I'm amazed how Ukraine is seriously trying to play the genocide card when Ukrainians can obtain Russian citizenship through a simplified process while retaining their language and culture. Until 2025 you could literally give your kids an education with Ukrainian as the primary language and the only reason they got rid of that was because literally no one was using it.The problem is that the culture of modern Ukraine is not Ukrainian culture but the culture of Nazi collaborators covered by Cossacks larp. Authentic Ukrainian culture has literally been better preserved in Russia because it wasn't rewritten to satisfy neo-Nazis.
>>544538093shalom brother
>ukrainians say they don't want to be ruled by putin>but what nobody talks about is that's it's really easy to be ruled by putin>they have an easy solution to their problems and it's being ruled by putin>it's amazing that they don't accept this
>>544538283crazy how all those faces resemble an average low-testosterone NPC in the office
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>>544538361if they had been brave as the IDF heros things would be different
>>544538093it's amazing how slavs don't realize that jews on both sides are killing them to take their land
>>544538361post your face then
>>544538093how hard it is to take one fucking city 100 km away from your border, ie the capital where all the government is
>>544538625what use is occupying a nest of zelensky supporters, are austrians as retarded as poles?
>>544538539only after you post your credit card information, full address, and your sexual kinks>>544538625you forgot that the border belongs to Belarus
>>544538299Ukraine was better off under Russia
>>544538734>Belarusoh well im sure it can be arranged
>>544538093it's really not that "amazing", when goal of putin is deracination and destruction of culture, and taking all infrastructure and handing it to oligarchs while replacing the ruins with immigrants from india, afghan, central asia etc.
>>544538625>100 km away from your borderWe're talking about Putin not fucking Lukashenko you bloody monger.
>>544538817this outcome is still better than ukrainians winningi hate ukrainians more than africans/indians
>>544538853it sounds to me you spend to much time on internet and developed some psychosis
>>544538093WHY UKRANIANS COMPLAIN ABOUT RUSSIA? JUST BE RUSSIANS. DUMB UKRANIAN COMPLAINERS.
>>544538895they are already russians, every time they try to create any online non war related content in ukrainian they fail and just switch to russian after a while
>>544538895Well, they were Russians before the Bolsheviks transgendered them, they will never be a real a nation, as much as they pretend. Russia just wants its foreskin back.
>>544538895unironically true.
>>544538093I agree with you in such a meaning that russians are too retarded to make genocide intentionally. Things like Holodomor and Bucha happens not because they were planned, but because russians are sub 100 iq niggers. And im not sure that fact absolves them desu.
If Ukrainians are Russians, then why are you killing them? Has vodka completely incapacitated your brain?
>>544539118I don't know, if all your niggers and dunecoons are french, why are they burning your cities and killing you?
>>544539118its simply called agitprop. russian system was built by kgb agents (primakov for example). so they produce wide net of propaganda:- ukrainians are russians- ukrainains are nazis- ukrainians are jews- ukrainians are poles- ukrainians are americans- ukrainians are austriansetc. the point is not about accuracy or even a belief in what they claim, it is just point about creating as much chaos and confusion while they work to completely destroy something.this is, by the way, the foundation for all left-wing thought that exists as it was originated in soviet russia.
>be hohol >apply for simplified russian citizenship>get busified immediately after getting to russianice plan xd
>>544539173St. Pederburg looks like Padis this morning and you don't have niggers there (at least not in the numbers). Ignoring the UK flag because you're a vpn slav subhuman
>>544539193The point is about gaslighting
>>544539173excellent illustration of >>544539193he originally posted this >>544538990claiming that "they were Russians" (of course, any one living in central/east europe knows this is historical falsehood, but its not important to discussion here). , and yet 1 post later he is already claiming that the foreign migrants attacking france are not actually french people (which is, by the way, a correct statement). but he contradicts himself completely in his original post, claiming that "ukrainians are russians" while justifying russians bombing ukrainians. you see what i mean? the purpose of their agitprop is not about accuracy, its about creating as many chaotic contradictions as possible while pushing for singular goal of destruction.again, this is foundation for all left-wing political thought, which was crafted in soviet russia.
>>544539193>all left-wing thought that exists as it was originated in soviet russia.Imagine being so retarded from being raped by the USSR that you don't believe history exists before it. The absolute state of Pooland. My dear nigger, Russia is not the originator of Socialism, no matter what the USSR hammered into your brain with a dildo.
>>544538789Yeah definitely, like in the 30s when 13% of their population died.
>>544538093>le hecking nazirinos
>>544539314It's fucked up what the kulaks did, but Stalin made sure they got their comeuppance
>>544538093>while retaining their language and cultureWhy are you lying zigger?>they got rid of ityes, they literally banned the language directly contradicting your statement>the problem is the culture, muh heckin problematic nazis Ah there we go, mask off moment not even two sentences later kek
>>544539289The illustration becomes better with every post it makes. Look at this great quote he writes:>"you don't believe history exists before it"as reference to soviet union. this was of course, not my point whatsoever (reminder, he claimed that Bolsheviks invented "ukraine", after intentionally omitting much larger history of area, which anyone in central/east europe knows very well). So he already begins his statement with huge contradiction, by connecting ukraine exclusively with bolsheviks and then lying and claiming that my writing was framing conversation about being set in USSR.this was untrue, my point was that contemporary leftism and their agitprop was born in soviet russia. these people are not serious and you should never treat them seriously.
>>544539118because the war isnt about ethnic genocide?
>>544539255>Your own citizens cannot attack youOf course not. That would be totally impossible, right? The point you fail to understand is that they are retarded pigmen, like immigrants, except they are native. They are borderlanders, a muttified mixture of slav, balt, pole, turk, cossack etc, and this has created extreme retardation, like seen in muslims and hindus due to incest. Remember the videos of Ukrainians driving BMPs into rivers without preparing it first, because all they understood was "amphibious vehicle" rather than any actual degree of understanding? That is what they are, and why those men inside drowned , without ever understanding why they drowned. That is why they believed they could actually not only defeat Russia, but take land, and it is why their counteroffensives have failed. Western equipment is wasted on them.
>>544539374>this was untrue, my point was that contemporary leftism and their agitprop was born in soviet russia. these people are not serious and you should never treat them seriously.In fairness, your post was poorly worded... he did not engage in good faith with what you said though.
>>544539374>this was untrue, my point was that contemporary leftism and their agitprop was born in soviet russia. Its from jewish anarchists who migrated from Poland and Ukraine mainly before and after WW2
>>544539391of course it is. putin is disciple of Yevgeny finkelstein-primakov's "Primakov Doctrine", which is (to sum it up very quickly) a geopolitcal view about internationalist revaunchism. existence of a ukrainian state is direct contradiction to the system in russia federation, which claims a "united russia" (name of their own party) based on racial equality, multicultural society, etc. this is why they frame ukrainian as "nazi" to be "denazified"; to remove identity and replace it with an internationalist, global identity which is what is enforced within russia.
>>544539435This is complete non-sequitur. How does that address his point at all? Are these "Jewish Anarchists" not leaders in the Soviet Union? Did they come up with their ideas from Poland and Ukraine? Who exactly do you mean by Jewish Anarchists who migrated mainly before and after WW2?
>>544539374Let me again quote this retarda original post, as he tries to deflect from the retardation he posted:>this is, by the way, the foundation for all left-wing thought that exists as it was originated in soviet russia.>all left-wing thought that exists>as it was originated in soviet russia.
>>544539374>believes his country doesnt carry out propaganda /pol/ is a kindergarten
>>544539432At this point his post just falls into the usual nonsensical and hard to follow mess of cursing, ad homming, pseudo-history, and clear lack of even basic knowledge people in east and central europe know. i mean look at this statement as example:>They are borderlanders, a muttified mixture of slav, balt, pole, turk, cosskac, etc.which is already direct contradiction to his earlier post that they were russian. again, these are not serious people and you should not treat them seriously. they are agitprop liars, hysterically writing overly emotional contradictory nonsense to push their singular agenda which is destruction.
Why don't the Ukrainians decide who's boot they want to be under? For me, obviously western boot has better standards of living. >but muh faggotsContained in their zones outside of media propaganda>but muh immigrantsWhere did the 25% of population fifth column show up from?
Russia is a shithole
>>544539500He's Polish, man. There's no helping it, although it's at least one step above a Ukrainian on the intelligence ladder.
>>544539481correct, agitprop as weaponised tool of leftism is product of soviet russian intelligence, which is foundation for all leftist ideology that exists in current world. all based entirely on:-weaponisation of a community's own values against itself-weaponisation of a community's own identity against itself ("there is no such thing as an englander", etc)-use of concept of morality against a community (while not believing in morality at all)i could go on, but the point remains exact same at every moment.
>>544539525>Russian citizen >Which it tries to conflate into a genetic identity This is the worst quality shilling I've ever seen. Genetics =/= nationality. If this is what NATO spends taxes on, we should all apply for a refund. I prefer the UKRAINE IS WHITE NATIONALIST FRONTLINE AGAINST BOLSHEVIKS shills.
>>544539477Stalin banned synagogues and killed all the jews in the USSR >Who exactly do you mean by Jewish Anarchists who migrated mainly before and after WW2?Emma Goldman, Volin and Sam DolgoffAntifa is primarily anarchists too
>>544538093Isn't Ukrainian just a redneck version of Russian anyway? It's like saying a Kentucky accent is a different language than English.
>>544539635i am going to be honest, i have no idea what you are trying to say in this post. you went from "they were originally russians" to "well they were collection of various people" to now writing "race ("genetics") is not nationality" and then something about NATO.
>>544539642>Stalin banned synagogues and killed all the jews in the USSRthis is why i wrote earlier that none of these people are serious and you should not treat them seriously.
>>544539622>this is, by the way, the foundation for all left-wing thought that exists as it was originated in soviet russia.>ALL>left-wing thought that exists>originated in soviet russia.So uh, all the socialist philosophy from the west that existed for over a century before the USSR that the USSR blatantly stole? That was just the USSR travelling back in time, to plant the seeds that led to the USSR? We're in the Red Alert timeline lads. This is the content of the Polish mind. No wonder they're afraid of Russia, because they deny reality.
>>544539686>i have no idea what you are trying to say in this postOf course you don't, you've shown you're a retard. If you can't observe with your eyes that Russia is full of different genetic lineage, it wouldn't surprise me. Some are Mongols, some are Asiatic, some and retarded borderland pigmen. It's no surprise you can't understand that all those people are "Russian" but virtue of living within the Russian federation.
>>544539735correct. you can see the same exact pattern of agitprop weaponised in every application of left wing thought, which was modeled in soviet russia as part of their hybrid war against the community they were trying to undermine and destroy. >socialist philosophy from the westidle writing of social deadbeats/drifters/opportunists that never manifested into anything serious until it was used as weapon by soviet russia, extending into bolshevik revolution against the established tsaris order and then continuing on into the war against Poland in 1919-1920 and culminating in its eventual dissolution in late 80s early 90s. the imprint it left behind of course continued.the rest of your post is just more nonsense. and all of it is getting away from the original point you tried to make (another classic use of agitprop, when pressed you try and change the conversation further).
>>544539709He's American you mong. He's probably never even heard of the Jewish Autonomous Oblast.
>>544539809>Russia is full of different genetic lineage>this is why everyone is in fact Russianam i understanding your position correctly? i did already mention that angle of agitprop in earlier post: >>544539467
>>54453964290% of the bolsheviks were jewish, source: jewish encyclopedia. Stalin was a Georgian jew, Marx, Engels all were jews. Most modern Antifa is propped Up and Controlled by Israel (at least in göymanie). Stop Posting idiot
>>544538093ukrainese internet force, maybe you should use that pic, she went to vodka land and told the truth of that lie
ITT: britbong getting humiliated and intellectually outclassed by smart pole (this is the first time I'm writing this sentence)
>>544539827Are you going to actually address your original claim or just constantly deflect away from it by talking about agitprop? Although of course, we know how the kike argues, and deflection and changing the subject to a narrower area is the default, because the original claim is obviously ridiculous and incorrect, so it is reframed.>this is, by the way, the foundation for all left-wing thought that exists as it was originated in soviet russia.>ALL>left-wing thought that exists>originated in soviet russia
>>544538283Jewkraine
>>544539855What is citizenship?What are genetics?What is an Empire?Don't even try to claim Russia isn't full of various degrees of churkas, if nothing else we've seen exactly how many of them there are in Ukrainian drone videos. I didn't even mention the Yukuts earlier, so there's another one to throw in the barrel.
>>544539933He's perfectly consistent if by "exists" he means "is used currently in politics rather than just existing in history books". By that metric yes, all modern leftist thought in use today has its origins in the Soviet Union.
>>544539933i dont understand what you are debating against. here is my post >>544539193and my response to your first claim that ukrainian were originally russian >>544539255agitprop is the weapon i brought up, because it is what you are engaging in. you are trying to make this into some circular conversation which does not interest me. your claim did not survive your own writing, ironically enough.
>>544540022>i dont understand I have repeatedly quoted your words. Every time.>this is, by the way, the foundation for all left-wing thought that exists as it was originated in soviet russia.>all left-wing thought that exists>as it was originated in soviet russia.>>544540013That would be true, but that is not what he is actually saying, and not refusing to address that point.
>>544540001again, i wrote already about this >>544539467if you can claim anyone is eligble as russian, then it fits within the Primakov Doctrine, which is what Putin is disciple of. if being "russian" is simple a defintion of citizenship then of course we know that ukrainians are not russians. >>544540013I was under impression I did not need to explain I clearly do not reference period of French Revolution, but this was my mistake.
>>544540112the circle continues. soviet russia is progenitor of left-wing thought that exists, and which we see playing out across western world. the same line of "reasoning", the same chaotic assembly of contradictory claims, with same overall ideological goal: destruction of a specific order/community, its subversion, and eventual replacement.
>>544539879>90% of the bolsheviks were jewishSource: The CIA>Stalin was a Georgian jew, Marx, Engels all were jews. Source: The CIA>Most modern Antifa is propped Up and Controlled by Israel (at least in göymanie). Source: The CIA
>>544539850>Jewish Autnomous OblastWhich was essentially a frozen tundra death camp for jews kek
>>544539642...thats why lend-lease was pushed by the jews in State Department, thats why jews leaked nuclear secrets to USSR, thats why Stalin helped to establish Israel. You lost tranny.
>>544540132>ukrainians are not russians.I mean, sure. They're not Russian. Like Catalonians aren't Spanish, or Sicilians aren't Italian.
>>544540355Ah, wait, i forgot im talking with a vpn-rusnigga.
>>544540246Doesn't a nigger wish it was, there would be a lot of less of them if they had all died. The USSR provided power and heat though. It was, however, a containment zone.
>>544539374>he claimed that Bolsheviks invented "ukraine", after intentionally omitting much larger history of area, which anyone in central/east europe knows very wellYou claim that Ukrainians as a people have existed for thousands of years, yet the term “Ukrainians” itself is recorded as a stable self-designation only from the 17th century. This is the classic paradox of “a nation without a name.”The overwhelming majority of historians (including many Ukrainian ones) acknowledge that in the 9th–13th centuries, on the basis of the East Slavic tribes, a single Old Rus’ nationality formed, which became the ancestor of all three modern peoples. The modern Russian, Ukrainian, and Belarusian ethnic groups formed later, roughly in the 14th–17th centuries, as a result of the disintegration of that single community under the influence of different political centers.The first written mention of the word “Ukrainians” (in 1596) referred... to Polish szlachta and mercenaries in the eastern borderlands of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Only in 1657 was it first applied to the local population. So even the path from “Ukrainian Poles” to “Ukrainian East Slavs” took several decades.
>>544540389Don't be dumb, that's just American retardation at work, lol.
>>544540471No, the guy always praising Stalin and kvetching about yidmany/goymany is a russian tranny, his vpn goes off from time to time and you could see his real flag.
>>544539467>and replace it with an internationalist, global identity which is what is enforced within russia.No wonder ukrops are genuinely insane, guys post horrible attrocities beyond my comprehension and are proud of thatI can’t wait for them to be deported back to some rump state in Ukraine after the war is over, enough freeloading
>>544540190>soviet russia is progenitor of left-wing thoughtSee, the key change it has made here: It no longer claims it is >all left-wing thought that existsBut simply that left wing thought exists that originated in Soviet Russia, making a now correct claim instead, but changing the claim retroactively. This is a cover for its retardation and historical ignorance.
>>544540432>You claim that Ukrainians as a people have existed for thousands of yearsWhere exactly did anyone in this thread say that?
>>544540579Those are different people
>>544538093putin has appeared on tv to explain that ukraine doesn't really have a legitimate existence as a country. There's no debate here.
>>544540579That's pretty gay. >>544540610Tymbark is unironically pretty enjoyable. Ukrops have been totally mindfucked at this point. There's probably little chance of them living a healthy life at this point, I daresay the average Russian storm Z soldier is much the same too though.
>>544540640They constantly assert exactly this. The saddest thing is that Ukrainians are literally sitting on a barrel of gold, yet at the same time they are poor, dirty, constantly lie, and beg for alms - this is the result of 30 years of independence. The poorest country in Europe.
>>544540641Thanks for proving my point.
>>544538299>we don't want to be ruled by putin>instead, we're ruled by putin's mini-methis objection would make a lot more sense if they had a government worth defending instead of the exact same kind of post-soviet shithole oligarchy
>>544540767>TheyWhy don't you cite who "they" are anon, I'm not going to chase down whatever strawman bogeyman you're complaining about
>>544540767>The poorest country in Europe.That's pushing it a little, but poorest compared to it's landmass quite possibly. They were absolutely handed a real bounty at the collapse of the USSR, but somehow actually managed to be both more incompetent and more corrupt than Russia. Arguably that's worthy of some recognition, it's impressive, if not in a good way. Like imagine not being able to even sell your Soviet military equipment to Africa or the ME. That takes real incompetence.
>>544538093>culture of Nazi collaboratorsSounds based
>>544539314Well No shit Jews cause another world war.
russians are a subhuman race
>>544538789Dude, top image is not Ukraine, it is Kalinin Prospekt in Moscow, Russian SFSR, and photo was made in 1977. Today it is New Arbat Avenue.
>>544540355Jew stole the secrets for Israel, kike shill.Everything about Russian involvement is jewish propaganda
