin invasion, lol.
>>544356149Do you actually believe the Jews control China? Do you actually believe the Jews are using China to defeat their #1 golem America so they can move global power to a country where Jews cannot pass as locals? And where they have no religion(cuckstianity) for Jews to manipulate?How does that make any sense?>>544356200If Jews controlled everything they wouldn't need to create an elaborate show to get what they want. They could simply take it.
>>544356181>you are really wrong hereBut I'm not, retard.
>>544356080Can I ask why Russians are so obsessed with the Baltics? If they're useless irrelevant shitholes, why do you care what they do? Why do you desperately want them back, just let them be a drain on the EU.
>>544356200Scott Bessent the treasury secretary is gay married to a homo faggot and theres a 99% chance theyre raping aids directly into the two sons they "gaydopted."Scott bessent also spent two decades working for George soros.
>>544356299Literally who is this guy? He definitely does NOT pass
>>544356285what do you think of my post >>544356234
>>544356286Who invites China to WTO? What (((amwrican))) manufacturers outsourced everything to China? How many secrets did Israel hand over to China?
>>544349564Reminder that nobody asked Okraina to be a satellite state to Russia. All that was asked was to stay neutral. But the hohol animal cannot be reasoned with.
>>544356301i couldnt care less about them. And 90% of russians dont care about them either. I mentioned them because one of your low-iq countrymen decided to use them as a counter-argument. I m more obsessed about Finland cause it is an actual good state and i would ve loved to visit it again sometime.
>>544356299i see you are even too stupid to begin something like educating yourselfso go fuck yourself, you stupid nigger loving cocksucker
>>544356344Do you know why? Instead of creating schizo theories, maybe you should learn what the Sino-Soviet split was and read the RAND study. Do you even know what the Sino-Soviet split was?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv02AsNATAg&t=3249shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nsc6-hF1WTg&t=1353shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL8LMwNCt2w&t=1844shttps://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html
>>544356406>wasExactly
>>544356387Why did she say that you fucking moron?https://www.dw.com/en/merkel-stands-by-past-ukraine-nato-decision-after-zelenskyy-criticism/a-61359003https://www.dw.com/en/angela-merkel-opens-up-on-ukraine-putin-and-her-legacy/a-62052345
>>544356444i see you are so retarded you cant even remember what copy pasta lies you posted before, 23 post low iq nigger
>>544350484The ones who left are all criminals and conmen just like they always were
>>544356431US strategy was to keep Russia and China apart. And even more importantly, to keep Russia afraid of China.To put it simply, the reason we built China up was to terrify Russia into subordination. Go listen to a few minutes of Dugin talking about China. Or go listen to a couple minutes of Richard Nixon talking about why the Sino-Soviet was so important. Go read the RAND study that discusses keeping Russia poor and unstable through military threats and containment(IE why the Soviet Union collapsed in the first place).Basically, what you think is some kind of Jewish conspiracy, was actually America strategy to keep Russia and China apart and in conflict, and to try to take control of Chinese markets through investment and dependency. But Xi Jinping isn't a cuck like democratic countries and he imprisons oligarchs and foreign interests who try to exploit China or exercise political influence. Which is why Jews are basically willing to start WWIII. Their power is slipping away.
>>544356555I never lie. Show me a lie or stfu.
>>544356669Since you didn't look up when Rockefellers were kicked out, it was 1950. And in 1980 they were invited back and China got integrated slowly into the globaö market and by being the best sweat shop for jewish manufactuters. Ask me a bunch more stupid questions with no intent to answer any of mine.
>>544356343Agree, our political systems grew from the one soviet root, so russia decided it would be easy if they just use the same approach, that's why we still have a lot of corrupted politics on every level, and sometimes it's hard to dig them up. Also the soviet population was told not to think bcs the Party will do it, so they slowly learning how to be responsible for their own choices. That's why it breaks in early 2000s - they started noticing the slow return of the ussr and russian influence everywhere.
>>544356694whining about your jews has nothing to do with your first post that i said you were wrong about.this is how desperate and faggoty you are already, and you are only 24 posts in, you disorganized retarded lying cunt.
>>544356669>US strategy was to keep Russia and China apart.That's not your "strategy" that's just how the natural order of that relationship has always been. Your "strategy", however, brought them closer than ever.
>>544356286To take national property you need to kill nation owner of that property so that no one claims it in courts or by other means. Jew Zelensky alredy sold richest soil of the world in Ukraine to the Jews that own BlackRock. War is hyper military gear consumption and enormous opportunity to steal with excuse, that it get destroyed in the flames of war . People in desperation sell their wealth for nearly nothing and pay enormous bribes. Sex, organs, women children trafficking booming, a lots of Jews making money . Prey is down it is time to eat. War will ends when everything possible will be consumed. People don't do stupid shit for free, that what are money for. Men are hunted for bribe, organs or to the front line, one way ticket. There is no other options.
>>544356794>our "strategy", however, brought them closer than ever.its even more laughable than the borat, GREAT SUCESSthis is how stupid americans truly are.faggots like this >>544356694moronic cocksucker must work in the state dept.
>>544356299Victoria double citizen ship with Israel Jew she actually appointed Ukrainians government that are 100% Jewish
>>544356807You cropped this picture because people pointed out the obviously AI generated windows on the building in the background. Why take you seriously now?
>>544349898The fact that no one tried to refute this speaks volumes. Subhumans go home. TZD.
>>544349867We have so many polish workers here doing slave labour for pocket change. They are like Mexicans are to Americans. Like Indians are to Singaporeans. Whenever i see the polish flag here, then that’s all I can think about. That their country sucks so much that they have to come here and be litteral slaves. I don’t see people from Belarus doing this tho. So I guess that’s my answer.
>>544356753I ACKNOWLEDGED ALL OF THIS, RETARD. Go listen to Richard Nixon and stop arguing with me.>>544356793So I didn't lie then. Thanks.>>544356794>Your "strategy", however, brought them closer than ever.Russia and China aren't friends. They still hate each other. Russia doesn't want to end up as a Chinese vassal/dependency. Which is what China wants them to be. Had we not built China up(or remained hostile), China would be dependent on Russia, the Soviet Union wouldn't have collapsed, and Russia wouldn't need to even think about a threat from China.All America has to do is pull back from Eurasia and that alliance instantly falls apart."The West" is still hoping to force Russia to capitulate by convincing Russia that it is better to be a US vassal than a Chinese vassal. And making sure Russia understands these are the only options.
>>544356864Sorry I missread your post.Yeah, amerikikes have this "grand strategist" schizophrenic opinions of themselves and everything happens exactly how they planned it, theorhetically, that is, practically though odds are against them.
>>544357192>listen to Richard Nixon and stop arguing with meLolmao
>>544357225LMFAO!!That is pretty funny I do agree.
>>544357124Give Belarus visa-free entry to Norway. Lets see then
>>544357304>Give Belarus visa-free entry to Norway.well we all can see giving you and your nigger chicuachsa visa free entry anywhere was a massive mistake.russians did us all a great favor by keep you all locked up
>>544357275It's funny to see you saying things that seem self-evident to you, but are at best logical-leaps with no supporting evidence, and at worst total nonsense.Here, since you don't want to watch the videos. This is the text..."Even if there were no Soviet Union, it was essential that the United States move now and move when it did in rapprochement with China, and the reason is that fundamentally 1/4th of all the people in the world live in the People's Republic of China, it has enormous natural resources, and the Chinese people, as Chinese are among the most capable people in the world. Look what they've done in Taiwan, look in non-communist areas, in Hong Kong, in Singapore, Thailand, San Francisco, you name it. And once that power is mobilized it is going to be an enormous force in the world, for good or for bad. I think DeGaulle hit it in 1969 most effectively when he said cryptically, better for you to recognize China when they need you than wait till later when their power is such that you'll need them. So in order to build the kind of world that we want our grandchildren to live in in the 21st century it was essential that the United States, the most powerful and prosperous in the free world, have a renewed relationship with the People's Republic of China. So I say to some of those who object to that initiative, had it not been undertaken, and if China, due to the fact that they did not have any guarantee of their security from the United States vis-a-vis the Soviet Union, had been forced back under the Soviet umbrella, the geopolitical relationship and balance in the world would be almost hopelessly against us at this time." - Richard NixonIn short, without the Sino-Soviet split, we would have lost the Cold War. That's what it was about. Just because Rockefeller and Kissinger helped make the deal doesn't mean Jews control China.
>>544357224>everything happens exactly how they planned it,nothing but fail since 1940, thats the jewsa
>>544357383I don't want to leave. I'm doing just fine here. Economic migrants are often criminal scum and its good to get rid of them. Our diaspora chose Finland for obvious reasons>>544357418Ok buddy. If you say so. But i still won't memoryhole the global psyop chinkflu9000 LOL
>>544357192>All America has to do is pull back from Eurasia and that alliance instantly falls apart.Oh, there the mutt go again, everything "good and positive" which happens in the world is because they have their yankee doodle circumcized cocks jammed in the door and between relationship. Real Grand Egos those mutts have.
>>544357604It's not about being good or positive. It's about being powerful. America is powerful. Which is why we can go around kidnapping other countries presidents, murdering their leaders, and otherwise bombing brown shitholes. You are a weak cuck so you can only be our vassal, or the vassal or some other country with power.If you're crying about this dynamic it's because your country is an irrelevant shithole with no power.
>>544357124Yep, I agree with that, but then again poolaks have a slave mentality. To them not being someone's bitch is unthinkable.
>>544357928>To them not being someone's bitch is unthinkable.500 years of bring someone elses bitch tends to do that to you
>>544357840>otherwise bombing brown shitholes.you bomb brown shitholes because thats all you can dotoo scared to bomb whitestoo weak to bomb the chinksand you love niggers too much to bomb niggersyoure a retarded 3rd world shithole, everyone is laughing at you.
>>544357928>>544358087I often wonder if you peasants really think you are like Hanseaten in your minds lol. All of you plebs are slaves. Some slaves just have slightly better conditons temporarily
>>544357840>It's about being powerful.If anything, your "brilliant" show of "power" is a circus clown show which everyone laughs at. Especially with your ukranian proxie flex. That was a good one yank, and all it showed is you mutts are completely untrustworthy and will sell out your "allies" the moment they cease being useful goyim idiots to sponge off.Which is why Taiwan and Sorks are re-evaluating their standing position with China vs jewSA.Yous lost your reliable sugar daddy status, merica, but that's been clear since 9/11.
>>544349564Why do people keep saying "the Ukraine"?
>>544349564>>544349864At this point a lot of Ukrainians feel betrayed. Radical groups that hate Russia are now starting to hate Europe as well, because Europe hasn’t done enough to help them. Things will get worse as the situation in Ukraine deteriorates due to a budget shortfall that they had counted on Europe to cover. It really wouldn't be surprising if by the end of all this these people end up hating Europe and Russia equally. They already hate US because it has cut back on a lot of support.If you've been paying even a little attention to all the begging they've been doing, you might have noticed that they treat the whole thing as given. “We're fighting for Europe, so they simply have to give us as much money as we ask and not ask questions about corruption or elections”
>>544358178>All of you plebs are slaves. Some slaves just have slightly better conditons temporarilynice projection, although next time the russians come they will not enslave you again, they will eliminate you.>>544358178>really think you are like Hanseaten in your minds lol.our magyar overlords were, in some ways they were even more important than the austrians
>>544358306>"the Ukraine"?because the ukraine literally means 'the borderlands'its not a country, its a region of russia, where the jews got dumped into, because having jews in your country is bad.so stop crying, jew
>>544358318Well, Russians should worry about themselves more than anyone else. Even in the Russian empire, we abolished serfdom before Russia proper did
>>544358313>At this point a lot of Ukrainians feel betrayed. Radical groups that hate Russia are now starting to hate Europe as well, because Europe hasn’t done enough to help them.THOSE WESTERN BASTARDS STABBED US IN THE BACK.were gonna hear a lot more of that, just like vietnam and 1920s goymoney
>>544358362>Russians should worry about themselves more than anyone else.they are, which is why they are liberating russian regions now>>544358362>Even in the Russian empire, we abolished serfdom before Russia proper didAnd that turned into a multi million person empire, right ?
>>544358418>And that turned into a multi million person empire, right ?What's the point of that? Empires were always fronts for oligarchy. Its like saying 1,5 billion pajeets will now become a global empire. Kys fagot nigger
>>544358445such butthurt for absolutely nothingyoure a useless shithole, and will remain a useless shitholewe will have new northern green lights to look at, right over tallini will enjoy
>>544358528I'm not part of some genetic hivemind like you kikes. I don't live other peoples lives, i have my own lmao. You can try and keep insulting a collective, might work on some retards. To me it just shows who you are, a fat insecure little nerd grasping at insults :DDD
>>544357304>jump through as many hoops as needed to not support my claim (because it’s impossible) but to make it plausible in theory. Sure buddy. I think im going with the current reality of the situation.
>>544358583>might work on some retards.certainly worked on you
>>544358633The reality is that Belarussians go to Poland and Polaks go to Norway.
>>544358676I’m not talking about migrants. I’m talking about people who come here temporarily to make pocket change for slave labour. I would gladly move to Poland. I’m sure any neet from most other countries would live like a king there. I’m guessing that’s why people are moving there. A polish person wouldnt like moving to Norway permanently. It’s too expensive. Pocket change is a lot of money down there. Not here. I’m guessing that’s the case for the people from Belarus moving to Poland as well. It’s those with extra money who wants to live like kings.
Russia is a giant pajeet level scam of a global power. At least west offers oblivion bread and circus delusions and they have leftover wealth from post ww2 period.Russia basically offers one thing, protection from itself attacking you itself, and stable local oligarchy.
>>544358867>im not talking about migranta>im talking about economic migrants, but i won't call them thatNice pilpul
>>544358184>all it showed is you mutts are completely untrustworthy and will sell out your "allies" the moment they cease being useful goyim idiotsAmerica doesn't have allies. America has interests. Sorry if you're too stupid to understand that.
>>544349564>breakdown of the Soviet Union to nowShit stretches back like five hundred years, retard.
>>544358528> butthurtHow come Américo is rhyming with histérico ?
>>544358903>just jump through these hoopsDamn didnt work>ah grammar. Got him. Big victory for Poland.
>>544359044>America doesn't have allies.Just 1, I don't even have to mention whom that is because everyone knows. But you're probably a kike yourself so there's no point in arguing with you about "facts" and "angles" since you subversive species will just bend them in your desired directions.
>>544359207There are nearly 20,000 second generation pooplacks larping as little Ragnar now. Does that rustle your jimmies?
>>544349564All the blame is on putin because in 2013 he couldn't or wouldn't simply outplay CIA in chess. Fucking cretin went his favorite route and started a war. Now we're where we are. Relationships ruined forever.
>>544358867pooland is a shithole, this is a camping ground like a cheap hotel to temporarily stay till the scum move further west, their final destination.
>>544359388>Relationships ruined forever.NOTHING OF VALUE IS LOST, HOHOL
>>544350473>he left for RussiaYou mean he fled like a bitch, leaving his golden toilet behind?According to your own post it was literally his job to make Ukraine decent and he made it even worse. Also forgetting the convenient part where he poisoned his political opponent (Yushenko).Hatred against Russia started with attempts to install a puppet followed by invasion in crimea and donbass. You know, when enemy county literally moves tanks in your land and holds fake elections you might start hating them, that's how it works, Vanya. You pretend to be "smart big brother" but all you do with your little bro is beating him with a stick "because it's brotherly love".
>>544359332I don’t get it. Are you insulting polish people now?
>>544359643I have no dog in whitch slav is over the other. I simply pointed out YOUR superior Belarussians go to Poland and Polaks go to Norway. And if Belarus got into EU, it would run empty like Ukraine
>>544359723>it would run empty like Ukrainebut ukraine isnt in eu, and is emptying, even before the war and before 2014
>>544359723And I’m saying that my experience with.. what do you call them? Pooplacks? Is them acting like slaves for pocket change, while that’s not my expression of the people from Belarus.
>>544359781Different circumstances over open borders. Same outcome. The iron curtain wasn't there to keep anyone from coming in lol
>>544359782Is true, Belarussians have a different mentality, I'd say more honor and higher IQ to go with it.
>>544359877Yikes!
>>544360005Maybe you had different experiences, I'm just telling you mine.
>>544354779>Bro half the fucking population were Russian.There's you answer why they hate Russia.
>>544349564Not all of Ukraine. They deserve that.The truth is also that the Donbas has had an ethnic Russian majority for centuries.The collapse of the USSR was a spontaneous event, and the Donbas has always voted pro-Russian.Should Russia have all of Ukraine? No.Should Russia have the Donbas? Yes.Should we still make the war as costly as possible? Common sense.
>>544360153In the end, which every way you slice it, might makes right.Russians know this, and they practice it.
>>544360213>In the end, which every way you slice it, might makes right.Reality is more complex than that. Group dynamics alone completely refute your bullshit dogma.
>>544360352I'm guessing it's because of this dogma half of your, and this shithole, got their uppity asses handed to them, and not the other way around.
Thing is that both Ukraine and Russia have legit methods to their mutual madness. Ukraine has been treated horribly by Russia at certain points through history and Putin is a surly, obstinate soviet boomer reading his part of the MIC:s script just as much as Zelensky is reading lines the MIC gives him. But Ukraine also acts a fool selling itself out to western oligarchs instead.It's a mess and lunacy from all directions.
>>544360723Once the anglokike promised them the possibility of the entire ponzi scheme of GAYTO deploying in yookraine as meat shields, they saw it as an ultimate winning move which would turn yookraine into an everlasting pissrael 2.0.Hook, Line and Sinker.
>>544360831Heh, just like pooland, imagine that!
>>544349564>cause Ukrainians to detest Russia and Russian identityFirst of all - Ukrainians never considered themselves as Russians. Enven inside Soviet Union Ukrainians never was considered as Russians. First - Ukrainian identity was denied during Russian Empire and became denied during Putin. Second - Ukrainian language was replaced by Russian during soviet time as it was state politics to prioritize Russian as state language. Third - it is the west who considered all the Soviet citizens as Russians and reffered SU as Russia but a lot of them wern't Russians.>Could anons kindly explain what happened between the breakdown of the Soviet Union to nowPutin happened. Ukraine could be an ally to both, EU and Russia. But putin's politics went into antagonizing with west and not allowing Russian allies to cooperate with western countries. Russia supposed to be the only one who may cooperate with western countries.>Would the country of Ukraine really be that much worse off as a part of RussiaYes it would be worse. The best example is to compalre all the Russian satelites like Belarus, Armenia, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan and so on, to other countries who was a part of Warsaw Pact or Soviet Union who now in EU, like Poland, Estonia, Lithuania, Chech, even Slovakia and Hungary - they all much better. Russia just sucks all the resources from it allies and do not allow them to develop.
>>544360831>>544360860I still think the context should be added that Russia has been a dick to Ukraine though. And are now obstinate fools contributing to the spiral. But yes the Ukrainians are naive fools in their own way too.
>>544361306This guy's a dick to that guy, that giy a dick to that guy, it's a perpetual domino effect called human civilization Too many assholes want to be dicks...no one wants to be the pussy.
>>544361236What happened was the 90s. That's when a lot of things leading to today was first set in motion. Essentially you're pawns of the more liberal (which overlaps with some neocons albeit) wing of the western establishment while Putinism is a pawn of the more conservative (which overlaps with crypto-tankies) wing of the western establishment. Both Zelensky and Putin serve the interests of western oligarchy.
>>544361449Also it's two dicks getting manipulated and pitted into being obstinate dicks to each other mutually with neither wanting to blink first.
>>544349564Just look at ex soviet countries like mine and you will find answer>part of the reason of this war is to not showing how great russia would be if not its dream of imperialism
>>544361588Well, duh, war is hug $profitz$, quick get rich scheme. Our kosher frens have a monopoly on in great depth.Especially when your shithole is dependant on buying and going into debt for foreign military gear. It's a feeding frenzy for all the globo banks and MIC corpos.Real Capitalism is a machine lubed by blood and fueled by competition.
>>544361236>not allowing Russian allies to cooperate with western countries. Russia supposed to be the only one who may cooperate with western countries.not unlike trump buying diesel from russia after threatening sanctions om half of the world.difference is usa is actually strong and prosper so they can get away with it more easily.
>>544361656It's Capitalism that raped you, Ukraine and Russia in the 90s. Don't get it twisted. You're foolishly blaming some archaic outdated Russian imperialism while everything is just a business now. There really are no nations or empires anymore. It's all globalized corporate glut now. They manipulate you, ukrainians and russians into thinking this is still about nations only in order to make you kill each other.
>>544361841No they went from state communism to privatized communism (oligarchy) with no capitalism in between. End goal is to be like China with state control with "golden shares" in companies, whitch syill makes it central planning like Davos meetings
>>544361841>There really are no nations or empires anymore. Just banks and corporate, although you can say instead, every nation which has a rothschild's centralized bank is no nation. So I guess the last remaining places on earth that can be called "nations" are Iran and North Korea.
>>544362015You are mindfucked by lolbert neolibs.
>>544362091Neolibs are the 'ex commies' who sold eastern Europe out to foreign investors. Estonia for example went with lolbert god Milton Friedmans economic model. That means SEB and Swedbank of the Wallenberg dynasty and other (((foreign investors))) rule this little swamp economically
>>544362087Iran is an islamic universalist theocracy. North Korea has been sanctioned to shit for almost 80 years.
>>544349564Integrating ukraine is equal to accepting tens of millions of unproductive liberals & communist votersUkrainian culture is a mix of russian, polish and turkish and you know poles and turks always lose and fail in everythingUncompetitive identities die out in modern world, ukraine same as baltic states are on EU payroll, this means that sooner or later ZOG will exterminate all localsAnnexing whole ukraine and saving them from exctinction means that their culture and worldview will be preserved , to be more correct subsidized by russians (which is against russian interests)Something like that
>>544362146Here's a image to sum up the neo-imperialism of Swedish empire
>>544362015End goal is global is written on our "holy" former monument, and written in the Protocol ofbZion in detail.(we are here), so the global economic zones can be more easily contained, manipulated and controlled by a few ultra rich oligarchs, rest is highly expendable.
>>544362146Neolibs are Chicago school end stage giga capitalists. Stop calling them "ex commies". Wallenbergs are mere errand boys for western corparate capital. They don't run shit. They're gofers that enforce WTO and IMF directives regionally here. Lolberts themselves love to do conspiracy slop videos on YouTube about Wallenbergs and their nazi subsidizing skeletons (nvm Wallenbergs were just cynical opportunists that sold shit to the Soviets and western allies too).
>>544362256They already dominate the economies. We are now in population control phase, 2050 is closing in
>>544362295>Stop calling them "ex commies".No i won't because i see with my own big blue eyes that the commies were never lynched or even ousted from politics, finance and industrialism >>544353532
>>544350473>So the best Ukraine has achieved for its EU dream is a visa-free entry after 20 or so yearsAnd what have you achieved?
>>544350776The EGKS wasnt the US's pet project. You are very uneducated.
>>544361789Furst - Trump is a recent thing. And yes, he is fucking retarded.Second - Ukraine want to cooperate with EU in the first place. (Not like being allies with USA is a bad thing, just only not whet Trump is president)Third - cooperating with western countries still better than cooperating with Russia.
>>544349564Why do we keep insisting it's a Nation... If ukranians want their country, they can have the few Ukrainian speaking regions along the boarder with Austria and Poland... The rest of the territory was added to it by fucking Communists, which we all hate.Ofcourse all the land that was Russian before the revolution, should go back to Russia.
>>544362295they areliberal globalists and trotskyist communists are very close in their worldviewthe only difference is that gloibalists want property to be owned by few chosen people and administered by class of unelected managers they puttrotskyists want the same, except everything should be owned by global state and state should be owned by few chose people (shareholders)so it is just a difference in corporate structure
>>544362435>boarder with AustriaMost educated zigger
>>544362374>Not like being allies with USA is a bad thing, just only not whet Trump is presidentWhen the frog mistakes the scorpion as his friend.Hohol, it doesn't matter whom the puppet mouthpiece of great satan is. Blue or red wing, this vulture has one path and duty. Always had since it's conception.
>>544349564>Would X really be that much worse off as a part of RussiaYes
>>544362374> we wuz EU n shiet> gibsmedat, we needs it fo da programs
>>544362435>along the boarder with AustriaWow! I did't know my country has border with Austria!
>>544362468>>544362605remigration
>>544362342You're punching air. You're chasing ghosts.>>544362374You're hopelessly naive and deluded. Obstinately and pathologically so. The west is fucking you over completely. Not just Trump. They fucked you over starting in the 90s. But you're too stubborn and spiteful to admit it. So you keep ingratiating yourself to your own hangman just because is being an obstinate and unreasonable spastic too. That's what's going on. But you don't want to see. You're too blinded and mindfucked.>>544362452Stop punching air. Stop chasing ghosts.
>>544361236>Ukraine could be an ally to both, EU and Russia.this is bullshitthe deal the eu offered explicity said no more free trade with russiathats the eussr fuck up, only
>>544349564It appeared in Russia and multiplied. The inpy time it was not in Russia was ww2, when it was raped and genocided by germans. Very similar situation to what is happening now. Whenever Ukraine had western overlords their women put on trains and taken to europe as prostitute and men are forced to fight against russia or murdered. Things never change.
I just noticed,Many of us speak english..Pretty sharp ay my fellow goyim?>Unite humanity with a living new languageIs this supposed to be the language which "unites" us?
>>544362374>Third - cooperating with western countries still better than cooperating with Russia.half your population flees, 2 million dead, you will be completely destroyedyes working with the west is better......see how deluded the hohols really are ?
>>544349564The funniest thing about this situation is that Russians don't even want Ukraine, nor are they planning to force it into some sort of Belarus situation. This was a hilariously avoidable war, but hohols went full cargo cult and decided to suicide their whole country.
>>544362664>You're punching air. You're chasing ghosts.I'll tell you a funny story. When world war 2 refugees arrived in Sweden, they didn't believe the stories of Siberian deportations, confiscation of property and straight up murder. Common question was "why didn't you call the police?" That's you, in your own information bubble. So its understandable why you can't see it like east europoors do
>>544362701And here we see the "west is genocidal and always to blame" pathological libel that just plays into the hands of western corporate capital itself. You are mindfucked and brainwashed beyond repair. Just like Ukraine supporters on reddit. Only in a different direction. But you're both mindfucked by the same general interests in order to keep us pitted against one another so that reconciliation is perpetually kept off the table.
>>544362664>The west is fucking you over completely.to the last hohol, is not just a slogan, its reality
>>544362751Yeah, I thought these westfaggots were pretty aware of what happened in the east.Maybe it's because the younger generation is indoctrinated by their own ZOG gov censorship. But all the old people still haven't forgotten.
>>544362751>you are just like people from 80 years ago and you're in the same information bubble they wereDo you not see how stupid this is?
>>544362861>Yeah, I thought these westfaggots were pretty aware of what happened in the east.no, the iron curtain was real
>>544362374>>544362664You're hopelessly naive and deluded. Obstinately and pathologically so.The west is fucking you over completely. Not just Trump. They fucked you over starting in the 90s. But you're too stubborn and spiteful to admit it. So you keep ingratiating yourself to your own hangman just because *Putin is being an obstinate and unreasonable spastic too. That's what's going on. But you don't want to see. You're too blinded and mindfucked.
>>544362875No, i see how propaganda works. It just got much more elaborate. You only know what you are allowed to know. So i'll talk about things you are not supposed to know. Yuri Andropov was Vladimir Putin’s early ideological role model and is described as the "godfather of the Gorbachev revolution" and perestroika. Andropov served as KGB chairman and briefly as General Secretary of the Communist Party, initiated economic reforms and recognized the need to restructure the stagnant Soviet system. Although he suppressed political dissent, his push for controlled modernization laid the groundwork for Mikhail Gorbachev to introduce perestroika (restructuring) and glasnost (openness) after Andropov’s death in 1984.Anatoliy Golitsyn, a former high-ranking KGB official who defected to the United States in 1961, argued that perestroika was not a genuine reform movement but a meticulously planned deception strategy by the Soviet Union to achieve global communist dominance.In his 1984 book New Lies for Old, Golitsyn predicted with high accuracy the dismantling of the Soviet Bloc, including the fall of the Berlin Wall and the reunification of Germany, asserting these events were part of a long-term plan formulated between 1958 and 1960.He claimed perestroika was designed to create a "Second October Revolution" — a non-violent, controlled transformation of the free world through fake democratization and strategic disinformation.In his 1995 book The Perestroika Deception, Golitsyn provided detailed memoranda to the CIA outlining how the Soviet Union would use controlled political plurality, pseudo-social democratic parties, and manipulated national movements to create the illusion of democracy while consolidating power.He argued that the "collapse" of the USSR in 1991 was not a real end to communism but a strategic ruse to deceive the West, with no verification, de-communization, or de-mobilization of Soviet institutions taking place.
>>544362820well where i am wrong? Not a single hohol was bussified and sent to death somewhere when Ukraine was part of Russia.
>>544362958Ukrainians were 20-25% of the red army
>>544362933>He argued that the "collapse" of the USSR in 1991 was not a real end to communism but a strategic ruse to deceive the West, with no verification, de-communization, or de-mobilization of Soviet institutions taking place.yelstin and the 90's did all that, and more
>>544362958They were too busy starving to death to get bussified, back when yookrain was part of russia.
>>544363003and also Ukrainians were like 90% of partisans. Most of red army and obviously all partisans were volunteers, people lied about their age to get there and kill germans.
>>544363014>yelstin and the 90's did all that, and moreYeltsin spawned Putin and Patrushev along with privatizing communism under oligarchs. He was a temporary patsy, always drunk off his ass
>>544363003>Ukrainians were 20-25% of the red armyyup. the jews in the west are shouting with chcikensat yet another white brother warevery dead russian good.every dead hohol is: not a dead american or europooranother half russian who will not join the russian armyit is truly a double win for them
>>544363069>Yeltsin spawned Putin and Patrushev along with privatizingyes, an unstable russia is the most dangerous thing possiblei think all the morons running the west now completely forgot this
>>544362933How do you figure I'm an information bubble when I've been aware of Golitsyn and his works/predictions for eons and have previously bought into some of it?I don't buy it anymore though. Just like I stopped buying into Yuri Bezmenov even earlier. Everything points to cemented unipolar American hegemony since Y2K with China and India being used up as the slave labor pool in this new feudal, robber baron techno guilded age order. Russia is a more or less impotent regional player on China's leash now also dependent on the US/Trump throwing them a bone like diesel deals while they still can't eat Ukraine. I'm not seeing the Russian/Soviet comeback conspiracy panning out really.
>>544363070exactly, no one in the west see any diffetence between a russian and hohol. For them it is just stupid russians fighting themselves.
>>544363105The jews in the west,and east would love another cold war, it was a time the MIC was really taking off to new levels in technology...and keeping the goyim in check and perpetually in fear with their "nuke" psyop.
>>544363164Its not a Russian comeback. Its just a more established internationalism that will come out of this. Obviously after the """multipolar""" order that Putin announced in Munich 2007 during his 'infamous' speech. Before any of the Ukraine shit even started >>544356149
>>544362664Did i hurt your feelings by touching your master?
>>544363164>they still can't eat Ukraine.you still dont get itit took years for the russians to understand the jews and hohols have gone full retard, and the jewsa pays for allonly a few weeks ago the russians started to get more serious>>544363164>I'm not seeing the Russian/Soviet comebackits ok to be blind, just dont be willfully blind
Anything that escapes or tries to rebuild the old ussr past will face a doom loop. I tried to warn about the drones and was called a tweaker by Russians for writing some poetry.Even if reformation was to regain what was lost, it slipped into a hole. Something meaningful died when the soviets collapsed.Not sure if it'll be found.
They'll just be conscripted into another deathwar against the baltic states. I don't envy their situation, but if they have to fight they might as well fight evil than fight alongside it.
>>544363246They already have a well oiled unipolar internationalist neo-feudal cosmopolitan world system firmly in place since Y2K. They don't want to replace it with a Socialism they spent the late 20th century demolishing.Nice going quoting Brzezinski of all cold war era liberal giga hawks as some sort of "proof".Yes I've read his insane screed "Between Two Ages". He's not advocating a communist dystopia. He's shilling the night-watchman state that's being implemented in the west since Y2K and 9/11. It's like calling the Patriot Act communist. Asinine.
>>544349564>majority population still want to join the European Unionif the majority of the population wants something stupid they deserve to become a minority. Case in point: all EU countries, whites in US.
>>544363446your problem that you project your own thinking on russia
>>544363352>Something meaningful died when the soviets collapsed.Here's what happened, the Tzars were dead, all their gold and treasure looted, kikes were tinkering around with trying to turn the jewSSR into a western version of jewSA, but a more totalitarian one.Now the east and west kikes have come to a conclusion, that totalitarianism is just what the goyim need.But unlike eastern yoorope, in jewSA, it'll be much harder to pull off, since too many americans still own guns. That's why they've been trying to gun grab as #1 priority.
>>544363478I guess joining EU is kind of a far fetched goal for them now. At least being able to leave the country would already be a big win.
>>544355675Every political ideology kills people, you dumb baizuoStop being a moralist cuck
>>544349564>what happened between the breakdown of the Soviet Union to now,ukrainianism was fully supported by bolshevik jews. textbook engineering of judaism breaking nations apart. Took them 100 years to invent and finish urine though, and still have to invent words and spellings every day.
>>544363319You don't get it. The world is a business. Putin is part of the cynical business transaction that 21st century MIC media production social media mindfuck wars like the war in Ukraine are himself. As is Zelensky.
>>544363484Thinking individuals is indeed inconvenient for your cause.
>>544349564Just think how much useful things Ukrainian men could have done over last 5 years. They could get education, start family and so one. It does’t even matter what kind of puppet would be instead of Zelenskiy. They would definitely spent their time much more useful than serving on the frontlines for free or hiding in the basement. The whole generation is lost. Those people are servants for life now even if the war stops, because they are much behind in everything. They will be picking cucumbers for germans or begging in front of the supermarkets.
>>544363523Pffff, what about india? You don't get your population in the numbers of billions by mass killing of your people. They've never had real totalitarianism.
>>544363551I don’t like your way of thinking. But most importantly your way of doing. You should stop sending your money to terrorists.
>>544363467>He's not advocating a communist dystopiaWell his boss David Rockefeller wanted a communist dystopia. >>544354848Funny part is that even Jeffrey Epstein was part of CFR, Trilateral commission and he was on the board of Rockefeller university lol
Ah, the soviets all did die. The real ones anyway, the double agents don't count. I can't see another way. There are no more real soviets or communists left. None that would do to the Romanavs that the Balshaviks did. It may be easier to blame that past or hate it but some keys of value are there. The values are different for a Marxist. Russia is perhaps modeled more after the English empire with its satallites? Marxists reap, capitalism sows, fascism is just the loser or opposition.
>>544349564>Would the country of Ukraine really be that much worse off as a part of Russia, or as a satellite state occupying a position similar to Belarus?Yes, yes they would. Just look at countries that were satellites or part of Russia vs countries that manage to escape that shit.
>>544362657>t. genetically tainted
>>544363741One man's "terrorist" is another mans freedom fighter.You will never eliminate "terrorism", just classify those which do not wan't to conform to your rules.
>>544349564A slightly pointless question imo. Russians have been mass murdering ukranians and attempting to erase their culture for the last 5 years; I don't see any ukranians willingly allowing their country to be absorbed by Russia, think the hatred will last decades.
>>544363678>germans germans germans germans......When did you forget cosmopolitan international capital is a thing. Why constantly peg it as "german" or "western".Fuck this noise. You're just contributing to infecting and spiralling everything even further.
>>544363504That's silly. If the totalitarianism goes up so does the anti semitism in equal proportion. It's suicidal for people that push it. Not worried about that.
>>544363753You may as well have brain damage if you think Rockefeller advocated for Communism in your cherry picked quote.
>>544363833> another mans freedom fightertop kek, that’s pretty much sums up the hohol situation at the moment
>>544363678>begging in front of the supermarkets.while getting pissed drunk on ptsd vodka, and harrassing everyone going to the store, while collecting gibs and cursing the eussrTHOSE WESTERN BASTARDS STABBED US IN THE BACK !!GIVE US MONEY !!personally, cant to see my city go down the shitter like that
>>544349564>Would the country of Ukraine really be that much worse off as a part of RussiaDude, Pidoruzzia is hell. Russians are rabbid apes, they are very close to the level of stupidity of Americans so you might actually find a common ground with them.>>544358313Go get drafted and die, subhuman trash. You only bring misery and shit up the world. If both the USA and Russia get nuked the world will become a better place overnight.
>>544363868because where else eastern europe goes to beg money?
>>544363927wait
>>544363875Hmmm, I guess thats why your guvmint is enforcing hardcore anti semitism laws, in your already prison overpopulated shithole.Your FBI/CIA/ICE are the new NKVD/KGB /Cheka.I see patterns there, in the USSA
>>544363958You're oversimplifying the unipolar techno feudalist hydra by swinging at low hanging geographical and ethnic fruit.
>>544363847Ukrainians will not last for decades, this identity did not exist few centuries agoIn 17 century territory of ukraine was cleansed from majority of population, split and repopulatedModern ukrainian identity is a work of poles, jews, austrians, germans, communists, CIA and modern ZOG, they invested heavily to corrupt local peasants and reduce their IQBut we totally agree whole ukraine should not be part of russia currently, its a trojan horse
>>544363925Lets call it technocracy then, to calm your pink bussy. Even though soviet and chinese governments were described as technocratic when they were heavily industrializing
>>544363926Yes and before hohols it was Chechnya.
>>544364086More of Zbiggy
>>544363927I don’t think their ban to EU will ever be lifted though. It is so ridiculous, they are fighting for Europe, they have even «medal of europe» with eu colors, but literally no fighting age man is allowed to visit it. Neither to live the country nor to enter EU without special permission. That is top humuliation. I don’t get what they are fighting for, definitely not defending something they have.
>>544364052I am just not a big fan of conspiracy theories. I am only bothered by obvious things.
>>544363847You'd think at this point they would reabsorb and go full terrorist state. It would need to be organized before Russia eats its fill. That's how cell divisions work. Once militarized to a certain degree, it's impossible to turn back? Depends on the veterans, denazification took decades, a wall, an entire cold war, and a bloated spy division in every country experimenting on their own citizens. poisoning their food.
>>544364037It's suicide no matter how many laws or how hard they crack down.
>>544350473I like how you leave out Yanukovich getting yanked by Putin to sign Ukraine into a customs union with Russia pretty much butt fucking their entire economy for eternity. When he fought the protests to that with violence he got overthrown and Russia instantly invaded.I think the west was too passive in dangling carrots to Ukraine and Ukraine just not knowing what the fuck it wanted resulting in it getting squeezed and fuck from the situation.USA and China is probably happy with the status quo of weakening Russia and turning Europe against Russia but sucks for everyone else involved.
>>544364037It's laughably suicidal
>>544364071This. Ukrainian identity appeared and developed inside Russia, because russians can appreciat this slight difference which is completely invisible to anyone outside. They are only Ukrainians for a russian, for someone from the west they are russians. Without russia their real culture will die. And the fake shit that they invented in the last decade, like Kyiv spelling, nazi collaborator warship and so on will not really survive a time test.
>>544364071>Modern ukrainian identity is a work of poles, jews, austrians, germans, communists, CIA and modern ZOG.Wait no turks? I'm pretty sure yookraine has a lot of Turkish blood running around.
>>544349564They were already in that position and you didn't have any idea what Ukraine was.Now ukraine is western satellite. Welcome
>>544349564For the west the whole ukrainian identity is «traitor russian»
>>544364312>I like how you leave out Yanukovich getting yanked by Putin to sign Ukraine into a customs union with Russia pretty much butt fucking their entire economy for eternity.what are you talking about imbecile? He rejected the EU ascension before he left the country you anachronistic moron. Because again, even they all held hands in a circle, they wouldnt be able to meet half of the requirements EU gave them. Again you guys are absolute fucking retards when it comes to Ukraine in general because you imagine It as some unrecognized part of visegrad or something. Their economy was fucked decades ago because they didnt have the stomach to properly transition from soviet economy to a market one. And last thing, no, stop being retarded like ukranians, thinking that EU will magically fix all the issues they themselfs create. Its 20. fucking. years. i keep hearing about this bright future they cope with and only thing they got was destroying whatever they had left of a country
>>544364115>but literally no fighting age man is allowed to visit it. Neither to live the country nor to enter EU without special permissionthis will change after, all will be 'refugees' to come join their whore women.our governments are really that stupid
>>544364702You can't kill an idea. Bet I can say one word and you'll know what I mean. Slava
>>544364723>ivan gets triggered by leddit-spacing nafo-troonsI expected better from you.
>>544364768What's the equivalent of "slava" in jewSA?Murka Fuck Yeah?I'll have A Double Cheese?PutvIt On My Credit Card?
>>544364723>nooo you cant unsucessfully join the EU; what are you doing, EU does nothing, stop trying to join, we will now bomb you and then criticize you for being bombedsubhuman
>>544364742they can not be refugees is the war stops, but the ban will not be lifted because «russia can attack anytime». That is the plan. All hohols will be locked and work in mines to pay Zelenskiys debts for 100 years.
>>544364836My best guess?A Declaration of Independence.
>>544364155It's not a conspiracy theory.>>544364113You're getting hung up on terminology.Zbig was a rabid anti-communist. You can't just slither around that. He shilled a dystopia. Just not the communist ghost and air that you're punching, lolbert.
>>544364312>sign Ukraine into a customs union with Russiayour ignorance is showingrussia and hohols had a free trade deal since 1990somethingIT WAS THE EU YANKING THE CHAIN TO SIGN AN AGREEMENTbecause the eu demanded the deal with russia be canceledif you are going to argue, at least show up with some knowledgeotherwise go sit in the corner and wait for the muslims masters to take over
>>544364838nobody is against Ukraine joining EU, except EU
>>544364840maybedoubtful
>>544364907>nobody is against Ukraine joining EU, except EUand well now russia as well
>>544364889Lol, its just rebranded communism. It has all the despotic charectaristics and more. You're the one upset over terminology. >>544355534
>>544364881Independence from whom?Rothschilds?Free Masons?McDonalds?What are you trying so hard to be "independent" from?
>>544364838go cry about it and make another thread, roosterreich subhuman, since its all you are capable of anyway
>>544364494Communists invested a lot to create modern ukrainians, their IQ was reduced with purpose by shitcommunismDont forget ukraine was a part of pale of settlement from where communists originated>>544364530Suvorov removed all turks to the last person
>>544364926Ukraine will be fucked by Europe to the maximum. If no one care that half a country is fead, who will care about ptsd hohols? They will never get visas. Also once they will stop throw themselves at russia the money will stop. Funny thing is that every hohol understands it. No refugee ever plans to return. May be only if Unraine joins russia entirely things will get back to normal there and people will go back.
>>544349564i think pedo jew created this thread by using his pedo AI..
>>544364956>Estonian nazi big mad that Stalin shot his nazi great grandparentsThat doesn't make communism bad, that makes communism good
>>544365071they have visafree entries so they can proudly beg on the streets.> May be only if Unraine joins russiafuck no, they are on full gibsmedat mindset. No one needs a leech state filled with cripples
>>544362933Lmao, thinking fucking arch anti-Communist shithead Yakovlev, on the payroll of the US and Canada, designed Glasnost and Perestroika to implement Global Communism. No.Perestroika and Glasnost were designed to destroy the USSR. Glasnost was not just "openness" all soviet messaging, media etc was given over to turbo anti-Communists and Neolibs, who basically spent every moment from the mid 80s to the dismantling, shittalking everything about Soviet history and ideology, to the point "Lenin is a mushroom became a meme" Glasnost was designed to assfuck the economy into oblivion, destroy everyone's savings and privatize the Soviet Economy. It's well known that distribution chains and logistics systems were completely fucked on purpose, to cause mass shortages. Workers would be stopped by Bratva when they tried to unload trains, trucks and ships, entire warehouses filled with food rotted etc, while breadlines formed. Andropov also NEVER would have put through Glasnost and Perestroika, his reforms would have been slow and measured like Deng, he would never have turned the USSR into the most vocally anti-Communist state on earth like Yakovlev did.
>>544364990Ukraine surrenders tomorrow and is erased. You win. It is gone. All the Ukrainian dissolve into Russia like nothing happened. You want it to happen. I think Ukraine wants it to happen too. Can you take the Russia out of the Russian? Or the Ukraine from the ukrainians? That's a lot of souls. Slava.I love it.I don't get to learn Russian frequently. Slava Slava Slava
>>544365114>that makes communism goodBased, I guess you could say WTC was an excellent communist strategic move.
>>544365009>EU does nothing!!!>Ss-s-stop liking EU!!!>You are mean to mother russia!like a bleeding woman, kys. you have no arguments, you only have mocking the people who want to make their life better, and you can only mock them because to become better they need to get the fuck away from your nation, and you know it and you seethe about it. do that forever.
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>>544365165>they have visafree entriesSomething you can only dream of. HF in thailand and serbia.
>>544349564Ukraine is shit. The Kiev's regime turned Ukraine into shit way before the special military operation started. Ukrainians on /uhg/ secretly detest Ukraine, some of them already left, others want to leave. They need the EU membership only to leave Ukraine without visa restrictions.
>>544365184>SlavaIt's literally where the word "slave" is related from.So da, comerade, slava for megun for youdebt slava is the new twistEveryone in oinkraine is doing it (other than the jew)
>>544365114>naziKys retard jew. Keep your despotic regimes to yourself. Shitlers ghost can suck my dick >>544354531>>Funded Nazi eugenicists like Ernst Rüdin, Otmar von Verschuer, and Eugen Fischer, whose work influenced>>compulsory sterilization>>Founded the "Population Council" in 1952.
>>544365192ahahahahha. Tupoi pidoras of a whore atleast make an effort in your low iq baits. I dont care if they like EU or not, they wont join it because it is impossible for them. Go shill for a whore nation another year, you miserable cuck :DDDDD
>>544365318If you're going to tell me what things mean then you're going to need to take off the meme flag so I know where you're coming from
>>544365397What will changing my meme flag help with anything?I could be a martian reptilian and you'd never know.
>>544365469>>544364836You seem to like to throw stones at my flag while hiding your own flag? I can't have the same fun? Doesn't seem fair.
>>544365383>Go shill for a whore nation another yearYour nation is a whore nation, anon.It sells not only its dignity, but its children.Your best friend China directly sells drone parts to your enemy that kill Russians. Can you imagine? You can buy Russian lifes, pretty cheap, for 2000$ you can easily get one. Thats the price your tsar put on a Russian life.And you wonder why people want to get away from you?>They can NEVER enter EUPeople said the same about other eastern bloc countries 20 years ago. Ukraine was steadily improving - until your monke chimped out. Probably exactly because he knew what would happen if Ukraine became what Poland and Romania became. But you know all this. You are intelligent enough for basic mimicry and mockery. You just shy away from the shame like a dog.
>>544365540They letting rich kids pilot the drones? Unheard of.
>>544365514Here's a tip, you can change your flag too.In the end, I know my stones bounce back at me as well.
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>>544365540>Ukraine was steadily improving -backwards that is.>what would happen if Ukraine became what Poland and Romania became.AHAHAHAH XDDDDDDAnyway, didnt bother delving into the rest of the seethe you wrote me, russia senpai noticed you, yada yada, now can you stop sucking me off? Its cringy that you are so obsessed with me all you do itt is give me (you)
>>544365710Wow, nice luciferian cake you have there, enjoy your orgy I guess.
>>544365540>People said the same about other eastern bloc countries 20 years agono they didnt>>544365540>Ukraine was steadily improvingyeah sure it went form most corrupt and poorest in europe, to the second most corrupt and poor in europe, only in front of moldovaGREAT SUCCESSstop lying you hohol faggot
>>544364956>>544365114You're both deluded dimwits one can't reason with.
It all makes me wish Shitler never existed. Then so many wouldn't be so generationally traumatized and manipulated all sorts of delusions and spite.
>>544366458There are no delusions. Protocols outlined world domination. 4th communist international continued with it and now neoliberal globalists are finishing the job. You can even draw lines from jacobins to the commies. All the same despotic revolutionaries, inspiring each other.
>>544365777>>Ukraine was steadily improving ->backwards that is.And thats it, isnt it. One sentence to swipe away reality is all you require to stop the process of improvement.Dont let me stop you. >russia senpai noticed youI wish you just stayed blackout drunk instead.
>>544366244>no they didntyes they didyou apprantly didnt spend time in central europe at the time.
>>544357037shadows match whole picture perfectly ...very high quality AI or not AI at all, point is Jews have supremacy laws in Ukr and they are not drafted , the only ones who not locked in and can leave to Israel at will.So picture illustrates reality .How do you get, that it is AI ?
>>544366580>lolbert keeps going till bump limitI'm done with you. Anyone like you ideologically. You're peak tiresome.
>>544367082Glad i rustled your jimmies. Go have a nap now Sven. Thanks for the entertainment to pass the working day faster.
>>544367432>if I spam all my meme folder it makes me look like I'm winning le debate.There's nothing to debate, lolbert.
>>544367589>There's nothing to debate, lolbert.Who's debating? I have my truth, you have terminology pilpul. You are helping me waste time, on a mongolian basket weaving forum. None of this here matters lol. Don't take yourself too serioisly, peasant
>>544367632And now you're literally inverting.The gist really is that you don't want to accept that this current world isn't part of some communist conspiracy and that you're chasing ghosts and punching air. Your obstinance is pathological.
>>544367736*This current world order isn't part of some communist conspiracy.
>>544367767Thanks for your opinion, but i already know you think that. But it just shows poor pattern recognition on your part. Im only discussing these things. I don't control the outcome whatsoever. I wish there was a open season on commies(neoliberals etc). We have plenty
>>544367843My pattern recognition far exceeds yours considering I shelved the nonsense you're still peddling years ago and refined my outlook.
>>544367926>shelved the nonsense>but i notice everythingOk, let it be chaos theory then. Things like chink flu are organic 100%
>>544367955You're so oversimplistic. I don't believe in some chaos theory. Why do you always bad faith with all these assumptions?Covid was a PSYOP by the notorious germaphobe Donald Trumps first administration.
>>544368078And who was complicit in the crisis opportunity?
>>544368139Yes. The entire world financial and bureaucratic techno-feudalist (not communist) system was complicit.
>>544368236>not communistCool. Back to terminology pilpul. Just imagine a hammer and sickle then rofl
