Why is this such a radical idea to rightoids?You literally just give up the idea of wealth, power, personal ambition, greed, and control. You focus on family, friends, community, and collective health of society. From that you strive together to build a brighter future for everyone so that we can all partake in the advancement of our species. Isn't that a hell of a lot better life motivation and provides more purpose and meaning than working your ass off your whole life just to make some faceless shareholders richer off your back?Why willfully choose the vices of mankind like greed, selfishness, exploitation, bribery, extortion, pride, violence, and cruelty as the underpinnings of our economic system over the good natures and virtues?
>>544525427everyone else is an asshole and doesn't deserve my property, how about you kill yourself?
>>544525427Ok anon, post your address.We can share.
I'll share with whites who carry their weight. I won't share with the whole fucking world.Say in a tribe, one year things went pretty well for you and during the winter, you share with another family who had a rough time. Eventually, your family has a bad year, and they share with you. That's fantastic. No debts or ledgers, it's just people helping each other out, and everyone benefits from it.But on a larger scale, it's a lot more complicated. A lot of people try to take and take, but never give. Some don't even try to be self-sufficient, they just expect to be fed and cared for by the labors of others while contributing nothing at all.
It ((ignores)) the fact that the majority of people would abuse that by not doing anything and just living off someone else doing double the amount of labor to feed them too. And it would just get more and more skewed as more and more people stop putting in any work just to take care of those that contribute nothing until everyone starves because there's maybe five people left that actually do any work. That's how it always goes. Which is how you know that most countries are already communist since young capable white men dropping out of the work force because they are tired of putting in double the effort to pay for the expenses of the flood of worthless browns is rampant.
>>544525427Capitalism and socialism are both jewish degeneracy.
>>544525427Let's meet in the middle. You get rid of every single non-white and we never let any more in ever, then we can try socialism. Deal?
the joke isn't they steal the bike and return it when they're done.
>>544526209capitalism is great, but you have to reign in the bad parts of it, like the nazis did. Unfortunately, that pissed off the whole world.
>>544526137See: Kevin MacDonald's theory of 'altruistic punishment'
People who are socialists refuse to identify as such because off how political toxic Marxism/communism is.
>>544526431>People who are socialists refuse to identify as such because off how political toxic Marxism/communism is.socialism is the most popular its ever been. the 21st century will be the commie century once the miggers die off.
>>544526523>>544526431socialism isn't communism
>>544525427Your words have no meaning in the real world, that's why Marxism always fails.
>>544525427Because socialism is nothing but vastly overpaid scamming shitniggers
>>544525427>"You should share everything, even the results of your labor that I had no hand in creating."
>>544526547socialism is the first stage towards communism. just as riding a bike with training wheels is the first stage towards riding a motorcycle.read marx.
>>544526523>the 21st century will be the commie century once the miggers die off.Socialism, in order to succeed, requires homogeneous populations of hard-working Europeans with cultures oriented around collective responsibility, and a sense of shame that prevents leeching from othersKnow what ruins it? Infinite browns.
I'll share my dick with your sister's tight cunt you fucking commie faggot. Give you a little bastard nephew that kills you for being a loser dork.
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>>544526615I read Marx. And Hitler. And several others. Marx correctly identifies a lot of problems with capitalism, but his proposed solutions are nonsense. Anyway, socialism is not at all the first step towards communism, any more than property rights lead to feudalism. Socialism can make sense, when restricted and controlled to certain groups and people. Much like immigration. But if you open it up to everyone, it's ruined.
>>544526694>just like, make sure you establish a central bank, and put the Jews in charge, make sure you do those two things>the uh, state will just, uh, wither away... someday... yea
>>544525427>Why is this such a radical idea to rightoids?Sharing doesnt help the person receiving. I dont mind giving tax credits for donating, but just giving people money absolutely doesnt help them, it teaches them to be dependent.If donations and free shit actually helped people Africa would be the most prosperous continent on the planet, but is that what happened? No, 50yrs of the West giving aid to Africa made them even more dependent on receiving aid. Has 60+ years of welfare helped niggers in America? No, they have slid in every conceivable metric since "Great Society" welfare programs were instituted 60yrs ago. The more public money poured into education in major cities in the USA has LOWERED outcomes not raised them, the more money we spend the less people are able to read at grade standard level.Giving poor people free shit doesnt help them at all, it turns them into fat disabled retards that are permanently dependent on other people.
>>544526523>socialism is the most popular its ever beenLet 50 million illegal 3rd worlders into the counter>socialism is the most popular its ever beenWoooooooowkys nigger
>>544525427>The radical idea of sharing coerced at gunpointFtfy
>>544526754you can have an ethnonationalist socialist society without central banks or jews. the Nazis already did this, and it worked, but the whole world turned on them for rejecting the global banks.
>>544525427Sharing is voluntary, what most "socialists" are calling for is mandatory taking.
>>544526930Was paraphrasing Marx. Always found the "absolutely MAKE SURE you goys have a central bank as one of the first steps, it's critical!" funny, in retrospect.
Sage because 1pbtid and it just ignores the reality that giving alms and being selfless is required by religion. Everything OP said is a lie and it is leftists that embrace sin as virtue.
>>544527014well it makes sense, in that a country going that way will have to manage their own finances and economy, to some degree or another, to resist whatever outside influences trying to bring them down to just another disposable economic unit.It's really a shame that the Nazi definition of socialism got overrun and erased by the Soviet definition.
LETS SOCIALIZE WOMENS PUSSIES
>>544525427There's a place for the state but with free enterprise you're free to do business with them or not but the state frequently coerces you and a socialist mlieu makes it cancerous
>>544527898imagine a state that says>do what you want but don't fuck the peopleaka no planned obsolescence, no hiding spy devices in phones or TVs, etc
>>544527146The Bolsheviks tried this in the 20s. It did not work out well.
>>544525427Socialism sufferes from administrative bloat.
>>544528109and most of that bloat is just identifying and culling parasites.socialism, much like libertarianism, works wonderfully on a small scale where everyone knows each other and anyone being a bastard is quickly identified and ostracized. but on a larger, national scale, it becomes much more complicated.
There really are people who never learned how to share things. I dunno what the best remedy for that is. Consider the taxation an investment on the well being of your children and their legacy. Whether or not I have my own to care about is irrelevant to this message.
It's like Jesus said to his disciples. "Fuck you, I got mine. You faggots are on your own"
>>544526026This. They never want to share anything meaningful; they just want your labor.
*Forcing people to share against their will.
>>544525427>it's sharing when the government steals your country and gives it to niggersno that is genocide
>>544528846It's literally how we fund the most powerful military on earth. Forcing people to share against their will
>>544528865>Taxes is stealingNo its not, you're selfish and greedy
>>544526615>>544526694Marrx did not invent socialism and he doesn't get to define it in perpetuity
Socialism: the psychotic asshole idea of stealing and then gaslighting you about it.
>>544530247I'm happy to spend other peoples' money on stuff i want, just like you. If we were talking about using mexico's money and resources, you will see i am very open to spending it
>>544525427>sharingthe problem is that eventually you run out of other peoples money
>>544525427They just need to be reminded about national socialism.
>>544525427that's a nice iphone you have therelet me share it from you
>>544525427When I was studying, I shared my house with 8 other student. It was fun at times, but it causes tension and annoyance. After I graduated, I rented an apartment; I shared the block with 40 other inhabitants, and it also caused tension and annoyance (littering, noise, etc.). Now my wife and I bought a house. We live in a rural area, with no neighbours, lots of lebensraum. I love private property. Now, my life is stress free. That is my story why I do not like sharing. So kys, jewish socialist puppet.
>>544530361As opposed to having infinite own money?
>>544530361>Finite resources are finiteReally? I had no idea!
>>544525427>sharingOK, you first. gibs me dat
>stealing your money and giving it to jews/brownoids is just "sharing"
>>544525427It's a great system, until you run out of someone else's money.
I'm a National Socialist. I believe in sharing, but only if you look American.
>>544531754White people voted for it, and despite having guns you don't stop it so you want it
>>544525427>share with hoodlums and liberal arts students (who are the same btw)See Soveit collectivisation when Soveits made death squads out of lumpens to confiscate working men grain.
>>544530308Explain without Marxism why do you need socialism (note: capitalism with welfare income distribution aren't socialism).
>>544531986at least you're admitting that democracy is fake and the only real "representation" comes from an uprising.
>>544531918That's a bumper sticker, not an argument
>>544532093Why work if you can just spend other people money? Do you have money? Let's spend it on my needs!!!
>>544532073 Correct. But I think you're mistaken on what kind of uprising is coming
>>544531754What the fuck? Reparations? From who?
>>544525427>Sharing>Mandatory sharing
>>544532147You niggers already spend my money. You mostly spend the trillions we give you on bombing the middle of fucking nowhere.
>>544525427I'll share anything with my family and kids. Shitskins who want the government to rob me legally through taxes to fund white replacement can fuck off and go jump in a volcano. Same goes for queer faggot spending.>our speciesSocialists want to bring in the worst of the worst 3rd world trash to manipulate them into destroying western capitalism, no thanks. Human solidarity is a joke.>faceless shareholdersI work for a family-owned company.
>>544532148You won't do shit
>>544532210Me nah, I'm too busy working my shit job.But you see, the moment AI takes 1% of americans jobs, that will be 3.4 million starving and homeless people. And then it's going to be 7 million. Then 24 million. And I don't know if you've ever been hungry before, but you die after about 2 weeks. By day 10 you will be hazard to society. That's all it takes for a normal person to become a threat on your life, 10 days.
>>544532316obviously you haven't been hungry before since 2 weeks is not a very long time to not eat
>>544532407Kek. You hope they wait longer than that to lose their shit. Weaker means less dangerous.
>>544532407Yeah, I'd say 42 missed meals in a row is a long time. You'll start passing out when you stand before that.
>>544525427We are for National SocialismCan't share with shitskins.
>>544525427Hey dude I’m hungry can you buy me a pizza?
>>544533017You niggers can't even share with yourselves properly. Quit lying.
>>544533032Hey, if it wasn't 3:00 am, probably would
>>544525427>the solution to my problems is a cut of other people's shitContrary to how you're trying to present yourself, this is a profoundly selfish sentiment. Carry your own weight you worthless waste of space.
>>544533125You are the one being selfish when you reject socialism.It is the truth.If everyone is a rugged individualist then everyone starves to death and money gets concentrated in a few.
>>544533080Ofc we can, we had Marxist Socialism, but the economy failed.
>>544533194Actually when people are individualists, they cooperate voluntarily because the terms of cooperation benefit those involved.
>>544533207then why do I see homeless white people? Is it because no one made you save your own race yet?
>>544533238That assumption does not hold up these days.
>>544533194What communist thieves understand but downplay is that socialist cooperation is not beneficial to those involved, it only benefits a few, and those who are not benefiting from it have no way to refuse the deal being offered. It is a system that allows snakes, rats and parasites to steal from the good, hardworking, and fruitful
>sharing>jewish goons come and take your grain >then they execute you>and deport your family to Siberia to die of cold and hungerThat's your communism.
>>544533238The terms of cooperation these days is a roof over my head and food on my table. Anything less than that is a violation of terms
>>544533295>communist thievescut the sensationalist framingSocialist cooperation is obviously inherently beneficial to those involved. It's like a community potluck, everyone brings something to the potluck and everyone takes something out of it. It does not only benefit a few, not in any reasonably designed socialist system.
>>544533312Make whatever terms you want. It's none of my business. If you are providing enough value to justify those terms, someone will take your offer
>>544533295No, unionized jobs are some of the best jobs in america. Co-op is definitely preferable
>>544533347No socialist cooperation is INVOLUNTARY cooperation. That's the system you want. Obviously it benefits the few at the expense of the many
>>544533365Union membership is a voluntary grouping
>>544525427>it's not theft>I'm just sharing your propertyArguments like a 5 year old.
>>544525427I don’t want to share my money with the entire world. I don't have enough to get by or retire. Stop!
>>544533361>If you are providing enough value to justify those terms, someone will take your offerKek. If that were true, I wouldn't lean towards socialism as hard as I do. The reality is I provide a huge chunk of the labor for a 2.5 million dollar company and I ain't seeing a lot back. I'm not feeling this. "Provide value and someone will someday pay you a decent amount" shtick
>>544533420Kind of. There's union only industries.
>>544533394Grow up.Do you pay taxes? The answer is yes, we all do.The taxation is theft childish nonsense DOES NOT WORKWhile you cry about socialism's taxation being involuntary, you live under a republican government that allows corporations to tax the fuck out of you and cheat and connive you at every which way. Your priorities are completely fucking retarded. Pay attention. Corporations are fucking you. Corporations and tariffs are the reason groceries are so fucking expensive. Socialism is the cure to this disease.
>>544533445>i'm not getting paid enough so now i'm going to become a criminalthen you are a criminal
>>544525427Human history is full of examples of rational, liberal idealists organizing society, and utterly destroying the people.Austrian economics is the least harmful way.Socialism is at home in the family; it is NOT an extensible way of organizing economy between non-intimate relations.Libertarian political economy creates surpluses and technological innovation that allows you to run your intentional community cults, spiritual centers, and red diaper meetings in peace.ALL (no exceptions) of the modern boomers, gen X, millennials, and gen Z believe in utopian notions; they have no ways of improving society, no understanding of how to run things, and generally have the spirit of nihilism that Nietzsche and the fascist regimes had - the nihilism of destruction, where violence procreates the future. It is a satanic delusion.Socialism appeals to pride, and is a way of casting into law, an egalitarianism of outcome, which is self-defeating. Reality is the egalitarianism of the beginning, that all men are mortal. Having the DMV design the economy will prevent all egalitarianism and all production, simply because some disenchanted unfortunate left-behinds were too proud to ask for help.
>>544533475Giving your country away to parasites and thieves is not growing up it's growing stupid
>>544533480No, I'm not trying to seize the means yet. I'm still at the level where unionizing and utilizing democracy will yield what I want.Now after THAT fails, yeah, there's gonna be millions and millions of criminals seizing the means.
>>544533513Who is advocating for the open borders?Currently Donald Trump who is a Republican is the one letting in the Indians if that is really your biggest grievance. Stop supporting right wingers.
>>544532195But you still left some money. Give it me.
>>544533480Also, that's your first reply? You hear a guy tentatively provides over a million dollars of labor, isn't making his bills, and your very first reaction is to call him a criminal and defend the system that isn't working? Jeez
>>544533347>cut the sensationalist framing>Socialist cooperation is obviously inherently beneficial to those involvedTell this to Soveit peasants who lost their land and freedom during Soveit collectivisation, 70% of population turned from free land owning farmers back into fuedal serfs.
>>544533594Alright. It's in my pocket. Just reach in and keep feeling around till you find it.
>>544533513The worst parasites in the country are retired white boomers who believe young people should pay more taxes to keep their benefits funded while also demanding they themselves shouldn't have to pay property tax because that's like theft man. Unsurprisingly, they're also the ones who claim to be most opposed to socialism, which makes it abundantly clear it has nothing to do with opposition "feeding parasites" but just personal greed and avarice.Not even going to get into the other rightoid cope of pretending socialism only benefits evil brown invaders while most of rural white America is reliant on government assistance. Or how rightoids are perfectly fine with corporate socialism where the government raises taxes on you so rich kikes can pay less and your money can be sent to bail out corporations. No, socialism only bad when it pays for healthcare and education.
>>544532486I was talking about YOU communist thieves that will steal our money and give it to your partners in crime. On the topic of immigration, Trump has vastly decreased the number of H1Bs, which are temporary workers. -- so it is a completely unrelated point to anything; just your criminal mind trying to hide the ball
>>544533513100% this. Socialism is ironically the most anti-social way you could organize society; pointing a gun at the productive people to fuel the unaccountability of strangers (and even mass immigration often of freeloaders) is NOT something that's born out of conscience or sharing, it is born out of reprobation and the desire to mutilate your mother - to murder your neighbor.
>>544533475>The taxation is theftThe taxation is robbery actually.Theft is covert stealing.Robbery is taking possessions by threats and use of violence. That's taxation
>>544533667Keep that shit in the history books. We live in 2026 and we're not in fucking high school or a college class. Enough of your fucking moral appeals. You are ancap. Your mroals are shaky as fuck anyway. You know it's true.
Chinese Socialism works.
>>544533704I would happily point out why every single point you made is wrong and stupid if you would first prove that you are not merely a lying subhuman propaganda vomit factory, but I know already that you are.
>>544533777I accept your concession.
>>544533834Acceptance is agreement
>>544533730>just memoryhole how the real communism works
>>544533704You're talking a lot of sense. >your money can be sent to bail out corporationsWhat do you think the next corporate bail out situation looks like?
>>544533880How about we talk about the Americans starving and suffering today under failing libertarian/ancap policies instead of visiting the failures of the USSR?
>>544525427A lot of rightoids do share but with people they trust and respect, not some incompetent state that's prioritizing something on the other side of the globe. They prefer if they are empowered to make their life and those around them good rather than being fucked over to experiment with social programs that might or might not have some impact on some distant community.Socialism is a radical idea to have the state run the economy and much like dictatorships it puts a lot of emphasis on that state being competent and benevolent but even in that best case scenario you still have the problem of dealing with the institution of a dictatorship of the proletariat that can erode with no good self check mechanism.I'm a lib-left shithead but I hate head in the clouds socialists who's been huffing vibes and think the reason people don't want to embrace a violent revolution into an authoritarian state is because they've been brainwashed. Like yeah, lots of things in the world sucks but your answer is a joke that's psyop tier.
>>544533499This comes off like cult leader rhetoricAny other opinions on how this person is writing?
>>544534101>Socialism is a radical idea to have the state run the economyNo, socialism does not necessitate a centrally planned government. It can just be as subtle as ownership by the workers and emphasizing their well being over profits
>>544534221Most of the time when they say ownership of the workers they mean the state owns it but the state claims to work for the workers so there you go, dictatorship with worker vibes.Keep in mind I'm reacting to OP as socialism as the replacement for Capitalism, not the very basic ideology. I'm a social democrat.
>>544525427Most people are shitty and will take things forever.I have been in leftist groups and i provided until i learned most people will never provide. After i left the community collapsed. You won't gaslight my own experience.Fuck you, go die for niggers.
>>544534572>most people never provideThat's why government exists to tax their asses
