There are no right wing solutions to the demographic problem. A 1,5 fertility rate means that each generation is 25% smaller than the previous one. This makes every subsequent generation less productive than the previous because theres more resources spent towards elderly care. The entire system would collapse without intervention. Now what are the possibilities? You can either increase immigration, which right wingers oppose because of racism, or subsidize childbirth, which they oppose because it's welfare which they think is le communism. The fact is that it's either or, and when faced with the hard choice most right wingers choose immigration because it's way cheaper and undercuts labor costs, which sits well with their corporate overlords. This is why right wingers will never oppose immigration.
>>544547716The solution has always been to ban birth control>birth>controlIts almost like its in the name.
>>544547716There's a very easy one, it's called revoking women's right to vote.
>>544547716white countries would automatically have higher birthrates by beinghigh trust white societieswhites already have the highest birthrateeven under jewish multiculturalism at white people’s expense in white countries
>>544547791>ban birth controlSo ban women's voting rights is what you're trying to say. There will be a dozen conservatives who will dance around the problem, and that we need to ban the symptoms and side effects but not the root cause which is women's rights.
>>544547791>>544547798both importantbut we need our white countries back firstif we are flooded with beaners or jeets or niggers or sandniggersall of these other things are just small potatoeswhen the farm has a bug infestation
>white countries would automaticallyThat doesn't answer OPs question at all. It's not even a coherent sentence really.
>>544547863>but we need our white countries back firstExactly, so we must ban women's right to vote.
>>544547716>demographic problemonly a problem if you let in immigrants>elderly carethrow them facilities managed by AI bots.
>>544547849additionally jews cannot be allowed in or to influence these same countriesthen you will see white homogonous countries at like5 births per woman plus
>>544547902>only a problem if you let in immigrants>>544547830>There will be a dozen conservatives who will dance around the problem, and that we need to ban the symptoms and side effects but not the root cause which is women's rights.
>>544547901correct but if you dont have homogenous white land it doesnt matter
We are so far left now that you don't even know what far right is. Of course there are right wing solutions. The right wing solution is to take away women's rights and make them be wives and mothers again. This is trivially easy for a country with the will to do it. The earlier a woman becomes a mother the higher her TFR is.
>>544547910>additionally jews cannot be allowed in or to influence these same countriesOkay so how are we going to ban women's right to vote then? Or will you just pretend that I've never said this and continue to babble to yourself?
>>544547716>the solution to the west's demographics problem is to completely replace its demographics with the global southThat us fucking retarded to anyone who isn't a rootless cosmopolitan jew or jew-adjacent. So you're probably right in the sense that our conservative party will only give lip service to it at best.
>>544547932It's like I said earlier, conservatives will never admit that the root cause is women's rights. The reason why we don't have White countries is because of women's rights. If you want to ship all the foreigners back, you're going to have to get rid of women's rights first.
>>544547957you just ban them after doing what i saidyou also ban them from any kind of special priviledgeslike divorce rape or favorability in hiring oe scholarship
>>544547716>This makes every subsequent generation less productive than the previous because theres more resources spent towards elderly care.We have robots and AI now.
>>544547980the root cause is jewswhites when left to their own devices sort this shit outunder the influence of jews and other shitskinswe get modernity
>>544547716Not my problem.
>>544548009>you just ban them after doing what i saidWrong, revoking women's rights has to come first. The fact that you won't accept this is why the problem will never be fixed and why it's currently getting worse and worse. Most conservatives are total simps and don't want to admit the problem.
>>544547798Woman would Let the race go extint, they would kill their unwanted children, Its happening, revoking their vote would make It worse, this are not submissive trad woman.
>>544548045All right. Have fun watching your country. Continue to turn browner. I tried to tell you how to fix it but you don't want to listen cuz you're a simp. And this is where you'll call me a jew because I'm not knee-jerk reacting and deflecting blame away from women on to jews. Both play a role, but women's right to vote is the root cause. Even the jewish Central bankers need female spending habits to maintain their wealth.
>>544548080>DUR HUR REVOKE WOMENS RIGHTS SO A SHITSKIN CAN OWN A WHITE WOMANfuck off sandeepyou are all going back first
>>544547791>>544547798yikes. you certainly won't be breeding anytime soon, incels >>544547824>whites already have the highest birthratenot true unless you look at some extremely specific populations like the amish>>544547902>only a problem if you let in immigrantsit's a huge problem even in countries that don't let in immigrants. even more so as a fact since there is no immigrant labor to alleviate it
>>544547830Absolutely. But it will never happen. Females would rather reduce civilization to one big favela than collectively support male leadership again. Their opinions ultimately do not matter, but they do when a large enough mass of simps obey their every wish. Every time I've brought this sort of thing up IRL, all women are against it and roughly half of men. Things have to be bad enough for those men to see things our way, so we have a ways to go.
>>544548143fuck off memeflag its 100% jewjews and other shitskins out of white countries
>>544548141>>544547716Here it is, OP. Right wingers have no solution because they have too many women in their movement subverting them from the inside.
>>544547716Or you could rip out liberalism. Due away with abortion, tranny propeganda, feminism and the rest of the social rot that created this all in the first place. Re instate patriarchy. Then the birth rate will skyrocket into stability. Then, deport all migrants and foreign peoples. Then we will get paid fairly and can repair and rebuild communities. Nationalise the banks. Kick out jewsTa dah! Fixed
>>544548145Right, so it's completely pointless talking to conservatives or right-wingers, or even considering yourself right-wing or left-wing, because both sides are feminist, which means both sides are actually leftist. You can see them in this thread even. They're pulling out the Communist debate tactics.
>>544548176i agreed with you earlier sandeeprevoke womens rightsand removing jews and other shitskins fromwhite landsyou will not own a white woman while scamming the govtyou are going back before womens rights are revoked
>>544548189>dueDo away with*
>>544547716>There are no right wing solutions to the demographic problem.>Women in kitchens cooking food>Women in beds being bred>No more women in the workforce>Workforce is halved. Men have to be paid double>The Jews know this. That's why they push feminism so hard. It kills civilizations Incorrect faggot. The exact solution is right wing>>544547830The womens rights experiment needs to come to an end. With the power they were allowed to have, they promptly immigrationmaxxed every country because after 100 years of being protected from brownoids, women think you can just say "no" and they will stop fucking you. Kek
>>544548189>Or you could rip out liberalism. Due away with abortion, tranny propeganda, feminism and the rest of the social rot>>544547830>There will be a dozen conservatives who will dance around the problem, and that we need to ban the symptoms and side effects but not the root cause which is women's rights.This is how the rest of the thread will go. Right, wingers and left-wingers are exactly the same.
>>544548143Reread,>birth>controlWhat does it control? BIRTHSSSSS
>>544548310China did this and they got baddly fucked, civilians started to kill their female babies because males had more future for them, birth control has been debunked
>>544548243They are two sides of the same clipped coin, yes. I don't understand why its so hard for people to understand their party is a controlled fabrication and only approved "controversies" are allowed. Both pipes lead to the same sewer and the solution lies outside of a political program. Unfortunately we are the people that history books refer to during periods of decline and corruption, where "times were challenging for the people in those days"
>>544548143>even more so as a fact since there is no immigrant labor to alleviate itThat's why elderly get thrown into AI facilities.
>>544547716Fertility rate is low because people are either disconnected or see no purpose to bring a new life in this piece of shit world. Improve their life and they will reproduce, simple.
>>544548569This, but with kikes thats imposible
>>544547716>There are no right wing solutions to the demographic problem. A 1,5 fertility rate means that each generation is 25% smaller than the previous oneThe rightwing solution is to understand statistics and natural selection1,5 fertility overall does not last forever since those that breed most obviously have greater than 1.5 fertility, and those who fail to breed at all disappear
>>544547716Actually we do?Literally just reducing immigrants drops foid, energy and especially housing prices like bricks, making child raising a lot less arduous.And if the elderly complain they can be put to work helping to raise the kids.
lmao. the solution is fixing the money. immigration only happens because the money is broken, those kikes devalued so much life, time, and work that creators don't procreate.
>>544548285My sister is nearly 32 years old, has a 2 year old son and can't even cook for him. She came over today to visit because she knew I would make him dinner. I went and pulled a beetroot and some green beans and spuds and steamed them up. It's the only decent food the poor kid ever gets. I'm buying her a cook book for her birthday. Fucking disgrace. She says she doesn't know how to cook but she dated a woman beater a decade ago and her life was like Woman Simulator and would have the dinner ready on the table for him when he got home. I remember. It is just laziness and self entitlement
>>544548655The 'demographic problem' of having a lower than 2.1 birthrate is only a problem if you are simultaneously flooding your country with niggers who are trying to kill you. Since obviously, you need young and fit children to kill the niggers
>>544548476Are you referring to their one child policy? No shit theyre going to just want boys if theyre limited in how many kids they can have. These are two different things and I am not advocating a one child policy. Birth control becoming mainstream in the US aligns perfectly with when birth rates took a downturn.
so there is a group/entity comprised of jews, masons, bankers, working against the good of creation, they taint the transformation of the soul by tainting the world it is occurring. evolution is just energy transformation after all, and all energy transformation follows the same rules, it was all created you see. we have been trapped inside, the way out is by creating a world without the zero sum and negative sum and deception/lies of this one we are in the truth quite literally sets mankind free. the free will man is given to create a plus sum world is inverted to create a zero sum, negative sum world using currency as a weapon. nature creates life, and it is inherently plus sum, native americans for example had a better understanding than Europeans about this concept. right, so this entity created abrahamic religions to create ideological and spiritual slaves to jews, and they inverted the bible and all that jewish nonsense to enslave instead of empower the human spirit and soul, the cross is actually a plus. over the last 2000 years the main entity that has left a trail has always been the bank through it's currency issuance, nations, empires fall but the bank continues, after all what is currency without slaves to consume it. the american revolution was about this entity getting their own slaves to print against, of course it took until the 1900s to fully accomplish this with the federal reserve being created, and the 1970s to completely trick the world into debt slavery. the debt unit, fiat currency devalues work, time, life. it might be hard for the american to cope with the fact that they are nothing but their foreskin farm and cattle to print against. you see the masons brought slaves, and then freed them, from the banks point of view they need cattle to print against, because they sure as fuck weren't going to be able to move the kingdoms of england, spain, etc... Elon, Trump, US Gov, enleague with them, their agenda is evil.
>>544547716The solution is simple >Make out of wedlock fornication a crime>Make infidelity a crime >Make any forms of harems a crime, monogamy is the law>Remove the working and voting rights of women>Make divorce a crime>Make birth control illegal unless it's in a scenario of a rape victim>Abortion is illegal unless it's due to rape, or a downie/other retard kind of baby>Kill all Jews and Niggers to Apefrica>Deport Jeets and anyone with a high Amerindian admixtureThat's a very right wing and despotic answer that would work but no one has the balls or power
>>544548068>I want to be a degenerate beast folk (AKA a nigger) living among humans: the animeGee I wonder who is pushing this?Ah, it's jewflix, good goyim.
>>544547716less people would mean the cost of living would go down and the quality of life would increase.
>>544547716ull never convince these trad retards of anything cause theyll reference past events like the black plague or shit like that cause theyre just silly people who really treat politics as a hobby, like some retarded kick boxer who always has TO BE A MAN bro, WE JUST HAVE TO FOLLOW THE PLAN BRO. i cant wait till i see you guys getting droned after ur drafted
Immigration is only a short term solution since all the countries of the world save for weirdos like Nigeria have sub-2 birth rate.
>>544547716>The conservatives are fools: They whine about the decay of traditional values, yet they enthusiastically support technological progress and economic growth. Apparently it never occurs to them that you can't make rapid, drastic changes in the technology and the economy of a society without causing rapid changes in all other aspects of the society as well, and that such rapid changes inevitably break down traditional values.Subsidizing births won't work if you still live in an urban technological society.The only countries with high birthrates practice subsistence agriculture and have no welfare state to speak of.Why? Because you need lots of kids to work on your farm and be your retirement plan. That's the only reason the average person has lots of kids. Religious/ideological zealots have lots of kids too but they'll always be a minority they won't change the demographics.
>>544547716>There are no right wing solutions to the demographic problem.what about fucking?
>>544547716The solution is to turn white people into elves.
>>544547716False dichotomy. How on earth do you not know that we aren’t laissez-faire capitalists? At least not most of us. Are you that stuck in partisan red team blue team mindset? Do you think we have to adopt every single right wing position just because we are nationalists?
>>544549049That person will never convince us because it’s a false dichotomy. I don’t have to support nationalism/family values AND Reaganomics. That’s putting an arbitrary binary choice on me when I can just support nationalism/social conservatism and some center left economics. That was always a choice. And there are people rising up within the Republican Party right now that hold those views in 20 years the party will be a nationalist populist party based on all the zoos that are radicalized in joining institutions right nowThis is about the survival of the nation that we live in and not passing our kids and grandkids a pile of shit, not a hobby.
Step 1. Women's rights are drastically curtailed. Step 2. Women in the workplace is drastically rolled back.Step 3. Regulate the housing market so gigantic investment groups cant own all the land and drive up housing prices. If need be seize the land especially if it's foreign owned. Step 4. Offer governmental loans to buy houses but only for newlyweds.Step 5. Remove brown people.Step 6. Watch as the demographic crisis turns around almost overnight. The main key is women. At present they have too many options besides marriage and all of them are disastrous for society. You could keep their rights and workplace but you'd need to heavily propagandize them towards marriage and children.
>>544549600Just read Thomas Carlyle. He was a 19th century British reactionary and complained capitalism itself was a revolutionary ideology because it replaced the traditional social bonds and obligations with economic exchange. "The cash payment nexus" he called it.Or Julius Evola on how capitalism breaks down traditional social structures which paves the way for socialism/communism to present itself as a false solution to recover what was lost to capitalism.It's actually the greatest trick the American "right" pulled - to get the public to associate "the right" with free market economics above all else
>You can either increase immigrationEven productive immigrants don't have significantly higher birth rates, and they still get old and start claiming pensions, health care, etc. themselves. All that does is delay the problem by 30 years.>or subsidize childbirth,Poland and Hungary have been trying that for a decade, and it hasn't helped.There actually isn't a magic 'Fix Everything' button
>>544549600i agree theres going to be more and more of you absolute retards who believe in an outdated world view that wont even come close to yielding solutions, totally agree. your views wont take control of the global supply chain, wont curb hypergamy etc etc. we live in a different world you balding idiot, here is an actual potential systematic solution that actually follows todays technological trends instead of being retarded:https://incels.is/threads/male-separatism-and-post-female-society.876268/#post-24615099
>>544547716>>544547791Demographics are child's play. It's really the difference between those who understand not only politics but also culture and [White] people and those who either pretend or only get some of it.Right now society is hopelessly kiked.Changing something for the better is by definition almost impossible because the jew has set up everything so he can >continue to rule>enlarge his israel project>squeeze and abuse the goyimIn other words, how would it even be possible to improve conditions if the above is true? An analogy:>an ancient Aryan traveler passed through a kingdom of great former beauty. Things weren't good anymore. Mere existance felt as if living through a dark spell: Daily labour was done under great duress, food tasted like blood and most children died before the family managed to celebrate their first birthday.>When asked for advice, the traveler asked:>"Why not stop flagellating yourself in front of the jew cross three times a day?"the goyim answered confused:>"This has been our most holy tradition since '45, we must scourge our backs, thighs and private parts three times in order to honor the great sky rabbi, the holocaust and israel; we can never part with what we consider the sovl or Europe">"okidoke" said the traveler and departed hastilyOnce White people are in charge who love their fellow Whites, births would skyrocket. It's the easiest thing in the world, at least from the POV of pure politics.
>>544549948Increasing immigration is a meme anyway as there's fewer and fewer countries around the world with a surplus fertility rate anyway, even Africa and India are drastically going down.It's literally a zero sum game and even on a "we're all 1 race the human race" meme viewpoint you'll be facing the barrel real quick.The simple answers resolve around reasonable transfers of wealth and opportunity, as well as curing the toxic (white)man-hate centric society of today... So they will never happen.
>>544547716Immigrants tend to be net drains on the government, they don't fund anything. You can get around this with more stringent requirements for immigrants, but then you won't have enough of them either. The US is an exception to this only because our government does fuck all for us.We can see with France how this plays out in Europe. Decades of replacement migration led to a debt crisis, so their government wants to cut services (notably education) to reduce their deficit. This led to riots, with the New French demanding that cuts come from elderly pensions and not their benefits.They aren't helping with elderly care, they're trying to end it entirely.
>>544549744Step 1 - hopefully the simps and women vote again their best interests (good solution retard)Step 2 - hopefully they vote for step 1 so we can get to step 2. again really thought that one through retardStep 3: hopefully the boomers and corporations will vote again their best interretsStep 4: just print more money will solve the problemetc etc like are you retarded on purpose?
>>544547791fippy bippy by a long shot.
>>544547716>>5445481432pbtid retard memeflaggotmany such cases
>>544547798This would also do it. Men dot want to reproduce when the spiritually feel like they have no home or country, inviting immigrants drives down reproduction rate for ALL eventually.
>>544548143>Specific populations like the homogenous communities that are nigger/jeet/Jew/spic-free. Disingenuous, jewishly so.
>>544547716Or close borders and have robots do work
>>544547791FPBP, possibly the most FPBP of all time
>>544550258>>women's rights are drastically curtailed >hurrrrr women still have da rite to vote and will vote themselves voting rights again!You can't read can you? I am not even going to bother with the rest of your response.
>>544550709dont, ull just be retarded more and express fantasies instead of actual solution so you should stfu
>>544547716>tranime avatarfaggingYWNBAW
>>544550258We need to do away with the notion and universal suffrage democracy is some inherent good.It's just become an exercise in oligarchs manipulating the ignorant masses with sound bytes and demogoguery
A falling birthrate can eventually recover. People doomerpost about Europe going to population numbers it had in the 60s which by that point in history were the highest they had ever been.>>544547798You will just get the conservatives into power again who are notorious for not actually conserving anything. You are a moderate nigger.Restricting who can actually run for political office would be a far better option. Then again democracy is a meme anyway.We unironically need dictatorships.
>>544547716World would be better if humanity downsized to 10-100mln people. i do not see a problem. Fuck old people if you did not prep enough money and kids for your old life it is not my problem. Useless bastards should not even vote.
>>544547716I don't want more people, I want to kill you and everyone like you, you make me sick.
>>544548761>muh gdp immigrants is good for economylmfaothats just a cover story for replacing whitesmulticulturalism IS white genocidenever forget that
>>544551096children, like women, are liabilities in this age
>>544547791Never ever going to happen, you know that so you're copping out of the legitimate problem at hand.>>544550445>>544550549You are retarded. Consider the following>Ban every car that isn't a T-Model fordDoes this sound like a feasible government policy to you? No, it doesn't.
>>544547716Rape. The answer has always been rape and violence.
>>544547716the right wing solution to the fertility crisis is to lower taxes, so people have more money, and they can afford to have children.
>>544551333Demoralizer
>>544547716>There are no authoritanian solutions to the demographic problemlmao k
>>544551381Lots of things don't sound like feasible government policies until they are forced to happen.
>>544548707>just reducing immigrantsyeah as if that's ever going to happen kek
>>544547716>jews stop importing white peopel from europe>there's absolutely NO way you could increase white birthratesdumbass kike, yeah well, importing browns WAS higher on the priority list, but I don't think anyone actually likes that now
>>544547716>There are no right wing solutions to any problem.FTFY
>>544547716>memeflaggot>abhorrant garbageLike peanutbutter and chocolate
>>544552787it had a mental breakdown and now wants to be taken seriously, weird how all these creatures follow the same process
>>544547716The Industrial Revolution and the creation of modernity by white Europeans took place with a fraction of today’s population. Just kill yourself shill.
>>544551511>i should walk over a mine field, because if i dont, someone will accuse me of being a cowardgood luck with that
>>544547716The solution is left wing and already being implemented. Low TFR means a demand side collapse for all thirdie labor which will collapse their populations. The right cries, postures and does nothing. The left is setting up billions to die.
>>544553033You mean the domestication of white Europeans. You're being killed off as part of the fourth leg of the industrial revolution because you won't do shit.
>>544547716That part is actually correct. You see more beaners in red states than they'd ever admit and there's next to no effort to remove those ones.
>>544547716>A 1,5 fertility rate means that each generation is 25% smaller than the previous oneWouldn't that just mean that both consumption and production would decrease until at some point population would increase again? I mean yeah, it's not the best, but n00mbers don't always have to go up and this downslope doesn't mean we have to import subhuman mongrels who will cause more problems than good, including muddying our gene pool with their inferior taint?
>>544547716>or subsidize childbirth, which they opposeHm?
>>544554533Pretty much. The thing is number on the economy must always go up and and the pyramid must always pyramid.
>>544548143enjoy negative rates idiot
>>544547716Make stakeholders illegal. Fake money line go up nonsense destroys attempts at long term stability.
>>544547716>or subsidize childbirthOr, hear this out: tax rate of 25% on married working women's income, and 50% on single working women's income, and hand it to men as UBI. Also any mother/child welfare program payments must be paid to her man (not father, not brother, only her man). There may be some exception granted to legitimate widows to prevent jumping from the 25% to 50% tax bracket, but welfare/UBI must only go to men. All female-initiated no fault divorces are male-take-all.This makes most men attractive to most women again, and ensures feminism and lesbianism results in a life of hard work and poverty. You break the chad chasing using economic incentives.
>>544547716>>544558798Addendum:You cannot purely pay women more money for births. The money must go to their men aka children's fathers. Paying women directly still leaves the chad chasing barn door open and births will barely budge. You MUST make most women need most men again or the program fails. No we don't need to RETVRN TO GOD or other retarded crap; we just need sexist tax and welfare policies which favor men so hard that women will need to woo those men in order to get their nails done and buy their knick-knacks and such. Also a wealth tax should be applied to high net worth women.
>>544559042And abolish DEI. If anything, men should be favored in college admissions and hiring so they can get careers and make enough money to support a household.
>>544548141Simp.
>>5445481430/8kys
>>544558798>>544559042>post actual solution>thread abandonedTypical.
